6.5mm Toe out on rear

[JDM-DC2R]

Done alignment today and found out that the rear right toe is 6.5mm toe out which is extremely "COOL". What's happening? Something broken? And what should i do?

My car is DC2R

[T-onedc2]

What suspension do you have? Is there any history of an accident which may have bent a suspension component?

[Paul1985]

thats not that serious dude.
where did you get this alignment?
I cant believe they didnt adjust the toe for you, thats just stingy IMO. I do alignments on cars at work sometimes.

You said you are 6.5mm out. Is this on the left or right or 6.5 either side??

It doesnt take much to send the toe out a little bit anyway. I only work with new/newish cars and they are always out.

EDIT: i noticed you said rear right. It would have taken the mechanic about 5mins to adjust that for you. Im not sure on what the specs are for the dc2 and we use degrees instead of mm at work, but that really doesnt sound bad too me. All they had to do to adjust it was get 2 spanners and adjust the rod a tad.

Heres an exaggerated example of what is happening with your car:

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They are the wheels, the rear right will be slightly pointing to the right (6.5mm)

[BlitZ]

when i get a wheel alignment.. isnt toe the only setting they change? if so arent u back to zero now?

[Paul1985]

with the wheel alignment spec machine at my work we only align fords. These cars are pretty much new and are not customers cars so not as much care needs to be taken.

The things that we look for on this machine are toe, camber and caster.

Toe is adjusted by turning the tie rods.
Camber is adjusted by adding spacers (cant adjust the rear on all fords)
Caster im unsure of, i think its similar to camber in the way you adjust it.

Negative toe is when your wheels are like this: \ /
Positive toe is when your wheels are like this: / \

Im sure most of you know what camber is, same as toe, but instead of the position horizontally, its the position vertically. I hope this explains it ok?

caster is sort of how far back your wheels sit from where theyre supposed to. Im not sure on how to explain this one although its not all that important

im sure if you looked in your manual, you could find the specs for the model car you are looking for.

With a Ford XT Falcon i did one on the other day, the perfect toe setting for the front of the car was 0.08 degrees. This means 0.04 degrees either side (left and right). Im pretty sure there is usually a tolerance of 1 degree allowed.

When you had the wheel alignment done, you should have asked for a printout of the results.

I dont know if my info helps at all? I hope it has in some way.

[Paul1985]

btw, toe isnt set at zero... if so the front wheels would look like this:
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they are supposed to be like this:
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[aozora]

when i get a wheel alignment.. isnt toe the only setting they change? if so arent u back to zero now?

Nope, but depending on the suspension type... camber, toe, castor, kpi and a few other things are changed/adjusted/checked.
And most of the time, they adjust it back to factory specifications which are definately not all 0 values. Unless you tell them otherwise ;) Mmmm -3 degrees camber :D

Eg. If you lower the car, camber goes negative, toe goes in (I think? Positive or Negative I always get them mixed up...)... so they are related :)

[Paul1985]

Eg. If you lower the car, camber goes negative, toe goes in (I think? Positive or Negative I always get them mixed up...)... so they are related :)
Toe in: / \ this is +0.whatever degrees.
Toe out: \ / this is -0.whatever degrees.

[Paul1985]

most my info is based on the front wheels and as i said, on fords. With the rear of some fords you cant adjust the camber and when adjusting the toe it also changes the camber.

Definately should check factory specs and next time get the results of the alignment or a printout.

[aozora]

Toe in: / \ this is +0.whatever degrees.
Toe out: \ / this is -0.whatever degrees.

Front of car
/ \ Positive/In
\ / Negative/Out
Rear of car

Yeah? Haha thanks :)

[BlitZ]

i do not believe they would change my camber caster or antyihgn else when i drop by bob jane for a wheel alignment.. even if i had caster and camber kits..
most they would do is measure it..



Nope, but depending on the suspension type... camber, toe, castor, kpi and a few other things are changed/adjusted/checked.
And most of the time, they adjust it back to factory specifications which are definately not all 0 values. Unless you tell them otherwise ;) Mmmm -3 degrees camber :D

Eg. If you lower the car, camber goes negative, toe goes in (I think? Positive or Negative I always get them mixed up...)... so they are related :)

[JDM-DC2R]

I am using stock suspension

The alignment shop say they try to adjust the toe on rear but they can't do it and said there should be something bent, so i am wondering what's wrong with it

Bent trail arm? or tie rods?

[BlitZ]

alot of the times is a bent subframe caused by reversing hard onto a log like object...

else could be you trialing arm...maybe even the bushing for the trailing arm(correct me if im wrong)....

[Paul1985]

alot of the times is a bent subframe caused by reversing hard onto a log like object...

else could be you trialing arm...maybe even the bushing for the trailing arm(correct me if im wrong)....
:thumbsup:
I thought that they just didnt adjust it for you and wanted more money lol.
BlitZ got it right, could be a number of things. Maybe even the alignment machine!

[aozora]

i do not believe they would change my camber caster or antyihgn else when i drop by bob jane for a wheel alignment.. even if i had caster and camber kits..
most they would do is measure it..
True, depends on the car I guess. Some are almost not adjustable at all stock. *kicks stock S13 MacPherson strut setup* :p

[bennjamin]

different values of toe front / rear / left / right are part of the static and dynamic balance - i have also noticed that worn bushings( especially the rear trailing arm) adversly affects turn in and higher speed stability with 0 toe. So , make sure everything is tight and new/not worn before getting a proper alignment !