Wat is up with this site now??

[Calvo]

Hey ppls,

The reason for this post was something i decided to finally post in light of reading this thread: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41999

Ive been a member of this site for a long time, since the beginning in fact. Most of the Syd ppl know me (well old skoolers anyways), so they kno the kind of person i am.

Recently there has been so much negativity in the forum, and some of it is being fueled by irresponsible MODS. Mods are supposed to be trying to keep the peace, and lead by example. Some of the sh!t i see on this forum now, is the sole reason why i dont post here much anymore, and im sure many other ppl dont post here now also coz of it. I think many ppl on this site will agree with me, but just dont wanna say anything in fear of copping a ban.

I think the mod selection needs to be more thorough, and maybe mods should step in if they think other mods are behaving inappropriately.

Some mods need to get off their high horse and get bak to reality. This site is called OzHonda.com, not hondaperformance.com. Not everyone mods their car with performance only in mind. Some other ppl actually like other aspects of car modding. I kno this is the internet, and ppl are free to post their opinion etc, but i think mods should be responsible ppl. Wat i read in that thread is something i'd expect of an ignorant person, not a mod.

Im not personally attacking the mod in that thread, but just in general i think this place needs a clean up. It is starting to become a Nazi camp, which is not wat I (or anyone else for that matter) signed up to this site for.

Cheers,
Calvin.

EDIT: Look i kno the user broke the rules by abusing another member, but in all honesty, can u not see he was provoked? Murat already posted a light hearted comment after the first reply, and the 2nd reply was uncalled for.

[Felix]

I totally agree with you Calvo.!

Why wasn't Jinrai banned aswell for his comments?

[Q_ball]

Yeh i do feel that Murat shouldnt of been banned for that remark, as he was clearly stirred up directly by a mod, of all people!!

[Felix]

ohh so is Jinrai a mod. Man that just makes it worse!

[Calvo]

Scrolling through the lounge, every bloody topic is locked. Isnt it called "The Lounge" for a reason?

What you did on the weekend, stories and anything else totally unrelated.

[panda[cRx]]

i agree that jinrai was out of line for banning him.

if anything the post could have just been edited or deleted and the user given a warning

[Q_ball]

I believe it was locked for the thread was becoming a playground for keyboard warriors, thus closed b4 any more tempers were flared!

[Felix]

I think SOME of the mods on this site really like to abuse their power. I actively post on 9 completely different forums, 2 of which I am a mod. Ozhonda has to be the most terrible in the way the mods behave.
Makes me want to start my own oz honda forums, maybe aushonda.com.au... lol.

[JINRAI]

to be honest...what the purpose of his thread? to brag about his new car? what benefit is that to others? if he didn't like my comments he should have taken it to PM...so let me get this straight...you guys are ok with other members swearing in public and making vulgar comments in public to you? im sure everyone here in educated enough

if anyone of you knows him personally, then you should let him know he is responsible for his comments...read the terms and condition properly

p.s. I can't believe ppl are showing empathy for such a person

[Q_ball]

but jinrai, u deliberatly stirred him up!
it started off fine man, he was meerly telling every1 he had sold his car.
its the lounge, hes allowed to, 90+% of threads in the lounge are pointless!
sure the way he responded was unnecessary, but you are a mod, if u didnt like the person or feel the thread had any sort of point to it, you shoulda jst clicked to the next thread!

[Felix]

to be honest...what the purpose of his thread? to brag about his new car? what benefit is that to others? if he didn't like my comments he should have taken it to PM...

not once did he make any comment about his new car apart from telling us what sort of car it was.
Dude about 75% of the threads on this site are people bragging about there cars.

If you didnt like his thread you should have taken it to PM!!!!

If i provoked someone like you did (TWICE) then i would expect to be abused like that.

[|N|]

all of u take a chill pill and dance with me...

[Felix]

all of u take a chill pill and dance with me...

LOL i only dance horizontally! and thats with my missus only.

[tRipitaka]

if i dance with you, wouldn't it be against TLD terms and conditions ?
therefore banning you from your own team ? :p

[Calvo]

Just because its of no interest to u Jinrai, doesnt mean no one else cares. For those of us that kno Murat, we may actually care.

Murat is a good bloke who has always beem nice to everyone who has met him.

[JINRAI]

I'm entitled to my comments as well, we have enough useless threads here, it is not my fault he can't control his temper. Public abuse in any forum should not be tolerated. I'm done defending myself for my actions.

If anyone feels otherwise (which is obvious) please feel free to PM Wyn or Ben about it.

P.S. Relax, its only a 7 day ban. He can start a whole new thread braggin about his car then (without swearing)

[panda[cRx]]

next time kelv worry about moderating the integra section, it needs as much help as it can get lol

[Q_ball]

^Your comments are uncalled for is my point!
The comments that you directed to him prior to him retaliating can be deemed as abusive as well!

[Felix]

Jinrai i believe you should check the terms and conditions yourself! clause - 5b . I think your comments might fit under Harrassing, abusive, and offensive.

Even other mods think you are out of line JinRAI...

[Calvo]

I'm entitled to my comments as well, we have enough useless threads here, it is not my fault he can't control his temper. Public abuse in any forum should not be tolerated. I'm done defending myself for my actions.

If anyone feels otherwise (which is obvious) please feel free to PM Wyn or Ben about it.

P.S. Relax, its only a 7 day ban. He can start a whole new thread braggin about his car then (without swearing)
Mate, thats not the point. Who cares about his 7 day ban, its the principal behind it. Thats not the attitude to have, "just ban ppl for the hell of it, meh its only 7 days."

[tRipitaka]

Public abuse in any forum should not be tolerated.
you abused him first.


He can start a whole new thread braggin about his car then
but won't you abuse him again ? then ban him for retaliating ?


(without swearing)
he only swore as soon as you provoked him the second time.

[philBo]

but jinrai, u deliberatly stirred him up!
it started off fine man, he was meerly telling every1 he had sold his car.
its the lounge, hes allowed to, 90+% of threads in the lounge are pointless!
sure the way he responded was unnecessary, but you are a mod, if u didnt like the person or feel the thread had any sort of point to it, you shoulda jst clicked to the next thread!

well said...the guy was clearly sharing his joy of selling his car and getting an M3. hell..if anyone got a car like that i'm sure they wouldve been in a similar position...

clearly a case of hypocrisy here...:thumbdwn:

[Q_ball]

you abused him first.


but won't you abuse him again ? then ban him for retaliating ?


he only swore as soon as you provoked him the second time.
marry me trip!
we agree on so many things son!!

[mr_mojo02]

i agree guys.. this place has gone to hell in the last 6 months. Doesnt matter what thread gets started theres negativity in there somewhere!

Mate ur a mod.. get over yourself and do your job!

[Felix]

I say - ozhonda boycott!
LOL

[EK9]

Scrolling through the lounge, every bloody topic is locked. Isnt it called "The Lounge" for a reason?
You could c where the thread was goin, that's y i locked it.... i knew if someone wanted to discuss it further, they woulda opened a thread here. and here we are...

Anyway, i can't say i agree 100% wif wot JINRAI did, but he's done it already and if anyone wants to dispute it in anyway, pm him or Wynode. Feel free to discuss it, that's cool.

BUT i don't think the majority of members here understand that the dozen or so mods that take the time to browse these boards and try to keep everything in order do a great job. I'm not braggin or anything, but most of the work we do goes unnoticed, yet wen something goes wrong, everyone whines about it.

Why does it seem so bad the last couple months? Cos now there's more to moderate... hundreds more posts per day, thousands of members... You can't blame the mods for how the forum is turning out recently. More members + more posts + more time = a forum with information overload. That's y when so many topics are repeated or new members don't search, we close them. And that's also y we've opened the Noob section...

Step back and take a look... this forum is FREE. We don't profit from anything, nor does Win. If some ppl don't like it here, easy... close your browser window. We are here to help, so don't expect perfection... we try our best, and i stand by that.

At the end of the day, if Win or any other mods don't agree with wot Jinrai has done, we will work it out. But sorry, it's not like we're gonna give ya a refund or anything... if u know wot i mean.

[Q_ball]

I perfectly understand everything that uve said their EK9, and i agree with it all!
But it comes down to one thing in my opinion, and to a lot of other members im sure...and that is you'd expect a much more civil response from a moderator!!

[Felix]

you'd expect a much more civil response from a moderator!!

YEP!.

[Calvo]

EK9, well said mate.

unfortunately thats how things work. like cops, they catch criminals, keep us safe etc. then one day one cop says something like "*** i hate ..." or goes and bashes someone, everyone will then be outraged at not just him, but all cops...

The mods do a mighty fine job here, im sure ppl agree, but some are just out of line and as Q_ball said, u would expect a more responsible reply from a mod.

