Supercharger

[00UCH]

Hay guys im new to this site but couse its a all Honda site so you may be able to help me......i want to supercharge my 98 civic i think its a b16 motor.....im lookin at a Powerdyne BD-11A....would it work???? Or any other charges i can use and how much am i lookin for??????and dose anyone have one for sale.

Cheers

Chris

[Slow96GSR]

You want an easy install? Try a Jackson Racing S.C.! It's what almost everyone in the U.S. uses, or a Vortec. You do know Powerdyne doesn't make a import kit yet? The BD-11A (http://www.proficientperformance.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=powerdyne&Product_Code=A10147-111) isn't a kit. For that price and to get the rest of the parts you need will put you over a kit already made and proven for imports. Just my $.02USD!!

[saxman]

unfortunately, with the jrsc, you're stuck without using an intercooler(well, there is one company that makes one for it, but it's very expensive... about as much as the sc itself). Superchargers, which really aren't that thermally efficient, without an intercooler are very very limited... bad stuff.

If you're going to go wtih a vortec charger, you'd be better off saving your money and going with a turbo... will work out better for you in just about every way... and you'll actually make some torque.

[Zilli]

unfortunately, with the jrsc, you're stuck without using an intercooler(well, there is one company that makes one for it, but it's very expensive... about as much as the sc itself). Superchargers, which really aren't that thermally efficient, without an intercooler are very very limited... bad stuff.

If you're going to go wtih a vortec charger, you'd be better off saving your money and going with a turbo... will work out better for you in just about every way... and you'll actually make some torque.


hey man, sounds like you speak from experience.

With the JRSC kit, does it come with the ECU to run it? also, is it a kinf of kit that you can install at home, or does it get quite complicated?

THanks amn, im very itnerested in this kit, im not a real turbo fan, but i'd luv to hear an s/c whining at 8500rpm..

[Slow96GSR]

A lot of the JRSC kits come with a Hondata s200 or the newer s300. You have to make sure you order the right ecu kit when you order the JRSC kit.

http://www.jacksonracing.com/Browse/PlateMenuProducts.aspx?WebCatalogID=19&PlateTypeID=1

[Zilli]

looks like only the high boost systems come with the ECU

is this something i can put together myself? in terms of the hardware? or would you recommend it gets done by a pro?

[Zilli]

and is the motor able to reliably handle the extra power without affecting any stock components?

[Surrufus]

stock components should be able to handle 6 to 9 psi boost depending on the condition of the engine

[saxman]

you will be much more limited by the amount of boost the engine can handle on the jrsc compared to a turbo set up. The extra heat from the jrsc(blowers are inherently less thermally efficient than a turbo, so it'll always blow more heat, heat is bad) and the lack of an intercooler really limits the amount of boost than can be ran before the onset of detonation without having to seriously retard timing, etc.


The base kits come with some fuelmanagement that is completely unacceptable... you'll need something better. Hondata will work fine.


It's really quite unfortunate though... so much work for forced induction without any of the torque gains that make it all worth while.

[Perry]

my menchanic at the moment has installed Vortec turbine version supercharger and the good thing u can add an BOV power delivery and torque is very noticeable

[saxman]

my menchanic at the moment has installed Vortec turbine version supercharger and the good thing u can add an BOV power delivery and torque is very noticeable
peak boost at redline and a very minimal torque boost over stock? not my idea of a good time...


I know a lot of people say they want a s/c to be different, etc.. but there's a good reason that they aren't used more commonly on a honda... turbos are just far better for this application.

I know several people that had a s/c for a while, then tried a turbo, and all say they would never go back.

[Slow96GSR]

A turbo kit is the way to go but if you want a s/c go with it... if you have the time and money. A good s/c kit will run you $3,500USD or more, but a good Turbo kit with Hondata or the AEM EMS will start at $3,000USD and go up from there. Take of $1k-$1,500 for the Hondata/AEM EMS if you don't want those parts yet. Piecing together a s/c kit is hard. Only a specific part with fit where as a turbo you can use just about any part you want, until you get in to the turbos internals or what flanges you have.

