"FOB Thread" Issues

[dc2dc2dc2]

I think this needs to be discussed again, after fob thread was hijacked. :D

thoughts please.

Thanks.

[Mikeyas]

Yes i do too, some of my posts to clarify my point of view.


"Sorry i just think its wrong to start threads like this in an obviously very rich cultural environment. Excluding People based on language is still a form of racisim and i dont think it should be allowed. Very similar to lets start a thread only white people can post in..... But it doesnt matter, they are only poking fun at each other as the back up statement to an obviously wrong idea.

It just isnt right and this sort of thread shouldnt be allowed. It doesnt matter if they are poking fun at each other. It is a public forum and discimination should not be tollerated by anyone."




"This is not a duscussion about "ruining" a thread. This is a statement about the blatently racist thread you have made discriminating certain groups. Who cares if its for fun or that people like it. Create a forum based on your own biased set of racist rules and have fun there.

There are already forums like that in the more extreme sense, check out the KKK website for more insight on how some people think that its ok to exclude other groups. Might be a good read, then you can learn how to really non conform to the rules and post all sorts of crap."



Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Isn't forcing them to speak english only an act of discrimination against all other languages? In a very rich cultural environment, we are meant to embrace each other's culture and not force minorities to conform to our culture. Isn't that what you are asking for?


No offence, but it seems to me that you are discriminating against them. I come from a country that has over 5 races. Legislation in that country allows everyone to speak their own language but have to learn the national language in schools. Legislation also allows everyone to have their own religion. Anyone who opresses the other races are thrown into jail because they are trying to incite racial discrimination. So based on the legislation of the country from which I come from, what you are saying IS discrimination!

P.S., I don't understand what the people in this thread are saying. All my knowledge of their language comes from tv programs on SBS! I was brought up to speak english and I have been speaking English all these 27 years. Am I offended by this thread? No. Why? Because I don't care for the contents in this thread. Everything else in Ozhonda is in english, which I can understand and that I am satisfied with that. If a technical thread comes up in a foreign language, then I will complain about it.


I agree with
"Isn't forcing them to speak english only an act of discrimination against all other languages? In a very rich cultural environment, we are meant to embrace each other's culture and not force minorities to conform to our culture. Isn't that what you are asking for?"

ANd i dont ask for any one to have to speak english but i am saying that, that statement makes out to be my point perfectly. Forcing a group to speak cantonese in order to paticipate is discrimination.

And i think people passing the topic off as "needing to chill" to to check there values. It is wrong to make a only for the english area but right to make an only for the cantonese area?"

Please mods i dont think this should be allowed. I dont protest what they are saying but i am protesting the way they are not allowing people with out a cantonese background to participate.

[dc2dc2dc2]

The only issue i have with it is.....the "fob thread" is basically the usual old spammers. Its just another place for them to spam and its not like they don't spam in canto in the normal spam thread anywayz. Like i brought up....this could easily get out of control......ITS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR QBALL TO SPAM !!!! thats right q_ball im being a player hater king ting ! :D

[Q_ball]

How is it discriminating??
I really dont understand you man...
Its not restricting anyone from posting, the statement "keep all posts cantonese" is meerly there so that ppl will keep the thread ON TOPIC!!
Every thread has that rule, post to the theme, or the subject of the thread, and in this instance, the thread i made is a CANTONESE CHAT THREAD!!

[aaronng]

It is wrong to make a only for the english area but right to make an only for the cantonese area?
The whole forum is made for english. Have you seen the thread where someone from overseas tried to post and ask for advice but was instead told to speak proper english? I'm serious, that did happen. Humans only notice things that are different. This forum has been english only and you didn't notice that until now that someone has started a thread in a foreign language.

I can't participate in that thread because I don't know cantonese. But do I want to participate in that thread which is mostly rubbish talk? We already have the spam thread for that in english. I am on Ozhonda for the technical aspect. To learn and to contribute. If there was technical info in another language, I would be frustrated. But this thread that you are complaining about is so meaningless. I don't understand why you want it in english....

Most of the posts are of this level: "I just got home. I am tired", "that girl is hot", "don't be a pervert", "go eat shit". Really, even if the thread was in english, I wouldn't participate in it.

Are you wanting any non-english threads to be deleted? Or do you want those people currently posting in that thread to post in english instead?

[Q_ball]

I like Qball's Methods of expressing my issue to a T, by now excluding me from the discussion based on language barriers. Good work Qball.
I said:
"go smack your head against the wall, you cant fcukn read english".
I asked you very nicely there, to stop ruining the chat thread and to make one here!!

