Hondata Group Buy

[macoman69]

Does anybody know why the thread was moved from the trader section.

I hope it wasnt moved into the moderator thread ;)

[matt]

i was wondering the same thing.

[DreadAngel]

Erm... Group Buys aren't allowed in Ozhonda? I think thats the reason

[macoman69]

They have done it before (Type R gearbox) (Same trader)

[toE]

It has been moved as we are waiting a response from the author about the sale.

[matt]

they would have closed it if it was for that reason but they moved it, weird.

[macoman69]

How are people supposed to know about it coming then
(Some people might have to save for this group buy???)

P.S. Mr Toda can edit a post just like the rest of us.
I wonder if OZHONDA mods get better discount (like extra 5% - 10%)

[Zdster]

I wonder if OZHONDA mods get better discount (like extra 5% - 10%)

How does this comment have any relevance to the question of why the thread was moved? If mods were to get a bigger discount, wouldnt it be in there interest to leave the thread open therefore gaining more interest and getting a larger discount?


How are people supposed to know about it coming then
(Some people might have to save for this group buy???)


As Mr T. stated. Wyn/the mods are waiting to hear back from the thread starter, following which a decision will be made about the legitamacy of the thread.

[revNhevN]

read about it here:
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=314

[CTR Coupe]

Moved to site discussion.

[wynode]

Just to clarify, traders are allowed pre-orders (otherwise known as group buys). There is a different issues however and I'm talking to Adrian from Toda about it.

And no it wasn't moved so that moderators can benefit or anything like that :p

[vtec_jet]

I wonder if OZHONDA mods get better discount (like extra 5% - 10%)


ur such a n00b and a half...

[kongfu]

me2...i was gonna ask the same question....

[DynoDave]

:rolleyes: To much bullshit is going on around this site these days.
Regards Dyno Dave

[TODA AU]

I wonder if OZHONDA mods get better discount (like extra 5% - 10%)

So there is no confusion,
Any discount we offered to OZHonda moderators in the past is over.
You can all have a cry now as you've only yourselves to blame.

Also for the record,
The original reason the thread was moved by CTR Coupe was :

no group buys EVEN FOR TRADERS, he should change the title to preorder. win or ben can you folllow this up please

Of course macoman69 states correctly that we've done it before...
Fact is most traders have...
Wanting me call it a Pre-order is just plain nitpicking bullshit.

[CTR Coupe]

Actually i didn't move it i only reported it :P
Win was the one that moved it. and it was for other reasons :P

PS. ive move the new thread :)
what can i say ive had too many coffee enama's

[wynode]

It wasn't moved because it was a groupbuy. It was moved (by me) because the thread was posted up by James from Hondata and not by Toda Racing Australia. Doing this is against our terms and conditions of having one account per person. Not only that but James is also currently banned. Groupbuy / preorder ......same thing.......and that is not why the thread was moved by me.

As for the record I have no 'weird vendetta' against James. My only beef with James is that he continually fails to follow our rules, that is why he is currently banned and that is why he posted up that thread using Toda's account. I don't sell ECUs and neither does Ozhonda so I don't see why I would have something against Hondata?

I even oferred James a partnership with Ozhonda which he declined. The only time he wanted to join up as a trader was after he was banned for unauthorised advertising. After that he demanded his account be reinstated and be put on as a trader (not before threatening to abuse his trader rights). I don't like threats and I don't think anyone would either.

It only costs $30 per month to be a trader on here so I don't see what the fuss was about. Our rules are simple and James isn't an exception to it.

Adrian / Toda has been trading on Ozhonda for a long time and we have had no dramas whatsoever up until now.

Our rules are simple so I'm sick of the blam being put on me/the mods simply because people can't follow the rules. I'm waiting for a reply from you Adrian......I thought we would be able to settle this in private but I guess not.

[zorrt]

Arent groupbuys and preorders different? Pre orders mean you are getting things in stock soon and allow people to reserve one in the case where stock runs out. Group buys you are only ordering if theres enough interest.

I think pre-orders should be allowed. Its up to the decretion of the seller to decide if he wants to hide his groupbuy behind the pre-order status tho and of course face consequence if he/she gets found out.

