EK Civic Project.... $15K budget

[project_EK]

Hey guys...

Just picked up a 97 model Civic GLi hatch... very happy with it's condition but looking to go all out on it... performance wise...

Just wanting to know what sort of performance eg. power and 1/4 mile times I would be able to get with a $15-17K budget on the engine only...

Obviously I will be ditching the SOHC 1600 thats in it at the moment... so far I'm thinking either B18C or B20B-VTEC... either one will be turbo...

Can anyone give me a ruff idea with the budget I have...

Thanks!

[VTEC16]

turbo.....zzzz

your post had me excited till that point.....

[88crx]

Wait till the K Series Mounts come out for the EK :D

then put in a K24 with a k20a head on it :P

it all really deoends if you want straight line performance
or track hadling performance aswell

Turbo would be fun but NA can be just as fun ;)

[[[d a n n y]]]

yeha plz dont go turbo go N/A

then again it's up to you..

but

if ur going turbo 1/4 is all the way

track then it's N/A

anywayz
b20 with b16a head and turbo sounds nice..

[LatinoHatchCrap]

LOL just the motor alone could cost you 15k depending on how hardcore you wanna go. IMO do a lot of reaserach before you make your decisision.

[project_EK]

Car is going to be mainly drag car...

[vti-2]

turbo.....zzzz

your post had me excited till that point.....

Why bother posting that? It's not going to help this member.

project_EK - that's a healthy budget. If you are after drag then go turbo as it will give you the best results for your money. There's a lot of debate that N/A can be just as good down the strip but IMHO, the money you spend on N/A, if you spent that on a turbo engine you would get more satisfying results and have more fun with it on the street. :D

Engine wise, why would you go B20VTEC? Just stick to the B16A or B18C. You can't go wrong with either of those.

[project_EK]

Not sure why I would go B20B Vtec... thats why i'm putting up this post... so I can get more info...
I thought bout the H22A but seems to much hassle... plus I wanna keep the A/C and P/S...

B18C seems as tho it will do the job good enuff... these motors seem pretty rare in Aust... either in VTiR or Type R form... has anyone imported form USA??

What is the block strength like on a B18C??

[VTEC16]

the B series engines run quite high compression ratios. So if your gonna turbo them they will need quite a lot of work.

We dont import engines from the US (as far as i know)....rather get them from where they are made!

It sounds like you are purely after a drag car??

For 15K you could make a mean NA track car.......wish i had that kinda money to drop into my car....

good luck....and sorry for the apathetic comment i made above.

cheers,

mike.

[CAT_SPEW]

the B series engines run quite high compression ratios. So if your gonna turbo them they will need quite a lot of work.

Don't flame me, but would a decompression plate solve the problem on a B series engine if you wanted to boost it pretty high?

[VTEC16]

yeh that would help....but then you also have the high lift, long overlap camshafts which dont lend themselves very well with lotsa boost...

dont worry mathew...nothing to be flamed.

[Weq]

What are u aiming at? a street car or a track car or a drag car?

[CAT_SPEW]

yeh that would help....but then you also have the high lift, long overlap camshafts which dont lend themselves very well with lotsa boost...

dont worry mathew...nothing to be flamed.

Haha yay I was sorta right ;)

[Weq]

yeh that would help....but then you also have the high lift, long overlap camshafts which dont lend themselves very well with lotsa boost...

dont worry mathew...nothing to be flamed.

You would think is he was spending 15k on an engine, he would:
a) rebuild the internals using lower compression pistons.
b) totally rebuild the head, using application specific camshafts.

Basically if u were to to spend that cash, there would be nothing original in the block, other then the crank (possibly just machined/balanced) and outer casing. So all u guys who argue 'such and such is not suited to turbo' are just plain wrong.
You would ideally start with a block that is straight and probablly the only critiera is personal perference. You could build up a d-series, b-series or k-series, doesnt matter. The only difference is COST. K-series will bve expensive and tedious, and will quickly chew up the budget just for the 'name' of the engine. Definalty go VTi-R B series or D series :P

Actually with this kinda budget, u will probably fit into the custom profile of a low spec turbo setup, done by the man himself, BLKCRX (james).

Oh yeah, to all the all motor guys,

All your NA are belong to US!

[Civic Type R]

Ummmm you also might want to consider:
bigger better brakes,
new fuel lines and tank
transmission and running gear with LSD
structural rigidity such as cross bars and tower bars etc.
suspension upgrades
extra rivetts for chassis strength
ecu and tuning electrics.

...

[vti-2]

the B series engines run quite high compression ratios. So if your gonna turbo them they will need quite a lot of work.

What's quite high? And what's quite a lot of work?

[vti-2]

Ummmm you also might want to consider:
bigger better brakes,
new fuel lines and tank
transmission and running gear with LSD
structural rigidity such as cross bars and tower bars etc.
suspension upgrades
extra rivetts for chassis strength
ecu and tuning electrics.

...

And that's after spending $15k on the engine! :shock:

[VTEC16]

the B series engines run quite high compression ratios. So if your gonna turbo them they will need quite a lot of work.

What's quite high? And what's quite a lot of work?

depends on the engine. Thicker headgasket, pistons and headwork?