[EK9]

i'm a mod, asian background, aussie born and raised... and i don't get 1 word they're saying in there and i honestly don't care cos that thread topic/subject doesn't interest nor concern me hence i will not participate. they seem like they're chit chatting, and i find nothing offensive or racist about it based on it being in another language.

the only reason i would close that thread is cos the majority of ppl and myself don't understand it and hence it's basically spam... but i wont.... can't c y i would...

don't look at it in a language/background kinda barrier... if a few super geeks started talking about quantum physics and you had no idea wot they were goin on about and couldn't participate, would that be the same?

this is just my opinion, not only as a mod but as a member too ;)

[SiReal]

agreed EK9

[dc2dc2dc2]

so mr. vinh are u giving me a green light to start a "viet talk" thread ? :D

[EK9]

no comment

[Mikeyas]

"if anything mikeyas you are discriminating against them. let them be, if you don't like the thread then don't post here.

if you wish to bitch in this thread feel free to do so in cantonese, otherwise use the site discussion area (or u can take it up with me if u like?)
if you or others continue to bitch in english your posts will be deleted

thank you"

From panda... and I wish to discuss.

Now can you place your reasoning to why the thread should not be deleted.
And we can discuss.

[EK9]

lol nah seriously, i wouldn't say i'd give ya the green light... but if a thread did start, and i understood it and became utter bs or started becoming abusive or defamatory in any way (as language threads do get some times as ppl only know how to swear!) i'd close it.

but yeah, at the end of the day that's the lounge, a place to talk about wotever. there are rules, but flexible ones of course... and i personally can't c a problem with that thread. but if the majority do, then that's a different story, as i'm only 1 voice in many thousands.

[Q_ball]

imo, NOT allowing for a language thread is discrimination!
the lounge is a place for completely off topic genres, hence pretty much no boundaries.
there is nothin sinister in the thread at all, and for u to think that its racist is jst blowing things outta proportion.

[Mikeyas]

i'm a mod, asian background, aussie born and raised... and i don't get 1 word they're saying in there and i honestly don't care cos that thread topic/subject doesn't interest nor concern me hence i will not participate. they seem like they're chit chatting, and i find nothing offensive or racist about it based on it being in another language.

the only reason i would close that thread is cos the majority of ppl and myself don't understand it and hence it's basically spam... but i wont.... can't c y i would...

don't look at it in a language/background kinda barrier... if a few super geeks started talking about quantum physics and you had no idea wot they were goin on about and couldn't participate, would that be the same?

this is just my opinion, not only as a mod but as a member too ;)

Listen this is not the point... I dont care what they are saying but becuase they choose to eliminate certian people from contributing due to language barriers.

And i am only continuing this for the obvious blatent biased following of such an okay form of racism.

[Mikeyas]

ok can i then start my own racist thread and not have to answer for it ?

Will a English only thread ( No one having other then English language by allowed) be ok for you ? Put bluntly is the point you are conveying

[Q_ball]

"if anything mikeyas you are discriminating against them. let them be, if you don't like the thread then don't post here.

if you wish to bitch in this thread feel free to do so in cantonese, otherwise use the site discussion area (or u can take it up with me if u like?)
if you or others continue to bitch in english your posts will be deleted

thank you"

From panda... and I wish to discuss.

Now can you place your reasoning to why the thread should not be deleted.
And we can discuss.
It should NOT be deleted for reasons you have already stated.
Aust is a multi-cultural society, and by not allowing a Cantonese chat thread is discrimination.
So long as the thread is NOT offensive in its content, i think it is warranted in its place, the lounge...a place for ppl of ALL races and languages to chat about watever they want.

[panda[cRx]]

i'm a mod, asian background, aussie born and raised... and i don't get 1 word they're saying in there and i honestly don't care cos that thread topic/subject doesn't interest nor concern me hence i will not participate. they seem like they're chit chatting, and i find nothing offensive or racist about it based on it being in another language.

the only reason i would close that thread is cos the majority of ppl and myself don't understand it and hence it's basically spam... but i wont.... can't c y i would...

don't look at it in a language/background kinda barrier... if a few super geeks started talking about quantum physics and you had no idea wot they were goin on about and couldn't participate, would that be the same?

this is just my opinion, not only as a mod but as a member too ;)
agreed.

next we'll have people complaining they are not allowed to post pics of EK's in the EG civic threads:rolleyes:

as for my reasoning as for why it should not be deleted... there is no reason to delete it, it does not break the terms and conditions in any manner, it is not a repost or anything, it's in another language... so what?
they are not posting anything offensive and as aaron said i doubt u would really want to post in it anyway :confused:

[SiReal]

Mikeyas, you really need ot meet some asian ppl and have some asian friends then you'd understand that over half of the population in teh world speaks more than english, has skin other than white, and has different cultures based on different background. I like to eat food other than hamburgers and chips like chickenfeet, i like to drink iced milk tea over coke. You're point isn't as simple as black and white dude, nor are my analogies. What you've done is put that fob thread into such analogy.

To be honest dude, as a mate, you are digging yourself a hole which you wont be able to get out of.