[bennjamin]

Arent groupbuys and preorders different? Pre orders mean you are getting things in stock soon and allow people to reserve one in the case where stock runs out. Group buys you are only ordering if theres enough interest.


that appears to be the exact same thought I have...

group buys are hardly safe ~ every opportunity is there (and has happened in the past) for a individual to run away with deposits or even full price of many members. Its usually run by a single person looking at cashing in on it (they may have a friend who gets a cut too etc)...the "more" the "merrier" (better for who ? the buyee or the organiser lol)
Pre-orders are simply a demand-based thing where the goods ordered are the goods sold.

All in all , its protecting you from yourselves :)

[TODA AU]

It wasn't moved because it was a groupbuy. It was moved (by me) because the thread was posted up by James from Hondata and not by Toda Racing Australia. Doing this is against our terms and conditions of having one account per person. Not only that but James is also currently banned. Groupbuy / preorder ......same thing.......and that is not why the thread was moved by me.

As for the record I have no 'weird vendetta' against James. My only beef with James is that he continually fails to follow our rules, that is why he is currently banned and that is why he posted up that thread using Toda's account. I don't sell ECUs and neither does Ozhonda so I don't see why I would have something against Hondata?

I even oferred James a partnership with Ozhonda which he declined. The only time he wanted to join up as a trader was after he was banned for unauthorised advertising. After that he demanded his account be reinstated and be put on as a trader (not before threatening to abuse his trader rights). I don't like threats and I don't think anyone would either.

It only costs $30 per month to be a trader on here so I don't see what the fuss was about. Our rules are simple and James isn't an exception to it.

Adrian / Toda has been trading on Ozhonda for a long time and we have had no dramas whatsoever up until now.

Our rules are simple so I'm sick of the blam being put on me/the mods simply because people can't follow the rules. I'm waiting for a reply from you Adrian......I thought we would be able to settle this in private but I guess not.

Rules are rules...
The issue was resolved & still the 2nd post was moved ?
The so called rules should be applied both ways,
Not just on non moderators.

[tinkerbell]

F#@K you Win...

Don't pretend to be nice & namby pamby...
You're a stupid C@Nt.
Don't ever pretend to tell me what I can & can't do in my trader's section.
You are nothing but a wee wee playing internet gymp.

Rules are rules...
Sove 'em up your arse...
I've had a gut full of this OZHonda B/S...
Give me my money back & delete every post I ever made...

Bunch of wankers...

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/u_be_banned.jpg

[zorrt]

Yea in the end its up to the buyer to place their trust anyways. But guess it cant be helped, people will always find others to blame when they get rooted anyways. Thats why I guess you guys stopped group buys?

Toda, dude u need to calm down or take it to PM.

[macoman69]

No TODA is completely right.

I back TODA 100% on everything he has said.

And I think it should be settled here in front of everybody so that we all know what really happens

[zorrt]

I'm not saying hes right or wrong, just saying to calm down as in refrain from swearing. Otherwise what good would come of it when he'll just get banned and not be able to have his say?

[yourfather]

that appears to be the exact same thought I have...

group buys are hardly safe ~ every opportunity is there (and has happened in the past) for a individual to run away with deposits or even full price of many members. Its usually run by a single person looking at cashing in on it (they may have a friend who gets a cut too etc)...the "more" the "merrier" (better for who ? the buyee or the organiser lol)
Pre-orders are simply a demand-based thing where the goods ordered are the goods sold.

All in all , its protecting you from yourselves :)

I doubt that Adrian from TODA, who is well known and respected in many magazines, publications and mentioned on many websites, and trusted with expensive cars, is going to run to Vanuatu with our money.

I feel that if you pay the $30 fee to be a trader on here, and you have a good reputation, why shouldnt you be given the benefit of the doubt. That is why I don't agree with the threads being moved at all. You're just going to piss people off needlessly. What do you wanna clarify. It's all semantics

Group buy is the same as a pre-order. He has pretty competitive prices compared to some of the other traders. I've even posted in other peoples threads that they're more expensive than TODA_AU and I've been told via PM to shut my mouth. (by the trader, not the moderators).