...or something like that :P

[vti-2]

the B series engines run quite high compression ratios. So if your gonna turbo them they will need quite a lot of work.

What's quite high? And what's quite a lot of work?

depends on the engine. Thicker headgasket, pistons and headwork?

...or something like that :P

Yeah, well all B series engines can be boosted without internal work. However, boost usually can't exceed 10psi otherwise the internals start melting. ;)

Either way, for a decent setup running at least 14psi you have to do the internals. This includes rods, pistons, head work etc usually a lot of the other work like cams etc depends on how hardcore you want to go.

Someone commented that usually you are stripping and rebuilding the engine to a point where it's not the same anyway. But i still think that doesn't justify going B20. But that's just a personal opinion so don't flame me.

I say, stick to a B16A or B18C and go nuts. B18C will give you that torque advantage. :)

[fusion_VTi]

sell it and buy a turbo nissan, fast from the factory :D if i was in ur shoes however i'd prob ditch that motor start off with something better and turbo it seeing as your after a drag setup

[soloisbetter]

i agree go a Nissan for Turbo Drag racing.. but then again i guess u wanna be different and do something extreme with ur honda.. but if ur just looking for straight up results go Nissan for the drag racing..

[LatinoHatchCrap]

Pound for pound if you're seriously gona stick to your 17k budget consider the b18c option and source a whole SIR-G/ITR front cut. it'll prob run you 7-11K at the most but with that you'll get the whole swap and more with brakes master cylinder, prob valve, front end conversion even if you want to be unique. IMO doing an ultimate CRVTEC setup might no necessaryly fit that budget if you take into account the entire work thats gotta be done to the car and unless you turn your own wrenches just forget it :thumbsup:
Im only talking from experience of corse.

[TODA AU]

TRUST turbo kit + TRUST intercooler kit +E-manage + Injectors + Adj fuel press reg + fuel pump + HD clutch & LW FW + TRUST exhaust system + TRUST Oil cooler + HKS 2.5mm headgasket + Labour & dyno tuning etc...
$15,000 well spent...

I've done it before... It works really well...
260+hp to the front tyres...

Stock internals do not melt @ over 10psi...
1 bar is fine with 2.5mm headgasket...

Add cams etc for even more power...
email me if you're interested...

Cheers

Adrian

[pornstar]

for 15k ur car could be a 12 second car. Dont start saying this and that, cos if u think 12 seconds is not a fast car, bring ur car to the drags and race a 12 second car and see how far u get anally reamed.

i wanna be an internet mechanic :P

[VTEC16]

12 seconds is a lot anal reaming :!:

[pgclee]

15K on a civic...hmm...

lets say the engine cost bout 5k???

another 10 K...hmm..

Programmable ECU...lets say 1.5-2k...

another 7K....hmm...

Stroker Kit....around 3-4K complete...

another 3 k...

Head internal...ermm...

high Lift Cams..Toda would be nice....with Toda Valve Springs and Titanium Retainers....all over size...and if you want to Drag the Car, why don't you try Toda Spec D?...hahaha....

post and polish and work done....

ehh...everything gone..

you're lagging of Injectors, QUAD throttle Body or JG Feedback ones, and Bigger Butterfly...like a 70mm ones??....Extractors...one seated with super light weight racing seat...Harness...4 pot calipper...disc rotors, suspension, Rollcage, re-enforce body work, lighten body, LSD, Gear Ratio, NOS, CF bonet, gauges, Radiator, all other pipes, steering wheels, lightweight rims, and many more, Not to forget, you need a very good tuner to make your car work properly, i mean WORK PROPERLY...not saying they will also make your car fast...
That is for a B18c mods....hahaha....alot of money...


but there is always other alternatives,

B20Z may b a better solutions....
get a B18 Crank ,make it really balance and bottom end, you need superb work, and remember, there is always vibration in the block because B18 are not really suppose to be in a B20....

with High comp piston...and re balance the crank, blue print the whole engine....get a set of high lift cams, and valve, Valve Springs, and retainers and sprocket as well...bore up the throttle body to save bit of money, and manifold as well...with a Not bad ECU, and good tuning, easily you car can go about high 12 sec...but with a good driver as well...

lets say..bout 12k...you can do all that..

unless you willing to throw more money ...B18C is good...but expensive..

B20Z is cheap..but not reliable...

B16B is for High Revs...but still...lagging of torque...

if for B18C Turbo...wow...don't think bout it man..
too much money....no piston and really well balanced engine, and good tunning, and with about 1.5-1.8 bar boost, i don't think the car is fast...
seen one, driven one, blown one...and really expensive for one lesson...

if my post doesn't make any sense..just leave it...hahahaha....fast car...may only be a solution...MONEY....the more you have, the quicker it goes....don't expect much for the 15k in an NA....12sec might be possible...but if you have an S15, and 15k in it...i think easily you can get a Low 12sec..without complaining bout traction...hahahahaha...

[pornstar]

hmmm, i must have smoked one blunt too many.

[s2k]

if interested i can get you a integra type r front cut for around $7000 dc2r, 98-00 model low km. JDM model. thats if you decide to go for a integra type r engine.