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slipangle
11-06-2006, 09:43 PM
Does anyone know of any reasonably reliable info on the future of the S2K?

I'm interested in getting one, but if they're releasing a Type R (or any worthwhile changes) then I might wait instead!.

|N|
11-06-2006, 09:44 PM
i dun think so man...

aaronng
11-06-2006, 09:45 PM
Most probably production will end and no new models out to replace it. Look at sales. Only 1 S2000 sold last month!

chunky
11-06-2006, 10:02 PM
yea man the s2k is going to die no future at all
not nearly as sucessful as the toyota camry

aaronng
11-06-2006, 10:20 PM
yea man the s2k is going to die no future at all
not nearly as sucessful as the toyota camry
So unfortunate that only money counts. Look at Holden, Ford and Mazda with their VXR, XR5 and 3 MPS. They don't expect to sell many, but it is a figurehead model to showcase the best of that range, so that they can sell more of the lower end models. I'd bet that if they sold the EP3 here, the number of Civic Vi hatches sold would have been higher.

Just like the Lancer and the EVO. The EVO is out of the general ricer's reach pricewise, but they go for the Lancer instead because it looks like the EVO.

.::F[L]Y::.
11-06-2006, 10:51 PM
it has been said that the 06 or 07 will be the last yr for the s2000. rumoured to be released is a new model called the XGA. It will be a 3.0L V6 convertible hardtop i think. This info was posted up on s2ki.com

ROLLED
11-06-2006, 10:55 PM
The XGA was an April fools day prank, I dont believe there is such a thing being planned.

It is a shame that Honda aren't selling that many but then again they don't exactly advertise it like they advertise the jazz, accord euro & civic etc.

I think general awareness of the car is low as well, I mean alot of people ask me about the s2000's "turbo" ??? Obviously alot of people have no idea what kind of car it is.

bigdongers
12-06-2006, 02:22 AM
The s2000 is old and too expensive. That's the sole reason for low sales. There is plenty of competition now like the 350z convertible and people are looking elsewhere. More advertising wont help.

BRU51N
12-06-2006, 02:50 AM
yeh definately, for what $70+k for a honda, is a fair bit if you compare it to alot of the other vehicles u can get.

i know the s2000 does have its own characteristics, but bang for buck, i wouldnt exactly say the s2000 is the best car to purchase brand new.

slipangle
12-06-2006, 10:47 AM
they didn't sell many NSX's, but went and produced an "R" near the end of it's production.

...hopefully they'll surprise us... surely they'll want to capitalise on all that money they spent on F1 by producing something hardcore!. ...

mugsee
12-06-2006, 06:39 PM
...hopefully they'll surprise us... surely they'll want to capitalise on all that money they spent on F1 by producing something hardcore!. ...

I think that was called the nsx

... :P

ROLLED
12-06-2006, 07:59 PM
true i think after on road costs it comes to around 85k now. The design is a few years old but it did receive a facelift in 04 which does make it look alot better. As far as technology is concerned, I dont see any other manufactures creating engines that put out 88kw/L N/A. F430 for example, 360kw/4.3L = 83.7kw/L.

slipangle
12-06-2006, 08:53 PM
I think that was called the nsx

... :P

au contraire!, that was the result of Honda's prior involvement with F1, before they pulled out and (relatively) recently re-entered again. Since BAR-Honda, I can't say they have really done a real "show off" car of what they're capable of.