[Mikeyas]

lol nah seriously, i wouldn't say i'd give ya the green light... but if a thread did start, and i understood it and became utter bs or started becoming abusive or defamatory in any way (as language threads do get some times as ppl only know how to swear!) i'd close it.

but yeah, at the end of the day that's the lounge, a place to talk about wotever. there are rules, but flexible ones of course... and i personally can't c a problem with that thread. but if the majority do, then that's a different story, as i'm only 1 voice in many thousands.

If the majority are racist then does that mean as a person in power you will do nothing? AS is the case here... In the end its only the internet. But It is the start of immoral behaviour and is wrong in everything we have taught to be australian. To except everyone for their differances(iknow you will try use that ) BUT ALSO NOT TO EXCLUDE ANYONE FOR THEIR DIFFERANCES.

YOU ARE EXCLUDING ALOT OF PEOPLE. OF NON CANTONESE PEOPLE>

[|N|]

ok can i then start my own racist thread and not have to answer for it ?

Will a English only thread ( No one having other then English language by allowed) be ok for you ? Put bluntly is the point you are conveying

:eek:
.

[Q_ball]

Listen this is not the point... I dont care what they are saying but becuase they choose to eliminate certian people from contributing due to language barriers.

And i am only continuing this for the obvious blatent biased following of such an okay form of racism.
Wat ur saying is similar to having different language programs on SBS.
Are u sayin that SBS is discriminating and a racist tv channel cause ur the one that cannot understand??
Listen to wat ur sayin!!
Its a chat thread based in another language!!
Similar to a program on tv in another language, if u dont understand it, dont watch it!!

[panda[cRx]]

Listen this is not the point... I dont care what they are saying but becuase they choose to eliminate certian people from contributing due to language barriers.

nobody is stopping you from learning chinese :)

[SiReal]

or japanese (cos panda probably thinks i'm try hard)

[Mikeyas]

Mikeyas, you really need ot meet some asian ppl and have some asian friends then you'd understand that over half of the population in teh world speaks more than english, has skin other than white, and has different cultures based on different background. I like to eat food other than hamburgers and chips like chickenfeet, i like to drink iced milk tea over coke. You're point isn't as simple as black and white dude, nor are my analogies. What you've done is put that fob thread into such analogy.

To be honest dude, as a mate, you are digging yourself a hole which you wont be able to get out of.

I have many asian friends who do think in such a way and not once have i refered to this as asian verse non asian. i am relating to language barriers for all i know you guys are white and lived in china for some time. i dont knwo or care. but using language as a discrimination point is wrong and me talking up is pointless as everyone in power..

EK( Panda agree with the loudest... ANd can some how see no merit in my argument...

[Mikeyas]

']nobody is stopping you from learning chinese :)

See my point, Biased and off point your responses.

But they are stopping me from participating because of a CURRENT language barrier.. but thats ok .

"That disabled person cant get down the stairs, he should learn how to crawl down... "

[SiReal]

mikeyas, you have merit in your argument. I, with many others can partially agree with you.

But putting aside ALL arguments and abuse thrown, just with a clear head, step back and think about what has happened. No biase, no prejudice. Ppl who haven't read the fob thread may and WILL see your remarks as racist. because you don't accept the fact that we want to use another language. And you want action/DEFINATE action, that the thread be spoken in english or be closed. Can you see where we are coming from in being defensive?

;)

[Q_ball]

Why do u feel secluded from the cantonese chat thread??
The only reason....YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT!!

And your disabled person eg is shit...

A disabled person would not try and fcukin win a marathon!!
You dont see disabled ppl complainin about how its discrimination to them if theres sporting events takin place that require runnin do ya!!!

[DreadAngel]

Mikeyas bro, if I understand what your saying man is true... That means that I have to do my "Cantonese" thing elsewhere, not in front of you, not near anyone else. Is that what your saying? Cause if that is man, that's racist!

I'm not allowed to speak my own dialect, type my own language, I must conform to English, have to Speak English, making my own culture almost like black magic, a bad thing... Thats Assimulation man!

[aaronng]

Mikeyas views:

OMFG - THERES A TELEVISION PROGRAM ON SBS IN CANTONESE, FCUK RACIST...RACIST!!
Q, that's not nice at all. Recommend you not post comments like this.

[EK9]

Listen this is not the point... I dont care what they are saying but becuase they choose to eliminate certian people from contributing due to language barriers.

And i am only continuing this for the obvious blatent biased following of such an okay form of racism.
from my perspective here, that "thread" subject was "cantonese talk". ok maybe i c y you're persuing this because the thread title specifically states "NO ENGLISH ALLOWED". however i cannot c this as discriminating nor racist in anyway.

like panda said, if it was an ek thread specifically stating "*** off eg pics" then it's exactly the same. only difference here is your emphasising the racial barrier. if you really wanna put it that way, yes... it is to the tiniest degree discriminating because alot of ppl cant understand. however this opens another door bringing in different minorities... because now we're stepping on languages, sexes, age, etc etc

life especially in modern times focuses on this too seriously, and honestly ppl should just chill, sit back and c that there's nothing sinister goin on here.

i'm really trying to be very open minded here... as alot of ppl know that's the way i am. but i still can't c a real problem here. maybe cos we live in australia, big multicultural country and i'm asian and speak english so i can fully understand y these guys started such a thread.

remember, ozhonda is discriminating against every other car manufacturer :p

[SiReal]

i think we should all calm our nerves and not swear and use too many excalmation marks :) lets try to diplomatic and sensible.

