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Spoon DA9R
18-04-2006, 01:07 AM
i m deciding between mugen airbox...or CAI....ne suggestions?
i m more towards CAI...cheaper..and i kinda feel mugen airbox is kinda same as standard airbox..the differents won't be as great...but dunno....its still mugen....so wot u all say?

JasonGilholme
18-04-2006, 05:39 AM
I reckon you should get a sealed filter of some sort that still has a cold air feed to it. I've had experiences with having pod filters open under the hood and they suck nothing but hot air.

T-onedc2
18-04-2006, 07:59 AM
i m deciding between mugen airbox...or CAI....ne suggestions?
i m more towards CAI...cheaper..and i kinda feel mugen airbox is kinda same as standard airbox..the differents won't be as great...but dunno....its still mugen....so wot u all say?
The Mugen airbox is CAI, along side Gruppe M they would be the best you can buy.

notorious_ahmie
18-04-2006, 08:42 AM
i m deciding between mugen airbox...or CAI....ne suggestions?
i m more towards CAI...cheaper..and i kinda feel mugen airbox is kinda same as standard airbox..the differents won't be as great...but dunno....its still mugen....so wot u all say?


if u wait for a bit

dyno dave is releasing a new CAI to rival Injen and AEM and cheaper!!

Rico
18-04-2006, 09:53 AM
and how much we looking at for that ?

notorious_ahmie
18-04-2006, 09:58 AM
nothin is set but lookin round the 300$ mark :) dw ill start a thread soon once weve finalised the product hehe!!

shits on OEM trust me :D

Spoon DA9R
18-04-2006, 12:45 PM
i'll wait then...and see..

Zdster
18-04-2006, 01:38 PM
nothin is set but lookin round the 300$ mark :) dw ill start a thread soon once weve finalised the product hehe!!

shits on OEM trust me :D

Any info. on if the filter is covered or exposed? Got to stay legal ;).

notorious_ahmie
18-04-2006, 01:49 PM
Any info. on if the filter is covered or exposed? Got to stay legal ;).


well it sits inside the front bumper so u cant see the pod..i dunno why it would be defectable since nothin is exposed in the eng bay

Spoon DA9R
18-04-2006, 03:07 PM
so u don't know the designs yet? would it be like the CDA ones?

notorious_ahmie
18-04-2006, 03:16 PM
so u don't know the designs yet? would it be like the CDA ones?


nah i know the design..ive got a prototype in the car atm..and its soo good!!!cant wait for the finish product

Newcivic
18-04-2006, 03:27 PM
Mugen airbox!
Can't go wrong!

Expensive though but very nice induction

Rico
18-04-2006, 05:47 PM
I want something thats legal, good power flows and sounds nice, would u recommend getting ur design ahmie?

notorious_ahmie
18-04-2006, 07:52 PM
haha u guys would prolly think im talkin it up n shiet...but i gaurentee that this intake is nuts...i thought vtec was loud b4...haha its bout 5 times louder than whale penis

feels much much better than the penis..even with the long design i dont get lag like i did with the penis..

so yup i would reccomend to get the intake that im testing out..why else would i test it out unless its good hehe!!!

egSi
18-04-2006, 08:10 PM
a sealed airbox or something similar imo.


who cares bout vtec volume on engagement? :confused:

**Ghost**
18-04-2006, 08:10 PM
I've tried open pod, ARC box and now a mugen replica,

The open pod performed the worse of all, but only during summer and in traffic

The ARC Box gave good throttle response in terms of the "blip" of power on downshift

The Mugen REplica box (enclosed pod) performs the best of all, with throttle response and noise

In the end tho there is no BIG difference between them. THere is (unless ur rich) no real point in spending on a 1000+ intake imho, u'll get 3hp difference (according to the dynos on the USA websites and this little reference book i have in front of me)... are ur buttocks snesitive enough to feel 3hp?

phantom_civic
18-04-2006, 09:23 PM
Post pics of ur set up Ahmie I wanna see....

Ill say stock air box (aftermarket panel filter) with a hole cut on the bottom hooked to a tube for cold air.

Dylanamus
18-04-2006, 09:30 PM
Post pics of ur set up Ahmie I wanna see....

Ill say stock air box (aftermarket panel filter) with a hole cut on the bottom hooked to a tube for cold air.