Though they might concentrate resources on the upcoming NSX instead of trying to resuscitate the S2000. It'd be a shame if that were the case.

aaronng
12-06-2006, 10:30 PM
I reckon it is not just technology. Honda has to move with the times. Move, not change. Back in 1999 when the S2000 was released, the only roadsters around were the MX-5, SLK230K, Z3, Boxster (non-S), Alfa GTV and the almighty and rare M Roadster. Apart from the M, the S2000 was quicker and more agile that its competition. Plus, the S2000 was around $10,000 cheaper than the SKL230K! That was 7 years ago. In 7 years, the MX-5 gained a better chassis and more power (relative to the chassis) at a good price, SLK changed class from a sports-roadster to a roadster-cruiser, engine options of 350K and the AMG SLK55, Z4 2.8 and Z4M, Boxster S and the 350Z roadster/coupe was released. Pricewise, some stayed the same, while others went up a bit. Where is the S2000? Still the same as 7 years ago with the same price. That is the reason why no S2000s are selling. Even the 2.2L update in the USA did not get a facelift. All it had was a different bumper!

I'm not wanting Honda to put out a 3.5L V6 roadster (although if it had 300-320hp/223-238kW that would be good), but rather to release a fresh shape and follow the new trends of a car that can cruise as well as tear up the track. The k23a turbo would be a good start. Or a detuned k23a revving to 9000rpm while maintaining heaps of low RPM torque. Well, the k23a turbo exists and a 9500rpm k23a has been prepped by someone over at acurazine. So it is not impossible, all they need is a chassis and attractive styling at the price range of its rivals.

WhiteAP1
12-06-2006, 11:22 PM
S2000 type R, very unlikely.(will bet left nut it will never happen) Theres already a Mugen s2000 so i guess thats as "R" orientated the s2000 is going to get. The mugen S has new suspension,exhaust, intake,wheels, aero parts and ECU all performance focused. Now this is an extreamly low volume car. Even if Honda decided to mass produce this car or even release a 2.3ltr turbo it would cost way too much to mass produce or even make to order. Development would cost a shit load and then a price tag would be through the roof. It would be nice, but again, it would have to be built within strict boundries given by EPA and other governing bodies like that, it really just not feasable(just like the 7 litre Monaro a few years back, holden fans loved it, they just had to pay ferrari prices for it.) Also theres no way we'll get an engine that revs out to 9k rpm and have good low end tourque.The engines have poor low end tourque because they rev to 9k. So i guess from factory were not gonna get one without the other.

I dont think honda have any plans for an R version (would probably be $100k + IF we got it here in AUS) with the mugen S available and the sale figures as they are. Now if uve driven other type R's u'll see that if anything the s2000 in stock form is already on par with the "R" standard.

Generally Ppl with $100k aren't going to want to buy a boy racer version of a honda (especially with the Z4 and boxter around). Most ppl who buy the S brand new love the car and just have to have it. Alot of ppl with that amount of money coudnt justify it on a honda . I absolutly love my car, its my pride and joy, but even i have trouble justifying the "new" price tag

Even if a so called R version is released,one....probably wont be released in Australia and two.... theres nothing u cant do with aftermarket tunning to match it(just like the mugen S)Probably save u some cash too. So if ure gonna buy one, the sooner the better (IMO)

PeachExperiment
12-06-2006, 11:32 PM
Id agree that the s2000 is on its last legs. Even the name of it (s2000) is 6 years out of date.

I would imagine that Honda has something in development as we speak, in the meantime the s2000 will exist for another 12 months or so before disappearing off the showroom floors.

Cant deny it though, the s2000 is and always will be regarded as a good classic car.

:thumbsup:

mugeneration
13-06-2006, 12:32 AM
Perhaps theyll bring a couple of type Vs over to rub it in our faces :). Its just too expensive for what it is. I know its a great car, but a lot of the ozzy public looks at kilowatts as how to rate how good a car is. Tis a shame really.

ludecrs
13-06-2006, 10:55 AM
stop using stupid hp/l statistics, your starting to sound like a yanky ricer :p

ROLLED
13-06-2006, 11:56 AM
Id agree that the s2000 is on its last legs. Even the name of it (s2000) is 6 years out of date.

I would imagine that Honda has something in development as we speak, in the meantime the s2000 will exist for another 12 months or so before disappearing off the showroom floors.

Cant deny it though, the s2000 is and always will be regarded as a good classic car.