[aaronng]

"That disabled person cant get down the stairs, he should learn how to crawl down... "
With the same reasoning "This buidling doesn't have disabled access. It should be demolished since the owners do not want to have disabled access facilities to be installed."

Did you join Ozhonda because of the Honda content? Or because of spam?

[Q_ball]

I think you have no ground for arguements at all Mikeyas!!
What your asking for equates down to the following:

Mikeyas = NAZI (incase u dont know history, the germans wanted everyone to be uniformed, eg blonde hair blue eyez)!!!
Everyone must use and type in english to prevent him from PMSn!!

[panda[cRx]]

See my point, Biased and off point your responses.

But they are stopping me from participating because of a CURRENT language barrier.. but thats ok .

"That disabled person cant get down the stairs, he should learn how to crawl down... "

you did not even TRY to participate in the discussion.
instead of taking the negative route of bitching that you are not included in the discussion you could have positively tried to participate in the conversation in cantonese.
nobody is gonna have a go at you for making an attempt at speaking another language.

[dc2dc2dc2]

Mikeyas = NAZI (incase u dont know history, the germans wanted everyone to be uniformed, eg blonde hair blue eyez)!!!
Everyone must use and type in english to prevent him from PMSn!!

keep personal attacks to PM Q u know better. :p

[Username]

the problem is that literraly half the thread is insults and the thread is not being moderated at all..

[dc2dc2dc2]

the problem is that literraly half the thread is insults and the thread is not being moderated at all..

gonna have to adopt a canto moderator for lounge and also a viet. ;)
VOTE QBALL #1

[Q_ball]

the problem is that literraly half the thread is insults and the thread is not being moderated at all..
prove this statement of urs mate!!
PROVE IT!!
get someone to translate for u, and see if you can pick out any insults to un-relating members!!
the insults that are in there are jks between the 2 or more chatting members - which happens in english, in the spam thread all the time!

game set match, QBALL > username!

[aaronng]

They are actually insulting each other in that thread. And anyone who comes in and posts "Ching Chong Cha".

"She has a hot body? You pervert!" - I don't think I want to read the thread even if I knew cantonese... I"ll just continue to watch SBS.

[|N|]

gonna have to adopt a canto moderator for lounge and also a viet. ;)
VOTE QBALL #1

1. qball barely speak canto...
2. he cant read chinese i can ..

[Username]

they insult me,

and why you delete my indonesian/malay thread and my chinese in chinese writing threads?

[dc2dc2dc2]

this is queer.....why did they put the viet + canto together....thats gayness.......i wanted to have a convo with my fellow viet peers. now its just gonna get too confusing....thats like making italian and german people try to talk to eachother.....*thumbz down*

[Mikeyas]

NOT ONCE WAS I PERSONALLY ATTACKING ANYONE. Q then has taken it upon himself to stand up for what he thinks by insulting me.


Mikeyas bro, if I understand what your saying man is true... That means that I have to do my "Cantonese" thing elsewhere, not in front of you, not near anyone else. Is that what your saying? Cause if that is man, that's racist!

I'm not allowed to speak my own dialect, type my own language, I must conform to English, have to Speak English, making my own culture almost like black magic, a bad thing... Thats Assimulation man!

"That means that I have to do my "Cantonese" thing elsewhere, not in front of you, not near anyone else. Is that what your saying? Cause if that is man, that's racist!"

See this is how people have not read my posts in detail. YOUR THREAD IS FINE BUT!!! as EK9 POINTED OUT it states (No English allowed) Talk cantonese all you want in there im glad you didnt jsut talk it everywhere further expelling people form the conversations but!!! you do specifically state no english.

I DONT NOT WANT YOU TO SPEAK IT, Im glad we have such cultural diversity in this country , it makes this country so great. BUT you all have this hate in your system maybe form being racially hurt before, but two wrongs dont make a right.

I AM JUST SAYING THAT EXCLUDING BASED ON LANGUAGE IN A GENERAL ENGLISH SPEAKING FORUM AND MORE ON POINT SAYING YOU CANNOT SPEAK ENGLISH is the wrong i am discussing, back on point guys and personal attacks are petty.

