Has anyone driven the new Civic sport 2L?

[MKI4EVA]

Was shopping around today and didn't realise that it's available now. Though they didn't have one to test drive in the 2L sport.

Comes with leathers, sunroof and 16" wheels. The dash and steering wheel is abit weird but overall it's got a nice interior.

Does anyone know if the 2L is a SOHC or DOHC?

it's a shame it only pumps out 114KW.....I assume it's a SOHC.

$33,000 drive away.

[|N|]

serious?
tradein time

[Menzy]

where has all the VTEC power gone ??? :(

[PaZzMaN-R]

hey hey

why yes i have driven the new 2.0ltr sports with the paddle shift and was about to get an manuel but wasnt lucky enough. went well with 3 people in the car tho. i think its sohc as it doent have such a high redline. its got 177nm tho so doesnt matter that is only 114kw also develops peak power down low. it drives every similar to the euro so its something to compare it to. iv also driven the vti with the 1.8ltr engine. price is 33,155$ manuel drive away. if you considering buying it come to me il hook you up because i work for honda:)

[aaronng]

2.0L's a DOHC with i-VTEC on the intake cam only. The 1.8L engines are SOHC.

[Weq]

2.0L's a DOHC with i-VTEC on the intake cam only. The 1.8L engines are SOHC.

ahhk. its vtec for fuel economy then...

[hondarox]

I bet the $33K driveaway price is for the Sport manual.
Pity the new Civic range only comes with 4 speakers and no gas struts for the rod holding the bonnet. Cloth trim on the 1.8L looks crap. Bring back the velour.
I'm not sure whether the buttons on the steering wheel have back lighting.
Overall, it's a great looking car.

[wynode]

ahhk. its vtec for fuel economy then...
It's got 2 Cams Weq :)

Also......I believe the variable cam timing is on the intake only however variable lift is on both cams (assuming they followed the same path as the K20A). What's the engine code for this new engine?

[HILLuZ]

It's got 2 Cams Weq :)

Also......I believe the variable cam timing is on the intake only however variable lift is on both cams (assuming they followed the same path as the K20A). What's the engine code for this new engine?

Engine Code K2OZ2

How ya doin wynode :)

Yep, i test drove an automatic sport today. Was very impressed actually. Im quite certain I'll be trading the prelude in on one very shortly.

Tho there is a huge demand so it may take a few months to get the one you want specifically....

[Alpine]

2.0L's a DOHC with i-VTEC on the intake cam only. The 1.8L engines are SOHC.

Are you sure? The latest Honda magazine states that the 2.0 is a SOHC, like the 1.8.

[MiSloVic]

Are you sure? The latest Honda magazine states that the 2.0 is a SOHC, like the 1.8.

the 2.0 is a DOHC.. dunno where the Honda mag was from, but i believe there is a typoerror.. mags here reprints what ever honda marketing dept says. eg, article which mentions about the 8th gen suspension, says a 'return of the double wishbone'. fact is, the the 7th gen has a double-wishbone suspension at the rear too.. the current 8th gen is an improvement of the 7th gen design

also, can anyone confirm the hybrid is a 1.3 idsi or the 1.3 idsi+3 stage ivtec? 'cos i remember that the new civic hybrid will have the 3-stage-ivtec+IMA...

[MiSloVic]

hey hey

why yes i have driven the new 2.0ltr sports with the paddle shift and was about to get an manuel but wasnt lucky enough. went well with 3 people in the car tho. i think its sohc as it doent have such a high redline. its got 177nm tho so doesnt matter that is only 114kw also develops peak power down low. it drives every similar to the euro so its something to compare it to. iv also driven the vti with the 1.8ltr engine. price is 33,155$ manuel drive away. if you considering buying it come to me il hook you up because i work for honda:)

frankly, $33155 is pretty steep for a civic sport manual, considering other dealers are doing the euro manual for about $33000 driveaway. u get an extra 40bhp 'free'

[aaronng]

The K20Z in the 2.0L civic has i-VTEC with DOHC. The VTC is on the intake cam only, and VTEC is also only on the intake cam. Think of it like the Thai Accord 2.4's engine but with only 2.0L.