:thumbsup:

the "2000" part of the name could also be because 2 litres is 2000cc? did you ever think of that? obviously not.

yanky ricer or not haha it's a good engine, i just wished it worked under 2000rpm LOL

PeachExperiment
13-06-2006, 01:05 PM
the "2000" part of the name could also be because 2 litres is 2000cc? did you ever think of that? obviously not.



Or I could have been just making a joke. :p

ROLLED
13-06-2006, 02:59 PM
you could have, but im calling that bluff! i'm whipping out the BS flag while im at it! haha

PeachExperiment
13-06-2006, 10:22 PM
Call it what you will. But umm Im aware of the fact that the s2000 has a 2000cc Motor......its not really rocket science. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of cars would be able to draw such a conclusion.

ROLLED
13-06-2006, 10:25 PM
yeah but u had no idea it was related to the name of the car did ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TeMp
13-06-2006, 10:43 PM
sorry but i had to say this.

PeachExperiment got PWNED!

:wave:

WhiteAP1
13-06-2006, 11:13 PM
the s2000 was built and released in the year 2000 as it was an aniversary for honda, so they released a new model for the new millennium. Seeing as though the previous model was an s800 a totaly new car with a 2ltr engine, released in the yr 2000 i guess they really didnt have to think to hard about it. Even the USDM 2.2ltr is an s2000 not a s2200, but does it really matter that much....whats in a name.

ROLLED
13-06-2006, 11:23 PM
well actually it was released in 1999 in Australia and Japan, but sure 2000 if you insist...btw it's a name, i agree, hahah stupid wise crack about the name from preludenewb hahah

j3z3z
13-06-2006, 11:26 PM
well actually it was released in 1999 in Australia and Japan, but sure 2000 if you insist...btw it's a name, i agree, hahah stupid wise crack about the name from preludenewb hahah

it wasnt realeased in 2000 but it was to be a yr2000 model financial yr wise 99/00

WhiteAP1
13-06-2006, 11:29 PM
and there u have it

CUL8R
13-06-2006, 11:53 PM
lol @ ROLLED
I like ur agression, uve got spunk lol.

PeachExperiment
14-06-2006, 12:00 AM
lol @ ROLLED
I like ur agression, uve got spunk lol.

Yeah you would like that.

Ok Rolled, to satisfy your desire to win a petty argument, here goes....

I GOT OWNED PEOPLE. I know jack shit about Hondas so I should just shut up.

:D

CUL8R
14-06-2006, 12:03 AM
im sorry was that a gay joke against me?? or is it that i like it that OH doesnt live in a dream world whear everyone is right and peoples feelings are more important than technical information?

mugsee
14-06-2006, 12:41 AM
au contraire!, that was the result of Honda's prior involvement with F1, before they pulled out and (relatively) recently re-entered again. Since BAR-Honda, I can't say they have really done a real "show off" car of what they're capable of.

Though they might concentrate resources on the upcoming NSX instead of trying to resuscitate the S2000. It'd be a shame if that were the case.

The Senna assisted NSX; those were the days...

Fast forward to today and I totally agree with you that Honda should stop marketing their passenger cars containing F1 technology and they should actually create a car that actually does; Well, to a greater extent than the digital dashboards in civics and s2ks for example.

WhiteAP1
14-06-2006, 01:11 AM
Anyway now that recess is hopefully over, ure dead right mugsee hopefully we'll shortly see an example of this. The HSC looks promising but i wouldnt mind seeing something else in a more reasonable price range, with 206kw or so. The integra progressed nicely with the K20A (shame we didnt get JDM spec type R, and yes i know why we didnt) but i would love to see honda produce something as raw as the Lotus exige, l think honda could do a great job with something like that.

aaronng
14-06-2006, 01:49 AM
The Senna assisted NSX; those were the days...

