View Full Version : What's the most power you can get for an na B16
gnx1987
08-03-2006, 10:27 PM
I tried searching this, I was sure I'd find something but couldn't, please don't shoot me. So anyway like the title says, what's the most amount of power you could get out of a streetable all motor b16a. And what times could you expect on the quarter. I'm aware I'd need to upgrade running gear and stuff but just wanting to know figures at the moment. Add anything you think is relevant also.
NA b16a (not hyrbrid). probably about 130-40kw on pump fuel. thats if u spend 12-20k.
woul dit be streetable? if no power under 5k and revving to 11k is streetable, then yes.
yourfather
09-03-2006, 04:35 PM
Is that at the flywheel or at the wheels though Mr Weq...
DLO01
09-03-2006, 04:36 PM
That would be at the wheels.
yourfather
09-03-2006, 04:37 PM
That's pretty good result then!!!
:)
gnx1987
09-03-2006, 05:10 PM
NA b16a (not hyrbrid). probably about 130-40kw on pump fuel. thats if u spend 12-20k.
woul dit be streetable? if no power under 5k and revving to 11k is streetable, then yes.
So that's including full bottom end, complete headwork, intake, exhaust and ecu? Or are some of the things I'd asume you could put on (like multi throttles) unroadworthy items?
yourfather
09-03-2006, 05:17 PM
well, you asked about all motor, so that's the kind of work one would have to perform on it to increase output.
iamhappy46
09-03-2006, 05:24 PM
B16A is reputed to have 270Hp@engine while retaining the 1.6L capacity running 98 Octane fuel. So about 180+Hp(132Kw)@wheels is possible but definitely the extreme limit on pump fuel.
ProECU
09-03-2006, 06:31 PM
HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING....
seriously!
A.G.System
09-03-2006, 06:40 PM
HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING....
seriously!
I personally think it depends
Does it have a RED rocker cover?
Because everyone knows RED goes faster.
So that's including full bottom end, complete headwork, intake, exhaust and ecu? Or are some of the things I'd asume you could put on (like multi throttles) unroadworthy items?
This would be the works. Not just all the blind parts, but the time and testing to evaluate what is needed or what makes power. But im not god. drop 20k at toda or any other workshop, and im sure u will find out sooner or later.
ProECU
09-03-2006, 07:01 PM
Whats the fascination with Toda?
Whats the fascination with Toda?
havnt u heard, im there new dealer?? toda is quick to type and is VERY JDM which all the ricers can relate too.
A.G.System
09-03-2006, 07:27 PM
Toda..... sounds a lot like tada...
Which could actually be quite funny if you were to sample the windows tada.wav to go off every time VTEC kicked in.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM TADA
Or am i the only one laughing at that one?
Menzy
09-03-2006, 07:29 PM
^^ I think its only you :p
ProECU
09-03-2006, 07:33 PM
ok, how about this one..
whats the fascination with pointless threads in the tech forums?
ProECU
09-03-2006, 07:35 PM
havnt u heard, im there new dealer??
They must be desperate, :p
Menzy
09-03-2006, 07:35 PM
where is admin to close it, as its pointless :)... gnx1987 you cant ask an open question like that cause in the end the thread will get off the topic.
A.G.System
09-03-2006, 07:36 PM
They never go off topic
WOW look at the sunset....................
ProECU
09-03-2006, 07:38 PM
posts like this belong as an itch in respective parents' pants
Chris_F
09-03-2006, 07:48 PM
wow.. this discussion went down hill quite quickly
2MPRSS
09-03-2006, 07:50 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/2MPRSS/2498_5mg.jpg
this b16a has 184 kw
ProECU
09-03-2006, 08:36 PM
but thats an engine dyno, not a chassis dyno...
but thats an engine dyno, not a chassis dyno...
it supports my theory ;)
Soooo.... Hows that local sporting team?
A.G.System
09-03-2006, 10:31 PM
You had a theory???
