exhaust

[chi_gsi]

ey just another noob question, i got a stocked exhaust on atm and lookin to just buy a exhaust tip, just wondering if that will make a sound difference after i instal lthe after market one

http://www.redpepperracing.com/galle...6749-2/aae.jpg
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[JaCe]

I'm also interested to know... Gelo has been telling me about catbacks and stuff. I'm inclined to think the tip just looks good and won't change the sound- but i'm also a n00b.

[DreadAngel]

If its just the tip (like the stubby lil chrome tip you get on stocky exhaust) then I'd imagine it wouldn't, the sound difference only comes when you replace entire one half of the exhaust system or the entire lot... But thats what I think

[mugeneration]

Nar no difference mate. The tips dont do anything but look good.

[mrwillz]

a muffler will change the sound
not a tip

[EK9_boi]

I'm also interested to know... Gelo has been telling me about catbacks and stuff. I'm inclined to think the tip just looks good and won't change the sound- but i'm also a n00b.

tips don't change the exhaust note. Why don't you just wait a bit until some REAL options become available from Japan???

btw, don't call yourself a n00b cos the way you think determine how you act! ;)

cheers

[LEVIN GTV]

Yes.

If you go to an exhaust shop, and you remove the muffler and replace it with a sports muffler with a tip then yes it will.

However if you keep the muffler, and just put a 'tip' on the end, it will still alter the exhaust emission noise, but not as sporty as the first option.

This is a good way to get a cheap, but sporty sounding exhaust note to your car.

The sound is dependent on the size in inchies of the exhaust pipes, the extractors, the cat, the muffler and the tip. Changing any of these features on your car will result in changes of the exhaust note in your car.

Obviously the large in diametre, the deeper/dronier the sound. Best idea is to go to a local reputable exhaust shop, and get them to show you the options which suit you and your budget.

SOME OPTIONS:Just approximate prices for a car like a civic...
NB: Packages such as buddy club etc, can be purchased but are obviously more expensive. This is just a guide...

0-$300 - New sports muffler and tip

0-$500 - Cat back exhaust. This refers to new piping from the catalyic converter, to your muffler. Normally involves a cannon of somesort.

0-$800 - Full exhaust system. From the manifold back, new piping (stainless or mild steel), high flow cat convertor, and muffler.

0-$1500- Full Exhaust sytem. Extractors, and piping from the manifold back, (stainless or mild steel), high flow cat convertor, and muffler

* Often the end price of the system is dependent on the size of the piping, the quality of the parts used in the system and the difficult of your car, along with the rates per hour of your exhaust shop.

Go and ask an exhaust shop what they can do for you. They get heaps of new people there and are always willing to help...

CHEERS

[chi_gsi]

well im not sure wot u call it, but its one of these:
Carbon Wrapped Autotechnica Exhaust
2" quater inlet
angle cut
if that helps....
http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/d/86749-2/aae.jpg

[LEVIN GTV]

Yes, replacing your item with the muffler currently in place will alter the exhaust noise...

Would cost at exhaust shop around $100 to install. Id say it would need to be flanged out form the stock exhaust pipe to fit the 2" inlet.

Best of luck bud.

[EK9_boi]

well im not sure wot u call it, but its one of these:
Carbon Wrapped Autotechnica Exhaust
2" quater inlet
angle cut
if that helps....

Please keep your money!

[mugeneration]

Yeah man you dont want that, trust me.

[chi_gsi]

lol seriosue??? how come?!

[JaCe]

What's wrong with it?

[LEVIN GTV]

Very low quality exhaust mate...Better to save your cash and get a better japanese brand. ie. apexi etc

cheers

[integral90]

Get a twinloop, they sound good :)

Japanese mufflers are generally good quality, but then there are companies like XForce, 3A etc.

[chi_gsi]

ar k, so that muffler not good??
bad qulity?? does that mean it will effect the car's performace or?? mean like it will break down or sumthin?!?! :confused: lol

[integral90]

the muffler would be okay if you didn't really care that much, or it was just a temporary thing.

1. the quality is okay, but not great.
2. because of this, the sound would probably be terrible
3. mufflers don't really affect performance, you'd be lucky to lose or gain a hp with change of muffler.
4. mufflers don't generally 'break down' but if there is bad quality build to it then it can more easily be destroyed from impact etc.

hope this helps

[Tobster]

If you just change the "pretty tip" on a stock exhaust you won't change the sound. If you really want to get technical, actually the tip can affect the sound on a sports exhaust: sound is directional, so if you think of your muffler like a speaker, which way you direct it affects which way the sound disperses. Similarly, the shape of the tip -- whether it flares out or in -- and whether it's a single wall or dual wall rolled tip can all affect the sound -- like a musical instrument. But overall, the sound is more determined by the engine, the size of the exhaust pipe and the muffler.

