Teg GSI V Teg VTIR

[FANATK]

honestly how much diff between the cars, which one get which off the mark, which one gets the top end trophy? :!:

from stats obviously the vtir, and i can bet the vtir, but by how much?!

or does the vtir only rev out an extra 1k giving it its extra?

im looking to buy one or the other, i want a vtir :) ... but i can afford a gsi easier :D and vtir's are much more rare on the market...

[EG_2_TEG]

what yr teg are ya lookin at gettin?
somewhere between 94-97 (series 1) or 98-01 (series 2)

Series 1:

GSi:
no airbag
no abs
~107kW

Vti-R:
Drivers side airbag
abs
~125kW

Series 2:

GSi:
same power as above
drivers side airbag
abs

Vti-R:
same power as above
2 airbags
abs

theres more diff between the 2, but i can't be bothered typing any more :p

[olda]

honestly how much diff between the cars, which one get which off the mark, which one gets the top end trophy? :!:

from stats obviously the vtir, and i can bet the vtir, but by how much?!

or does the vtir only rev out an extra 1k giving it its extra?

im looking to buy one or the other, i want a vtir :) ... but i can afford a gsi easier :D and vtir's are much more rare on the market...

If u r a real Honda "fanatk", don't waste yr time on GSi.
Just take both for a test drive and u'll find out what i mean.
PS. don't forget to scream the VTiR to 8K. 8) 8) 8)

[mike_cheung]

where you from?
theres a number of vtir for sale in vic. you just goota be patient thats all. whatever you do dont rush and buy a car, you'll only end up regretting it

[VTEC16]

Get the VTi-R.....

or better yet, test drive both - then get the VTi-R.

[skoota]

I was gonna get a '99 VTi-R with 70k on the clock with Cruise Control installed by Honda and shcmick condition, stamps etc for 19k!!!... cos he was depsertae to sell, plus i got it checked out by RACV no faulkts but couldnt sell my car so he sold it to a dealership for 18k.. so very sad right now - i almost cried...

[fried]

honestly how much diff between the cars, which one get which off the mark, which one gets the top end trophy? :!:

from stats obviously the vtir, and i can bet the vtir, but by how much?!

or does the vtir only rev out an extra 1k giving it its extra?

im looking to buy one or the other, i want a vtir :) ... but i can afford a gsi easier :D and vtir's are much more rare on the market...

If u r a real Honda "fanatk", don't waste yr time on GSi.
Just take both for a test drive and u'll find out what i mean.
PS. don't forget to scream the VTiR to 8K. 8) 8) 8)

i know ur gonna get a virtual slap for being ignorant.......

awaiting *teh might of the b18b* to appear.....

honestly.... u want a car quick off teh mark... get a gsi....

u want a car that has better top end.. get the vtir.

search for other threads, theres been plenty on the differences between the two cars. eg airbags, abs, vtec, aesthetic differences etc.

but for legal everyday driving... the gsi is very sufficient. a lot cheaper, u can rock anyone to the end of second gear (and then drop into forth and slow ur ass down), u got the same bits as the vtir in terms of sunroof, adn everything, so its all good.

vtir, is just the goodness of the vtec stigma (which i must admit, i do have). u get loads of more top end power, but top end power is jsut encouragin illegal activities of hi speeds, lol.

gl.

[IntegriliciouS]

Stop wit the fussing and get a Type R!! :x

[wynode]

honestly.... u want a car quick off teh mark... get a gsi....

u want a car that has better top end.. get the vtir.


Errr......they are both quick off the mark. Its just that Jon's mighty GSI is DAMNN quick off the mark.

The vti-r is quicker full stop.

Both are similar spec at low-mid RPM, but the vti-r has an edge due to better head flow AND higher compression.

[fried]

honestly.... u want a car quick off teh mark... get a gsi....

u want a car that has better top end.. get the vtir.


Errr......they are both quick off the mark. Its just that Jon's mighty GSI is DAMNN quick off the mark.

The vti-r is quicker full stop.