This thread has turned to poo...
isn't that right George?
http://slapnose.com/images/blog/0605/0605_bush_poo_200x217.jpg
Dylanamus
10-03-2006, 02:10 PM
It seems inane to buy a car with a b16a when you want 150kw at the wheels. You'd be better off with a faster car to start with! Unless you have more money than sense and just want to break a record or something. I will personally be doing work to my b16a internals, but more for the purpose of making it higher reving and more reliable to race than to gain maximum horsepower. I foresee maybe 130kw at the wheels with all the bolt ons (4-1 header, edelbrock etc intake, 2.5 high flow exhaust etc etc), cams, valvetrain, forged pistons and balanced crankarm and all that inner cyinder stuff, maybe a larger throttle body... then all the accessories like fuel pump etc all tuned properly on a decent ECU. More of a "throttle response" build than a raw power build. This will occur over the course of many a year haha
Edit: When I wrote 130kw at the wheels, I actually meant 120 haha
Slow96GSR
10-03-2006, 03:47 PM
LOL!! I'm to into the beers to read all this!! I started to laugh just reading the title. All I have to say is how much money do you have? What are you willing to let someone do to your car and how long can they have it to develop the motor to maximize HP? Give me 4 months and I'll get you more HP then you'll know what to do with it. Of course I can do a rough estimate of 100k USD to do it. Dyno time and multiple setups will do it. We got to spend 1.5 million just developing an exhaust header for a FF1600 armature car for a guy. Then over the course of 05 we spent well over that going to races and fixing the cars. So it all comes down to money. If you have a lot I will be happy to help you spend it!
damn this thread is very... technical ;)
130-140 atw NA I agree with that aswell
The displacement rule applies here, and you'll be spending ridiculous money for those KW. 184kw at the engine for a 1.6L is damn impressive. But again, bigger displacement, more possible output. Simple.
So hows the weather there SlowGSR? :p
iamhappy46
10-03-2006, 04:10 PM
AUS$20,000 can get you a 270Hp@crankshaft crate motor from Japan, with ECU/freight but need gearbox/clutch and fuel/exhaust system to suit.
gnx1987
10-03-2006, 06:05 PM
Please refrain from bagging me and thinking I know nothing about cars. I may not be a mechanic but I do know some things. Aren't these forums to educate and help people. This was a curiosity question. I bought my car most specifically as a get around with the side effect of a bit of fun and not expecting to be able to get a shit load of horses without boosting it. I just thought with all that extra stuff I figured a bit more than 20 kw over what I've got now would be a bit more reasonable.
Dylanamus
10-03-2006, 06:16 PM
gnx1987: You should really have worded your post a bit differently :P
20kw at the wheels? Try some decent extractors with a 2" collector and send that through a 2.5" high flow exhaust and that will free up maybe 10kwatw and even more once you start giving it more headway with better engine power. Get an better intake manifold and a CAI (cold air intake) and you'll be up around 15kwatw extra. If that isn't enough do some headwork ie. Some VTEC camshafts with more aggressive timings in lobe C, (purely as an example: Toda Spec B cams), upgrade your valvetrain and get some higher compression pistons... I expect that will take you up to around 25kwatw or more, which would be around 120kw at the wheels if I'm not mistaken. Add a decent ECU and tune. You would have spent in excess of 5k quite easily by this stage. Taking the build any further will increase in price exponentially...
HondaLva
10-03-2006, 07:15 PM
id rather collect matchbox cars ;)
or save 5 grand...and learn to run really really fast
integral90
11-03-2006, 12:12 AM
or save 5 grand...and learn to run really really fast
civic's aren't THAT slow... are they? :p
Dude if i was you i would just start withe the basics, i/h/e, that could get you up to around 8kwatw (if you're lucky).
But if you want a FUN civic, then i would focus on handling components. Fun around corners is more fun than fun in a straight line ;) besides, a civic isn't going to be a powerful road rocket without some work put into it, and a good little handling car will be more easily achieved than that.
just my 2 cents
todaek9
11-03-2006, 01:18 AM
for 20k ish i'll build you a high 11sec B20 provided you have a 700kg< wet weight...
And also, i don't think you can ever get a 140kw outta 20k Aud if you do it in Australia..workmanship is just way too expensive..save up the money and get a better car...or even pay for your house loan...if you get what i mean...
next smart arse gets banned ;) so plz keep it on topic guys
plz don't make me go and delete EVERY off topic comment here...
anyway, if ppl actually read the thread title and his first post, he just asked how much power out of a b16a... vague but straight forward.
ProECU
11-03-2006, 08:43 AM
I think all the moderators should be banned for allowing such rediculous topics in the tech section!
wynode
11-03-2006, 09:55 AM
I think all the moderators should be banned for allowing such rediculous topics in the tech section!
You've been on here long enough to know what the report post button does Evan.
Vinh.......this is really a silly thread and is way too vague.
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