DC2 VTiR Flywheel weight

[Shraka]

I've been driving my Integra VTiR for about 8 months (ish) now, and I only have a few minor complaints about it. All and all I think it was a good purchase.

But, is it just me, or does the flywheel feel like it's made of lead? It just feels so heavy. I lift off, and the damned revs stay up for ages! And it doesn't wined down nicely when I lift off throttle, and I really have to push hard to blip the throttle if I'm downshifting...

How heavy is the VTiR Flywheel? Anyone else feel like the fly is really letting the whole party down in their VTiR?

[tinkerbell]

no, i think it is just you...

[T-onedc2]

Yep it's just you! lol:p

At first I found blipping the throttle a little too much of a stretch but now I wouldn't have it any other way, it's perfect for heel toe even when going relatively easy on the brake pedal.

[ginganggooly]

i felt exactly the same about the stock flywheel in the vti-r. yet again, proof that the car was designed for hairdressers.

you'll probably love the feel of a lighter unit when you get around to changing it :)

[T-onedc2]

i felt exactly the same about the stock flywheel in the vti-r. yet again, proof that the car was designed for hairdressers.

you'll probably love the feel of a lighter unit when you get around to changing it :)
More like proof that it's not designed to be a race car, the only cars in the same 2 door market segment which can be considered tougher are the ITR(DC2) and S14, and the S14 barely by a whisker in stock form. A lighter flywheel will make affect driveability slightly but it's up the the individual.

[Shraka]

Well, I went from a Excel which had a heavy arse flywheel, to a 1992 CB, carby powerd 12 valve 1.5ltr Lancer, which had a MUCH lighter flywheel, to the Integra, which is back to a heavy (ish) flywheel again. I must say, I MUCH prefer the flywheel in the Lancer.

When you came off the throttle the Lancer's engine could instantly grab the car and start slowing it down. In the Integra, I let off and the engine revs just stay way up there.
When I wanted to shift quickly in the CB, I'd snap the next gear, and between shifts, the engine revs would drop dramatically. In the DC2, I shift, and it gets into the next gear before the revs have dropped more than about 200rpm, then the damn thing surges as I drop the clutch!
In the lancer, I'd barely feather the clutch and the revs would jump, making heel-toeing on the way down so easy. In the DC2, I have to plant my heel into the firewall and hold it there for the revs to build. Makes downshifting slower. And then once it gets into gear, it tends to surge a little, meaning I have to use more brake at that point.

Although, having said that, I love my DC2. The ONLY other complaints are:
- It's a bit small for me (the seat and steering wheel reach mainly)
- The suspension is a bit soft (but what do you expect from a stock car, right?)

And even with the soft suspension the DC2 can keep up with all sorts of things in the corners. It's surprising when in a corner someone with rock hard coilovers can only JUST keep up with my sloppy factory suspension.

[fly_vti]

yeah i have a vtir and it does feel sluggish when it comes to the flywheel.

[Shraka]

Anyone know how the Type R compares in flywheel weight?

[1900-hustler]

type r flywheel is around 7.1kg..

i think..

[Shraka]

Hrm, anyone know what the VTiRs flywheel weight is?

[BiGANG]

i weighed mine when i did the clutch it was closer to 9kg. I dont think the dc2r's have a very light flywheel

[Shraka]

No wonder on the list of DC2 Type R mods, light flywheel is one of the first.

[BiGANG]

Yeh i should have done mine when i had the chance. But lack of the $$$ got in the way. Sorta regret it now.

[ginganggooly]

More like proof that it's not designed to be a race car, the only cars in the same 2 door market segment which can be considered tougher are the ITR(DC2) and S14, and the S14 barely by a whisker in stock form. A lighter flywheel will make affect driveability slightly but it's up the the individual.

IMO, the whole two door fwd coupe market is aimed at hairdressers.
At the time of release, yes, the vti-r integra probably was the best 2-door fwd coupe going. But when you consider the competition i.e. mx-6, probe, celica, being the best in that category is damning with faint praise.
In stock form the cars suspension is woefully inadequate, the steering has very little feel, the motor lacks torque and the brakes leave a lot to be desired.

[Shraka]

... I wouldn't call it woefully inadequate. It's comfortable for the most part, and like I said, gives guys with coilovers (S13s, S14s, ST185s, R32 GTRs) and modified suspension (AE86s, AE71s, S13s) a scare around corners.
The brakes are fine by me. I can out brake a lot of cars, and haven't ever suffered brake fade. As for torque, what are you used to? A commodore? I find the low end torque and response great for a little day driver, and while inital launch is sometimes a bit sluggish, and if I don't stay in the right gear I can get in trouble, it is what it is, and I can keep up with cars that have far more torque, especialy if there are corners involved.
Personaly, I drove S13s in SR20DET and CA18DET trim, MA71 + JZA70 Turbo and JZA80 N/A Supras as well as 80s + 90s Preludes and AE86s before deciding on the DC2 VTiR. And I tell you what, the engine in the VTiR is a lot more fun to play with than any of those other cars, even though most of the cars listed have more torque and power.