That's exactly what I am trying to do, but I can't find a decent cotton panel filter to fit my EF8.

notorious_ahmie
18-04-2006, 10:28 PM
cant post piks unfortunatly less dave lets me..come on friday..and ull get to see hehe!!

well dw guys ill let yall make the decision for urselves..im gonna post a thread soon enuff once weve finished and ill show ya figures..just roughly..from whale penis to prototype #1 was a 10-11 kw atw if u beleive me hehe

marcus
19-04-2006, 12:26 AM
i m looking for a cold air intake also but 300 is abit expensive...but if its good maybe its worth...

notorious_ahmie
19-04-2006, 08:16 AM
def worth it..but hey ill let the dyno sheets do the talkin and post up some vids wen its all done hehe!!

Spoon DA9R
19-04-2006, 08:20 AM
Post pics of ur set up Ahmie I wanna see....

Ill say stock air box (aftermarket panel filter) with a hole cut on the bottom hooked to a tube for cold air.

which is wot i have now....its not enough.....

marcus
19-04-2006, 04:04 PM
but its abit ex for 300..200 will be perfect if possible

marcus
16-05-2006, 01:17 AM
hey ahmie almost a mth when ur design going to be out??????????

Spoon DA9R
16-05-2006, 08:31 AM
yeah where's the design...using apexi pod filter now...not bad....love the vtec scream....mite just leave it at that for now.....where are the pics?

maracer
16-05-2006, 09:06 AM
Interesting, looking foward to see the setup. I've got Apexi SRI on mine. Its better than the standard air box.

Spoon DA9R
16-05-2006, 10:02 AM
agree...way better..sounds so much better too...pull much harder

revNhevN
16-05-2006, 11:03 AM
but its abit ex for 300..200 will be perfect if possible

IF its $200 then i want one. For around $200 i can get a custom made cai intake in mandrel bent aluminium - anodised too. But it also depends on the gains that can be made.

Need any other cars for testing?
Does it use any pod filter?

marcus
16-05-2006, 05:46 PM
yeah if $200 i may get 1 but wheres the design??i been looking for a cai for abt 2mths if nt i will get a diy or others reasonable soon

notorious_ahmie
16-05-2006, 06:06 PM
sorry guys i thought i posted this morning on this

well the design is still comin along...the final one will be done very soon hopefully just that dave has been very busy lately

any1 can go and get a CAI setup from a zorst place..but wether or not the bends and size complinment each other and are right for ur car is another story

so why not pay the extra 100$ or so dollars and get somethin with dyno proven gains and has had the research and development for it to work

Vtiboy
16-05-2006, 06:11 PM
May I know if dc2R has already got a factory CAI ?

notorious_ahmie
16-05-2006, 06:20 PM
nope they have airbox

marcus
16-05-2006, 06:52 PM
$250 if still possible!!! so when going to be out for sale?approx??

notorious_ahmie
16-05-2006, 07:16 PM
dunno atm..will keep ya updated...i shall speak to dave very soon!

Spoon DA9R
16-05-2006, 07:33 PM
i wanna have a look at it first....don't see that much of a differents..erm..let us know when its done

notorious_ahmie
16-05-2006, 08:19 PM
yeh no worries..

De_Cruelz
28-05-2006, 01:05 AM
Any updates yet on the new design? I'm looking to start modding my stock teggy and air intake would be the first on the list :)

revNhevN
29-05-2006, 10:13 PM
can you post a pic up of your setup? i really want to get one soon.

marcus
30-05-2006, 01:17 PM
its getting tooo long its either i diy or get an aem from ebay which is about 300

Dylanamus
30-05-2006, 01:25 PM
This is my DIY CAI which as you can tell is using the airbox method.
Check it out from post 32 onwards.
http://www.crxaustralia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460&highlight=CAI

notorious_ahmie
30-05-2006, 04:17 PM
i spoke to dave and he says he is just working out the right price and still need to finish off the last design..up to u guys if u wanna wait :)

integral90
30-05-2006, 04:51 PM
but not even a pic?

notorious_ahmie
30-05-2006, 05:13 PM
haha ill ask him if hell let me take a pik..if u guys came to the fri night meets i was there n u coulda checked it out :p

DreadAngel
30-05-2006, 06:36 PM
Its protection against copy cats, protection of someone's intellecual property whatever that means haha

krogoth
30-05-2006, 06:53 PM
ey ahmie, do ya reckon ur setup can is suitable for a 7th gen civic?

ive been lookin around, but not 2 hard and there isnt really much

im guessin ill have to get a CAI custom made

notorious_ahmie
30-05-2006, 06:56 PM
hmm its suited for b series engines..ill ask dave if he thinks hell make anything for that :)

steve
30-05-2006, 07:15 PM
hmm its suited for b series engines..ill ask dave if he thinks hell make anything for that :)