P.S. i probably have alot of spelling mistakes and gramitcal error included in these posts but this is due to my speed at getting my point across before it is envolped by off point attacks on myself for standing up for the rules in such a forum.. If i dont post then i get everrun by immediate posts stating incorrect inforamtion and posing me as a bad guy instead of disucssing liek i was told to do in this forum.. ITs a me vs the rest in here as no one is sitting down to read a post properly.

[DreadAngel]

Erm... insults maybe, but notice how people talk outside in Canto? Literally 2/3 of my friends talk Canto and maybe 1/5 sentence end in an 'insult'. Same with some of my Mando friends, Teochew Friends, Hokkien Friends, Hokka friends. People that come here mix the chinese with english when they speak. And English I don't have to say, these days its getting worse... Profanities thrown around like loose change!

Half the thread ain't insults and the insults I see there aren't harmful or anything, its more humour and people like me relaxing and playing around.

Mikeyas: Sorry I misread you point. Okay, if thats your point then how would you make it work? I mean, if I made a thread that I wanted to be Cantonese 'orientated' but not mention anything about English being excluded... I'll have a mix pot of Cantonese and English making it a very weird and disorientated thread. Q put that "ENGLISH EXCLUDED" or whatever he put there isn't a indirect or direct "racist" comment up (Or at least I hope so otherwise he's gonna be in **** from the others) but its to control the thread from becoming a mixed bag... Does this make sense?

[Username]

"sik si la username!"

Go eat shit username,

"Pok gai la Username...
Say baht poh!!!
Sow deh lar!!!"

f**k Username.
Go die bitch!
Shut up!

"sek see la username
diu!"

Go eat shit username, f**k!

[Q_ball]

By posting english, in a Cantonese Chat thread, is going off topic!
Simple.

[Q_ball]

"sik si la username!"

Go eat shit username,

"Pok gai la Username...
Say baht poh!!!
Sow deh lar!!!"

**** Username.
Go die bitch!
Shut up!

"sek see la username
diu!"

Go eat shit username, ****!
That bolded part actually means:
fcukin username....
bloody noisy bitch
shut up!

[SiReal]

mikeyas - i read all your posts dont get me wrong. i even wrote you a nice pm :)

[Q_ball]

And, mite i add, that those comments were made, cause u came and intervined and flamed a chat thread.
So in other words, u provoked it by stirring shit up and sayin it was stupid etc etc.

[dc2dc2dc2]

on a serious note. i hope panda reads this.


seirusly....why is there 1 thread.....its just making it so confusing....i for one was serious about my viet thread just to talk bs viet for a bit of fun when im bored. now that its with the canto thread....its lost its viet flavour ! no more pho style

thanks. please reply ...

[Q_ball]

i feel that having individual chat threads based in a diff language is fine.

its only wen ppl start their own thread in a diff language jst to be a smart ass about the issue thats at light, does it become an issue!

[DreadAngel]

Lol @ Username, you took the literal translation which isn't right... You should know being I think Mando that the literal meaning is never what is intended. Don't google the phase and look it up cause thats the direct translation which isn't right. When these words are said in Cantonese these days, its like the english equivalent of it... I'll translate for you my meaning of the words I said...

Pok gai la Username -> Damn it Username
Say baht poh!!! -> Shut up Bitch
Sow deh lar!!!" -> Shut up

Thats the meaning that all of the Cantonese people will pick up. And if I were to do it in the proper Traditional or Simplified Chinese Language, you'll get what I mean too man

[panda[cRx]]

dc2dc3dc4:

coz you all wanted to be smartasses and have seperate threads for every language under the sun.

we don't want the lounge filled with these threads but seeing as u all wanted to be smartasses and talk shit you can do it together :)

it is the only 'logical' way as if i closed/deleted one of them it would be discrimination.
if i left them all open and let everyone start a thread for any language they can think of, the lounge would be bogged down with even more rubbish

[dc2dc2dc2]

i feel that having individual chat threads based in a diff language is fine.

its only wen ppl start their own thread in a diff language jst to be a smart ass about the issue thats at light, does it become an issue!

are u trying to imply that im a smartass qball ? :eek:

[Q_ball]

^ not at all tai :p not at all hehe

[skinnyboy]

Seriously fellas, i would nip this in the bud right now, if you want this to advance as an "all australian" technical know-how based site, I would ban these language threads. It might be unfair to those posting and I couldn't give a toss whats writen in there, but seriously if theyre going to chat about crap, isn't that what MSN was invented for?

As its mostly the same people i see doing the same thing that brought Ozhonda to a climax a few months ago, this site is quickly becoming irrelavant again, which is a shame.

[Duesta]

NOT ONCE WAS I PERSONALLY ATTACKING ANYONE. Q then has taken it upon himself to stand up for what he thinks by insulting me.



"That means that I have to do my "Cantonese" thing elsewhere, not in front of you, not near anyone else. Is that what your saying? Cause if that is man, that's racist!"