[00UCH]

but with a turbo there is more work like you need a turbo manafould and dump pipe.....where as a SC it bolts in easyer....and i think they are more responseve then a turbo...i have always had turbo cars.

[saxman]

but with a turbo there is more work like you need a turbo manafould and dump pipe.....where as a SC it bolts in easyer....and i think they are more responseve then a turbo...i have always had turbo cars.
ever pulled off the intake manifold? certainly not easier than installing a turbo... quite a bit harder imo

[00UCH]

I no a guy thats done 2 SC and he said there heaps easyer then a turbo..it take like 30-60mins to do a SC.

[saxman]

give me access to a lift, air tools, and a complete bolt in kit, and I could do a turbo in 30-60 minutes

[00UCH]

we just need a the SC and pipein and shit NO LIFT NO AIR TOOLS...and it will be done in 30-60 minutes....So there for a SC is easyer. IMO

[ATTS98]

i always wanted a s/c because it is easier (from the outside) to pass by without being noticed by the cops.

whereas when i think of gong turbo and putting a FMIC (i love the look of it) i'd be paranoid that any cop that drives past will see its a boosted honda and sticker me cos they feel like it.

[Slow96GSR]

I am willing to bet no kit, even a bolt on kit (turbo or s/c) will be done in 30-60 min. I would put $100USD on it!

[saxman]

i always wanted a s/c because it is easier (from the outside) to pass by without being noticed by the cops.

whereas when i think of gong turbo and putting a FMIC (i love the look of it) i'd be paranoid that any cop that drives past will see its a boosted honda and sticker me cos they feel like it.
a little black paint, and that intercooler looks like a radiator and is completely unnoticable


also, any supercharger set up even remotely worth while will have some sort of intercooler.

[00UCH]

I am willing to bet no kit, even a bolt on kit (turbo or s/c) will be done in 30-60 min. I would put $100USD on it!

when i enhd up SC my car ill time it and see how long it takes.

[Slow96GSR]

when i enhd up SC my car ill time it and see how long it takes.

Do an unedited video for proof and will make a great DIY post!

[strafe]

I no a guy thats done 2 SC and he said there heaps easyer then a turbo..it take like 30-60mins to do a SC.

I thought that post was brilliant!!! Granted, mounting a Vortech blower on a honda would prob. take no more than an hour... Experienced workshops would take around 4-6 hours to do a complete honda kit (fuelling, piggyback, testing etc).

As far as the B16 goes, choosing a supercharger kit is fairly simple.

If you want low down power and torque under 4000rpm, go the Eaton kit by Jackson Racing. The only downside is it runs out of puff at the top end of the rev range due to using an M62 supercharger.

If you want top end power 5000rpm and up, go the Vortech kit. Sure, you have to keep the car on song to make power, but how often is your civic under 4000rpm during some spirited driving?? Power is easy to control, as the more you rev, the more boost is produced.

The powerdyne unit although silent (uses internal belt), is a bit bigger than the vortech unit, and may be a bit peaky for use on a 1.6L.

The only problem i have seen with most turbo kits is they require removing the air-con condenser (generally big hp kits). Other than that, a turbo kit be a good option.

[saxman]

there's no need to remove the a/c with a turbo set up... there are always ways around it... just depends on what manifold you use, etc... if you want to keep it, you can


with a jrsc, you're really limited by the thermal efficiency of the unit. It's bad enough as is, but if you ever decide you want more boost, you're extremely limited by the lack of an intercooler. Very very very bad.

With the vortec, you have something that behaves sorta like a turbo in that you don't have instant boost. Unfortunately, you have horrible lag(as it isn't until redline that full boost is achieved), and the torque they produce is pathetic.