AND DC5R!!!!!! please :p

quangsta
30-05-2006, 07:29 PM
funny how some people have already try to put a price on something they know very little about....same people wanting to put a hole in the airbox and getting a cold air feed...:rolleyes:...

revNhevN
03-06-2006, 12:41 PM
any pics yet?

marcus
04-06-2006, 05:51 PM
hmm...den wat u reckon guangsta??

quangsta
07-06-2006, 12:42 PM
about what?

putting a price on something? well like i said wait till you see some results or even a pic before you put a price on it....that goes with anything...how much is your computer worth??...who knows unless you tell me what you got and whatever then maybe a price can be guesstimated....

as for a whole in you air box for a cold air feed??....obviously aint that easy otherwise so many people would have done it with power gains to prove it....theres more to a CAI then just getting cold air hence so many power differences and uses with different designs...
look at 'Toda AU' they designed a jazz prototype CAI and said something like a difference in piping length of less than an inch changed the whole CAI, the power it made and where it made it..

Zilli
07-06-2006, 02:09 PM
cant wait for this product to be released, its gonna make a lot of money for the designers.

On top of everything else, Ahmed, you said the 10wkw gain was on stock ECU yeh?

this product is gonna be worth the wait fellas

ek4-guy
07-06-2006, 02:23 PM
10kw atw wow dats a good increase
but does it look sexy ?
and is it legal in the same way a mugen airbox is ?

Phamburger
07-06-2006, 02:29 PM
Well i've seen the Intake on Ahmies old car.

The one he got off Dyno dave and it was impressive. Dyno stats to prove if ahmire can find them.

The Intake is similar to the AEM and Injen but with slightly different bend. Thus its Legal cause the pod not exposed and has the potential to be a great CAI system for people :).

Hope that helps

ek4-guy
07-06-2006, 02:38 PM
sweet was just about to buy a injen cai to go with my toda headers but i thinks this piece of kit would partner it nicely

the 10kw atw is on Ahmies b16b hey so being that i have only got a pov b16a2 and the power difference i wouldnt expect the same power gain ratio

and as for those that wana put a price on it lol i know what id pay for 10kw atw

Zilli
07-06-2006, 02:55 PM
in all hoensty id rather it look stealthy, so i'd probably rather it blends in with the bay (ie matt balck) rather than shony chrome, i dont wanna attract the ****in pigs. But it would be great to have the option o finish i suppose.

as for legality, anyhting that is other than OEM standard is illegal... so it comes down to clever disguising

ek4-guy
07-06-2006, 03:06 PM
yeah cool stealth is sexy to i more ment it doesnt stick out like dogs balls basically that it looks like it should be there

also i thought cai's like mugen and gruppeM where legal due to the filter being enclosed

Zilli
07-06-2006, 03:41 PM
well see thats where the difference between a dickhead pig and a pig who is not comes into play

egSi
07-06-2006, 04:42 PM
OEM AIRBOX :thumbsup:

jdm_kid
07-06-2006, 04:53 PM
i reckon custom oem injen air box with cai :) !! other words ...something lyk the mugen intake

.::F[L]Y::.
07-06-2006, 05:17 PM
why waste so much money on a mugen intake??? you can just make the same thing from an oem airbox and some piping. Just cut a hole from your front bumper. take out the resonator and then run a pipe from the bar to airbox. so easy. That would cost less than 50 bucks? Use that money for other mods ie coilovers, exhaust or headers.

VTi_b0i
07-06-2006, 05:26 PM
a sealed airbox or something similar imo.


who cares bout vtec volume on engagement? :confused:

your just saying that cause u dont have vtec! LOL

Spoon DA9R
07-06-2006, 06:07 PM
i rather have the pod..then i can hear the vtec scream....but now my exhaust is too loud i can't hear it anymore...

Zdster
07-06-2006, 06:23 PM
I have an easy offtopic solution.

Take one microphone.
+ Place microphone on the inside of a friends car with vtec.
+ Get your mate to drive around while recording sound.
+ Take sound clip and put it onto a cd.
+ Install loud sound system into your non-vtec car.
+ Put cd in deck and turn system up.

= instant vtec - the cost

NeRV
07-06-2006, 06:55 PM
im just wondering... does a CAI really sound better then just a airbox with a K&N panel filter???

DreadAngel
07-06-2006, 06:56 PM
I have an easy offtopic solution.

Take one microphone.
+ Place microphone on the inside of a friends car with vtec.
+ Get your mate to drive around while recording sound.
+ Take sound clip and put it onto a cd.
+ Install loud sound system into your non-vtec car.
+ Put cd in deck and turn system up.