Fast forward to today and I totally agree with you that Honda should stop marketing their passenger cars containing F1 technology and they should actually create a car that actually does; Well, to a greater extent than the digital dashboards in civics and s2ks for example.
Hey, the jazz has molybdenum coated pistons! What other small segment car can boast that?! The 1.8L civic VTi has piston oil jets too!

ROLLED
14-06-2006, 10:17 AM
Yeah you would like that.

Ok Rolled, to satisfy your desire to win a petty argument, here goes....

I GOT OWNED PEOPLE. I know jack shit about Hondas so I should just shut up.

:D

Finally, that's about the only decent thing you've added to this thread. yet this thread isn't about you go get over yourself!:thumbdwn:

ROLLED
14-06-2006, 10:18 AM
it wasnt realeased in 2000 but it was to be a yr2000 model financial yr wise 99/00


I guess if you live by a financial year then thats fine, I personally like to follow the calendar :wave:

PeachExperiment
14-06-2006, 11:02 AM
im sorry was that a gay joke against me?? or is it that i like it that OH doesnt live in a dream world whear everyone is right and peoples feelings are more important than technical information?

Gay joke? Huh? Uve lost me. :confused:

slipangle
14-06-2006, 01:06 PM
If Honda produced something like the Exige, it would own the raw sportscar segment!.

Can't see it happening though - a sportscar weighing less than a ton, have 150-180Kw and be so optimised for performance that it's barely usable for the road.

I can't see that they could make a case for it to the bottom line. Most specialist, low volume halo cars don't make a heck of a lot of money for their manufacturers (Porsche and Ferrari aside)... unless they can see a tangible benefit for the sales of the range as a whole. Then again, Honda has had no problems shifting Civic and Accords of late...so where's the case for it?

We just need Barrichello to win a race (won't hold my breath for Button!) and for some big wig to ride the euphoria and approve some skunk works to celebrate their first win!

WhiteAP1
14-06-2006, 03:39 PM
I guess if you live by a financial year then thats fine, I personally like to follow the calendar :wave:

Well gee, were all just thrilled to hear so. Heres an explination for all, no matter what calendar u live by

Honda created the S2000 as a birthday present to itself, in order to celebrate the company's 50th year. That is 50 years in the year 2000. The car was originally launched in 1999 as a 2000 model, and was sold through to 2003 as an AP1. Now were all aware that the car was here in 99,look at my permanent thread thats posted "99-03 service manual" (no shit?) Use ure head a bit and stop being such a smart ass. Show me a company that doesnt sell later MY the year before. The main point is the car was released for hondas 50th in the year 2000. Im sure the 1997cc had something to do with its name sake, but have a look at the 2.2 , still an s2000. It seems all these things factor into the cars name(as far as we can guess). So if u wanna flame a newbie for something so damn stupid and trivial,good for u, u must feel 10 feet high. Seeing as though u got no clue ud have to milk something as insignificant as this.

U wanna see someone get flamed, ive got somthing for u....

"Also as far as coil overs go, I was told Tein super streets are the way to go, because they have a better ride quality then the other japanese coilovers and are more suited to Australian road conditions. ie. they are softer then most coilovers so it won't hurt your ass!"

Sound famliar ROLLED. this guy was gonna drive down from Townsville for suspension, and u give him this BS advice. Tein dont even make super streets for the S2000, and then u go on about ride quality as if u got a clue. How the hell do u know about the super streets ride quality on an S if they dont even make them. Even if u specified Tein on its own, WTF does a japanese company know about Australian road conditions. Any decent coilover can be height adjusted and damper adjusted (with Tein) between 1-16 kilos, coilovers only get harder after that. So u can make them as high or as low as u like, and as stiff or as soft as u like. On the road 16kg of damper will feel the same on any coilover. And yes u can get tein that have been altered for Aus rd conditions (dont act like u knew this), but again 16kg of damper is 16kg of damper.Its not gonna save ure sensative ass. If u dont want a harsh ride dont get coilovers. And Then after that post all u have to say is...