Both are similar spec at low-mid RPM, but the vti-r has an edge due to better head flow AND higher compression.

sorry winnie master...

but i was comparing the two to each other.

so with that said. both cars are REALLY quick. IMO the gsi is very under-rated, and can be quicker off the mark than the vti-r model.

it all comes down to ur driving skills. so practise that ;).

[vti-2]

There is a thread similar to this one if you do a search.

IMO, the VTi-R wins hands down. Don't bother with the GSi, i honestly don't think it is worth it. If you are thinking about performance, why buy a model that really wasn't designed to be a performance car? I'm not taking a swipe at GSi owners either (so don't get too hot headed).

[FANATK]

i used to own a 93 crx, so ive been down the 8k redline 100's of times...

i know with my old crx, bottom end wasnt too good...

so im take it a gsi has better pick up at bottom end and vtir is better top end? thats what i thought anyway :D

cant spend to much looking at 10-12k atm, and a gsi is more within reach!

and i know diff feature and stats wise, just wanted some opinions from experiences...

[madgrk]

What state are you in? There is a 96 VTiR for 12,500 in Vic. Damn cheap if you ask me.. Remember, k's dont mean much if the car has been maintained properly :D

[mike_cheung]

if you look hard enough you can actually find a good vtir for around 10-12k in melbourne

[CaP]

how quick is a gsi and vti-r on the 1/4 mile and 0-100 ?? any one know?

[EG_2_TEG]

i've done 15.65 with a pod filter, 2 1/4 cat-back and heavy duty clutch :)

[[twins]vtec]

Vti-r is low - mid 15s
and the GSi is flat - very low 16s
stock form

[joneblaze]

Dude, it really depends on what you want out of your car. The VTiR IS faster in a straight line and has great aftermarket support. My basic argument is that both GSi and VTiR look similar, have similar functions and options and the only real difference is in the engine bay ("Series I" GSi and VTiR Integra variants are more similar than "Series II"). I've driven both GSi and VTiR, and while the VTiR feels great and is an awesome car/engine to drive, I really haven't got many complaints with my stock GSi either. :)
Good luck with your search.

Btw, I'm not a great driver, and my GSi isn't exceptionally fast. Far from it. In fact, I just think some of my VTEC-equipped competitors in the past haven't been quite familiar enough with their machinery (and "misc." reasons...;)). We won't even start on the cars that HAVE kicked my arse...*shame* :oops:

[imminent_]

i'll second the "getting your ass kicked" .. then again, a turbo'd calais isn't exactly used for taking the shopping home .. more like taking my ass home :P

[ginganggooly]

much of a muchness... if you think you can feel the 20-odd missing kw in the 6k-8k range then you might preffer the vti-r.
if you aren't the type to wring the motors guts out, save the money and get a gsi.

[EG_2_TEG]

i pumped out 123.5hp atw yesterday on a dyno dynamics dyno
better that the 111hp figure i got about a month ago

http://www.teamintegrated.org/random/oasdyno.avi [2.07Mb]
(right click save target as)

[joneblaze]

Nice..that's roughly 90ish kwatw....
Mods on your GSi man? Couldn't find much info on the website...

[EG_2_TEG]

yeh, i used to have some info up ages ago
need to put it back up when i get info and pics of our other Ti cars

but yeh mods
short ram intake with pod filter, 2 1/4 cat-back zorst and upgraded heavy duty clutch :)

[joneblaze]

My GSi puts out a mighty 67.5kw on a dyno dynamics dyno... (you'll have to ask Dyno Dave regarding the settings)... Intake/catback and clutch eh? Interesting... lol

[CIVIC-R]

my opinion is to get the GSI, cause it is in your price range... save up for a while and then do a turbo conversion! this way you should put out more power then even the Integra Type R.

[redinteg]

Ive got i 95 GSI that puts out 93kw atw with custom SRI with a K/n and 4-2-1 headers +2 1/4 catback (still using stock cat). it runs dead level with one of those new 2.5ltr lancers so i'm happy with that (though i was driving it as hard as i could). But i'm thinking of selling it and getting a 96-99 vtir, more potential. The Gsi is as fast as its gonna get without spending big bucks.