The engine is actually not bad. Think of it, 114kW from a 2.0L, that's 57kW/L. The Euro's K24A3 with i-VTEC on both intake and exhaust cams makes 140kW from 2.4L to give 58.3kW/L. Not sure about the compression ratio of the K20Z, but since it is a low revver, then it should be lower than the K24A3's 10.5:1. So to me, Honda's matched a performance 2.4L's kW/L output using just an economy engine setup!

[HILLuZ]

frankly, $33155 is pretty steep for a civic sport manual, considering other dealers are doing the euro manual for about $33000 driveaway. u get an extra 40bhp 'free'

I disagree. You get leather interior in the civic for that price, plus the civic, dimensions wise, is almost as big as the accord. Power isn't everything either.....

After the test drive however, I believe it makes very good use of its 114kw :)

[CTR Coupe]

hey hey

why yes i have driven the new 2.0ltr sports with the paddle shift and was about to get an manuel but wasnt lucky enough. went well with 3 people in the car tho. i think its sohc as it doent have such a high redline. its got 177nm tho so doesnt matter that is only 114kw also develops peak power down low. it drives every similar to the euro so its something to compare it to. iv also driven the vti with the 1.8ltr engine. price is 33,155$ manuel drive away. if you considering buying it come to me il hook you up because i work for honda:)

I didn't think the 2L sport came in manual, I thought they are only selling it in auto with paddle shift.

[HILLuZ]

I didn't think the 2L sport came in manual, I thought they are only selling it in auto with paddle shift.

comes in 5sp manual as well..

[hondarox]

the 2.0 is a DOHC.. dunno where the Honda mag was from, but i believe there is a typoerror.. mags here reprints what ever honda marketing dept says. eg, article which mentions about the 8th gen suspension, says a 'return of the double wishbone'. fact is, the the 7th gen has a double-wishbone suspension at the rear too.. the current 8th gen is an improvement of the 7th gen design

also, can anyone confirm the hybrid is a 1.3 idsi or the 1.3 idsi+3 stage ivtec? 'cos i remember that the new civic hybrid will have the 3-stage-ivtec+IMA...

The 6th gen 1.6L Civic VTi (with CVT) that I bought in Aug 1996 already had double wishbone suspensions on both front and rear.
The 2.0L is a DOHC. See the car at the motor show or look at the photos in the forums.
Typo errors are common. For example, in the www.hondacivic.com.au website, the 1.8L VTi-L doesn't have any audio controls on the steering wheel. But I saw the car at the motor show, checked the detailed brochure spec and found that it had the controls.

[twing]

also, can anyone confirm the hybrid is a 1.3 idsi or the 1.3 idsi+3 stage ivtec? 'cos i remember that the new civic hybrid will have the 3-stage-ivtec+IMA...

It's 3 stage vtec. Saw 2 selenoids next to the engine on motor show.

[MKI4EVA]

frankly, $33155 is pretty steep for a civic sport manual, considering other dealers are doing the euro manual for about $33000 driveaway. u get an extra 40bhp 'free'

WOw, which dealer has the euro for that much drive away price?

The 2L civic is Twin Cam.

Wonder if I can ask for the euro luxury mags to go on the civic.......hhahaha.

I'm test driving it this wkend at parra.

Anyone know the fuel consumption diff between the euro and civic?

Euro was pretty shocking if you fang it around. I'm used to small motors.

[aaronng]

Euro does 11-12 L/100km in the city and 6-7 L/100km on the highway. Averages to about 9-10 for the usual mix.

If both had the same price, I'd go for the Euro, seriously. $33000 for a manual base is reasonable. I got $34000 for my manual base back in 2004.

[MKI4EVA]

Euro does 11-12 L/100km in the city and 6-7 L/100km on the highway. Averages to about 9-10 for the usual mix.

If both had the same price, I'd go for the Euro, seriously. $33000 for a manual base is reasonable. I got $34000 for my manual base back in 2004.

was it $34K drive away back then for you though?