"ok look i dont know that much about coilovers,i was told superstreets were avaliable, beats me if they're not!?!?!" Then WTF are u doing giving advice on them.i could have torn u a new one then and there but i thought theres enough BS on this forum,well too bad now. And then futher in another thread a great question on ure behalf, i thought "Whats an EDFC" How can u give advice on suspension when u dont even know what an EDFC is????? Seriously

how bout this one "did u find the cusco strut brace made the car roll less around corners?"Uve been here since 05 have u been paying any attention,or do u just like the pretty avatars. Aus chimed in with "A strut brace will have no effect on corner roll"

For someone who posts as much BS as u, u had the nerve to have a go at the new guy. Grow a spine.

Im not claiming i have all the answers but i certainly know my limits. Im not gonna chime in on a gearbox drop coz i wouldnt have a clue. Thats the difference, im here to learn and discuss and im not afraid to ask questions. But im not gonna post advice on shit i dont know about. Peach Experiment wasnt even that wrong. If he was,its a simple factual error, hes not claiming to be able to give tech advice and recomendations. U wanna act like a hero,go hang out with the kids at 7-11.

U wanna have a go at me,fine id love to see u explain y u would give advice on shit u dont know about.

U wanna flame someone,do it over something worth while,not so u can boost ure ego.

PeachExperiment
14-06-2006, 05:06 PM
Thanks for the support WhiteAP1. And all this started because I cracked a silly joke about the model name being 6 years out of date. And now i have someone who doesnt know me from a bar of soap telling me Im wrong.

Based on your theory Rolled, you probably believe that I think the s800 was made in 800 B.C. LOL!

Get a grip dude, It was a joke, A stupid joke, but a joke all the same. I hope you feel good.

For the record, I might be a newbie on OzHonda, but that doesnt mean Im a newbie around cars.

chicken8
14-06-2006, 05:14 PM
lets all take a breather and cut the animosity before ozhonda explodes

we're all friends here

PeachExperiment
14-06-2006, 05:17 PM
lets all take a breather and cut the animosity before ozhonda explodes

we're all friends here

Hahahaha sheesh, you wouldnt know it.

I think Ive just learnt the hard way the difference between OzHonda and PreludeAustralia. One is a friendly warm community interested in cars, the other is OzHonda.

:(

chicken8
14-06-2006, 05:25 PM
PA has its own problems too tho

i was on PA for a good year or so b4 the whole take over last month

i visited even tho i sold my lude already. but yeah. when u have this many ppl together in any environment theres bound to be trouble. but it'll be good if we can keep it all to a minimum

WhiteAP1
14-06-2006, 05:27 PM
im all for that, have a read of my threads. im actually here to contribute not to particiapte in a pissing conest. Im not gonna flame someone for not knowing something, again read my other threads, but i honestly cant stand this kiddy shit.One know it all smart ass ruins it for everyone.

PeachExperiment
14-06-2006, 05:28 PM
PA has its own problems too tho

i was on PA for a good year or so b4 the whole take over last month

i visited even tho i sold my lude already. but yeah. when u have this many ppl together in any environment theres bound to be trouble. but it'll be good if we can keep it all to a minimum

Ok. Well Ill do the right thing then and try not to unleash any of my dry humour on y'all. I wouldnt want to cause anyone distress by cracking a joke.

:thumbsup:

chicken8
14-06-2006, 05:33 PM
nah im not saying either of u have done anything wrong. but its just sad to see such a useful thread turn into a shit storm from page 2 onwards

i just think sometimes its better to not say anything even when u're right.

i remember b4 in the nsx thread i said nsx didnt come with power steering until 1994

and some guy goes "u fken noob, sif no power steering. a 250k car isnt gunna come out with no power steering"

i bit my tongue and said nothing. cause by saying something the whole thread will just turn into shit rather than moving forward and becoming useful to ppl like myself who's interested in getting a S2000 for my next car

but yeah. not saying either of u guys done anything wrong

skinnyboy
14-06-2006, 05:34 PM
hahah peachy, what you doing skulking round the backstreets of Ozhonda lol....