So if you dont wanna get to crazy then Gsi will do fine and you get can one reletivley cheap.

[GSI-PSI]

my opinion is to get the GSI, cause it is in your price range... save up for a while and then do a turbo conversion! this way you should put out more power then even the Integra Type R.
why dont ya just buy my gsi turbo cos its around ya price range anyway and yes it s#$%s over Type R's anyday. Its more a comparasin to gtr's when talkin power and its still fuel economical. Plus i need that cash thats y im sellin it so cheap

[kj887]

in my opinion n other members' opinions, we all sticking on vtir, cos they are really hugh different, but beta have a test drive both, u will understand, such as olda said, "Just take both for a test drive and u'll find out".

save money right now if u have limited budget to get a vtir. unless u wanna get GSi/VTEC (= LS/VTEC) convsersion, but i dun suggest u go that way........exp labour and etc

p.s. late facelift model integra doesnt come with sunroof unless vtir.

[blubber]

Haha, this thread was started in 2004 and FANATK, the thread started seems to have a DC5R now!

Oh, and I love my DC4 =D

[Mr_will]

My GSi puts out a mighty 67.5kw on a dyno dynamics dyno... (you'll have to ask Dyno Dave regarding the settings)... Intake/catback and clutch eh? Interesting... lol


are you serious? i got 86.1 from my b18a1....stock.

[m3ntAL_l2]

67.5kw from a gsi?wdf>!?>?!?! im shatted

[Raz_man]

im just going to assume he was only using three cylinders or something:p

[marcus]

y get a honda without its lengendary VTEC????

juz go get a type R !!!!!!!it beats most cars of its class and other class tooo

[locote]

Stock vs stock a GSi and VTiR are almost identical (in looks, interior, performance)
only reasons you would pick a vtir over a GSi would be, you realy want vtec(even though stock they are both just as quik), or your gona do engine mods where then the vtir will become alot faster as it responds better..

But if u just want a car to drive and dont care bout the things mentioned then save ur cash and geta GSi cheaper car cheaper insurance:)

[blubber]

^^What he said :p

[Andrew21]

GSI with I/H/E will keep up with a VTIR anyway ... so dont think there THAT MUCH SLOWER...

[destrukshn]

but what if the vtir had the same mods?

[Andrew21]

then obviously it would be faster... But not every1 is driving around modded..

You could say that about every car then..

[Felix]

Stock vs stock a GSi and VTiR are almost identical (in looks, interior, performance)
only reasons you would pick a vtir over a GSi would be, you realy want vtec(even though stock they are both just as quik),


hah???
since when is a stock GSI "identical in performance" to a stock VTIR?
If both of these have an equally good driver then stock VTIR will eat a stock GSI. Things like a lower final drive, much lighter wheels, VTEC, bigger/better flowing headers, extra 1000 revs, and an extra 19kw, do make a difference you know.
Yes a stock GSI can be quicker then a stock VTIR but thats when the ability of the driver comes in..

[blubber]

hehe, it's not "identical in performance", obviously the vtir is more powerful with the extra 20kW (though it also weighs a bit more).

There is not much in it though!

A gsi with i/h/e is not equal to a stock vtir - it beats it. A vtir with the same mods will beat the gsi again

[locote]

ive seen a vtir with same mods as when i rang my GSi at drags( both with intake mods)
He can only manage mid 15s mid 140skph
same times and term speeds as my GSi

[destrukshn]

too many variables.
you really wanna know which one is faster?
you drive each car yourself, then you can tell yourself which one is faster, no point in lets say you driving the gsi, and another person driving the vtir, beucase the variable there is the driver, the driver is what makes or breaks it, i've seen 220kw atw cars pull 14sec passes, where the formula is that that car is supposed to do 11's.

[locote]

Thats why you look at the terminal speeds!!!
I know for a fact the vtir will only pull 1kph more or even less than a GSi.
Ive raced vtirs at the track and they are so evenly matched its any ones race..
I won by the skin of my teeth one time and the vtir the other.