I hope that the thread is moved back into the trader section, and an apology is made for removing it in the first place.

[Zdster]

I doubt that Adrian from TODA, who is well known and respected in many magazines, publications and mentioned on many websites, and trusted with expensive cars, is going to run to Vanuatu with our money.

I feel that if you pay the $30 fee to be a trader on here, and you have a good reputation, why shouldnt you be given the benefit of the doubt. That is why I don't agree with the threads being moved at all. You're just going to piss people off needlessly. What do you wanna clarify. It's all semantics

Group buy is the same as a pre-order. He has pretty competitive prices compared to some of the other traders. I've even posted in other peoples threads that they're more expensive than TODA_AU and I've been told via PM to shut my mouth. (by the trader, not the moderators).

I hope that the thread is moved back into the trader section, and an apology is made for removing it in the first place.

The issue (as far as I understand it) is not that Toda was organising a group buy, but more so that someone else was using his forum name. The mods just wanted clarification on what was taking place that is all.

[bennjamin]

I doubt that Adrian from TODA, who is well known and respected in many magazines, publications and mentioned on many websites, and trusted with expensive cars, is going to run to Vanuatu with our money.

I feel that if you pay the $30 fee to be a trader on here, and you have a good reputation, why shouldnt you be given the benefit of the doubt. That is why I don't agree with the threads being moved at all. You're just going to piss people off needlessly. What do you wanna clarify. It's all semantics

Group buy is the same as a pre-order. He has pretty competitive prices compared to some of the other traders. I've even posted in other peoples threads that they're more expensive than TODA_AU and I've been told via PM to shut my mouth. (by the trader, not the moderators).

I hope that the thread is moved back into the trader section, and an apology is made for removing it in the first place.

Not aimed at TODA AU or any individual - simply an explaination of why we do not allow "group buys" on Ozhonda. Traders are allowed "pre-orders"...but that is not the issue of why the thread was relocated.
There is a conflicting issue of another previous member of this site which is to be discussed between the sites Owner/admin and TODA AU.
Frankly speaking , its no ones business but theirs.

[yourfather]

I agree that people shouldn't post using other peoples accounts.

Apologies, I thought that Adrian posted it.

I just hope that TODA AU doesn't decide to get his money back. He is a good asset to have on here.

[ProECU]

I vote for money back.
TODA has enough exposure to generate business without this forum.

Maybe then the moderators just might wake up and come back to reality.

[e240]

No TODA is completely right.

I back TODA 100% on everything he has said.

And I think it should be settled here in front of everybody so that we all know what really happens

Right with Toda - 100%.

This has to be resolved openly. Though the Mods "own" the site,
there must be some level headness in managing it.
So far, it looks like the mods are exibiting behaviours typical to newbies who just have moderator status for the first time. I've seen these behaviours in Forums from EONs back.

Case in point, the "Search" issue, now every frigging dumb donkey is self righteously telling others to "Search it" like a parrot...

[tinkerbell]

It was moved (by me) because the thread was posted up by James from Hondata and not by Toda Racing Australia.

for anyone who missed it,

underlined above is the issue, not the group buy itself...

so keep that in mind when deciding which bandwagon to jump on...

[Zdster]

for anyone who missed it,

underlined above is the issue, not the group buy itself...

so keep that in mind when deciding which bandwagon to jump on...

Agreed. People in this thread seem a little confused. This has nothing to do with a 'group buy' and everything to do with who is posting information. The admin/mods only want clarification on the second matter.

[BlitZ]

how does one conclude it was from james.. or anyone else..

Can't adrian be in Melbourne...
got damn.. over analysis..

I think one should have the right to post what he or she likes...

And besides...Its his liability to share his account isnt it... cant really ban someone for it..

Its like saying you are going to ban say Zi for posting under Yonas's FS thread (not that they do).. even though they work together... its pretty dumb to say the least

[tinkerbell]

how does one conclude it was from james.. or anyone else..

IP address maybe?

[tinkerbell]

Its like saying you are going to ban say Zi for posting in Yonas's FS thread.. even though they work together... its pretty dumb to say the least

no, it is not - neither Zi or Yonas are banned from ozhonda.