See this is how people have not read my posts in detail. YOUR THREAD IS FINE BUT!!! as EK9 POINTED OUT it states (No English allowed) Talk cantonese all you want in there im glad you didnt jsut talk it everywhere further expelling people form the conversations but!!! you do specifically state no english.

I DONT NOT WANT YOU TO SPEAK IT, Im glad we have such cultural diversity in this country , it makes this country so great. BUT you all have this hate in your system maybe form being racially hurt before, but two wrongs dont make a right.

I AM JUST SAYING THAT EXCLUDING BASED ON LANGUAGE IN A GENERAL ENGLISH SPEAKING FORUM AND MORE ON POINT SAYING YOU CANNOT SPEAK ENGLISH is the wrong i am discussing, back on point guys and personal attacks are petty.

P.S. i probably have alot of spelling mistakes and gramitcal error included in these posts but this is due to my speed at getting my point across before it is envolped by off point attacks on myself for standing up for the rules in such a forum.. If i dont post then i get everrun by immediate posts stating incorrect inforamtion and posing me as a bad guy instead of disucssing liek i was told to do in this forum.. ITs a me vs the rest in here as no one is sitting down to read a post properly.
ok well since panda changed the thread slightly, you should be happy now, since your arguement in that response simply says that u had a problem with the fact that the post said "no english allowed".

now that that part of the post has been edited/removed, you have no more grounds for complaints. You said u were fine that they can post in canto or any other language, so i say just drop the topic now dude. However, as you probably already know, but dont start complaining if the mods or someone starts deleting your posts in that thread if u start to reply in english, because it's only cos u'll be going off topic in that thread, and its not being deleted cos they're being racist.

This forum was not created to spark or cause controversy, and you don't have to take everything to heart. i honestly dont understand why you made such a fuss about it in the first place, it reminded me of those uni students who protest about everything and anything.

Just chill and enjoy the forum for the purpose in which you joined it, to share knowledge about honda crap. The thread was created in the lounge, so if u dont like it, dont read it.

[Username]

']dc2dc3dc4:

coz you all wanted to be smartasses and have seperate threads for every language under the sun.

we don't want the lounge filled with these threads but seeing as u all wanted to be smartasses and talk shit you can do it together :)

it is the only 'logical' way as if i closed/deleted one of them it would be discrimination.
if i left them all open and let everyone start a thread for any language they can think of, the lounge would be bogged down with even more rubbish

thats rude, so just chuck all those non-whites somewehere ?

[dc2dc2dc2]

panda has got yellow fever. His trying to push us all into one area away from society so he can steal all the asian girls.

[SiReal]

Chill username. no one is out to get you dude :)

[Q_ball]

you guys are seriously blowing things up outta proportion!!
we're not trying to place anyone anywhere!!
it is one thread, dedicated to a chat style format, in cantonese!!
u have no grounds for bitching and moaning!!
understand this:
its similar to this exmaple...
ppl who are against that canto chat thread...are the same as ppl hating on say the EK pics thread for the reason that they cant post pics up of their cars cause they dont own an EK!!
see how stupid it is!!

[Username]

Well i got an EK dude, just dont like people posting "nude" and "offensive" pics in the EK thread.

[Mikeyas]

OK.. i have had some disscussions wiht some very mature individuals via PM. One enlightned me to the fact of how i would fix the problem. Well i think this method would be beneficial for everyone.

My initial point was not, not to speak cantonese but not to exclude others from it. If you still want a cantonese only thread the creators could provide the following....
-Perhaps A guide to the most common and simple cantonese words..
-Maybe some good links to translating websites

This method would help and teach other people and allow them to take an active part in learning the wonders of another language. This way you can take some pride in your culture and help spread the awareness of its art to others.

I personally think this suggestion would be the most proactiveapproach and it would keep all parties happy.

It would allow people who want only cantonese to have it that way and still talk random. But also allow other people to slowly generate an understanding of the language and break down barriers between seperate cultures.

I never ment to start such a war. I am totally against ANY FORM OF racism and discrimination and having a cumminty such as this filled with so many cultures, standing up for such things is the this a first step to making a better environment for everyone.

Please let each post from now on be positive and proactive to make sure we come to a beneficial outcome for everyone.

Kind Regards

Josh

[aaronng]

OK.. i have had some disscussions wiht some very mature individuals via PM. One enlightned me to the fact of how i would fix the problem. Well i think this method would be beneficial for everyone.

My initial point was not, not to speak cantonese but not to exclude others from it. If you still want a cantonese only thread the creators could provide the following....
-Perhaps A guide to the most common and simple cantonese words..
-Maybe some good links to translating websites

This method would help and teach other people and allow them to take an active part in learning the wonders of another language. This way you can take some pride in your culture and help spread the awareness of its art to others.

I like this idea! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I get to learn more too.