I guess I can't really compare till I drive the civic on sat.

hmMMmm kinda keen to test it now :D

I still kinda like the polo gti or the pug 180 ........for the go and handling but their much smaller cars.

[EuroAccord13]

Just received a letter in the mail from the dealer to ask me go test drive...mmmmmmm

[MKI4EVA]

what do ppl reckon about the interior of the sport

http://www.drive.com.au/photos/photo400/sscaus/honda/civic/2006/4sa%20sport_int.jpghttp://www.drive.com.au/photos/photo400/sscaus/honda/civic/2006/4sa%20sport.jpg The 16" rims don't do it justice.....

[j3z3z]

I must say pictures dont do the car any justice you have to see it in real life inside and out it is a great piece of car, although i believe the sport could do with a spoiler matching to mugen civic dominator and a set of 17" or 18" wheels. Yes they are in 5 speed manual and auto i was priced drive away in newcastle $31000 M and $33500 A. I am serously considering purchacing one within in the next year. The black leather is the better looker

[locote]

what do ppl that have driven it think???
it has potential???
will out gun a vtir civic is the question???

[j3z3z]

wont beat a Vtir off the shelf, But i do believe not much work is needed for it too be a big hitter (mmmmm mugen supercharger). Also Great drive very comfy.... That being from the auto.

[PaZzMaN-R]

i think it does have potential but only time will tell to what extent. will it outgun an ek4 propably.

[locote]

so it defenetly wont even keep up with a teggy vtir??

[j3z3z]

so it defenetly wont even keep up with a teggy vtir??

simply NO.
A couple of grand put into it SHIT YEAH

[MKI4EVA]

simply NO.
A couple of grand put into it SHIT YEAH

yeh the civic is way too heavy with all the saftey features.

I don't get wtf it only has 114KW for a 2L DOHC. Talk about getting de-tuned a ripped off.

I mean 125KW would have been nice with 188Nm of torque.

[wynode]

I think its more to do with marketing. Because if it had much more it would be on par / better than the base Integra.

[panda[cRx]]

after driving the 06 civics for a few days now i think they are great cars!
i'd choose the sport over a euro for sure.

and MKI4EVA your dealers should let u change rims on it, i know at ours we have a selection of the honda rims on a stand (i'm not in sales but i presume as an option to choose rims)

[MiSloVic]

']after driving the 06 civics for a few days now i think they are great cars!
i'd choose the sport over a euro for sure.

and MKI4EVA your dealers should let u change rims on it, i know at ours we have a selection of the honda rims on a stand (i'm not in sales but i presume as an option to choose rims)

are you in melb? which dealership are you at?

[j3z3z]

']after driving the 06 civics for a few days now i think they are great cars!
i'd choose the sport over a euro for sure.

and MKI4EVA your dealers should let u change rims on it, i know at ours we have a selection of the honda rims on a stand (i'm not in sales but i presume as an option to choose rims)

MKI4EVA, panda has pretty much said it all, your dealership should let you change rims, as the dealership i asked say that i would be allowed without voiding the warranty depending on rim size. But you best to ask the dealership you (may be) purchacing the car from. IMO as long as you dont go over the stock rolling diameter you should be fine. And yes they are great cars. And i still stand by my belief that they need the mugen dominators spoiler on them

[MiSloVic]

I disagree. You get leather interior in the civic for that price, plus the civic, dimensions wise, is almost as big as the accord. Power isn't everything either.....

After the test drive however, I believe it makes very good use of its 114kw :)

well, it boils down to individual preference.. for my $33k, i will go for Euro. to me, leather is nice to have.
putting it in prespective, $33k means a RRP + on road cost of $3k for the civic sport. almost double the typical honda average of $1.5k.

[Tu88y]

And i still stand by my belief that they need the mugen dominators spoiler on them


I say we should get the dominator

[DJ Dru]

I reckon they look hot and have decent power too.

[c1v1c]

I say we should get the dominator

Hell yeah.... :thumbsup:

[MKI4EVA]

putting it in prespective, $33k means a RRP + on road cost of $3k for the civic sport. almost double the typical honda average of $1.5k.

come again.......I don't get what you mean.