[TODA AU]

For the record,
James (Hondata) & I are going to run a special that will include Hondata, Toda products, WORK wheels & dyno tuning.
This is something I think most members would have an interest in...

Though I had James make the post originally as it was more convenient.
The post was then removed & Win explained the reason for the removal of the post.
Though I don't agree as to why,
What was done was in fact in breach of the forum rules.
This has been rectified & will not occur again.

That said,
I then edited the thread to reflect the B/S pre-order catch phrase & re-posted it myself.
CTR Coupe then decided he would be an idiot & take things up a notch & move it again.
To say I'm annoyed would be an understatement.
I am uterly falabergasted at the moroic stupidity of all this...
It's my business how I conduct my business & who I conduct my business with.
I will not be told by some halfwit what I should or should not do.
I am quite close to walking away from OZHonda completly as it clearly has way too many twits for moderators.
Sure, a lot of the moderators I don't have a problem with.
But it's the few bad ones that make the whole situation sour.

As for the moderators discount being removed.
You can all thank CTR Coupe for that.


Adrian

[e240]

for anyone who missed it,

underlined above is the issue, not the group buy itself...

so keep that in mind when deciding which bandwagon to jump on...


So what IS the Issue again?

Toda as a Trader is obviously benefitting the relationship with Hondata, and
if I'm not wrong, Toda is almost akin to a Hondata Dealer in Sydney, judging from the other adverts.
Hence the advertisement. It is no different from Toda posting this up as their own.

Maybe its time to exercise some mental flexibility and not keep harping on who broke what rules....

[tinkerbell]

Though I had James make the post originally as it was more convenient.
The post was then removed & Win explained the reason for the removal of the post.
Though I don't agree as to why,
What was done was in fact in breach of the forum rules.
This has been rectified & will not occur again.

Adrian

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/9061/applause9ik9dw.gif

[Zdster]

Adrian, I dont think that CTR Coupe was attempting to be melicious in moving the thread. I know that I hadnt yet received word from Wyn that you had been in contact (so I can assume that he also was unaware that you had spoken and resolved the issue). As I have said in the past to other members, I hope you dont walk away from the forums due to this instance - your input is valuable and I hope that this was just an issue of a lack of information.

I personally appreciate what you give/provide to this community and I am sure that by working with Wyn that this issue can be resolved.


So what IS the Issue again?

The issue was having one member post under another members account - which according to the rules is frowned upon.

[e240]

The issue was having one member post under another members account - which according to the rules is frowned upon.

My "Question" was done sarcastically if you didn't notice.

But by Adrian's own statement as posted, then I'll have to respect that.

[ALLMTR996]

This is as good a thread as the Pulsar vs EGK20A one :thumbsup:Good on you Toda AU give-um SHIT
ALLMTR996

[panda[cRx]]

The issue was having one member post under another members account - which according to the rules is frowned upon.

a banned member at that :)

adrian if anything we were trying to do the right thing by YOU as it is your account.
from what i am led to believe there were attempts to contact you to confirm the validity of the information posted so we could resolve the issue earlier WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. there were far from any 'evil' intentions

[ProECU]

Money Back, Money Back, Money Back.............

[Weq]

I doubt that Adrian from TODA, who is well known and respected in many magazines, publications and mentioned on many websites, and trusted with expensive cars, is going to run to Vanuatu with our money.

I feel that if you pay the $30 fee to be a trader on here, and you have a good reputation, why shouldnt you be given the benefit of the doubt. That is why I don't agree with the threads being moved at all. You're just going to piss people off needlessly. What do you wanna clarify. It's all semantics

Group buy is the same as a pre-order. He has pretty competitive prices compared to some of the other traders. I've even posted in other peoples threads that they're more expensive than TODA_AU and I've been told via PM to shut my mouth. (by the trader, not the moderators).

I hope that the thread is moved back into the trader section, and an apology is made for removing it in the first place.

Nothing more then over moderation. Guys, please stop acting like gods and thinking you are so important. Hondata is used by MORE people then Ozhonda has, period. They dont give out licences to just anyone, and thinking that James i a bad trader just because he has little respect for the rules, hardly dictates these actions.

I dont care what lame excuses are given in this thread. Fact is, James is the most scrutinised person ever to grace this bored. How many 'unpaying traders' have been banned and posted under different names. I know of atleast 4 or 5 and they still exist in our mists. But as soon as a hint of Hondata is posted on this site, BAM SWAT SCAM. Feeding frenzy.

[DynoDave]

Well yet again you guys have really showed your true colours the way you are treating Toda AU is in no other words a ****ING JOKE.Guys come on and wake upto yourselfs this is a PUBLIC forum not a school yard.To all the mods and including you Wyn ****ING WAKE UP before everyone loses whatever respect they have left for you.
Regards Dyno Dave

[jimmeh]

i agree with what weq said. ever since wyn and James-blkcrx had a falling out any thing to do with hondata gets wipe away. from my understanding they said blkcrx was making commercial post thru out the years that ozhonda has been up and therefore ozhonda banned him. but in this conversation (http://dnaracingworks.com/ozhonda/win-ozhonda.doc)between wyn and james u can see that they(wyn) couldnt really tell James what rules he broke. so to me this is just a personal thing.

The reason ppl are so pissed with the mods is cos they are moderating these forums on their own personal preferences. just look at what was said in the mods section when a member was banned or a post was deleted

Now that Toda is working with James he too has falling victim to the hondata/ozhonda war.

why am i sticking up for James is cos he is a friend of mine and not because im up his arse as you mods have said in your private forums. you mods would do the same for a friend.

Judging by what was said about blkcrx in the mods forum none of you have met the guy.

[rossirider]

This sucks balls, The forum is so full of policital bullshit its not funny. The only section worth looking at is the for sale section. Now that the for sale section is turning to shit, I don't know how much more this site has to offer.

[Limbo]

O well i have to say that James was prob a much more helpful guy on the forums than most. And he always tried to answer my questions and PMs.

I guess that's why he's got his own site now (apparently opening soon?), and just a note, i think his site looks better......

Comon mods you've seen what people do when you're abusive, i think the site's lost alot of credibility ever since the site hack.

[Limbo]

btw... i want a hondata ECU too!

[Zdster]

The reason ppl are so pissed with the mods is cos they are moderating these forums on their own personal preferences. just look at what was said in the mods section when a member was banned or a post was deleted

Now that Toda is working with James he too has falling victim to the hondata/ozhonda war.


I find this really interesting. All admin. (not the mods) were after was a clear explanation of who was posting the information provided. Had it been made clear originally (as it has been now), I am sure that there would not have been an issue. As per the rules and regulations of this site, we do not allow other users to post with other peoples accounts - this is clear to all. As such, there is no personal preference.

Every post after number 36 has been people jumping on the bandwagon pointing fingers left right and centre. All that the admin. has asked for was a clear explanation and yet some members seem to think that the mods have gone abused their powers/making individual judgements etc. Everything that the mods have done in this case is follow the rules. If you dont like the rules then this is a seperate issue and rather than defaming the mods/admin, they should be raised as a ligitimate point which can be addressed.

[jimmeh]

there is no personal preference.


you sure u wanna say this or do u want me to start posting things that can be found on ozhondasux.com

maybe you dont do it but it does happen

[zorrt]

Adrian, I dont think that CTR Coupe was attempting to be melicious in moving the thread. I know that I hadnt yet received word from Wyn that you had been in contact (so I can assume that he also was unaware that you had spoken and resolved the issue).

Really that is not his problem. Being mods you guys should be in full contact with each other in your little room. If a mod tells him the issue is resolved, then full stop, issue resolved. He shouldnt need to wait to get confirmation from all the other mods in the forum.

At the end of the day your customer is always right as they are paying you for advertising space. If youre gonna screw them over and make the job of runnin their business harder then I would understand if they were to never come back.

[Zdster]

Really that is not his problem. Being mods you guys should be in full contact with each other in your little room. If a mod tells him the issue is resolved, then full stop, issue resolved. He shouldnt need to wait to get confirmation from all the other mods in the forum.

It was not an issue of confirmation between mods. The mods had not had word of the relevant contact and therefore were justified (at least in my opinion) to move the thread. I would agree with you that if the mods had been told and then there was a discussion, but this was not the case.