I'll agree that the steering feel is crappy though. Too light.

The point is the DC2 competes with AWDs + RWDs too. The MX5, AE86, S13 CA18DE+CA18DET+SR20DE and does so favorably. The S13 SR20DET and Celica ST185 GT Four becomes a bit of an issue for the VTiR though, but it still competes, even if it can't win in the straights. Take it to the twisties though, and see what the story is.

I just had a day out on Sunday through some tight corners. Even uphill it wasn't bad against a heavily modified ST185, and it totaly lost a JZA70. Even on the straights the JZA70 Supra Twin Turbo couldn't get away very quickly. And that's a totaly stock VTiR with 90,000kms on it.

[ginganggooly]

Comparing the pace you can carry through a twisty public road against what other people can carry through the same road in a different car is not a good way of judging the cars' ability. For example, when my car was totally stock, i went through the old road and left behind a modified type-r, a modified ek4, and a stock gt-r. That had nothing to do with the car, and everything to do with me having driven down the same road three times a week for about three years.

Yes, the lack of torque is a relative thing, but drive anything with 2500cc or more, and you feel the hole in the power curve when below about 5k rpm. The motor is a pearler for an 1800, but yeah... it's still an 1800.

Maybe its the way i drive, but i manage to cook the stock brakes everytime i take the car for a late night jaunt down the nearest national park or what not. I found that in stock form the car has pitches viciously under brakes or acceleration (in the first two gears) and wallows around during aggressive changes of direction. The stock dampers aren't up to the task, the swaybar is too soft, as are the stock springs, and the open diff leaves the car scrabbling for traction out of almost any second gear corner.

So, don't get me wrong, i love the car- i still drive it every day and have done for the last five years, but i'm realistic about it's abilities, particularly in stock form... and like it or not, there are cars that are far better performance propositions out there.

[booget]

hahah sifu master!

yes i have seen ginganggooly drive, he cooks everything! psycho!!!! i tell ya!!!
anything stock given to this guy and he'll cook it hahahahaha

[Shraka]

Of course there are. An NSX jumps to mind. But I don't expect my DC2 to be able to keep up with something like that.

And yes, I'm well aware that cornering has a lot to do with skill, but the guy in the ST185 (who admittedly, was letting me catch up on the straight) had driven the roads before, while I had not. And his car was set up for track work, and he does track work, I do not. I don't think I'm more skilled than him, yet he said it was amazing how well the DC2 could keep up with him. I don't think that's just skill.

Yeah, it does roll too much for my liking in the corners, but I love how gradual everything is. If it starts to understeer, just lift off the throttle a little, and it's fine. I've NEVER had braking understeer in it, and I've deliberatly tried to make it understeer under brakes and in neutral to test the limits, but nope, nothing. The slight braking oversteer is very predictable and usefull if you power under a little and need to correct your line.

As much as I'd like an LSD, I don't find the grip that bad unless I'm moving from a standstill, or taking a very tight corner. I just don't drive it like a RWD. I enter the corner faster, and exit without being on the throttle. Easy.

Never ever had a problem with the brakes. Perhaps it's your pads or something? Or perhaps I just haven't reached their limit yet. I do tend to use a lot of engine braking and do things a bit smoother than most, which I actualy find makes me faster, not slower.

[vtml]

Why don't you do this said comparison with cars on the track instead? I can guarantee that you will change your tone.

[HondaLva]

i put a Toda SuperLight flywheels in my car when i did the clutch and the cars feels completely different....i have to keep the revs up a bit more on take up but thats a small issue.....i weighed my standard flywheel and it came close to 8ish kilos.....thats heaps compared to a 4.1kg flywheel that i got in there now...revs sooooo much nicer:)

[Shraka]

Sounds awesome HondaLva. I'd do mine, but it's all under warranty at the moment. I'm vagualy considering selling it and getting a Type R, or just blowing the warranty away and getting a Type R LSD, new suspension, lighter flywheel, exhaust, and intake. :D

But having said that, it'll probably stay stock.

vtml, what are you on about?

[T-onedc2]

Shraka: here's a thread that may or may not be of interest to you regarding the DC2 in general. :thumbsup:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25011&highlight=Integra+dc2+build+quality+reviews