[[[d a n n y]]]

then why the hell would there be a vtir ?
why dont they make a GSi-R instead..
dude a VTIR is quicker you were probably a better driver than the VTIR driver..
we are not talking about your gsi..
we are talking about GSi compared to VTIR's in general.

[GReY_CVC]

i've owned a series 1 VTIR and now i own a series 2 GSI 2000 model (however it's auto) and it has full exahust and to say for an auto car my GSI is not a push bike... its quite fast for an auto car .... the respect to GSIs have grown on me... i hated my car when i first had it

It's definitely slower than my old VTIR which absolutely screams when i let it strecth to the red line (I/H/E mad it sound even better) and it is certainly much more fun and addictive to drive... the most addictive part is the get up and go feeling you get when you are revvin up the red line....

P.S i don't have much to complain about my GSI except that it's bloody auto!!! trades anyone?? i want to shift gears agen !!!... ahhaa

[GReY_CVC]

But yeah hands down ill rather own a VTIR anyday then GSI...

save up bit more money mate be patient ... but it's not easy finding a good condition VTIR these days

[locote]

LOL i aint disin the vtir .
HELL i put a B18c in my civic for F sake!!!
all i was trying to point out is if u just want a teggy cause u like the looks and the power up get from one (with out fkng round with it) then y spend all the extra$$ on a vtir.
You would have to be a complete D#$ S@$## to think a B18B will make as much power as B18C with same mods...

[Felix]

ive seen a vtir with same mods as when i rang my GSi at drags( both with intake mods)
He can only manage mid 15s mid 140skph
same times and term speeds as my GSi


I've done a 14.8 in my basically (only xforce headers/exhaust) stock VTIR, yet I pulled a 15.09 in a mates GSI (with exhaust, intake, lightweight wheels, HD clutch, ITR final drive). I was the driver of both.


but yeah, if performance isnt a big issue then i'd just get a GSI..

[marcus]

juz get a type R

[blubber]

^^ haha yeah you are cool :thumbsup:

[FANATK]

talk about bringing back an old thread, i ended up getting a GSi 2 1/2 years ago, now drive a DC5R for the past 18 months...

i did challenge a vtir once in my gsi and i kept half a bonnet ahead until it ended in 3rd, it was a good lil beast!

[A-man]

is it fair to say that a gsi or even a b18a head will flow better because of the lack of vtec... in the head??

id like to see flow charts of them...

the other question u mite wana ask is what u want the teg for aswell

(sry i know this is an old thread but i just saw it and wanted to revisit it)

[DC4Integra98]

I've heard things like that and people saying turbo applications on the non-vtec motor responds better. Not sure if its true though..

[A-man]

so it mite have truth in it....


therefore maybe save ur money on a gsi and spend it on a turbo :P

they fit better then a da9 lol

[IZY-10]

I've heard things like that and people saying turbo applications on the non-vtec motor responds better. Not sure if its true though..

only when you are running large numbers i believe!

[dudeling7]

a b18a/b head flows no where near as good as a vtec head! one of the main problems with the head is that it flows pretty poorly, so yes getting a port and polish on your head would work well if you were going all out all motor LS or boosting and aiming for high numbers as you can pick up a bit by cleaning up the head.

[T-onedc2]

is it fair to say that a gsi or even a b18a head will flow better because of the lack of vtec... in the head??
The VTEC mechanisms doesn't intrude the intake chamber in any way so the answer is no.

[T-onedc2]

I've heard things like that and people saying turbo applications on the non-vtec motor responds better. Not sure if its true though..
not true, stock for stock the VTEC head will flow more air, hence make more power

[Sp00ny]

Comparing Pre98 Spec:

VTi-R vs. GSi
- No airbags
- No ABS
- Smaller Rear and front swaybars (Front GSi: 22mm VTi-R: 24mm, Rear: GSi: 14mm VTi-R: 16mm)
- B18C vs B18B 18kw + 2nm Torque
- Better low end torque in VTi-R
- Different interior, Black colour standard compared to Grey in GSi
- Body Coloured Side Mouldings
- Shorter 3rd, 4th and 5th gear ratios in the VTi-R

98+ Spec:
VTi-R Dual Airbags GSi: Single
Both have ABS and Body Coloured Door Mouldings

I would say VTi-R for Resale value, Engine and Aesthetics.