= instant vtec - the cost

Someone give this man a PQ for a cost effective, innovative and smart solution to the offtopic!

Back on topic, well kind of, I'm getting a 2nd Hand OEM Airbox at the moment... I've got on Candy a K&N Pod Air Filter... Any difference in sound? Cause I know for sure the power diff is minimal if not non existent

Zdster
07-06-2006, 07:01 PM
Back on topic, well kind of, I'm getting a 2nd Hand OEM Airbox at the moment... I've got on Candy a K&N Pod Air Filter... Any difference in sound? Cause I know for sure the power diff is minimal if not non existent

Well I went from a stock to K&N panel filter and there was only a slight change (however it was inside a stock airbox so will probably be different to a pod).

Zilli
07-06-2006, 07:01 PM
i think you will find the difference in sound is ****ing massive man

i cant go back to having the box on, takes the joy out of it

NeRV
07-06-2006, 07:10 PM
serious?? so theres a massive noise difference...?? hmmm but not much power change?? so basically its a wank factor? lol.. sorry if i sound weird... its just my friend got CAI.. and he keeps telling me to get one... but i already got a K&N panel filter... so im just seeing as to why he would keep talking about the CAI

Zilli
07-06-2006, 08:25 PM
i havent personally had much experience with SOHC vtec, your avatar looks like thats what your running

why dontcha try running without the lid on the air box, or just run it round the block with the airbox disconnected, youll understand then

my point with the SOHC thing is that i think B series or K series motor's VTEC changeover might be more prevalent

SPEEDCORE
31-08-2006, 03:30 PM
Soooooooooooooooooooo where are these flippin' intakes that Ahime and Dyno Dave where putting together? :confused:

TECBOY
31-08-2006, 03:33 PM
CAI is awesum especially with aluminium piping. The Vtec screams and the sound resonates awesum

revNhevN
31-08-2006, 11:10 PM
Soooooooooooooooooooo where are these flippin' intakes that Ahime and Dyno Dave where putting together? :confused:

i believe plazmaman helped them develop it. i just went straight to plazmaman and got mine. its slightly different to the one Ahime and Dyno Dave were testing. mine goes through the hole i have where the stock air box was. works great and sound good too.:thumbsup::thumbsup: so just go ojay and alex and plazmaman.

marcus
01-09-2006, 12:24 AM
hw much did u pay??freee??

SPEEDCORE
01-09-2006, 10:43 AM
its slightly different to the one Ahime and Dyno Dave were testing.

Thanks for the response.... but I really wanted to see what resulted from just Ahime and Dyno Daves work since the 10KW over J's hype was dragged out for so long with nothing to show for it.

If I seem curt its cause I hate empty promisses.

revNhevN
01-09-2006, 03:15 PM
Thanks for the response.... but I really wanted to see what resulted from just Ahime and Dyno Daves work since the 10KW over J's hype was dragged out for so long with nothing to show for it.

If I seem curt its cause I hate empty promisses.

they also have the one that Ahime and dave worked on too. i didnt want it cuz i would have a fat hole in my engine bay. still, 10kW would only come about with a full ecu tune. Not sure how loud the ahime/dave one was but mine can definately be heard. I am using an apexi power intake filter, but the ahime/dave one uses a k&n. the quality of the system is awesome too.

i doubt its a 10kw bolt one mod. i got mine tuned with hondata on my b16a. just has I/H/E. i got 92fkW last year at toda. recently got my car tuned with the intake and got 100fkW at toda. but you cant really compare the power runs cuz they were done at different times and also on different dynos.

hope that helps.

EG5
03-09-2006, 12:27 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/YonasLiu/1e095791.jpg
Custom CAI + buddyclub Tri Y 4-2-1 header + s100 tuned

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/YonasLiu/IMGP0135.jpg
J's intake + JDM 4-1 header + spoon ecu.

I got a JDM b16a stock block
CTR cams , valve springs , Intake manifold , Throttle body , 2.5 inch cat back.

SPEEDCORE
03-09-2006, 10:31 AM
What exactly are you trying to show EG5?

Mst_Mugen
05-09-2006, 06:11 PM
that one persons product is inferior to anotherz!! :thumbsup:

SPEEDCORE
05-09-2006, 10:44 PM
that one persons product is inferior to anotherz!! :thumbsup:

Ha.... when there is 3 other variables there? :rolleyes:

Mst_Mugen
05-09-2006, 11:43 PM
you have raised a good point... i rest my case :thumbsup: