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blk_shadow
29-05-2006, 09:46 PM
hey guys,
I've been reading lots of threads, but still wondering about this.

I got a non vtec engine, and thinking to swap to b16a or b16b. but someone told me don't do that cos there is always problems after the swap.
or should I do a mini-me swap into sohc vtec instead? :confused:
since I saw a couple good 1/4 mile times.

what d'you guys say?

cheers

okocimski
29-05-2006, 09:49 PM
hey guys,
I've been reading lots of threads, but still wondering about this.

I got a non vtec engine, and thinking to swap to b16a or b16b. but someone told me don't do that cos there is always problems after the swap.
or should I do a mini-me swap into sohc vtec instead? :confused:
since I saw a couple good 1/4 mile times.

what d'you guys say?

cheers

Problems after a swap..... Depends who does it for you. My swap had very small problems, i mean small, but in the end was worth it. Go with your heart, but just get sombody reputable to do the swap.

Many people will agree i imagine :D

aimre
29-05-2006, 09:52 PM
Turbo.... Cheaper, faster

blk_shadow
29-05-2006, 09:52 PM
ok, so there's a small problem.
what's the problems like?

blk_shadow
29-05-2006, 09:54 PM
Turbo.... Cheaper, faster

yeah of course:D
but for now, I'd like to go N/A with honda first.
but isn't it turbo will half your engine's age?

marte
29-05-2006, 09:56 PM
it just depends who u get it doen by. minor problems just include breaking something during the process, not connecting somehting right etc. just minor problems that could cause a few problems. If you get some one whose done it b4, then you should be good.
I'd recommend the swap, because ur sohc vtec engines gonna cost just abit more then ur labour costs. so why not go the dohc.
im planning to do a b16 or b18 swap into my car soon, depending whats the cheapest engine available in about a month.

edit: turbo wont halfen ur engines age, ppl say there engines blow etc but the most important factor abt turboing a car is tuning it right. also no cheap aftermarket turbo etc.

blk_shadow
29-05-2006, 10:01 PM
cool..!
thx Marte
let me know how u go with your swap later.

Weq
29-05-2006, 10:09 PM
man, u sound like u need a swap. turbo's can be hassels if not done right. swaps have been done a million times and will give u a reliable increase in performance.. just dont expect tooo much because u will be disapointed, esp with a b16

okocimski
30-05-2006, 08:28 AM
ok, so there's a small problem.
what's the problems like?

Things like a front gearbox mount not matching up, so i have to get one still.
and just lil things like my coil shitting itself. Also I was missing the map sensor, si it was on my TB on the d16 and on the b16 it was firewall mounted.

Get a halfcut, unlike me, where i had a stripped out halfcut a mate had at his place. Then atleast you will have all the bits you need.

these are minor problems as i described, as they are usually easy to get.

Its never as easy as just throwing her in, theres always gonna be something that goes wrong.

As for performance, i noticed heaps, cos my D16A8 was on her last legs at 200,000 Km's

Q_ball
30-05-2006, 10:01 AM
man, u sound like u need a swap. turbo's can be hassels if not done right. swaps have been done a million times and will give u a reliable increase in performance.. just dont expect tooo much because u will be disapointed, esp with a b16
Ditto!
anything not done right will result in problems, both NA and FI.
if you're scared about something going wrong, simply dont mod your car!!
what car do you have btw?
im assuming a civic yeh?

barefootbonzai
30-05-2006, 10:14 AM
people just telling you lies. I've done about 10 swaps, no issues yet.

all_motor_baby
30-05-2006, 11:20 AM
what this guy said ^^^ swaps are good turbo is good just pick one that suits you :P

EGB16A
30-05-2006, 03:00 PM
If your going to do a swap, bet a b18c.... don't even bother with a b16a.

EGB18CT
30-05-2006, 09:44 PM
B18C swap for sure DOOOOO ITTTTT! im starting to put my beast in the eg on thursday!

No-VTEC
31-05-2006, 12:31 AM
i heard that you need to get an engineers cert when you swap from 1.6 to 1.8 ... is this true ?

and if you're putting a b18c into an EG .or EK for that matter, do you need to strengthen the chasis ?? (ie ..more than struts and sways ...extra reinforcement ???

and not to sound like a bitch ... =p ... but are you then going to tell insurance that you swapped a 1.8L DOHC VTEC engine into an EG ?
i think they will hate it and charge you more $$$ ...

just some thoughts ... i have an EK and had considered this a while ago.
so these were some of the things i had thought about before i decided now was not the time to do it.

just curious

Q_ball
31-05-2006, 12:57 AM
i heard that you need to get an engineers cert when you swap from 1.6 to 1.8 ... is this true ?
Yes


and if you're putting a b18c into an EG .or EK for that matter, do you need to strengthen the chasis ?? (ie ..more than struts and sways ...extra reinforcement ???
you jst need the engine mounts from the integra.
as far as the eg chasis goes, no extra strengthening is needed.


and not to sound like a bitch ... =p ... but are you then going to tell insurance that you swapped a 1.8L DOHC VTEC engine into an EG ?
i think they will hate it and charge you more $$$ ...
obviously whatever modifications you do to your car, you're going to have to advise the insurance company.
sure you may get away with not telling them if you dont have an accident, but if something was to happen to you, and they realise that you have a transplanted 1.8L rather than a 1.6, then the insurance company may choose to void your policy.

dan_lee
31-05-2006, 02:06 AM
when i was quoted by just cars insurance on b16a and b18c converted civic, both came out to be almost the same price for fully comp insurance.

blk_shadow
31-05-2006, 09:02 AM
Ditto!
anything not done right will result in problems, both NA and FI.
if you're scared about something going wrong, simply dont mod your car!!
what car do you have btw?
im assuming a civic yeh?

yep, an EK civic

EGB16A
31-05-2006, 09:24 AM
when i was quoted by just cars insurance on b16a and b18c converted civic, both came out to be almost the same price for fully comp insurance.

I rang insurance about a turbo kit for my civic, and it made no difference to the price of my premium, they just wanted to know what mods were on the car.

HOWEVER.... if i were to put wheels on my car, that would attract a larger premium. I would have thought that having a higher performance vehicle would have sent insurance through the roof LOL...

Either way, i'm not complaining, and i'm keeping my 14" fat fives:thumbsup:

EGB18CT
31-05-2006, 09:57 AM
same here i did a just cars quote yesterday and it was full comp 1200 on rating 3! with transplant, and all other mods! pretty ok i thought for rat3 and all mods listed! so yeh not to much of a difference on insurance..WOOT!

dan_lee
01-06-2006, 03:48 AM
EGB18CT - how much is your b18c swap costing u? which b18c are u using?

dan_lee
01-06-2006, 04:35 AM
s'all good, i found your link here:

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41959

DreadAngel
01-06-2006, 08:21 AM
yep, an EK civic

Not sure if this applies to Victorians but your not allowed to transplant an engine older than your actual car so that might stuff you up if you go for the B16A cause the EK civic is hmmm... much newer. Hope that helps!

EGB18CT
01-06-2006, 09:45 AM
danlee put it this way, ive lost count soo far! ever since i purchased the half cut from overseas ive been constantly buying parts even tho i got a very low $$$ atm! its been like a drug, u get addicted to it especially if you come cross good offers. the half cut landed off a integra sirg (vtir spec) cost about 5000-6000au landed about there... great condition tho like new. plus all the other parts and servicing and modifications the list goes on, better to do it properly then have lots of hassels later on and wish u had of done this while the engine was out etc......

anyway im exciteds cos the installation starts TODAY! whooo!

anyway move along with the thread!! :)

bboy_gadget
01-06-2006, 10:18 AM
Hey guys, just wondering, with the whole engine swap thing, wat if you get a b16a1or2 then added internals to the engine, how much would it cost to rebuild the engine during a transplant to make it up to 200hp or more keepin it na

cdpfxz
01-06-2006, 11:44 AM
ek vtir comes wit b16a, so he can always put one in out of that.. the age thing wont matter then. obviously wit just about ANYTHING u do to ur car theres the possibilty of having probs. provided u do it right and get someone who knows wat they're doing it will limit the chances of something going wrong by a lot and wit a b16 transplant u shouldnt hav a prob. i'd say dont even worry bout doin sohc vtec, not worth even spending ur money if u can go dohc vtec cos they'll both be converted pretty easily. just remember also to do things like change clutch etc. if u want while the engine is out cos its a lot cheaper to do it then! not essential buit as good idea.

bboy_gadget - hard to estimate a price on something like that, depends wat products u use, where u get it done, who u buy ur products off. u'll need to replace cams, ecu, valve springs, exhaust, intake, clutch, bla, bla, the list goes on....

nic :thumbsup:

bboy_gadget
01-06-2006, 11:49 AM
Ok, in regards to the sohc and dohc vtec, does the b16a1 and 2 both have dohc?

Q_ball
01-06-2006, 11:50 AM
^yes la!!

tRipitaka
01-06-2006, 11:52 AM
it'll be illegal to put in a b16a1..

bboy_gadget
01-06-2006, 11:53 AM
if they both have dohc then, i'm having trouble deciding something, i've found that the gen 1 has 160 hp and the gen 2 has 175 hp, the gen 2 is 2K and the gen one is 1K, conversion i've been quoted is 2K, will that 15hp make much of a difference? If i did some head and cam work would i just bring the gen 1 up a lil higher than a gen 2 ne way??

bboy_gadget
01-06-2006, 11:54 AM
its only illegal if the egine is older than the car, i've got a 91 civic EG, wat year did the gen 1 last get produced?

Q_ball
01-06-2006, 12:03 PM
dont know the years 100%, but basically you cant have an engine thats older than the chasis of the car.
you cant get that complied.

bboy_gadget
01-06-2006, 12:06 PM
The gen1 i heard comes out of some 89 to 91 car.. maybe I'll have to take it up with qld transport, theres like one guy u can talk 2 over the stage about modifications lol thanks man!!

cdpfxz
01-06-2006, 12:34 PM
gen 2 b16a has higher compression as well as a slightly differnt tuned ecu (i think) which both contribute to it producing more power... and its newer. but thats only jdm b16a2, b16a2 from aus-spec are the same power as b16a1 im pretty sure

nic

dan_lee
01-06-2006, 12:43 PM
danlee put it this way, ive lost count soo far! ever since i purchased the half cut from overseas ive been constantly buying parts even tho i got a very low $$$ atm! its been like a drug, u get addicted to it especially if you come cross good offers. the half cut landed off a integra sirg (vtir spec) cost about 5000-6000au landed about there... great condition tho like new. plus all the other parts and servicing and modifications the list goes on, better to do it properly then have lots of hassels later on and wish u had of done this while the engine was out etc......

anyway im exciteds cos the installation starts TODAY! whooo!

anyway move along with the thread!! :)

awesome!

make sure u document the whole swap process with lots of photo's. i know there's writeups already, but the more the merrier! :thumbsup:

bboy_gadget
01-06-2006, 01:37 PM
How can I tell the difference between a jdm and ozspec engine?? Incase the supplier is dodgy? Wats more popular these days wid EG's,b61,r or b18C?

DreadAngel
01-06-2006, 01:58 PM
A lot of the boys here run B18Cs in EGs, actually I've not seen many OH members with B16As under their hood haha

bboy_gadget
01-06-2006, 02:07 PM
I'm studyin at the mo so a B18C is out of my league, gone far enough wid credit.. I think B16 i can afford 4 now.. Thanks 4 your help guys!!

cdpfxz
01-06-2006, 08:04 PM
go to the b16a faq thread. search and u'll find it. it should answer the rest of ur questions such as telling the difference between models...

nic :thumbsup:

EGB18CT
02-06-2006, 07:27 AM
when i purchased my half cut the b18 was only like 500-600 more than the b16 engine, they will be similarly priced due to the strong market in the states.

51kCVK
03-06-2006, 01:30 AM
people just telling you lies. I've done about 10 swaps, no issues yet.



i wont k20 type R tubro done on my EG 93 sedan :) any1 that could do it 4 me prob be able 2 get hold og 20gz soon :) but i wonan runn good boost 15 psi :angel:

bboy_gadget
03-06-2006, 09:59 AM
haha dude you are looking at like 15K!! or more!! Your a mad dude if you pull that one, tell me wen u are in hot 4's1!!:wave:

51kCVK
03-06-2006, 07:09 PM
yea i mite be able 2 get 20 G loan in family name but the thing is i dono were 2 go 2 get the engine and all other modz that need 2 be done plz sugest places 2 go 2 n who 2 talke 2

Q_ball
03-06-2006, 07:27 PM
Nice idea 51kCVK, but itll cost you a lot than 15k for a K20A turbo running 15psi!
Jst the K20A conversion alone will set you back roughly 12-15k.

bboy_gadget
05-06-2006, 12:28 PM
There are some posts that have links to some suppliers, i saw a chat where some dude was going to do a K20A conversion for 12K but everyone gave him sh**, yea man but a 20G loan for a turboed K20a? y don't u try the K20Z, its in the new type S and I havne't heard of anyone turboing it yet.

tRipitaka
05-06-2006, 12:31 PM
I'm studyin at the mo so a B18C is out of my league, gone far enough wid credit.. I think B16 i can afford 4 now.. Thanks 4 your help guys!!
plus with your car.. EG3 = breeze ?
you'll have to do EFI conversion too = more money = more playing around = more risks involved..

Dylanamus
05-06-2006, 01:14 PM
I wanna doa h22a Type S conversion mmmmmm

blk_shadow
05-06-2006, 07:54 PM
I wanna doa h22a Type S conversion mmmmmm

get the newest type r (type s in oz) engine from japan, and get it fitted. I'd really interested in that:D