The problem with a GSi is due to the nature of the engine......the only way to gain decent power is to use forced induction. I/H/E on a GSi will make no were near the amount of differance it would on the B18C (VTi-R). Even if you were boosting you would get better results with the B18C anyway.......The only good thing about a GSi is if you want to do a "LS/VTEC" conversion due to the engine capacity and crankshaft you get a lil' more torque....

Regards,
Andrew

[VTECMACHINE]

is it fair to say that a gsi or even a b18a head will flow better because of the lack of vtec... in the head??


LOL... VTEC isn't a tangible item, it won't affect the flow hehe.

VTEC is blocking the head...

[LiL FiLo]

Get the VTIR!!!!
ive test drove gsi n vtir n nothing beats the scream of vtec (and i personally own one).... to those who are saying a gsi is almost as quick as a vtir i say keep dreaming...
in regards to flowing better, the vtec solenoid is located next to the intake camshaft which has nothing in realisty to do with air flow etc...
BTW my vtir runs 14.5 (stock everything except itr bottom end in motor)

[LiL FiLo]

otherwise juss put a K20/K24 in GSI!!!!! ;-p

[defect]

yea hes already driving a k20 :>

[Lukey]

Gsi Power!

[A-man]

i meant by different valve sizing

and the fact of vtec changing lift etc....

[Tegzieboi_BAR]

Personally, when i was shoppin 4 my car i really wanned a Vtir... after taking 5 of em 4 a spin that were within my price range (12Gs) i took a couple of GSi's 4 a cruise n they honestly felt a lot better. With that pricerange ur lookin at thrashed examples of Vtir's so i ended up buyin a Gsi it for 9.5Gs n it was in WAAAY better condition than any of the vtec models i came across.

Havnt regretted it 4 a second... beautiful, reliable car... mind u, id love 2 drop a B18C7 in it! :P

[A-man]

just a real noob question but is the vtec killer cams cams that remove vtec?

[DC4Integra98]

Personally, when i was shoppin 4 my car i really wanned a Vtir... after taking 5 of em 4 a spin that were within my price range (12Gs) i took a couple of GSi's 4 a cruise n they honestly felt a lot better. With that pricerange ur lookin at thrashed examples of Vtir's so i ended up buyin a Gsi it for 9.5Gs n it was in WAAAY better condition than any of the vtec models i came across.

Havnt regretted it 4 a second... beautiful, reliable car... mind u, id love 2 drop a B18C7 in it! :P

Pretty much same situation. Was really looking for a VTi-R but all the ones i test drove felt so crap... thus ending up with a very good condition GSi.

[bennjamin]

guys a gsi and a vtir are quite similar performance....VTEC isnt everything...

[GSi_PSi]

theres a differerence in performance but it isnt great..its not that great that you would sell your gsi to buy a vtir...gsi owners will probly head towards a significant difference in performance = typeR

[Tegzieboi_BAR]

yeah, honestly... owning a gsi, the only thing i hate about it, is being asked if its VTEC n the lack of the VTiR decal on the rear!

Really, when u comparing stock kw/atw ratings between the 2 models ur only looking at maybe 10 kw atw which isnt much at all really.

[DC4Integra98]

haha yeah.. when they check under the bonnet and see no vtec they are like "ohhhh..."

[rbk_212]

you want the vti-r, VTEC is just so much fun and really is an engineering marvel for its time. as for bottom end power i the curves are basically the same and i think the GSi has like 2Nm more? negligble... just make sure its a clean non thrashed example

[A-man]

can i get an answer on my question??