Q_ball, since the first post in that thread is yours, could you put in the most commonly used cantonese words and phrases please? :D

[Q_ball]

its hard to do so, cause canto is written in symbolic characters..
most ppl are typin in words that symbolise the sound that the character produces, and quite often, there are several variations of this!!

also, the thread is not jst canto now..
its eveyrthing thats not english pretty much.

[panda[cRx]]

thats rude, so just chuck all those non-whites somewehere ?

whites speak languages other than english too you bloody hero :wave:

i've had enough of this bs :thumbdwn:

[tRipitaka]

just close the thread panda.

[panda[cRx]]

thats rude, so just chuck all those non-whites somewehere ?

whites speak languages other than english too you bloody hero :wave:

i've had enough of this bs, the thread is being closed as it's turned to crap now that u lovely people started complaining :thumbdwn:
(that and q_ball the thread starter has requested it)

goodnight, if u have a problem with that pm me :thumbsup:

[JaCe]

IMO the thread is fine- but I think that whilst it says Cantonese only, I think if people choose to post in another language in there, so be it- they can't make a rule saying you MUST speak in Cantonese in a particular thread; but they can set the trend and try to only speak in Cantonese. The thread clearly exists purely as a way for them to speak in Cantonese and if any of them had anything important to say which they wanted to communicate with the wide audience of OH, they'd have posted it in English.


i'm a mod, asian background, aussie born and raised... and i don't get 1 word they're saying in there and i honestly don't care cos that thread topic/subject doesn't interest nor concern me hence i will not participate. they seem like they're chit chatting, and i find nothing offensive or racist about it based on it being in another language.


LOL I'm also like you- I'm ABC :) Learning Chinese off movies/music/friends though.

EDIT: We could just make it compulsory to post a translation below whatever is said in Cantonese because it's not such a simple matter of saying "Let's provide a list of common phrases" or links to translators (they don't tend to work when people are typing in englishised Canto).

[T-onedc2]

From my perspective, 26, aussie with German heritage, I thought the FOB thread was hilarious coz I know it's used for fun, and hey, if I could speak Cantonese I'd join in but I can't, and I can't be bothered learning so I won't participate in the thread.

Simple.

[bennjamin]

i hardly see the concern. BUT as it goes...in this day and age ~

DO NOT racially sterotype or play fun at. Even if its a joke at your own race. Its just not funny when people take offence to it ok guys n girls.

In future , i will (at my own discretion) edit out ANY racial slur as its simply too much effort. THIS is what censorship is about , you brought it on yourselves lol. DONT make a thread or re-hack the website and claim that Ozhonda mods are nazis ~ its simply editing for the general masses well being :)

[EGB16A]

can someone reopen the fob thread, but for those who are contributing to the thread, can you write the english translation afterwards?

i'd be kinda interested to learn, and everyone would be able to understand what the hell was going on..

or am i kidding myself?

[SiR JDM]

I found no problem with the thread to be honest? I tried understanding all the "valid" posts against why it shouldn't be allowed but after all that, i cant say i agree.

To me it was just like any other lounge thread. I keep out of an array of topics in the lounge for many reasons, mainly because i have no interest in the topic at hand, as was the case with the canto thread as i dont speak any canto (anything nice to say anyway). Im sure if anyone who didn't speak canto and dearly WANTED to be apart of that thread, they would have said so in the thread (no english allowed? whats qball gonna do? :p )... you could have asked questions, pmd users, asked your friends, found translation sites on the net, found "useful phrases sites" on the net...

I think some people took it too much to heart, it is after all only the lounge, and only 1 thread, out of almost 2800 lounge threads.
1/2800 = 3.5714285714285714285714285714286e-4 %

Altho having said that, as others have pointed out, it is mainly the notorious OH spammers, so since its all closed and everything, just take it to the spam thread where anything (almost ;) ) goes!

[Q_ball]

its hard to do so, cause canto is written in symbolic characters..
most ppl are typin in words that symbolise the sound that the character produces, and quite often, there are several variations of this!!

also, the thread is not jst canto now..
its eveyrthing thats not english pretty much.
that is the prob with having a list of "general terms".
theres too many variations of spelling out how a sound of a character is.

also, due to the state that the thread was in prior to it being closed is that it was a "foreign languages" thread.
wat are we spose to do, have a list of general terms for every single language in the world?

how can u justify and impose that the thread creator should make a "proactive" attempt and list these "general terms" for those wanting to learn?
if you're seriously interested in learning a language, then the member interested would make a proactive effort to use online translation tools to participate, eg. (sorry to pick you guys out, but you are good examples to my point) panda and bennjamin.
these ppl dont know cantonese however they still managed to participate in the thread without having a whinge that they were being discriminated against due to one simple reason, and that was they dont understand.

its funny, the ppl who are whinging, dont even use the forum as a means for "chatting".
the spam thread is jst another "chit chat thread" based in english - and not once have i seen the primary complainer post in there!
If the complainers did actively use OzHonda as both a means of information and a social tool, then id have no problems - but this is far from the case.