[luzinit]

clearly a public warning should've been made before he was banned.
jinrai U stirred him twice & then u're questioning the point of his thread? wtf, its in the LOUNGE, nothing in there is relevant to every other person. if u aint interested, dont reply, simple. i hear u vinh, in that u guys do a job and its unnoticed, but dont get me wrong, it most definitely is noticed. esp in regards to how ozhonda as a community is regarded by other forums and alike.

seriously, an outburst like that from jinrai just makes me wanna abuse him and stop using this site.

[Calvo]

seriously, an outburst like that from jinrai just makes me wanna abuse him and stop using this site.
hehe, u aint the only one bro. :)

[chunky]

exactly u wont tolerate that shiet so y r u doin it??

[yfin]

Relax guys - no one is perfect and moderators are only human.

We have a moderator section where we discuss these sorts of issues and if there are lessons to be learned they will be.

Anyway, thanks for raising your concerns Calvo. Ozhonda is only as good as its membership so I hope you stick around.

[zorrt]

I totally agree with you Calvo.!

Why wasn't Jinrai banned aswell for his comments?

we all know mods dont get banned just like cops dont get fines....

and you guys talk about PM a mod if we have a problem, I did once regarding forums rules, I get no reply :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: so I got over it.

I'm not saying all the mods are bad tho cuz there are a few who actually does their job properly so good for you!

[faijai]

shit piss **** **** cocksucking mother****ing whore

[2MPRSS]

murats my cuzin he was on my computer when he typed that in, and he did swap his car for a M3 with NO cash on top,

[bennjamin]

as the inhouse nazi here.....i actually feel that wasnt justified at all.

It was almost entrapment...JINRAI pushed alittle too much and waited for a negative response. In the past , i have copped a fair amount of flack and dished it out but its mostly kept to PM , and also kept most threads open to give the person time to repsond in a mature way (if they can)

That wasnt cool at all. JINRAI should sit back and rethink application of "power".
BTW ~ lets keep it constructive and open to any opinions etc ! DONT reply with dribble like " stupid mods only help friends and cant get fines like cops?!"

[2MPRSS]

that guy isnt murat bro and i dont think he is related either

[Zdster]

we all know mods dont get banned just like cops dont get fines....

and you guys talk about PM a mod if we have a problem, I did once regarding forums rules, I get no reply :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: so I got over it.

I'm not saying all the mods are bad tho cuz there are a few who actually does their job properly so good for you!

Two things. Firstly, we were still discussing this issue between the mods and yet you went ahead and posted anyway. The second point is that you PMed a mod who was not involved/did not have any knowledge of the previous situation. How were they supposed to respond then?

[chunky]

Two things. Firstly, we were still discussing this issue between the mods and yet you went ahead and posted anyway. The second point is that you PMed a mod who was not involved/did not have any knowledge of the previous situation. How were they supposed to respond then?
Lyk this:
Umm bro wtf r u talkin about??

[panda[cRx]]

shhhhh the grown ups are talking!!

chunks that was a pointless post and you know it. keep in on topic boys and girls...and chunky

[chunky]

lol Hey!!
oh yea i forgot this isnt the lounge

[Q_ball]

I think we've all said enough about the situation as members...lets jst leave it up to the mods to decide what to do with Jinrai and whether or not he should remain a mod.
Case closed really, our concern about the issue has now been raised, lets jst drop this and move on!

[poid]

as the inhouse nazi here.....i actually feel that wasnt justified at all.

....

That wasnt cool at all. JINRAI should sit back and rethink application of "power".


Ben you've copped some flak in the past, but you're actually one o fthe more level-headed mods on here so its nice to see you give an honest opinion.

Jinrai should be removed as a moderator, simple as that...while i dont know TRMN8A from a bar of soap what i do know is that he is active on a number of forums etc and his treatment here by Jinrai will be spread on other forums. A moderator has to level headed and demostrate good judgement, something Jinrai obviously lacks.

Its a case of protecting what integrity Ozhonda has left...many people are already disgruntled at some of the stuff that goes on here and i have noticed that a lot of the original members simply dont post very much anymore...

[yfin]

Jinrai should be removed as a moderator, simple as that...

That isn't constructive and fair on Jinrai. Not everyone is perfect and this isn't the Apprentice show where one mistake and Donald Trump says "you're fired".

Enough of this public lynching. Give the guy a break - if you have never made a mistake in your life that is great for you.

[tRipitaka]

aren't moderators supposed to be beneficial and assist in maintaining the forum, as well as being a role model for other users ?
how is provoking another member, then banning them for retaliating, a good example for other users ?

yfin, do you honestly think banning someone is a mistake ? i'm sure it takes a bit of thinking before actually clicking those few buttons.
if it was a "mis-click" then sure, that's a mistake.. but obviously this wasnt.

[Q_ball]

Yfin, i know that not everyone is perfect and what not, and i feel that this discussion about the issue has gone on for long enuf!
I meerly added that lil bit in there for i know that theres a lot of other disgruntled members out there who are thinking it.
I personally couldn't care less whos moderator and whos not, for it doesnt really affect my time ere on the forums.
The moderators that i chat and deal with on a regular basis here in sydney and melb are great!
Im jst voicing wats being thought out by others.

[J-MuN]

That isn't constructive and fair on Jinrai. Not everyone is perfect and this isn't the Apprentice show where one mistake and Donald Trump says "you're fired".

Enough of this public lynching. Give the guy a break - if you have never made a mistake in your life that is great for you.Well said.

aren't moderators supposed to be beneficial and assist in maintaining the forum, as well as being a role model for other users ?
how is provoking another member, then banning them for retaliating, a good example for other users ?

yfin, do you honestly think banning someone is a mistake ? i'm sure it takes a bit of thinking before actually clicking those few buttons.
if it was a "mis-click" then sure, that's a mistake.. but obviously this wasnt.So if any moderator makes a mistake, then they should lose the position as moderator? Think about what you're saying there bonGalong. If that's true, then why the fock is bennjamin still a mod? :rolleyes: (no offense ben, just using you as an example).

[tRipitaka]

So if any moderator makes a mistake, then they should lose the position as moderator? Think about what you're saying there bonGalong. If that's true, then why the fock is bennjamin still a mod? :rolleyes: (no offense ben, just using you as an example).
the thing is, kelv banned him because of a personal attack that he provoked. i don't see ben doing that to others..
plus ben's practically a co-owner of this site.. owners don't get banned or demodded.

[J-MuN]

the thing is, kelv banned him because of a personal attack that he provoked. i don't see ben doing that to others..
plus ben's practically a co-owner of this site.. owners don't get banned or demodded.but if we all sign a petition then maybe we can get wyn to. . .

nah i'm just playing ben. :wave:

[poid]

That isn't constructive and fair on Jinrai. Not everyone is perfect and this isn't the Apprentice show where one mistake and Donald Trump says "you're fired".


its not about being perfect, its about knowing your responsibilities as a moderator. I was a mod on a much larger forum than this, and in a very similar instance the offending mod was immediately removed, as this was the one course of action that allows the site management to retain its credibility. The last thing you want is for a forums mods to be known as "nazis" who will use their powers whenever they choose without consequence.

Its a case of having to put the welfare abd image of the forum as a whole above the feelings of a mod who quite clearly abused his power in both his original reply to the thread and then dealing with the member he incited.

[Q_ball]

its not about being perfect, its about knowing your responsibilities as a moderator. I was a mod on a much larger forum than this, and in a very similar instance the offending mod was immediately removed, as this was the one course of action that allows the site management to retain its credibility. The last thing you want is for a forums mods to be known as "nazis" who will use their powers whenever they choose without consequence.

Its a case of having to put the welfare abd image of the forum as a whole above the feelings of a mod who quite clearly abused his power in both his original reply to the thread and then dealing with the member he incited.
Correct, so lets leave it to the moderators to discuss! :)

[yfin]

You guys are definately harder than me. You guys want blood!

[JINRAI]

ill be still coming on the OZHONDA cruises still. so you guys dont think that im to good 4 u now lol ;) :p .

i was provoked by the comment above...maybe taking it too personal but everyone reads into things differently, and that was the reason for my comments after which was non agressive non abusive...simply saying...i really dont care for his thread.


F%ck youuuuu C%NT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this comment however with all the exclamation marks is uncalled for...if everyone here agrees with him then it shows the kind of mentality which to me is unacceptable.

again i stress...its not my fault he could not control his temper :)

so 1 ban(lets say it was a mistake as a new mod) is abusing my power as mod? i think thats abit harsh...well its easy to comment on others but always try to put yourselves in the other persons shoes

[Q_ball]

You guys are definately harder than me. You guys want blood!
To be perfectly honest, im cool with jst a stern talking to!
But in saying that, u do realise not acting upon this will jst stir up even more controversy amongst the members, thus creating a rather un-unified forum!

[tRipitaka]

so 1 ban(lets say it was a mistake as a new mod) is abusing my power as mod? i think thats abit harsh...well its easy to comment on others but always try to put yourselves in the other persons shoes
but couldn't you just pm with a warning ?

but don't you think it's harsh to ban someone who has been provoked ?

if this were two normal members (no mods involved), they'd both be banned for abusing each other (take bede and adam for example) but in this case, it's a david and goliath battle..

there's two sides to every story.. and unfortunately, you're on the wrong side.

[yfin]

Mistake made - lesson learned. I don't see why it can't be left at that tRipitaka.

I am sure you will be watching Jinrai like a hawk from now on - so if you are concerned about something you see you can always PM Wynode or create another thread like this to crucify him again. Somehow I think you will choose the latter approach.

[z3lda]

i was provoked by the comment above...maybe taking it too personal but everyone reads into things differently, and that was the reason for my comments after which was non agressive non abusive...simply saying...i really dont care for his thread.



this comment however with all the exclamation marks is uncalled for...if everyone here agrees with him then it shows the kind of mentality which to me is unacceptable.

again i stress...its not my fault he could not control his temper :)

so 1 ban(lets say it was a mistake as a new mod) is abusing my power as mod? i think thats abit harsh...well its easy to comment on others but always try to put yourselves in the other persons shoes

2nd post of the thread.


wtf? u cant be serious starting a thread for this? talk about lovin yourself abit too much

4th post of the thread.



ok whatever...nobody gives a shit


in no way did he target you or asked for your 2cents.

[tRipitaka]

I don't see why it can't be left at that tRipitaka.

i thought this was in site discussion

[TheFranchise]

after reading through this thread...it brought back memories from PA.com

i've stopped posting there because of members thinking they are top shit...not necessarily mods....

hopefully all this gets sorted out soon...coz i want a friendly and helpful forum to post on....not to come online and watch cyber heros start thread wars....

[yfin]

i thought this was in site discussion

Surely you must understand what I am saying? The guy made a mistake - his post says so. But that isn't enough for you. You want more - quizzing him why he couldn't PM - you want him to admit it is harsh, blah blah.

What is the point of that apart from making the guy feel like crap? I just think it is only fair for you to let it go.

[tRipitaka]

as J-MuN stated


General posting conditions (for all sections of the forum)


Members who submit posts are solely responsible for their own posts, and agree not to include any content that:

(b) is unlawful, defamatory, libellous, threatening, abusive, offensive, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, dangerous, knowingly false, harassing, sexually oriented, racist, or invasive of an individual's privacy;

and he did that as a moderator.. i just feel that as a moderator you should be more responsible.. and i just let him know how i felt..

anyways, i'm done with what i have to say.. i'll do what u said and "let it go" and let other people take care of it..

[Q_ball]

^trip, so long as they kno wat we're concerned about, thats all we can really do!
lets leave it to the mods now!

[dc2dc2dc2]

wow...just got online...ozhonda is spiralling into a big big hole...lowest point in OH history y0 ! i also rekon jinrai went a tad too far for banning the poor kid....i've seen much much much stupider threads open than that one...

perhaps a mod couldv'e just moved the thread to intro or something. Good to see mr. trippa worked up . :)

whats done is done....just let it go and move on learn from ur mistakes to be a better mod.

[Calvo]

Jinrai should be removed as a moderator, simple as that...while i dont know TRMN8A from a bar of soap what i do know is that he is active on a number of forums etc and his treatment here by Jinrai will be spread on other forums. A moderator has to level headed and demostrate good judgement, something Jinrai obviously lacks.

Its a case of protecting what integrity Ozhonda has left...many people are already disgruntled at some of the stuff that goes on here and i have noticed that a lot of the original members simply dont post very much anymore...
well said pete.

u need to show that u are serious about making a OzHonda a better place for all, wtf is the point of following "rules" wen if u break them, all u get is a slap on the hand... he has to deal with the consequences of his actions, as much as murat had to.

[vtec_jet]

ok .... this is a 2 sided battle which doesnt have an end...... from 1 point we go to anutha point and it just makes the situation worse and more confusing.... i think if anyone were to look at thread in first glance and put ur selves in JINRAI's shoez AND receive a totally unexpected outburst like that... you would just deem it UNACCEPTABLE ..... however being provoked and taunted i can understand how much somebody would be fuming with anger when merely starting a thread to tell everyone abotu their new car ..... JINRAI seemed to take a few of his comments provoking and himself in a personal manner and im sure ANYONE here who wuld take somthing persoanlly will not just sit bak and do nothing about it ... like i said it just keeps evolving around and around... us members have spoken and the modz will discuss it ..... moderators are carefully chosen and can make mistakes ... wat JINRAI did was not a mistake just merely looked at it as a breach of rules... and most of agree that JINRAI broke rules too however nothing compared to an obscene outburst like that ... i wuldnt accept and neither would you ... i fairly think that a 7 day ban is a way of saying hey look u went too far and went bout it the wrong way ... (like sitting in the corner and thinkin bout wat you did) ... most of yous have very valid points on this topic and im very glad to see that most of us can distinguish wrong from right and add ur 2 cents just to let the mods know how important it is for yous to know the system is fair..... its not settled and i feel there more to come ... all in all i think the best thing would be to just learn from this ... JINRAI may ave been in the wrong however the penalty issued was not harsh for the obscenety we witnessed on the thread...

ive said wat i needed 2 say....
my 2 cents.. Solo..

[Rico]

I'd just like to have my little say that jinrai did act a bit extreme, like i said in the thread if you stir someone whatta u rekon will happen? 50% wont do nething while the other percent will blast at you, I believe trmn8a didnt deserve the ban. I know several times I've abused one particular mod as he provoked things but everytime I was PM'd by other members telling me to edit it otherwise I'd be banned for sure, even if I was in the right.

Another thing I agreed with the locking of threads, srsly nearly every thread gets locked, some call for some good discussion and what happens? A mod locks it thinking "its going knowhere" where in fact it hasn't, so many times this has happened and so many times has this pissed me off when some of the most interesting topics are locked cause a mod believes its wrong, even if it isnt breaching any forum rules.

Plus I noticed alot of tension between members in the forum I've been wanting to say this but alot of the members here are stuck up snobs, this is a community forum, I believe the belief in 'JDM' has destroyed this forums reputation and believe me it has, (knowing what other people from other forums talk about), alot of the members dont respect any one who's car isnt in the JDM style, you see it always, just look in Shoguns thread or many others, members take out personal attacks just cause a car isnt JDM, grow up, variety is what makes life. Now this is what all the contradictions begin. Members respond with negative opinions and comments then mods say watch your mouth, then members say they have a right of speech and vice versa and it gets messy, i really cbf continuing on the whole JDM issue other than I think some members should grow up and accept other styles of car, I know a couple of members who dont wont to post up anything to do with their cars because they know the JDM boys will attack them. And no I dont hate JDM, its my favourite style of modding cars.
:thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:

[J-MuN]

Another thing I agreed with the locking of threads, srsly nearly every thread gets locked, some call for some good discussion and what happens? A mod locks it thinking "its going knowhere" where in fact it hasn't, so many times this has happened and so many times has this pissed me off when some of the most interesting topics are locked cause a mod believes its wrong, even if it isnt breaching any forum rules.
I believe it's good to see more threads being locked. Recently, the amount of bs threads have been ridiculous. I'm not sure if some of the other older members have realised but we never used to have as much useless/not really worthy threads back in the days and you'd hardly see threads being locked or deleted. It seems as if whenever anyone finds something new on the net, no matter what it is, they feel it is extremely necessary to post it up. I noticed alot of the older members have stop posting in the forum too.

[Rico]

I'm not talking about BS threads, be my guest close, delete whatever but some threads like I remember a thread a month or two or 3 ago about someones opinions on a movie they just saw, and the thread asked for alot of discussion on the movie, hell I just saw it and wanted to discuss it, however it was locked, for no apparent reason. I'm pretty much saying that some threads call for alot of interesting discussion, it shits me when that discussion begins and just when it gets interesting a mod comes along and locks it.

Not saying this happens often, but it did before someone voiced their concerns about the state of the lounge area with 70% threads locke back in the day when panda had his locking fit. Now its relatively low down but still some interesting topics do get locked for off topic reasons. The lounge is meant for discussion, who really cares if its not up to forum standards or whatever, I'm sure older members left the forum not because of what was posted in the lounge but more so what was posted in other forums and what I believe to be a main factor, members attitudes.

[Sir_vtec]

as earlier... yfin informed us that theres alot of work going behind curtains and its tiring cleaning up the boards and i see where ur coming from as im a mod myself in another forum but if its so much work then there needs to be a new mod in place to cater for excess work and sure someone who could behave like a mod.

[panda[cRx]]

lol @ my 'locking fit'

as moderators we just follow the terms and conditions and the guidlines given to us (well we should anyway)

i've locked plenty of threads which i would prefer to leave open but i don't really see it as my choice if it it breaking the T&C.

the ones that get locked that aren't breaking the T&C are usually ones that have been destroyed by personal attacks or off topic spam.... or it's something that has been posted a gazillion times.

no matter what we do we will have people saying we are moderating too much or not enough, we try to walk that tightrope in between.
mods aren't perfect, far from perfect at all.... just like everyone else here. there is so much utter crap posted and i feel the majority of time the mods to a good job of keeping it all in check

instead of holding it all in then having a cry about it, if a mod makes a decision which you believe to be wrong PM THEM.
i know i am open to any pm's regarding moderating concerns, i'm sure the other mods are the same :thumbsup:

[SiReal]

I too have been a member ofr a while now, reading posts long before I even signed up and it is true the past 6 mths have been somewhat controversial...

I can feel mods are becoming harsher with less tolerance and in saying so, I believe it is also justified, with the new "Gen Zs" of OH coming on in droves. What we need to do is come back to reality and follow the age old rule that your parents taught you. "Think before you do".

Think about what you're doing AND
Think about the consequences

I may not agree with every decision made, but if OH wasn't as stringently moderated, what would become of this site?

Good job mods.

[LVNIT]

Poid summed it up nicely with what should happen, moderators should follow the Ozhonda terms and conditions and be the ones to set the example.

And to quite simply put it, if you dont like the rules, then dont come on here. I dont mind that the moderators have been a bit tougher on the latest weenors to have come on this site, some of the crap that comes out of peoples mouths is a joke.

While im here, do something about the forced induction subsection, the amount of mouthing off that goes on there is stupid ffs.

[Zdster]

As Panda stated. I am open to any constructive feedback/criticism and will take that information on board. The mods have a seperate area where issues are raised and discussed and this assists the entire site to run more smoothly and operate as a community forum. Personally, if people continue to have concerns I am sure that we as a community would like to have them raised and attempt to deal with them.

[Paul1985]

Originally Posted by Ozhonda Terms and Conditions
General posting conditions (for all sections of the forum)


Members who submit posts are solely responsible for their own posts, and agree not to include any content that:

(b) is unlawful, defamatory, libellous, threatening, abusive, offensive, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, dangerous, knowingly false, harassing, sexually oriented, racist, or invasive of an individual's privacy;

Wouldnt telling someone they love themself fall under harassment?
It obviously offended the bloke. His response broke more rules and was unnecesary, so i think both are too blame for this. I think both deservered warnings IMO. Maybe the ban released with a warning, and maybe a warning for jinrai from another mod? im not sure

I think he was just excited that he got a new car and wanted to share with others.. Hell, id be excited if i got a bmw :)

Just expressing my opinions on the topic

[_CiVIC_]

After reading all these posts, and even referring back to the thread in the lounge, its pretty evident TRMN8A was stirred by JINRAI... I'm not sure if JINRAI has a personal vendetta against this other guy or what, but I am pretty sure TRMN8A didn't deserve to have a smart-alec remark made back to him trying to criticise what he posted. Frankly I believe it should be a two way street, not only TRMN8A should have been banned but also JINRAI as well, even though he is a mod. There should be equal treatment, thats what I think we are all crying out for... I'll speak on behalf of many when I say "where are our rights?"

peace.

[Calvo]

...alot of the members dont respect any one who's car isnt in the JDM style...I think some members should grow up and accept other styles of car...
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

People just need to look over the fence and see other ppls perspectives. If we were all to become JDM whores, the car modding scene would be so bloody boring...

[dark138]

it doesn't matter whether one person was stirred by another. In a court of law, if you killed someone because they "provoked" you doesn't mean you will get a lesser sentence. (you only get a lesser sentence because you had a good lawyer).

It comes down to the individual to control their temper and emotions.

[CiVIC] your rights as a member still stands, ozhonda is a free service and you can't forget that. you can make constructive comments to try and make this place better. you are not forced to use this free service.

Now this is my personal opinion so feel free to reply constructivly. Sadly, alot of members here are still kids. and i m sure most of more senior members here will agree as they've gone through this stage already. And with a forum, it is what its members. It is sad to see some other forums are laughing at ozhonda for some of the dumbest posts ever created. Recently i've noticed ozhonda have lost its goals and aim. It used to be a resourceful online hang out with alot of people showing respect for each other and helping each other before shouting "n00b" "seach before you post", but i reckon its turning out to be one big spam thread
(market place excluded of course):thumbsup:

[Q_ball]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

People just need to look over the fence and see other ppls perspectives. If we were all to become JDM whores, the car modding scene would be so bloody boring...
How i love your work!!

But once again, I plead to everyone, lets drop this issue, let the mods do their job now!
Our concerns have been voiced enough!

Peace y0!

[dark138]

btw

doesn't the spotted thread in the lounge total make contradiction to this clause?

(f) disclose details about another member such as name, address, phone number, email address, vehicle registration (or any other personal information) without their prior consent;

[2MPRSS]

queer ball for mod ;) VOTE YES 005

[Q_ball]

queer ball for mod ;) VOTE YES 005
I love you also Omar ;)

[SukMeiDik]

Originally Posted by TRMN8A
ill be still coming on the OZHONDA cruises still. so you guys dont think that im to good 4 u now lol ;) :p .

Hey JINRAE. Have another read and check whats at the end of the post ya knob.
"lol;) :p ". Can't ya tell he was joking.

Maybe everyone should come over to OZACCORD.COM http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/ (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/) and be free to speak their mind with out being Moderated like a Nazi Camp. We're pretty easy over there, We like to take the piss out of each other as well. Just No Racial Wars or Religious Preaching allowed. You'd have to be a total f.ucking tool to get banned. Sort of like this JINRAE knob. :)

Man, I must be losing my touch, this is embarrasing, I thought i'd be banned by now.
Wel I've already had one post deleted by the the Hypocrits that Mod the Joints.

BTW: I vote for a Sticky!!!!

Oh Yeah here's our rules.

OzAccords Posting Rules & Regulations!!
Just to help clarify things, when Starting A Thread, could you please Start the Thread Title with the Specific Title, then what you want to discuss or Questions you want answered. Then write the Main Subject matter in the main Message Area.

Please NO Thread Titles like "WTF?" , "HUH?", "NOOB QUESTION?", "I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING" or "FUNNY NOISE?"

If you are not sure of what you need to ask, Categorise it as UNKNOWN:
Then we can Categorise it for you once we've interpreted the post.

If any posts are accidentally titled incorrectly they may be Retitled & Re-Categorised for you.

When asking for diagnosis of a problem, please give as much info as possible to what has happened, What is happening now and what you have done so far to try and fix it. Otherwise you will leave yourself open to Flaming/Pisstaking.

Please make your questions as clear and grammatically correct as possible. Please use Spaces, Commas & Apostrophes where possible. So it can be deciphered OK.
All this is to assist everyone when searching for answers.

If threads are considered of High Importance then they may be Stickied upon request.

Intentional FLAMING, ABUSE or RACIAL VILIFICATION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
Posts that are considered excessively offensive WILL BE CLOSED AND MAY BE DELETED.
Any derogatory comments about Honda Accords are TOTALY UNACCEPTABLE. Continued Abuse of Honda Accords will result in Sitting in the Naughty Corner or Permanent Banishment from the Community.

Lighthearted Joking, Shit Stirring & Pisstaking is Acceptable when signed off with a smiley.
I hope you have an enjoyable stay here at the "Asylum for the ACCORDINGLY Insane".


MOST IMPORTANTLY -

PLEASE! SEARCH FIRST !!

Cheers
OzAccord Moderator Team

[LVNIT]

Yea nice constructive post there mate

[Q_ball]

HAHAHA
rather humorous imo :D

[SukMeiDik]

Yea nice constructive post there mate

Yeah Thanks Champ, your positive comments are appreciated. You're really brainstorming now.:confused:

BTW: I wouldn't know this Murat bloke is if I tripped over him in a pub, or JINRAE for that matter, but what kind of pussy bans a bloke for responding appropriately when clearly provoked.
Here's my take on this JINRAE pussy.
He's the type of weak prick that when he's with a bunch of blokes he mouths off at someone, f.ucks off and hides in the shithouse and leaves the fighting to all the other blokes. Comes back after all the fightings done and two weeks later brags about how he fixed them blokes up.

Hey Calvo, this threads doin alright mate. Over 40 replys and it's still open. Must be a record for these blokes.

[jackosimm]

Is there any need for that sort of reponse? Replies like that will get it closed, completelty pointless

[- MAR10 -]

Yeah Thanks Champ, your positive comments are appreciated. You're really brainstorming now.:confused:

BTW: I wouldn't know this Murat bloke is if I tripped over him in a pub, or JINRAE for that matter, but what kind of pussy bans a bloke for responding appropriately when clearly provoked.
Here's my take on this JINRAE pussy.
He's the type of weak prick that when he's with a bunch of blokes he mouths off at someone, f.ucks off and hides in the shithouse and leaves the fighting to all the other blokes. Comes back after all the fightings done and two weeks later brags about how he fixed them blokes up.

Hey Calvo, this threads doin alright mate. Over 40 replys and it's still open. Must be a record for these blokes.


Yeh i totally agree...

JINRAE ur asking for it when u start doing that sort of shit....

Sukmeidik knows what hes talking about, unlike some of these other mods.

[Bownce]

always try to put yourselves in the other persons shoes


I did, and as a mod I would never tell someone I dont care for what they say. Especially for something so miniscule.

Sorry mate

[Zdster]

Yeah Thanks Champ, your positive comments are appreciated. You're really brainstorming now.:confused:

BTW: I wouldn't know this Murat bloke is if I tripped over him in a pub, or JINRAE for that matter, but what kind of pussy bans a bloke for responding appropriately when clearly provoked.
Here's my take on this JINRAE pussy.
He's the type of weak prick that when he's with a bunch of blokes he mouths off at someone, f.ucks off and hides in the shithouse and leaves the fighting to all the other blokes. Comes back after all the fightings done and two weeks later brags about how he fixed them blokes up.

Hey Calvo, this threads doin alright mate. Over 40 replys and it's still open. Must be a record for these blokes.

I find it intersting that as a mod. on another forum you find it acceptable to come onto other boards just to infuriate the situation (and yes muzz I have read the thread on ozaccord and according to our site T&C's you are not allowed to have more than one account).

As I stated earlier, as a community we are all happy to hear CONSTRUCTIVE criticism that can be acted upon for the benefit of the community.

[- MAR10 -]

I find it intersting that as a mod. on another forum you find it acceptable to come onto other boards just to infuriate the situation (and yes muzz I have read the thread on ozaccord and according to our site T&C's you are not allowed to have more than one account).

As I stated earlier, as a community we are all happy to hear CONSTRUCTIVE criticism that can be acted upon for the benefit of the community.

mate wat the hell is that? I have the right to have my opinion on anything, it just so happened I agreed with sukmeidik, so is that what you call 'unfuriating' a situation??? It is not infuriating a situation, it is stating an opinion in which I am entitled to.

wat the hell r u talking about more than one account? I only have one account and it is this???


Mate im sorry but this website is losin' it... No wonder every1 is giving u guys shit.

[SukMeiDik]

Is there any need for that sort of reponse?

Ummm! Yes cause no one else has got the balls to say what they want without fear of reprisals from the Rogue Nazi Mods. It's a free ****ry isn't it.;)


Replies like that will get it closed, completelty pointless

SFW, The Rogue Mods like banning people for petty shit because it's a power trip for them. If they keep going there will be no one to moderate, If there's no one to moderate, they're out of a job and their whole fantasy world of power comes crashing down. They're going to end up eradicating themselves. That's how stupid they are.
Remember always be nice to the "Arseholes" on the way up, because you will be kissing the same "Arseholes" on the way back down.
The whole point behind my posts is letting the Mods know that they're not f.ucking bulletproof. The peasants have the power but if they are too piss weak to stand up for themselves they deserve everything they get. If us peasants have to abide by the rules, so do the Mods, other wise the joint gets run like a NSW Government Bureaucracy, full of self serving Nazi's. If they ban my arse or close the threads, so be it, that's their choice, but it will just prove my point and there are plenty other ways for me to get my view across. Thank you and good night. Peace be with you.:angel:

-SMD-

[NeRV]

MAR10 but Zdster quoted Sukmeidik... not you!.... anywaiz this thing has gotten out of hand and its old now... so get over it everyone... im sure the mods will deal with JINRAI...

[Zdster]

mate wat the hell is that? I have the right to have my opinion on anything, it just so happened I agreed with sukmeidik, so is that what you call 'unfuriating' a situation??? It is not infuriating a situation, it is stating an opinion in which I am entitled to.

wat the hell r u talking about more than one account? I only have one account and it is this???


Mate im sorry but this website is losin' it... No wonder every1 is giving u guys shit.

I am not saying agreeing with sukmeidik is "infuriating" the situation, rather signing up yesterday just to provoke the situation is infuriating what is taking place. Amazing . . .

[LVNIT]

Yeah Thanks Champ, your positive comments are appreciated. You're really brainstorming now.:confused:

BTW: I wouldn't know this Murat bloke is if I tripped over him in a pub, or JINRAE for that matter, but what kind of pussy bans a bloke for responding appropriately when clearly provoked.
Here's my take on this JINRAE pussy.
He's the type of weak prick that when he's with a bunch of blokes he mouths off at someone, f.ucks off and hides in the shithouse and leaves the fighting to all the other blokes. Comes back after all the fightings done and two weeks later brags about how he fixed them blokes up.

Hey Calvo, this threads doin alright mate. Over 40 replys and it's still open. Must be a record for these blokes.

Lol no worries mate ;)

How about stop the crap like 'JINRAE pussy', your not even a member on this site mate and I fcuken doubt you even know the bloke.

The problem isnt with the moderators of this site and I am not saying this was Murats fault, because it wasn't. Its the amount of immature newcomers that come on this site, start their bullshiit threads or put in two sentences of crap when they have no fcuken idea what they are talking about.

Edit: its funny the amount of noobs callin this site crap, youse dont even have a clue

[- MAR10 -]

I am not saying agreeing with sukmeidik is "infuriating" the situation, rather signing up yesterday just to provoke the situation is infuriating what is taking place. Amazing . . .

once again u speak of my opinion to be 'provocative'. if ur speaking on behalf of your fellow 'mods', you would be called a hypocrite. I think rather than trying to answer what everyone is complaining about, perhaps you should DO something about it. I find it disgusting how you cannot accept one's opinion, isn't that what the forums are all about?


rather signing up yesterday

doesnt matter when i signed up??? I still have an opinion no matter how long I have been a member of this forum???


what a joke...

[Zdster]

once again u speak of my opinion to be 'provocative'. if ur speaking on behalf of your fellow 'mods', you would be called a hypocrite. I think rather than trying to answer what everyone is complaining about, perhaps you should DO something about it. I find it disgusting how you cannot accept one's opinion, isn't that what the forums are all about?



doesnt matter when i signed up??? I still have an opinion no matter how long I have been a member of this forum???


what a joke...

I see. So it would be completly acceptable to say sign up to OzAccord, spend 10 seconds looking at posts and determine that the site is a waste of time. I think most would agree that that is 'provocative' - "that is a joke".

As I have claimed throughout this thread, if you have a SERIOUS issue, then raise the issue and suggest an appropriate way to deal with it. I completly accept your opinion (as I do with other members) however jumping on a thread with no other posts on a forum and having signed up just a day ago does raise questions of your stance.

That amazes me.

[panda[cRx]]

doesnt matter when i signed up??? I still have an opinion no matter how long I have been a member of this forum???


well when you just signed up, only have 3 posts, all of them flaming ozhonda then YES

same goes for sukmeidik.

i have banned both users for obvious reasons. any issues with that PM me :wave:
it's time for you all to chill the f*ck out. the issue with jinrai is being delt with so there is no need to continue flaming him or other mods

move on, post responsibly and there shouldnt be any problems should there? :)

group hug everyone

[- MAR1O -]

I see. So it would be completly acceptable to say sign up to OzAccord, spend 10 seconds looking at posts and determine that the site is a waste of time. I think most would agree that that is 'provocative' - "that is a joke".

As I have claimed throughout this thread, if you have a SERIOUS issue, then raise the issue and suggest an appropriate way to deal with it. I completly accept your opinion (as I do with other members) however jumping on a thread with no other posts on a forum and having signed up just a day ago does raise questions of your stance.

That amazes me.


How do u know ive spent 10 seconds looking at posts? FYI i've been keeping a close view on this website for a while now, just havnt had the need to post... until now.

And yes, if you felt u wanted to say something in another forum, even it being your first post, why shudnt u be allowed to?

And FYI, I never labelled this site as a waste of time, I just felt it was disrespectful to attack me because I agreed with somebody else's opinion. Why blow things out of proportion for?

[zco]

ffs. he didnt attack you. he quoted that "suckme dick guy's" post.

if ozhonda had no lounge, then the traffic at this site would decrease by 90%
the only ppl that would use ozhonda would be the ppl that wanna learn a few things about honda's and find/give/ask for help.

[kyle]

Without the social interaction provided through web forums, then you may as well have a searchable database with articals, case studies and technical information on honda.

Like when a noob posts a question and gets flamed becuase he could of just searched. But if someone just quickley send him in the correct direction thats all that is needed, asking questions and getting answers is the basis of trust and what builds friendships.

Maybe a noob is looking for more than just technical help, but also for people he can trust and socialise with who have simular interests, something that isn't possible through a searchable database.

I dunno, I geuss what im trying to say is that JINRAR is a hypocrit and VTEC_JET wishes he was a mod.

[GEN46L]

As I stated earlier, as a community we are all happy to hear CONSTRUCTIVE criticism that can be acted upon for the benefit of the community.

Constructive criticism

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Constructive criticism is the process of offering valid and well-reasoned opinions about the work of others, usually involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one. In collaborative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration) work, this kind of criticism is often a valuable tool in raising and maintaining performance standards.

Because of the overuse of negative, nagging criticism, some people become defensive even when receiving constructive criticism given in a spirit of good will (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Good_will&action=edit). Constructive criticism is more likely to be accepted if the criticism is focused on the recipient's work or behavior. That is, personality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality) issues must be avoided as much as is possible. Critical thinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking) can help identify relevant issues to focus on.

Especially sensitive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_%28human%29) individuals may adopt a passive, defeated attitude if they view a situation as personal, pervasive, or permanent (see learned helplessness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness)). Others may adopt an aggressive response. In an online (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online) forum lacking face-to-face contact, constructive criticism can be easily misinterpreted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation) and online exchanges often spiral out of control, becoming flamewars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming). Effective interpersonal communication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpersonal_communication) skills can be helpful to assess the recipient's frame of mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindset). During initial exchanges or when encountering defensive individuals, effective criticism calls for softer language and inclusion of positive comments. When the recipient strongly identifies with contentious areas (such as politics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics) or religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion)), non-offensive criticism becomes challenging.

On the other hand, stronger language can sometimes break through a defensive shell. Further, many people (both as providers and even recipients of criticism) appreciate a blunt style. They see bluntness as honest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honesty) and efficient while viewing softer approaches as manipulative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipulation), condescending, tedious, or confining. Often, such people view stronger exchanges as lively and engaging.

Adopting the most effective style of criticism should be tempered by the cultural context (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context), the recipient's personality, and nature of the relationship between provider and recipient. To assess a situation, one should put out exploratory feelers and initially adopt a perceptive rather than judgmental attitude; conflict resolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_resolution) skills can be helpful.

As a recipient of criticism, one can benefit by focusing on the constructive elements of the criticism and by attributing charitable interpretations to those who use strong language. By adopting an open attitude to criticism, one can achieve greater personal growth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_growth) and help uncover blind spots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_spot). Alternatively, such openness may be subjected to ridicule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridicule) especially in a cynical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynic) or honor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor)-based culture.

So how is banning people for offering "Constructive Criticism" beneficial for this community.
They were expressing their "Bluntness" with "Stronger language" which is within the criteria of Constructive Criticism, which you say you welcome.???

[yfin]

it doesn't matter whether one person was stirred by another. In a court of law, if you killed someone because they "provoked" you doesn't mean you will get a lesser sentence. (you only get a lesser sentence because you had a good lawyer).

Not really worth mentioning - but I think you will find this is incorrect (ie that provocation is irrelevant in a murder trial). Provocation is a relevant sentencing consideration and in some states it can be a partial defence to a murder charge.

Back to this thread - I can't believe we have people from ozaccord signing up and spamming this thread and site now. That is so pathetic - especially when they attempt to claim the high moral ground on one hand - then try and ruin the site for everyone else. Valid concerns are always welcome - trying to incite people on other forums to sign up and spam this site is not.

If you are not happy with this site you can leave. It is as simple as that. Don't ruin it for people who want to stay.

[GEN46L]

That is so pathetic - especially when they attempt to claim the high moral ground on one hand - then try and ruin the site for everyone else. Valid concerns are always welcome - trying to incite people on other forums to sign up and spam this site is not.

If you are not happy with this site you can leave. It is as simple as that. Don't ruin it for people who want to stay.

Mate, that is the exact attitude that is ruining it here.
"If you don't do it our way you can leave"
Since when did Wyn die and leave the monkey's in charge of the Banana Farm.
From what I've seen some of the lesser Mods here are doing a perfect job at ruining it themselves by having this Nazi Attitude, and that's the WHOLE POINT to this thread.
Maybe it's time Wyn cleaned out the Mod closet???
This is a thread on "Site Discussion". What's Good for it, What's Bad for it.
You can't have one set of rules for members and another set of rules for the Mods.
The two spammers have been banned for expressing Free Speech within the confines of Constructive Criticism and also sticking up for an initial OZHONDA member, who invited them here.
Remember who prompted all this, I don't see the Mod being banned.
I suppose you are going to assert your "authority" again and I'm going to get banned because I had the balls to speak out against you.
Mate, being a pill won't gain respect.

BTW: Everyone is Welcome to come over to OZACCORD (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/index.php) and have an open opinion without fear of banning.

[JasonGilholme]

So what happened to Jinrai???

[yfin]

Mate, that is the exact attitude that is ruining it here.
"If you don't do it our way you can leave"
Since when did Wyn die and leave the monkey's in charge of the Banana Farm.
From what I've seen some of the lesser Mods here are doing a perfect job at ruining it themselves by having this Nazi Attitude, and that's the WHOLE POINT to this thread.
Maybe it's time Wyn cleaned out the Mod closet???
This is a thread on "Site Discussion". What's Good for it, What's Bad for it.
You can't have one set of rules for members and another set of rules for the Mods.
The two spammers have been banned for expressing Free Speech within the confines of Constructive Criticism and also sticking up for an initial OZHONDA member, who invited them here.
Remember who prompted all this, I don't see the Mod being banned.
I suppose you are going to assert your "authority" again and I'm going to get banned because I had the balls to speak out against you.
Mate, being a pill won't gain respect.

BTW: Everyone is Welcome to come over to OZACCORD (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/index.php) and have an open opinion without fear of banning.

There is no such thing as "free speech" in Australia. There is also no such thing as "free speech" on Ozhonda. There are rules that need to be followed. If you guys want to run ozaccord with no rules and "free speech" - that is great for you. Lets see how you go when you have 9000+ members (vs 66 members) all speaking at once.

I also don't need your respect. The 9 posts you have made on Ozhonda give me enough indication of your true colours - to do your best to ruin this site and promote another.

So are you sukmeidik (strange how you have the same IP address unique to only you and sukmedik) - and the mod F22-GURU on ozaccord? Isn't this what you said on ozaccord? F22-Guru sounds strangely so much like you (and F22-Guru confirmed he is sukmeidik):

link (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2446#post2446)

It is also a remarkable coincidence that the moderator on Ozaccord - F22-Guru and you - Gen46L - share exactly the same birthday August 9, 1963.

Perhaps you might have "the balls" (to use your vernacular) to honestly confirm or deny it is you. Sounds like your "recruitment" drive has started - as you put in that ozaccord thread.

A true man like Geoff (F22-Guru) would disclose any vested interests don't you think before posting in this thread? You are here to recruit members for your forum. End of story. So disclose your interests before flaming this site further.

[GEN46L]

There is no such thing as "free speech" in Australia. There is also no such thing as "free speech" on Ozhonda. There are rules that need to be followed. If you guys want to run ozaccord with no rules and "free speech" - that is great for you. Lets see how you go when you have 9000+ members all speaking at once.

And that's exactly why I'm on the recruitment drive. To let people know there is a site where there is Free Speech. Of course there are rules to be followed but why enforce them like a bunch of power tripping Nazi's. The way you Mod this site we eventually will have 9000+ members - All banned from here. ;)



I also don't need your respect. The 9 posts you have made on Ozhonda give me enough indication of your true colours - to do your best to ruin this site and promote another.

Who needs the respect of a weak prick like you anyway. You should have worked out my true colours after 1 Post. This joint don't need me to ruin it, Mods with your piss-ant attitude are doing just fine.:thumbsup:


So are you sukmeidik (recently banned with the same IP address as you) - and F22-GURU on ozaccord? Isn't this what you said on ozaccord? F22-Guru sounds strangely so much like you:.

Well yes F22-GURU, SUKMEIDIK, GEN46L all the same person.
Geez, How much brain power did it take for you to work that out, Anyone with half a brain would have worked that out after the first post (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2361&postcount=3)considering I actually said I was signing in as SUKMEIDIK in the Link to this thread with the purpose of showing what a bunch Nazi's you are. :confused:
And I achieved what I set out to do.


Perhaps you might have "the balls" (to use your vernacular) to honestly confirm or deny it is you. Sounds like F22-Guru's "recruitment" drive has started - as put in that thread. A true man like F22-Guru would disclose any vested interests don't you think before posting in this thread?

Considering you weak arse bastards banned SUKMEIDIK I went to my next option, signing in as GEN46L as that was my original user-name here at OZHonda. Like I said there's plenty of ways around it. So now you can show your True Colours and ban GEN46L and the IP Address as well. But I will get around that too.:cool:

Give Up, You're out of your depth. You see by the time you delete this it will be up at OZAccord (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/index.php) for all to laugh at.

Cheers
The GURU

[Zdster]

Give Up, You're out of your depth. You see by the time you delete this it will be up at OZAccord (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/index.php) for all to laugh at.


Interesting . . . .

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) terminology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology), a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum), and posts inflammatory, rude or offensive messages designed to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion (see Anonymous Internet posting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_Internet_posting))."

[Q_ball]

Cant you mods jst ban this mofo and IP or something...gettin on me nerves already!

[yfin]

And that's exactly why I'm on the recruitment drive. To let people know there is a site where there is Free Speech. Of course there are rules to be followed but why enforce them like a bunch of power tripping Nazi's. The way you Mod this site we eventually will have 9000+ members - All banned from here. ;)

Who needs the respect of a weak prick like you anyway. You should have worked out my true colours after 1 Post. This joint don't need me to ruin it, Mods with your piss-ant attitude are doing just fine.:thumbsup:

Well yes F22-GURU, SUKMEIDIK, GEN46L all the same person.
Geez, How much brain power did it take for you to work that out, Anyone with half a brain would have worked that out after the first post (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2361&postcount=3)considering I actually said I was signing in as SUKMEIDIK in the Link to this thread with the purpose of showing what a bunch Nazi's you are. :confused:
And I achieved what I set out to do.

Considering you weak arse bastards banned SUKMEIDIK I went to my next option, signing in as GEN46L as that was my original user-name here at OZHonda. Like I said there's plenty of ways around it. So now you can show your True Colours and ban GEN46L and the IP Address as well. But I will get around that too.:cool:

Give Up, You're out of your depth. You see by the time you delete this it will be up at OZAccord (http://www.ozaccord.com/forums/index.php) for all to laugh at.

Cheers
The GURU

Thanks for disclosing your interests Geoff- at least I'll give you credit for that.

I am entirely happy to leave your post as it is. It speaks volumes about you - and gives everyone the facts as to what you have been doing here. False accounts, deliberately creating dissent to get people to move onto your forum ozaccord. Pathetic really. This whole thread sounds like a sham you created.

I am not going to descend into your weak vernacular by name calling. I can hold a conversation without calling the other person a "weak prick". Is that how you plan to moderate Ozaccord - is that how you will speak to the members? You take the high moral ground about the quality of moderators on Ozhonda - yet look at what you have admitted to as an active moderator on Ozaccord?

Good luck with your forum - it sounds very professional by the colour used in your post (as gen4L). What you wrote as user sukmeidik in this thread also speaks volumes about your quality as a moderator on ozaccord. Talk about killing any credibility ozaccord may have hoped to gain by creating this thread.

You know the old saying "any advertising is good advertising" - well not in your case trying to promote ozaccord. It all somehow backfired on you. :wave:

[Felix]

Lol....

[poid]

Talk about killing any credibility ozaccord may have hoped to gain by creating this thread.

Let me make one thing completely clear, this thread was NOT created by ozaccord and was not created to destabilise ozhonda as you have inferred. It was created by a long-time Ozhonda member who was expressing concerns about the actions of an Ozhonda moderator.

[yfin]

Let me make one thing completely clear, this thread was NOT created by ozaccord and was not created to destabilise ozhonda as you have inferred. It was created by a long-time Ozhonda member who was expressing concerns about the actions of an Ozhonda moderator.

That is cool Poid - I'll take your word for it. You must agree, however, that the conduct of your moderator on Ozaccord has been nothing short of deplorable. At least Jinrai admitted to his mistake.

Geoff, however, is a moderator on Ozaccord and has made it clear what he is here to do and that is to destablise ozhonda and recruit members.

Calvo - the person who raised this - doesn't exactly have clean hands either. He has clearly stirred Geoff along on ozaccord. When Geoff started up the false accounts and posting up his crap - what did Calvo say on ozaccord?

LOL!! Geoff u funny bastard! absolutely gold! Yeah, ***in someone needs to say sumfin and i guess im sick of it. Also the fact that i kno Win and Ben well, so im not really worried bout them ***in nazi mods banning me...

Whilst I have never said Jinrai did the right thing - at least he has the courage to admit his mistake. That says more to me than some of the other things I have seen in the aftermath - including Calvo's acceptance of what Geoff is doing.

[EK9]

This is just amusing now...

Yes, i've read your thread over at Ozaccord, and i'm speechless. It's funny how you've gone and givin crap to Ozhonda, a free forum for our members, for this... and lovin yourselves for it.

Come, go... we don't care. If u like it here, stay. If you don't, go back to your own forum and whine about anyone and everyone u can.

We no longer need to justify anything. We've seen wot JINRAI has done, and will deal with it. Anymore abusive language and i'm gonna ban ya (as per T+C). And if u take the time and effort to re-sign, i'll ban ya again (as per T+C). Oh, and if you're trying to voice some genuine opinions and constructive criticisms, i don't care, u broke OUR rules. This is a free country, this is a free forum... but we have rules too. And our rules are here to try to accommodate for everyone... and if it doesn't suit u, cya around.

At the end of the day, there are haters everywhere...

[Q_ball]

So much back stabbin taking place...my god!! :o

[dc2dc2dc2]

This is just amusing now...

Yes, i've read your thread over at Ozaccord, and i'm speechless. It's funny how you've gone and givin crap to Ozhonda, a free forum for our members, for this... and lovin yourselves for it.

Come, go... we don't care. If u like it here, stay. If you don't, go back to your own forum and whine about anyone and everyone u can.

We no longer need to justify anything. We've seen wot JINRAI has done, and will deal with it. Anymore abusive language and i'm gonna ban ya (as per T+C). And if u take the time and effort to re-sign, i'll ban ya again (as per T+C). Oh, and if you're trying to voice some genuine opinions and constructive criticisms, i don't care, u broke OUR rules. This is a free country, this is a free forum... but we have rules too. And our rules are here to try to accommodate for everyone... and if it doesn't suit u, cya around.

At the end of the day, there are haters everywhere...


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[mr_mojo02]

hmmm think it may be time to close this thread guys. As said the issue has well and truely been brought up... its also been blown way outta proportion. Theres really nothing more to say here

[EK9]

Let me make one thing completely clear, this thread was NOT created by ozaccord and was not created to destabilise ozhonda as you have inferred. It was created by a long-time Ozhonda member who was expressing concerns about the actions of an Ozhonda moderator.
Yeah, we can see that...

But Calvo, who started the thread, went and raised the issue over at Ozaccord to stirr us up here... and here we are now, 10 pages later bitching and blamin, blah blah blah. What was the point of that? Why be a long-time member of Ozhonda, bring up a legitimate issue, then bring in ya "boys" to start flamin our forum, on our own site?

Seriously, if everyone acted like mature adults about this, it woulda started and ended in peace. We mods here are always open to constructive criticism, but deliberately coming here to say "Ozhonda sucks now, it used to be good" is just sad... so damn sad.

[vtec_jet]

you have GOT 2 be JOKING!!!!! after all that blabering on we all now can see the STUPIDITY from the "haterz" ....why waste your time spamming ozhonda for ??? LMAO at :

i should make my own forum "aushonda.com.au"

i am a member of both ozhonda and ozaccord , i waz looking forward 2 this ozaccord forum but seeing as how most members have acted i think i'm gona be fine right here :D

EK9 and yfin....just a HUGE credit 2 you's for looking after us members here aka "QueerbaLL and me" hahahaha
but seriously well handled and Zdster.... your a SLYYYY mo fo !! hahah

like most ppl have been saying get over it .. wat was done is done .. and it wasnt a major issue to blow out of proportian and take it to A Current Affair ... :s

anywayz ...ozhonda is the most helpful forum in regards to HONDA ... and proud of it!!

SoLo..

(p.s - J-munK is gay)

[vtec_jet]

... and VTEC_JET wishes he was a mod.

2007 baby!!! lmao... and where did u get that presumption from??

[Q_ball]

i love you vtec_jet ;) lol

[vtec_jet]

keep it 2 PM queer boy!!!! hahahaha

i ave a rep 2 hold on to... ur killing it 4 me!!

[poid]

That is cool Poid - I'll take your word for it.

Thanks, i just wanted to make that clear. Win has helped out with the establishment of Ozaccord (and is a member there) and there should be no beef between the two forums as its counterproductive for all involved.


You must agree, however, that the conduct of your moderator on Ozaccord has been nothing short of deplorable.

Geoff, however, is a moderator on Ozaccord and has made it clear what he is here to do and that is to destablise ozhonda and recruit members.

well his conduct as a mod on Ozaccord has been fine. I would be lying if i said i agreed with what he has been contributing here since his first post however. But thats his personal choice, and not the choice of the forum as a whole.


Calvo - the person who raised this - doesn't exactly have clean hands either. He has clearly stirred Geoff along on ozaccord. When Geoff started up the false accounts and posting up his crap - what did Calvo say on ozaccord?

LOL!! Geoff u funny bastard! absolutely gold! Yeah, ***in someone needs to say sumfin and i guess im sick of it. Also the fact that i kno Win and Ben well, so im not really worried bout them ***in nazi mods banning me...

To be fair on Calvo, that comment there was made in respect to Geoff's first comment, which was not on the same lines as later replies (in that it was simply criticising Jinrai, without the rest of the sh*t that has happened since).

Whilst I have never said Jinrai did the right thing - at least he has the courage to admit his mistake.

Did he admit his mistake? All i saw from him was an attempt at justifying his behaviour (unless i have missed a post of his through this thread.

[yfin]

Did he admit his mistake? All i saw from him was an attempt at justifying his behaviour (unless i have missed a post of his through this thread.

Yeah he did at post 54:

lets say it was a mistake as a new mod

[wynode]

Got to say i'm quite dissapointed at some of the replies on here. The issue with JINRAI has been brought up and we are discussing it.

As for GEN46L I think you have given Ozaccord a bad name and brought into this thread issues that doesn't belong here. There will be some changes in the way moderators work here however there is no need to create a divide between Ozhonda and Ozaccord. I know Sam personally and will be speaking to him about all of this so keep Ozaccord and it's 'recruitment' out of this.

I'm keeping this thread open so that people can reply ONLY if it is related to the first post, so don't say you haven't been warned.

[nobbs]

man i only just realised this thread was here, when i saw that thread (the one bout TRMN8A) i was pissed off to be honest, that a mod got on his high horse and sunk down to a level which i didnt expect from them, and i pmed him about it to talk to him about it and guess what, after my second reply he didnt pm me back, and my pm's were very civil so meh..........all respect lost for JINRAI on my behalf

but yeh, i say u take JINRAI off as a mod IMO, just as murat was taken off the forums for a week....

[JINRAI]

nobbs, thanks for your input...we'll let wyn and the rest of the mods decide

the reason i didn't reply to your PM is because you were repeating yourself just like the rest on this thread...i have stated if it was my mistake as a new mod to ban someone because of the use of explicit language in public, then i have indicated very clearly between the mods to unban him, etc. and i will accept it because im not perfect...its not a very big deal and i see nothing positive coming from all the post on this thread...a concern has been brought up and discussed, thats fair and i accept that but there is no need for name calling, bashing, etc.

i am leaving it to wyn and the rest of the mods to decide

[wynode]

Thanks for the reply Alex.

Everyone makes mistakes and I haven't had any complaints against JINRAI in the past so 'booting him out' is not going to be a solution. We will update you all on the outcome so till then be patient please.

[fried]

I cannot be bothered to structure an intelligent response to this whole farsce except to say that this "mistake" probably best represents the current state of this site - and in fact the state the site has been in for the better part of the last year.

As an original ozhonda community member, it has been pretty sad to watch this site move in the direction it has.

How many previous threads have been created by other members (yes including moderators) regarding the passing, or sale of their previous honda vehicle, to something else? For a mod to judge the thread created by another original ozhonda member, attack his personality and character, provoke a response not once, but twice using explicit, and then ban the member for "abusing" another member is just plain rediculous.

I personally DO see an UNban ASWELL as an apology neccessary. The moderator cleary provoked the user, as well as personally attacked him, harrassed him and abused him.

Learn some respect.

[zorrt]

That wasnt cool at all. JINRAI should sit back and rethink application of "power".
BTW ~ lets keep it constructive and open to any opinions etc ! DONT reply with dribble like " stupid mods only help friends and cant get fines like cops?!"

mate you just contradicted yourself there. The cop thing was used only as an example of how sometimes cops abused their powers which perfectly fits this situation. That was my opinion so preferably please dont refer to it as dribble.

I think this thread has gone out of control and made things worst than it should of been especially with that ozaccord guy jumping in.

Although I don't agree with wat the mod did, taking away his mod status isnt the way to do. Two wrong don't make a right. I think its a better idea to review how every mod should behave and not let their mod status get to their head (regardless if it was a joke or not).

Basically its true, really there is no such thing as freedom of speech anywhere in this world. We're all binded by rules to make things work otherwise it'll things will just become chaotic. Personally I dont enjoy the strictness of the site, but that won't stop me from visiting it. Guess its a small price to pay for free information.

[joneblaze]

*sigh*.... POS site's gone downhill since I left as mod ;)

Abit concerning when I get 6 links to this thread ROFL.

Old school represent.

This is YOUR house. :)

[JINRAI]

The ban has been lifted. Contacted TRMN8A to inform him of the mistake made by me. If anyone knows him personally please pass him the msg as well. Thanks!

[2MPRSS]

i will

[JINRAI]

Thanks 2MPRSS...appreciate it

[Calvo]

Geez havent been online for few days and this is wat has happened...


Calvo - the person who raised this - doesn't exactly have clean hands either. He has clearly stirred Geoff along on ozaccord. When Geoff started up the false accounts and posting up his crap...including Calvo's acceptance of what Geoff is doing.

U've got to be kiddin me mate. If u havent got the intelligence to realise that OzAccord is a more social community, in that we like to have a bit of fun and socialise aswell as talk about our Accords, then ur just an ignorant person who really cant contribute anything more to this topic. Im quite dissapointed in that response by u Yfin, as ive always thought u were better than that, and regarded u as one of the more responsible and more intelligent members/mods... i guess i thought wrong.

I posted this thread with regards to OzHonda, wat Geoff said had nothing to do with me, sure i condoned wat he done, but thats coz i kno Geoffs personality and im used to his pisstaking behaviour. Some ppl just dont have the humility to see the humour behind some users comments.

Its funny that all the ppl who kno me on this site, esp the old skool ones, agree with me. Ive been loyal to OzHonda, and always inform ppl of this place, even if i dont kno them. If u think i posted this thread just to create an opportunity to promote another forum, then ur just an idiot who i have no regard for, and please do not post anymore in this thread, i dont want to hear ur stupid comments.


Old school represent.
;) ;) :p :p

[wynode]

The ban has been lifted. Contacted TRMN8A to inform him of the mistake made by me. If anyone knows him personally please pass him the msg as well. Thanks!

As above.

Also so everyone knows, we will be reviewing the moderator guidelines and also re-asesssing who has the right to ban users and any other issues that have been brought up here.

I think everything has been covered in this thread and it will be left open for a little bit longer.

DO NOT bring up any other issues here. if there is something you're not happy about make a new thread.

[Q_ball]

Can't you jst close it Wyn la??
I think its been covered to death already, and leaving it open imo will jst cause more sparks to fly.
Lets try and smother this fire thats burning within the OH community now and try and move forward from ere.

[wynode]

Can't you jst close it Wyn la??
I think its been covered to death already, and leaving it open imo will jst cause more sparks to fly.
Lets try and smother this fire thats burning within the OH community now and try and move forward from ere.
Good point.

If anyone isn't happy about this PM me.

[vti-2]

I cannot be bothered to structure an intelligent response to this whole farsce except to say that this "mistake" probably best represents the current state of this site - and in fact the state the site has been in for the better part of the last year.

As an original ozhonda community member, it has been pretty sad to watch this site move in the direction it has.

I think the mistake made was in fact a mistake and shouldn't be too quickly categorised as a representation of the current state of the site.


Sure, the forums aren't the same as they used to be, but then again our member base was pretty small back in the days. I'm an 'old schooler' too and have seen numerous forum changes and variations in post quality etc but we have implemented systems to help combat poor quality posts (the PQ system) for the forums (such as Model and Tech related) so that we can keep a tighter lid on the information being posted. Not only that but the Moderator team has in fact grown considerably and this is primarily due to the fact that the member numbers have grown so exponentially in such a short time. As with anything, there are 'growing pains' associated with a forum that grows so quickly and one of them is the addition of more Moderators with less time to integrate them (and train them properly).

I think this site/forum has done extremely well considering the circumstances. There is still some work to do, such as implementing a better 'training' ground for our new Mods. However, IMHO, considering OH's size, we have done well.


All this aside, this recent issue will be looked at and we'll look at better ways to educate new Mods that join the team.

This thread will stay locked, i just wanted to add my reply to your comment above as i think you too quickly classed this recent mistake as a wider OH problem. I'm not having a go at you, so don't take this personally or the wrong way. I just think the Mod team need to be given more credit for the work (and hours) they put into this forum.

As always, all of your feedback is welcome so if you guys have any other issues you want to highlight, please start a new thread.


cheers.:)