[94dc2tegz]

just a real noob question but is the vtec killer cams cams that remove vtec?

they don't 'remove' vtec cuz y would u want to disable vtec?

don't quote me but i think it's basically just the high profile cam on at all times thats y wen u hear it it's really rough and sounds like a lawn mower

so as a product the vtec system is gone.

[rbk_212]

yeah not something you want. the system is so well designed why would you butcher it with a mod like that. better to focus on modifications that improve on the already strong points of your teg

[94dc2tegz]

yea, vtec is the solution for torque at the low end and power at the top end

it's like the best of both worlds which was unachievable in the old days

kinda like gears

if ur car only had one gear and u could choose any gear

u could have 1st gear and rip ppl at the lights and watch as ppl drove off on ya lol

or u could have a higher gear and just wait (if ur engine doesn't stall) till u reach a high enough speed to transfer the power efficiently.

not the best example - but u get the point

so yea... like rbk_212 said, don't do it lol.

[A-man]

what im getting at is vtec is only there for torque low down as well as good fuel econ.

by making the head flow less then when its not on vtec... because obviously u want the head to breath as much as it can at high rpm.. (thereoy of get air in and out as fast as u can) but down low this will make a rough car due to poor scavenging. hence lower valve lift etc.

what im getting at is theres a point when modding these cars where u will change the cams.. depending on how far u will go. u might remove vtec and in this case whats the point of a vtir or even a type r... if u dnt have vtec...

this is how im saying that a non vtec head will flow better then a vtec head just because of the valvetrain construction.

what u want to look at is how much torque u can create this will change depending on the stroke, bore, etc.

usually in a racing aspec if u look at alot of these cars running they will idle like shit but once there going there effiecent and very rarely come out of the effeicent RPM


correct me if im wrong

[geeang]

I was under the impression that VTEC Killer cams kept the valves open so VTEC is running essentially 100% of the time. :zip:

[VT1-R]

yeah, honestly... owning a gsi, the only thing i hate about it, is being asked if its VTEC n the lack of the VTiR decal on the rear!

Really, when u comparing stock kw/atw ratings between the 2 models ur only looking at maybe 10 kw atw which isnt much at all really.


Erm.. 10 fuking kw atw is alot for N/a.. and GSI vs VTI-R.. isnt it obvious.. Even if a done up GSI with I/h/e some custom cams, tune and everything beat a stock VTI-R, fine.. the owner is happy and he get all the bragging rights after spending a fortune($5k-$8k)..

But if you wanna go big time against the big boys like the STIs and EVOs, starting with a GSI will get you nowhere unless u turbo.. den again.. turbo is about $$ for reliability and longevity.. So bottom line VTI-R>GSI, in all aspects, stock, potential, vtec, etc... A built B18C in a DC2 can be on par with a stock STI..

[AE092]

lol

Maybe so, but good luck with JDM EVO/STi's/GTR's.

[A-man]

yeh but face it integras shouldnt be compared to things like evos stis and gtrs..

because there not anything like em

closest thing is that they all have engines.... and 4 wheels



those cars have turbo, 4wd, newer technology, bigger displacement, etc.

there nothing like a integra or any honda car i dnt know why people insist on comparing them to them...


thats how i understood vtec killers to work aswell..

saying that it may aswell be a b18b because its removing the vtec (kicking in) i hate saying that.... (i feel like im gonna have to have a shower and scrub the ricey off me) lmao


so if vtecs on all the time y not just get a b18b???? ie. gsi

[geeang]

With a GSI there is no VTEC function, with VTEC killer cams on a B18C it would have the VTEC function there but the valves would be open 100% of the time so it would be alot better than 'just a GSI'.

[bennjamin]

come on guys its verging off topic.


All this talk of "killer cams" - this is for worked engines only and not something to compare a Gsi to a vtir.

Horses for courses , a gsi with the same basic work done to it (I/H/E) will be very similar speed and agility to a vtir.
Gsi is cheaper. Older.
vtir is newer. looks alittle better IMO.
make the decision yourself.