[civicCXI]

i've seen lots of lancer with the tip changed and it sounds different (deeper). The muffler looks stock to me

[Zdster]

i've seen lots of lancer with the tip changed and it sounds different (deeper). The muffler looks stock to me

Sometimes it is hard to tell (as you can get a range of oval mufflers with the internals changed).

As stated, you may get some slight sound differences due to the tip (ie put a really small tip on the end of a free flowing muffler and you reduce the output volume alot therefore effecting sound) however things like pipe size, resonators, mufflers etc are more likely to change the sound of the car.

[chi_gsi]

ar k fair enough, so wot u guys htink of that exaust in the 1st post??
is it just st8t up sh**?? or is it like reasonble

[Q_ball]

Your link doesnt work buddy.

[EK9_boi]

Your link doesnt work buddy.

ditto. But seriously, I hope you get the idea by now... :p

here, I've done some run aound for you: GET THIS - it's for a DC2 but it should fit??? (someone more knowledgible about Tegs correct me here if I'm wrong) -

http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/exhaust/muffler/silent/lineup/32016ah018.html
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/gt_echo/32016ah018-2.gif

Call up BD4s and ask for Thomas Lee

Phone: 02 9817-7711
Fax: 02 9879-3366
Address: 27 College St, Gladesville
NSW 2111 Australia
Email: Thomas Lee, National Sales Manager [sales, price, dealer enquiries] tom@bd4s.com.au
http://www.bd4s.com.au/

Cheers

[chi_gsi]

ar sorry
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aae8bp.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaa3qv.jpg

carbon wrapped autotechnica exhaust
2" quater inlet, angle cut
$100
worth it?

[EK9_boi]

ar sorry
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aae8bp.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaa3qv.jpg

carbon wrapped autotechnica exhaust
2" quater inlet, angle cut
$100
worth it?

Keep your money dude!!! Please keep your money!!! Please!!! arghghghghgharghgharaha.... (someone stop me from slashing my wrists to get this point across!!!)

READ MY PREVIOUS POST PLEASE !!!

[Q_ball]

For a muffler, that price aint to bad.
With regards to performance, it won't do anything but provide you with noise.
This muffler aka as Fart Cannon :)

[chi_gsi]

haha ok thanks guys:thumbsup:
lol fart cannon, im gussing thats a bad thing..:p

[EK9_boi]

haha ok thanks guys:thumbsup:
lol fart cannon, im gussing thats a bad thing..:p

Hmm, go figure...:p get the HKS exhaust system - it'll rock!

cheers

[Zdster]

ar sorry
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aae8bp.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaa3qv.jpg

carbon wrapped autotechnica exhaust
2" quater inlet, angle cut
$100
worth it?

What you have shown there is a muffler. That will definetly change the sound of your car. Assuming that it is straight through it will also make it louder.

[JaCe]

I know this is gonna sound weird but I want that noise which sounds like... a low rumbling noise.. but it's not like a fart cannon? It's not disruptive, it just sounds like a much meatier exhaust. Not sure what you call that exactly!

[EK9_boi]

I know this is gonna sound weird but I want that noise which sounds like... a low rumbling noise.. but it's not like a fart cannon? It's not disruptive, it just sounds like a much meatier exhaust. Not sure what you call that exactly!

GET A MUGEN MUFFLER!!! or a HKS one when it comes out already!!! :p You can afford a ~$30k and you can't invewst ~$1K to make it nice? YMGC! :p

cheers

[JaCe]

Haha I gotta make sure that they are the ones which you can fit without voiding the warranty- and then gotta find a place to import it and install for me.

And $1k- gotta save up for that! Maybe saving up is an incentive to wait for the HKS one... but they both seem to fit my needs right? Gelo told me to go for a catback or something so it won't screw anything up in terms of warranty for the car.

[EK9_boi]

Haha I gotta make sure that they are the ones which you can fit without voiding the warranty- and then gotta find a place to import it and install for me.

And $1k- gotta save up for that! Maybe saving up is an incentive to wait for the HKS one... but they both seem to fit my needs right? Gelo told me to go for a catback or something so it won't screw anything up in terms of warranty for the car.