[c1v1c]

come again.......I don't get what you mean.
his just saying the onroad cost is double of what it normaly is. eg: 1500x2=3000

[MKI4EVA]

I say we should get the dominator

what the flip is that tubbs?

[MKI4EVA]

his just saying the onroad cost is double of what it normaly is. eg: 1500x2=3000

Got an official quote of $32K drive away today with tint and floor mats..........hahhahaha.

fark i can't wait to test drive it.

going to test drive the pug 180 as well.

[c1v1c]

what the flip is that tubbs?

http://www.mugen-power.com/concept/dominator

The spoiler on that is what the car needs! :thumbsup:

[MKI4EVA]

http://www.mugen-power.com/concept/dominator

The spoiler on that is what the car needs! :thumbsup:

Thanks,
jeepers talk about over doing it for a little sedan.........hhahahaa :D

[c1v1c]

you know you want one

[MKI4EVA]

ya dis for $32K drive away

http://sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0306scc_peugeot02_z.jpg

[Mr. Focus]

thinkin about takin one for a spin this weekend

[MKI4EVA]

thinkin about takin one for a spin this weekend

I'll let you know how it goes tonight. Dealers eager to offload and bringing one into city for me to fang. New model is in late next year.

130KW@1054kg

not bad.:thumbsup:

[BlitZ]

I'll let you know how it goes tonight. Dealers eager to offload and bringing one into city for me to fang. New model is in late next year.

130KW@1054kg

not bad.:thumbsup:

it aint got no vtec homie......:thumbdwn:
it aint got an ArchT(H) Bagde....:thumbdwn:
Knobs that fall off ....:thumbsup:
expensive repairs....:thumbsup:
good power to weight....:thumbsup:
I get to ride in it...:thumbsup:

I'd hit it over the civic...;)

[DUST]

How much is it for the VTI-L model in the eastern states or how cheap can u guys get it for?

I got mine for 28k drive away, do you think it's worth it?

I might be driving home in the new Civic tomorrow :D

[Qwooootz]

i rekon id wait a little bit until they release a facelift version :D and abit more power..:rolleyes: :cool:

but dang if this ever get released here.. im tradin in the em1 for sure.. :o :D
http://pictures.dealer.com/curryhondayork/c4e0ec114046386e00d5c65367d9348a.jpg

http://hondaclub.ru/img8/honda_civic_coupe_2d_06_01_aero.jpg

http://www.desktopextreme.com/photos/2006_Honda_Civic_Widescreen_913200513959PM368.jpg

[MKI4EVA]

nice

does anyone know when the coup is due here?

will be in the mid 40K mark anyhow I guess with no DC5 around much longer.

[Qwooootz]

i have my doubts it ever gets released here.. unless maby were back in the good side with US free trade agreement heehee.. but even tho i doubt that gets released here.. *fingers crossd*

[UNLS1]

NO coupe here at all, i love drivin the Civic Sport i have a auto one and ive driven the manual one a few times too! I love this car and the way it is priced for around 35k on the road drive away for auto is very very reasonable...

I sold one to a lady today comparing it to the new golf, that was 37k without leather or sunroof!

If u compare apples to apples with the civic it shapes up very well!

I know most of this from workin at the motorshow and listening to what people have to say about it after comparing to all the other makes in the same price range!
After most people get in it and drive it and get used to the big dash they love it!

We sold 4 civics this morn already and half the public still dont know its for sale yet!

This will be a great car for honda, i love it and im very proud to drive one and even more sell them!


-jimmy

[MKI4EVA]

NO coupe here at all, i love drivin the Civic Sport i have a auto one and ive driven the manual one a few times too! I love this car and the way it is priced for around 35k on the road drive away for auto is very very reasonable...

I sold one to a lady today comparing it to the new golf, that was 37k without leather or sunroof!

If u compare apples to apples with the civic it shapes up very well!

I know most of this from workin at the motorshow and listening to what people have to say about it after comparing to all the other makes in the same price range!
After most people get in it and drive it and get used to the big dash they love it!

We sold 4 civics this morn already and half the public still dont know its for sale yet!

This will be a great car for honda, i love it and im very proud to drive one and even more sell them!


-jimmy

hey Jimmy, whats the wait time on these civics?

do you know if the white is like the CW white on the r models?

is the ride firm feel diff from the others opposed to the sport?

[UNLS1]

the ride feels the same on all of them, the wait time atm isnt long but when everyone sells out prob april, we have sold 3 sports now...its not like the CW white either...

lol sold 2 white ones today!

[PaZzMaN-R]

How much is it for the VTI-L model in the eastern states or how cheap can u guys get it for?

I got mine for 28k drive away, do you think it's worth it?

I might be driving home in the new Civic tomorrow :D

hey mate, it all depends on auto or manuel but if its the auto decent price but if its manuel u getting ripped.

where abouts are you dust? if you near artarmon or the north shore (sydney) come into scotts honda artarmon and we will do you a better deal;) ozhonda discount.

guys if you interested to have a look we got all the models except hybrid for now and all the colours so come by n say hi to me n chek out the new CIVIC :wave:

[HILLuZ]

anyone here work for either the tweed or southport honda dealerships on the gold coast? if so, let me know :P

[JasonGilholme]

Does anyone have a picture of the car in different colours?? particularly the purple and the white?? I'm thinkin of gettin one soon and wanna see the difference.

Cheers guys

jase

[DUST]

Hi Pazzman R, i live in Perth and today was the official launch! My bro just got back from the honda dealers :D brand spanking new Black Civic VTI-L manual for 28k not sure if its a great deal but who cares i didnt pay for it lol! It drives nice, dont like the cloth interior and im not used to the new clutch and gear shift though.

[PaZzMaN-R]

haha shit bro you might not wanna tell your bother but he paid 100$ more then our rrp and our rrp is our drive away price. i hope he had mats and tinting chucked in along with some other stuff. cummon guys do your research

[DUST]

Yeh he got floormats and tinting with it, owell just $100 no biggie, but it feels good to have one of the first new Civics around town!

[Fizz]

is the new civic's 1.8 i-vtec engine uses variable valve timing and lift? or is it just variable valve timing only? or is it the 12/16 valve switching as used on the jazz? :confused:

[PaZzMaN-R]

Yeh he got floormats and tinting with it, owell just $100 no biggie, but it feels good to have one of the first new Civics around town!
yeh we not supposed to be reducing the prices at all so i guess 100$ extra and floor mats n tinting chuked in isnt bad. but gongrats on the purchase and im sure u going to enjoy it alot. all the best with it. :wave:

[Fizz]

just went to see the new civic at the showroom (in perth), got a quote of $26500 driveaway for the VTi auto, with carpet mats only. didnt realise the on road cost would be that much.

[PaZzMaN-R]

just went to see the new civic at the showroom (in perth), got a quote of $26500 driveaway for the VTi auto, with carpet mats only. didnt realise the on road cost would be that much.

hmmmm i dont understand all you guys seem to be getting rippped i just cheked my price sheet it says $26,357 drive away. its an extra 300$ for metalic paint tho. if its with metalic paint its a aight deal otherwise queery it :confused:

for best deals COME TO ME!!!!! only if you in sydney tho. im willing to do my best aswell to beat any quote:) dont be shy guys

[hondarox]

hmmmm i dont understand all you guys seem to be getting rippped i just cheked my price sheet it says $26,357 drive away. its an extra 300$ for metalic paint tho. if its with metalic paint its a aight deal otherwise queery it :confused:

for best deals COME TO ME!!!!! only if you in sydney tho. im willing to do my best aswell to beat any quote:) dont be shy guys

Ok, if your driveaway price for the 1.8L VTi-L auto is just the rrp of $26,490, could I then assume that your driveaway price for the Sport auto is also $31,990 ! That's the car I'm interested in.