[string]

what im getting at is vtec is only there for torque low down as well as good fuel econ.

by making the head flow less then when its not on vtec... because obviously u want the head to breath as much as it can at high rpm.. (thereoy of get air in and out as fast as u can) but down low this will make a rough car due to poor scavenging. hence lower valve lift etc.

what im getting at is theres a point when modding these cars where u will change the cams.. depending on how far u will go. u might remove vtec and in this case whats the point of a vtir or even a type r... if u dnt have vtec...

what u want to look at is how much torque u can create this will change depending on the stroke, bore, etc.

usually in a racing aspec if u look at alot of these cars running they will idle like shit but once there going there effiecent and very rarely come out of the effeicent RPM


correct me if im wrong

The Non-VTEC heads have such small ports you'd be cutting into the water channels before you even get to the flow rates of a stock VTEC head.

Road cars and weekend are not pure race cars: VTEC means you can have a wild cam and head configuration (e.g. stock) yet retain low down drivability. Upgrading doesn't mean you have to remove VTEC - bigger cams come with the low-lift lobe too.


this is how im saying that a non vtec head will flow better then a vtec head just because of the valvetrain construction.

If I took a photo of inside the intake ports of both a B16A and B18A head you wouldn't be able to tell me which one was which - you'll see a valve-stem and that's about it. VTEC lives in the head, not in your intake ports.

[IZY-10]

killer cams do eliminate vtec get rid of the whole function completely. They are for track application only. As when you are at a track you are only using the higher revs. Hence being no use for vtec as you don't not require much drivability down low. Vtec was designed so that you can have a power sports car when required keeping in mind fuel efficiency.

[Tegzieboi_BAR]

Horses for courses , a gsi with the same basic work done to it (I/H/E) will be very similar speed and agility to a vtir.
Gsi is cheaper. Older.
vtir is newer. looks alittle better IMO.
make the decision yourself.

Older? Both Vti n Gsi were released same time, both released facelift models, so im not sure where u got that info from. Only thing separating the 2 models looks-wise r the rims n the colour-coded strip on the side of the car.

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Even then you can find GSi's with colour coded side moldings, skirts and lips.

[T-onedc2]

VTi-R dash is black and carpet dark grey, GSi is all lighter grey. This applies to 98+ models at least.

[kj887]

1. different rims size
vti-r 15" alloy rims
gsi 14" normal hub cover heavy rims

2. interior
vti-r black colour interior
gsi black dash but grey front/rear/trims

3. engine
vti-r vtec
gsi non-vtec

[GSi_PSi]

my cousin n i have an vti-r 98 n i have a gsi 96 and 95 they all have the same iterior colour..the seats have a different pattern but thats about it...

[GSi_PSi]

Erm.. 10 fuking kw atw is alot for N/a.. and GSI vs VTI-R.. isnt it obvious.. Even if a done up GSI with I/h/e some custom cams, tune and everything beat a stock VTI-R, fine.. the owner is happy and he get all the bragging rights after spending a fortune($5k-$8k)..

But if you wanna go big time against the big boys like the STIs and EVOs, starting with a GSI will get you nowhere unless u turbo.. den again.. turbo is about $$ for reliability and longevity.. So bottom line VTI-R>GSI, in all aspects, stock, potential, vtec, etc... A built B18C in a DC2 can be on par with a stock STI..

mate lol after $5k-8K what are you on about? my cousin has a vti-r yeh? stock..and he will tell you himself a modded (i/h/e)= around $500-700) gsi would beat stock vti-r anyday....plus a built up b18c in a dc2 would not be on par with a stock sti...lol maybe in an eg or crx

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Sorry but you won't be getting 20kw out of I/H/E on a non-vtec no matter what your cousin thinks. You might be equal with a cam and a tune; wow you can keep up with a stock car that you should have bought in the first place, a VTi-R with type-r cams and a decent exhaust will rape the modded GSi.

Regardless they are both slow as all hell so who gives a shit.

[T-onedc2]

Type R > VTi-R > GSi

As usual these "vs" threads prove nothing that isn't already available in a search, and even they end up the same way as this one.

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