Differences between a pre 98 and post 98 ITR engine

[xtercii]

Hi all, I am going to inspect a 98+ model ITR engine and gearbox package. So by looking at the engine and the gearbox, how can I verify if the engine is a 98+ model? What are the things that I should be looking at?
Many Thanks.

[z3lda]

i believe that the engines are the same.. and the only way to find out is by checking the engine code..

no its not the same

u can not determine the year by lookin at the engine code.

u will find out exaclty what year its from by lookin at the numbers
stamped right ontop of the exhaust manifold on the head.

[barefootbonzai]

as above ^^

[xtercii]

Cheers guys, any other tricks? And how about the gearbox, any easy ways of telling?

[spoondc2]

Cheers guys, any other tricks? And how about the gearbox, any easy ways of telling?

For gearbox, look for "N3E LSD"
That's 98 ITR 4.785 gearbox

If you see S4, S40, S80, S80 LSD or V4D then you can forget about it

[xtercii]

BEAUTIFUL!!! I love the internet I love the forums, you can get so much useful info..

[|N|]

just a Q while we r here... i heard taht 96 and 97 TIR has no LSD.. is that true?

[barefootbonzai]

nope that's not true. All ITR's have LSD.

[barefootbonzai]

For gearbox, look for "N3E LSD"
That's 98 ITR 4.785 gearbox

If you see S4, S40, S80, S80 LSD or V4D then you can forget about it Are you sure about this? I've never heard of N3E before. I was under the impression that all 96+ Integra's either ran a S80 or Y80 gearbox.

[|N|]

thx bonzai rep points for u

[xtercii]

by the way where abouts on the gearbox would you be able to find the codes?

[barefootbonzai]

It's on the front. But no real point, you can't tell from the gearbox code. Best is to make sure the head is a PR3 with the right year and engine code of B18C.

[spoondc2]

Are you sure about this? I've never heard of N3E before. I was under the impression that all 96+ Integra's either ran a S80 or Y80 gearbox.

Yeah... 100% sure...
you may try to look at audm itr gearbox, it saids N3E also
that's a 98 spec gearbox

my 99 integra vti-r has V4D gearbox

S80 are JDM integra Sir, lsd optional

S4 and S40 are ek4

[xtercii]

Ok thanks guys, we have a bit of discrepancies here, barefootbonzai, can you elaborate a bit when you are saying “you can tell from the gearbox code”?

[barefootbonzai]

Yeah... 100% sure...
you may try to look at audm itr gearbox, it saids N3E also
that's a 98 spec gearbox

my 99 integra vti-r has V4D gearbox

S80 are JDM integra Sir, lsd optional

S4 and S40 are ek4 After a quick search seems like your talking about an entirely different thing, and a little mixed up. You're talking about the big ass stamp on the box while i'm talking about the gearbox code on the label. The gearbox will still be either S80 or Y80, but may have a big as stamp (faded off most of the time) will contain the N3E if it's the 98 spec ITR box. Here's an example... http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?threadid=44962

[xtercii]

no its not the same

u can not determine the year by lookin at the engine code.

u will find out exaclty what year its from by lookin at the numbers
stamped right ontop of the exhaust manifold on the head.

Just found out that the engine has an aftermarket header, so I guess the exhaust manifold way can't tell. Any other ways?

[barefootbonzai]

the numbers are above the headers, not on the headers. the are on the head.

[xtercii]

Fantastic!!!

[T-onedc2]

I guess we're all assuming you're comparing JDM 96 & 98 spec as AUDM was first sold in 99.

[xtercii]

Yes I am, the engine starts with something like B18C2******

[barefootbonzai]

hmmm.... if the engine you saw started with b18c2 it's a Aus spec VTiR

[BlitZ]

becarful.. be very careful

[xtercii]

Ok from what have researched over the net, audm itr’s engine code starts with something like B18c7******, usdm itr’s engine code starts with something like B18c5*******, and jdm itr and vtir start either with a code of B18c1******* or B18c2*******, if that’s not correct, can anyone tell me what’s the correct code for jdm itr?

[bennjamin]

... can anyone tell me what’s the correct code for jdm itr?

simply "B18C".

[tRipitaka]

simply "B18C".
although if you don't know the differences between your sir and type R engines, you could be fooled into getting an sir rather than type R

[xtercii]

Alright I know the inlet manifold looks different on itr and the header is 4 to1, other than that, to be honest I wouldn't know what to look for. But anyway gonna go to that wrecker and have a closer look and ask heaps of questions.

[T-onedc2]

simply "B18C".
^^^^I second that^^^^

I'd be very careful, can you show us some pics?

[xtercii]

yeah man, why not...link as below...

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=58_65&products_id=670

[barefootbonzai]

yeah looks right. but wtf, price does not include gearbox???? crazy

[xtercii]

then how come the engine code is B18C2103905, is that right?

[barefootbonzai]

yeah it should be right. That "2" isn't apart of it. Should be something like this on the engine....

B18C
2103905

[xtercii]

hey guys, went to look at the engine today, the engine code is right, also saw a stamp of PR3 on the head, however I couldn't really find the year on the head, I saw a stamped circle with a line in the middle, and there is a number "9" and "8" stamped on each side. Is this the year that the engine was made?

[barefootbonzai]

yep that's the one. so seems all good man 98 spec JDM ITR right there.

[mocchi]

bump. i wonder if this is true for all honda engines?
D, B, K, F, H? all these letters sound like vitamin names.

9|8 means the engine was made in the year 1998, and can be/ might have been used in '98 car or '99 car yea?
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=236175

Thinking of buying an engine from wreckers but wanna be cautious if they try to fool me.

Thanks for the confirmation.