ALL HKS Mufflers are CATBACK, at least that's what Thomas tells me, I've purchased from him in the distant past.

Oh, for sound samples, just do a google search - someone must have uplode their muffler sound for the world to hear!

I don't see HOW a muffler can void the warranty, usually, warranty issues only arise if the altered "system" significantly alters the performance of the vehicle (to it's detriment) - a GOOD muffler is unlikely to cause ANY damage to your exhaust system at ALL. In fact, relieving the exhaust system of unecessary backpressure IMPROVES performance at the top end.

Mufflers are so easy to install/uninstall that I wouldn't even ask the mech to fit it for you. All you need is some basic garage tools and a hydraulic jack or roll on stands that allow you some wriggle room under your car with relative safety. You'll be right.

Cheers

[JaCe]

Haha.. I live on a hill- no such luck with flat area... but I'll look into it (plan to research it more when I'm free).

With the link you showed me before (or someone else perhaps in another thread)- http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40261 ... is that $1150 muffler the thing we're talking about?

My father tried to tell me something about back pressure if you fit the muffler wrongly or put on a cheapo crap one? He claims he used to be a street racer in a Kingswood or something... back in his day!

Sigh, I am suddenly ... drooling over these things. Seems lame, but I can't help but think about car parts now... I wonder if other people get like this when they see sweet car parts available for their car.

[integral90]

Sigh, I am suddenly ... drooling over these things. Seems lame, but I can't help but think about car parts now... I wonder if other people get like this when they see sweet car parts available for their car.

welcome to every member on heres life :p

if you want a really meaty sound, then take the whole muffler off ;)

But seriously, you can do whatever you want with your exhaust. You can go from a hole in the stock muffler to a whole system. If you go for a good quality muffler (Spoon, Apexi) then it is gonna sound awesome. If you want to go further and get new catback and headers it's going to sound even better. Just do what makes you happy though man

[chi_gsi]

ey guys i just went to my local muffler shop, and they said they will do a whole custom exhaust for me for $350, dont know if any of u guys had the custom made up ones? just wondering if they r any good or any differences?

[integral90]

$350 sounds pretty cheap man... is it full system, or just catback?

you also have to remember that 'custom made' isn't like a brand, there is no middle-ground in quality. Every shop will do different quality work to another.

[chi_gsi]

yea the guy says it will give me a 2yrs warrenty, and yea they said it will take about 3hrs of work just welding n stuff on the spot,
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32016ah01820ec.gif
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ just a piC of which part is gonna b made
thankS

[Zdster]

ey guys i just went to my local muffler shop, and they said they will do a whole custom exhaust for me for $350, dont know if any of u guys had the custom made up ones? just wondering if they r any good or any differences?

For $350 you are either getting a huge discount or they work for peanuts. I would be asking serious questions like what sort of work the plan to do, what is a "custom exhaust" etc. For the price I would expect a muffler bolted on (and that isnt a custom exhaust).

Everybody that is asking questions in this thread needs to do some more research. Firstly, understand what exactly an exhaust system is (ie what are headers/extractors, catalytic converter, resonators, mufflers, axlebacks, catbacks etc). Then you need to understand what you want to achieve with your car - power, sound or both? Then start enquiring about different brands - ie local brands that are made up vs overseas brands that come as more of a 'kit'.

Start looking here:
Headers - http://superchevy.com/technical/engines_drivetrain/exhaust/0504sc_header/
Cat - http://auto.howstuffworks.com/catalytic-converter.htm
Mufflers and resonators - http://auto.howstuffworks.com/muffler.htm

Please look at these links and then ask questions!

[integral90]

and also the part you have highlighted is half of a b-pipe... I think he would be making all that is in that picture if he was going to.

but what Zdster is saying is exactly true, you all have the internet, it's a simple search to find the basics.

[dudeling7]

$350 is pretty cheap for a system. unless it only is the b pipe and not a cat back. i paid $500 for my cat back 2.25 inch system and muffler. Theres lots of factors that influence the cost of the overall system though, these include;

1. mild steel or stainless steel piping
2. press bend or madrel bend
3. diameter of the exhaust system
4. type of muffler you use
5. number of resonators or hotdogs

theres most of tem i think but yeh, custom is not a bad option to go, have a shop around at different reputable exhaust places. Brands re more expensive but most of them are proven gains so you have that piece of mind. Also the they are made of top quality products. If you have the budget then go for a jap brand, if not then i think custom is also a good way to go as long as you choose the right elements to suit your engine/car etc.