Come back to PA, theres nothing to see here....:wave:

WhiteAP1
14-06-2006, 05:38 PM
i think i held my toungue long enough, theres a difference when someone has an opinion on something, and when they try to pass that opinion off as fact, this is a forum inturn a database.Ppl shouldnt feel threatened to post questions nor should they have to sift thought a bunch if BS answers for advice or the right answer

S92
14-06-2006, 05:42 PM
PA has its own problems too tho

i was on PA for a good year or so b4 the whole take over last month

i visited even tho i sold my lude already. but yeah. when u have this many ppl together in any environment theres bound to be trouble. but it'll be good if we can keep it all to a minimum

PA doesnt have any problems - The problem was this one gay homo gel loving hippy, but we got rid off him... :thumbsup:


and this thread only turned into shit coz ROLLED tried to be a big man

ROLLED
14-06-2006, 06:39 PM
...Based on your theory Rolled, you probably believe that I think the s800 was made in 800 B.C. LOL!...

huh? my theory was about the engine capacity, yours was about the year it was manufactured in??? so "LOL!" at yourself buddy.

true i dont know much about coilovers, it was what i was actually told at a garage i went to. it's what i was told from a reputable source so I thought it would be ok to pass it on. It does indeed seem like a I have a lot to learn.

And sorry WhiteAP1, I can't bag you cos your posts cos yours always right haha anyways I think we've gotten pretty far off topic in this thread.

WhiteAP1
14-06-2006, 07:02 PM
Ure right is has gotten off topic i belive it was left at....


If Honda produced something like the Exige, it would own the raw sportscar segment!.

Can't see it happening though - a sportscar weighing less than a ton, have 150-180Kw and be so optimised for performance that it's barely usable for the road.

I can't see that they could make a case for it to the bottom line. Most specialist, low volume halo cars don't make a heck of a lot of money for their manufacturers (Porsche and Ferrari aside)... unless they can see a tangible benefit for the sales of the range as a whole. Then again, Honda has had no problems shifting Civic and Accords of late...so where's the case for it?

We just need Barrichello to win a race (won't hold my breath for Button!) and for some big wig to ride the euphoria and approve some skunk works to celebrate their first win!

WhiteAP1
14-06-2006, 08:17 PM
just thought of something,honda do own the raw sportscar segment, well sorta. The Ariel Atom. now theres a car.

skinnyboy
14-06-2006, 08:18 PM
PA doesnt have any problems - The problem was this one gay homo gel loving hippy, but we got rid off him... :thumbsup:

i thought he was emo? how did you mis that Vu?

Anyways back on the topic....

I love the exige K20's and the arial atom K20 supechargeds, imagine if they did a car the size of a Beat with a k20 in it... As if it wouln't sell!

chicken8
14-06-2006, 08:35 PM
but the atom isnt really a honda

just like how a pagani zonda isnt a mercedes benz

i think honda won't win a F1 race this year. or even next year.

i think they once wanted to be the asian ferrari but now sorta wanna be like toyota but with more imagination.

plus i think the sports car market is a dying market. most cars produced these days dun have the grunt and mean looks of the early to mid 90s. now everything is about clean lines and accessories and gadgets.

i think the RX series is a good example. rx3 to rx7 and the rx8 just has no power is a 4 door and its not an agressive looking car. same can be said about the evos in terms of looks.

the new supra and GTRs are in the same catagory i think. they're made to look fast but not meant to be driven fast. and i think honda realises that also.

although i'd love a new s2000 or a new NSX or a new integra even

azn-70y
14-06-2006, 09:27 PM
i agree the cars from early 90's to mid 90s were some of the best looking cars..... now days new cars look to spacey to mee... cup holders all over the join gadjets.. straight perfect lines.... thats y i plan to stay in the mid 90's