As far as I can see, this issue has been resolved. All of the relevant parties have stated their opinions/stances and the rules set out by the admin. were enforced appropriately.



At the end of the day your customer is always right as they are paying you for advertising space. If youre gonna screw them over and make the job of runnin their business harder then I would understand if they were to never come back.

To run with that analogy, if the customer is to do something illegal, then they are not always right.

[panda[cRx]]

this is riduculous. all we were waiting for was the ok from adrian for that post.

this is not some huge conspiracy against hondata or blkcrx, adrian, elvis, santa claus or the easter bunny.

[zorrt]

To run with that analogy, if the customer is to do something illegal, then they are not always right.

Yea of course! You know what I mean.

Well I guess in the end this crap came due to lack of communication. But I guess can't be helped as everyone has their own life outside the forum.

[CUL8R]

im gonna try and not get involved coz it does nothing but snowballs. but toda is a fantastic trader on this site, this site was once a large community which is being ripped apart because of conspiracy theories. how bout we start talking about the moon landing or UFOs ect rather than ruining what will no doubt being a great opportunity for many a member on this forum, i for one wish to see this group buy go well as i wish to be a part of it, so how about we do something positive and discuss the issue that may or may not be at hand, not point fingers.

[zorrt]

read about it here:
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=314

Look in that thread. The groupbuy is still there just advertised elsewhere.

[CUL8R]

yeah but a minimum number must be reached for it to go ahead, figured if it was on OH might push a lil more numbers.

[zorrt]

Oh so it was a groupbuy hehe.

See pre-order don't have a minimum purchase number. Still don't agree they are the same thing...

[Goble]

woo hoo hondata group buy

[wynode]

Good to see everyone jumping on the bandwagon......including you Jimmeh. I have nothing personal against James / Hondata........any thing that has happened in the past / action taken against him has been based on what has happend on this site. So I don't appreciate those accusations made against me personally. Everytime someone gets banned it doesn't mean I/that moderator has something personal against them.

Anyway to the point.

The issue was another user using Adrian's account to post and that has been addressed Adrian.

I've moved your second thread back into your traders forum where it belongs and I agree that thread shouldn't have been moved (as it was posted by you and not James). I've also replied to your email.

EDIT: Sorry about the late reply to everyone as I haven't been online for awhile.

[jimmeh]

Good to see everyone jumping on the bandwagon......including you Jimmeh. I have nothing personal against James / Hondata........any thing that has happened in the past / action taken against him has been based on what has happend on this site. So I don't appreciate those accusations made against me personally. Everytime someone gets banned it doesn't mean I/that moderator has something personal against them.

Anyway to the point.

The issue was another user using Adrian's account to post and that has been addressed Adrian.

I've moved your second thread back into your traders forum where it belongs and I agree that thread shouldn't have been moved (as it was posted by you and not James). I've also replied to your email.

EDIT: Sorry about the late reply to everyone as I haven't been online for awhile.
i had to jump on the band wagon cos like a said im just defending a friend.
when all that shit when down with you and james i defended you to him aswell ask him yourself

[Slaz]

Even if the post originated from James, what is the problem seeing Adrain is a paid up Trader and Hondata dealer? Shouldnt he be able to offer such a deal regardless of any brand or product he sells?

I can understand the caution advised when dealing with individuals who just import whatever and on-sell as a trader under group buys or whatever but whoever is stupid enough to hand cash over to any of them almost deserves to lose there money ( i agree that there should be safe guards against this but any legit company that some traders are would be happy to hand over a reciept for goods and money taken on offers under group buy or pre order and if so why not allow them?

Anyone willing to help members out with great prices and worthwhile info and input on this site on any part or brand should be allowed,as these people are not respected or popular for building or selling crap.

Many people who used to hand out unbiased, useful and truthful info on here are now gone due to all the crap that keeps on happening no matter how many people say something or other web sites are created ( only joking )

Maybe mods should treat such posts as allowable or let them run until such time that both sides can explain why what has been posted or offered which it seems now has been sorted instead of jumping on it for the sake of feeling like they have done something useful for the day.

Threads like this towards mods and respected traders and contributors can only be a bad thing.