[PaZzMaN-R]

Ok, if your driveaway price for the 1.8L VTi-L auto is just the rrp of $26,490, could I then assume that your driveaway price for the Sport auto is also $31,990 ! That's the car I'm interested in.

nooooo vti auto is $26,357 drive away. the civic sports auto is rrp $35,627 drive away. you got the vti mixed up with the vti-L.

if you can get a civic auto sports 31,990 drive away take it and laugh because that means you not paying for ctp, rego and stamp duty!!!

[MiSloVic]

how come the on-roads for the civic are a whopping $3k?? are there much more pre-delivery stuff to do than any other hondas?

or is the civic intentionally priced low, and let the higher-than-norm on-roads cover the difference?

[aaronng]

If you can get a civic auto sports 31,990 drive away take it and laugh because that means you not paying for ctp, rego and stamp duty!!!
That's usually my target when I shop for a car. I ask for $1000 below RRP drive away. And in the end I get it at RRP drive away. I paid $34000 for my euro drive away when RRP was still 34,250. :D Shopping and bargaining is 1/2 the fun. :)

[hondarox]

nooooo vti auto is $26,357 drive away. the civic sports auto is rrp $35,627 drive away. you got the vti mixed up with the vti-L.

if you can get a civic auto sports 31,990 drive away take it and laugh because that means you not paying for ctp, rego and stamp duty!!!

My apologies. I thought its was for the Vti-L.
Anyway, it seems that the Civic Sport is more expensive than the Accord Euro Std.
How much is the driveaway price for the Euro Std auto?

[aaronng]

My apologies. I thought its was for the Vti-L.
Anyway, it seems that the Civic Sport is more expensive than the Accord Euro Std.
How much is the driveaway price for the Euro Std auto?
I'd say 35,000 to 36,000.

[JasonGilholme]

how come the on-roads for the civic are a whopping $3k?? are there much more pre-delivery stuff to do than any other hondas?

or is the civic intentionally priced low, and let the higher-than-norm on-roads cover the difference?

Wouldn't surprise me if you were right

[MKI4EVA]

nooooo vti auto is $26,357 drive away. the civic sports auto is rrp $35,627 drive away. you got the vti mixed up with the vti-L.

if you can get a civic auto sports 31,990 drive away take it and laugh because that means you not paying for ctp, rego and stamp duty!!!


We just bought a black sports manual for $32,100 drive away.

Parra in NSW...........I hate fark'n paper work.

Wasn't impressed with the car at all. Dash felt like your in a blardy odessey. Car way to heavy for the power output.

At the end of the day it's just another civic. I don't get why ppl are getting excited. Maybe you'll feel diff after you drive the car and think with your feet on the ground.

Looks nice from the outside

Save your money and get the euro ppl. You can't even begin to compare these two cars........hence their in different target markets I guess. :D

No black leather. WTF is up with that?

only grey and blue'ish and the two tone colours.

You can guess it wasn't my choice to buy AHHAHahhahahah.

fark'n i-Wetec my ass.

[blk05gli]

to all you dealers, is this sat nav/screen option available for the vti-l or sport here?

http://www.geocities.com/pranol/civic_nav.jpg

[UNLS1]

We just bought a black sports manual for $32,100 drive away.

Parra in NSW...........I hate fark'n paper work.

Wasn't impressed with the car at all. Dash felt like your in a blardy odessey. Car way to heavy for the power output.

At the end of the day it's just another civic. I don't get why ppl are getting excited. Maybe you'll feel diff after you drive the car and think with your feet on the ground.

Looks nice from the outside

Save your money and get the euro ppl. You can't even begin to compare these two cars........hence their in different target markets I guess. :D

No black leather. WTF is up with that?

only grey and blue'ish and the two tone colours.

You can guess it wasn't my choice to buy AHHAHahhahahah.

fark'n i-Wetec my ass.

the civic is a great car and a massive step forward from the old civic...and if u compare it to all the other cars in the range it is bloody good!
oh and to the other bloke NO sat nav will be availible in civic at all in aus!

[MiSloVic]

to all you dealers, is this sat nav/screen option available for the vti-l or sport here?

http://www.geocities.com/pranol/civic_nav.jpg
umm... that's not a sat nav. it is just a blank piece of plastic in place of the headunit.