PeachExperiment
14-06-2006, 09:32 PM
i agree the cars from early 90's to mid 90s were some of the best looking cars..... now days new cars look to spacey to mee... cup holders all over the join gadjets.. straight perfect lines.... thats y i plan to stay in the mid 90's

Thats a fair call. Just dont put the Vanilla Ice on the stereo. :p

panda[cRx]
14-06-2006, 09:41 PM
I dont think honda have any plans for an R version (would probably be $100k + IF we got it here in AUS) with the mugen S available and the sale figures as they are. Now if uve driven other type R's u'll see that if anything the s2000 in stock form is already on par with the "R" standard.


the mugen S hasn't been released in aus. that was just a showpiece at the auto shows earlier in the year

slipangle
14-06-2006, 09:50 PM
plus i think the sports car market is a dying market. most cars produced these days dun have the grunt and mean looks of the early to mid 90s. now everything is about clean lines and accessories and gadgets.

i think the RX series is a good example. rx3 to rx7 and the rx8 just has no power is a 4 door and its not an agressive looking car. same can be said about the evos in terms of looks.




Yep, gadgets and electronics that remove the "required" input from the driver are killing sports cars. Which is why nothing AMG produces could consitute a sports car! (a FAST car, yes, but not what most people that would prefer to choose to raise the pulse!).

Having said that, we've had a few years where most mainstream manufacturers were putting more and more distractions like DSC, SMG, ESP and the ugliest of all WEIGHT, but it looks as though there seems to be a small shift towards drivers cars, and not just barges with every gadget loaded producing 1000hp and weighing 2 tonnes. AMG has announced they are focusing on producing "clubsport" cars, and BMW's new Z4M doesn't come with SMG OR electric variable steering! hallefreakinlujah. They're learning the error of their ways?!

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be anything coming our way under $100K (Elise aside) which is akin to the RX-7 or a harder core S2000. Light, powerful enough and can truly be called an exciting sports car.

WhiteAP1
14-06-2006, 09:59 PM
']the mugen S hasn't been released in aus. that was just a showpiece at the auto shows earlier in the year

Well aware of that. My point being, with a car like this already in existence, the bench mark is already pretty high. Trying to top the mugen with some sort or R version would be hard keeping it buyer friendly,ie. not too stiff or loud. Pricing would also be a bitch. Adding to my point why would honda waste time and money on an R version when there is already a mugen version. (thats not selling to well) And ive stoped going to auto shows,same stuff every year (not to mention cluless salesmen)

aaronng
14-06-2006, 10:00 PM
Unfortunately, the US reviews the cars based on the number of cupholders and storage spaces! Silly people.

PeachExperiment
14-06-2006, 10:07 PM
Unfortunately, the US reviews the cars based on the number of cupholders and storage spaces! Silly people.

LOL! For some unknown reason, storage spaces has become the hot must have item in a new car these days. All the car makers are pushing that point. Whatever happened to the good old days of a glovebox and a centre console?

:)

ROLLED
14-06-2006, 10:34 PM
...and BMW's new Z4M doesn't come with SMG OR electric variable steering! hallefreakinlujah. They're learning the error of their ways?!...

BMW can't actually fit all the required hydrualics for the SMG II into the Z4M (into the centre tunnel) that's the reason why it has no SMG II gear box, otherwise if they could fit it in, im sure they would because it would imrpove sales definately, just look at how many e46 M3s are being driven by rich ppl who don't care about the perfomance, only the badge and all bought the SMG II because they can't be bothered shifting gears.

aaronng
14-06-2006, 10:48 PM
BMW can't actually fit all the required hydrualics for the SMG II into the Z4M (into the centre tunnel) that's the reason why it has no SMG II gear box, otherwise if they could fit it in, im sure they would because it would imrpove sales definately, just look at how many e46 M3s are being driven by rich ppl who don't care about the perfomance, only the badge and all bought the SMG II because they can't be bothered shifting gears.
SMG II shifts quicker than a professional racer with a manual gearshift. So the SMG II would be faster than the manual on the 0-400m and be a selling point.

S92
15-06-2006, 02:17 PM
LOL! For some unknown reason, storage spaces has become the hot must have item in a new car these days. All the car makers are pushing that point. Whatever happened to the good old days of a glovebox and a centre console?

:)

Its because the car market is aiming at selling to females nowadays... its women's world :p notce the Tiida ad - what straight guy could possibly want that car now with an ad like that? unless they want to be called a bitch or a pussy hahaha

And anyone notice the increasing amount of ads where they make the guy looks stupid and the female soooo 'BIG' :thumbdwn:

WhiteAP1
15-06-2006, 02:56 PM
so the question is will honda put all its eggs in one basket with the HSC or will we see something bridge the gap between it(HSC) and the Type R

aaronng
15-06-2006, 03:04 PM
so the question is will honda put all its eggs in one basket with the HSC or will we see something bridge the gap between it(HSC) and the Type R
If they do bank all of their dough on the HSC, then they will lose... How many of us can afford a car above $200,000??? They should do a HSC, and then release an Integra or Civic with some form of "HSC-based technology" marketing. Of course, the Integra or Civic would have to have over 240hp like its rivals... if that is even possible with a 2.0L at such a low price point.

AsH_
30-09-2006, 10:34 AM
i think the s2k should be cheaper... so i can buy 1 !!!

mj3610
30-09-2006, 12:24 PM
if u buy a 06 s2k brand new ur buying an old car, noone wants an old car, they want to see major improvements in the model, like the new civic or the new commodore

ROLLED
30-09-2006, 01:21 PM
SMG II shifts quicker than a professional racer with a manual gearshift. So the SMG II would be faster than the manual on the 0-400m and be a selling point.

hmm haven't heard this one before, you sure your not getting it confused with a DSG gear box?

N1RAY
01-10-2006, 12:57 AM
hmm haven't heard this one before, you sure your not getting it confused with a DSG gear box?


Ahhh! the SMT arguments....

SMG1 (BMW) was a simple system, electro-hydraulic activated clutch and H pattern box, even that when put into sports mode and in the right hands was already shifting faster then BMW's test driver.

SMG2 (BMW) dont know much about the 2nd version of BMW's SMG, driven a M3 with it a few times, its much more refined then SMG1, can't tell you much on the technical side of things as i don't know.

DSG, S-tronic - Now this is an interesting topic, there is so much about this gearbox thats is superior to anything available today. There is a lot of info on the net about the DSG gearbox, a really good read. This is the quickest shifting SMT available thanks to wet pack clutches!!!!, two of em!!!! 4 clutch discs each!!!! its bloody amazing they can fit all this into a small gearbox.

The DSG can shift so quickly because it uses 1 clutch for 1,3,5 gears and the other for 2,4,(6). e.g When your in 3 gear the spare clutch has already got the 4th gear selected and ready to go, and becuase they use wet clutches they can do this as temps are much lower in wet clutches, for this same reason i think they have one of the best launch control systems aswell.

aaronng
01-10-2006, 01:20 AM
hmm haven't heard this one before, you sure your not getting it confused with a DSG gear box?
For sure. Because I got this info before VW released information about their DSG.

BTW, SMG II performs shifts in 80ms when using the most aggressive shift pattern. Can a pro drag racer do that?

BTW, DSG is even quicker at 8ms. LOL

And...... btw... all times are performed using full throttle at redline. If you are at a lower rpm, shifts might be slower.

Bunta
02-10-2006, 09:07 PM
im still gunna get one, once i get my braces off :) , i reckon the S2000 will be like the AE86 , it will neva die :) Diehard fan will allways be there like me :)

sleepyf1
02-10-2006, 11:00 PM
This thread has turned into shits because a few poeple are going off track. Here are some of the lattest rumours.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=617521