[blk05gli]

sorry, i previosuly posted the wrong pic, this is the correct one. i guess from ULNS1's reply, no sat nav for AUS.

http://www.honda.co.jp/CIVIC/equipment/image/navi_image.jpg

[tanalasta]

No Sat Nav on the Civic yet. Which is disappointing but I'd imagine that it will eventually come out. After all, they have it on the Honda Euro Luxury as an option and it looks quite similar to that one you have in the picture.

For those comparing the Civic Sport to the Euro:
1. The Euro standard manual is a better car. It drives better, has a better engine and arguably the Japanese build quality is better than the Thai with better detail (e.g. better carpets, door seals, spare alloy compared to the spare steel in the Civic Sport). If you're getting a manual car, get the Euro.
2. The reasons for getting the Civic Sport automatic over the Euro standard auto are mainly cosmetic frills - better fuel economy, paddle shift, leather seats and sunroof. The Euro automatic performance is smooth but not fast... and is a fair comparison to the Civic Sport.

If you're wanting the frills, compare the Civic Sport to the Euro Luxury. The former is $36k driveaway with tinting, metallic paint, mats, rear sensors. THe latter is $43k driveaway with very few extra accessories (but oh so gorgeous heated leather seats, 17" rims and HID).

Mind you, the Civic Sport paddle shift isn't anywhere as responsive as the VW golf GTI DSG.

[aaronng]

If your budget is around 35k, then go for the Civic Sport if you MUST have leather. Go for the Euro if you don't need leather. If you are comparing leather-equipped Euro, then it is already out of the 30-40k price range.

BTW, the paddle shift is nothing special. The response time should be similar to the Euro's auto tiptronic.

[chylld]

BTW, the paddle shift is nothing special. The response time should be similar to the Euro's auto tiptronic.

i've driven both and agree - the paddle shift is pretty much the same, and nothing special. it is nice to have that extra control though, esp when you want the car to change up and the auto box thinks otherwise...

another important thing that i haven't seen mentioned before is that the civic is anticipated to have a 5-star safety rating, whereas the accord euro only has 4.

also the sunroof is real nice :)

[tanalasta]

another important thing that i haven't seen mentioned before is that the civic is anticipated to have a 5-star safety rating, whereas the accord euro only has 4.

also the sunroof is real nice :)

With both front/rear curtain airbags in addition to the standard set, the Civic Sport is almost certain to achieve a 5 star rating. Seeing how well it's done in safety assessments around the world.

It's a real pity (and kudos to Honda for smart marketing at the expense of people's lives) that the curtain airbags are only available in the top-of-the line Sport model.

And I agree, the sunroof is very nice - especially for airing out a car on a hot day.

The Sports model also has a stiffer suspension than the standard VTI/VTI-L. Handling and refinement isn't up on par with the Euro though.

[chylld]

The Sports model also has a stiffer suspension than the standard VTI/VTI-L.

oh really? i had no idea about the suspension when i bought mine, i thought the only performance enhancements were engine and tyres. where did you read about the suspension?

[integraz]

it should be dif suspension, and larger brakes due to larger engine etc etc

[PaZzMaN-R]

suspention is the same, breaks the same only diffs are engine, wheels and electic powered sterring as aposed to power steering (hydolic)

[IS250]

how come the on-roads for the civic are a whopping $3k?? are there much more pre-delivery stuff to do than any other hondas?

or is the civic intentionally priced low, and let the higher-than-norm on-roads cover the difference?

Depends what state you're in. But those on road costs seem fairly accurate. Dealer delivery is usually $1495, plus stamp duty normally ranges from $500+, then theres also registration and CTP/transport insurance.

On road costs for the Accord should actually be more because the higher the price, the more the stamp duty.

Go to http://www.discountnewcars.com.au/Honda/Honda-Civic-VTi-1-8.cfm and click on Dealer delivery and charges for a state by state run down.

[aaronng]

Once the demand slows down a bit, you should able to get the Civic on the road for just the RRP price (free on roads cost). If you want it now, then you have to fight with the others who are willing to pay full on roads just to get the car first.