[EK9]

LOL I'm also like you- I'm ABC :) Learning Chinese off movies/music/friends though.
Haha, i'm ABV ;) But i speak fluent Viet... grew up wif "fobs" (no offense to anyone, i'm one at heart :p )

But yeah, i too have found a solution to this problem... if it's still a problem that is...

WE NEED SUBTITLES!!! SBS STYLE Y0! :thumbsup:

[Fr3aKi3]

Personally I don't really think it's that big of a deal. Fair enough, I do see the point which has been raised. However I just think it's been taken way out of proportion. There was a Viet thread which was created and even though I'm viet, when I saw that I thought "here we go again..." but i still posted in there just for the fun of it. Isn't that what the lounge is for? Irrelevant, pointless and humourous (sometimes) posts?

How strong is the policing of the discrimination going to be? Take for example a recent thread on "emo's", majority of the thread was insults on people's choice in lifestyle yet nobody kicked up a stink about that. In another thread regarding "gym junkies" is that not discriminant against those who aren't gym junkies as they aren't inclined to post in there because they don't go to the gym? I do realise the examples I've talked about are somewhat exaggerated but my point is where is it going to stop?

Fair point in that those who don't understand canto can't participate in the thread as they don't know what's being said. I looked through the thread and had no idea of what people were talking about so I just closed the window and didn't bother reading it again as it didnt concern me. Even if there was insults to me (which i doubt), I couldn't care less. I don't know anyone in there personally and it's the internet, so I don't really take anything to heart.

On a lighter note watch the video I posted in the lounge regarding discrimination:
Say "NO" to discrimination! (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45605)

That's intended to be for a laugh.

[LVNIT]

Some of you are getting upset because you cant understand the language? Its no different to other individuals speaking a language other then english out in public.

I dont even see how it broke any of the terms and conditions on the forum? IF you have a problem, leave or dont read the topic? I havnt even seen some of you post any useful information on this site before :confused:

If there is a substantial amount of users on this forum that can speak the language i dont see how having a thread where they can all talk about crap is a problem, it was in the lounge after all.

Once again there is more noobs on this site causing a problem because they dont like something happening on this forum.

[incoming]

Some of you are getting upset because you cant understand the language? Its no different to other individuals speaking a language other then english out in public.

I dont even see how it broke any of the terms and conditions on the forum? IF you have a problem, leave or dont read the topic? I havnt even seen some of you post any useful information on this site before :confused:

If there is a substantial amount of users on this forum that can speak the language i dont see how having a thread where they can all talk about crap is a problem, it was in the lounge after all.

Once again there is more noobs on this site causing a problem because they dont like something happening on this forum.

agreed!...

[.::F[L]Y::.]

theres are canto chat thread??? damn....

FFS this is a car forum....i wish it would just remain that way. too many weird crap being posted up imo

[ane85]

With the same reasoning "This buidling doesn't have disabled access. It should be demolished since the owners do not want to have disabled access facilities to be installed."

Did you join Ozhonda because of the Honda content? Or because of spam?

i agree with you aaron.

seriously there is no need to close or be so defensive in regards to that thread. If you don't understand then simply DNT POST or even READ it. Whoever wants to post jst participating for the fun of it. Its nothing racial about that. Some of the ppl who are not even chinese or does not understand what is posted actually posts in there and they dont seem to have any problem with that.

Whats the use of startin this whole issue and getting everyone all fired up for??? wheres the love???

Geeze just take it easy and CHILL!!

[ane85]

And, mite i add, that those comments were made, cause u came and intervined and flamed a chat thread.
So in other words, u provoked it by stirring shit up and sayin it was stupid etc etc.

*nods nods*
i agree..

[dc2dc2dc2]

i agree bring back the dumplings & pho threads.

[ane85]

its hard to do so, cause canto is written in symbolic characters..
most ppl are typin in words that symbolise the sound that the character produces, and quite often, there are several variations of this!!

also, the thread is not jst canto now..
its eveyrthing thats not english pretty much.


that is correct, the things that are posted in the thread is not even the correct way, its jst our own way of typing it out in eng the way it wud sound like, so there is no point in having a link for your to look the meaning of the word or phrase

[ane85]

can someone reopen the fob thread, but for those who are contributing to the thread, can you write the english translation afterwards?

i'd be kinda interested to learn, and everyone would be able to understand what the hell was going on..

or am i kidding myself?

wats the whole point of the thread if we were to have translation??

[dc2dc2dc2]

if u wanna learn a language go get a tutor or a book. It is not their job to teach you a language.

[ane85]

if u wanna learn a language go get a tutor or a book. It is not their job to teach you a language.

*nods nods*

[Q_ball]

See, i think its is VERY evident, that just from this discussion thread, that there are MORE in favour for the thread, than there are against.
There is NO argument by the complainer put forward that even warrants any cause of concern or change, as everything that he has put forward is opinionated.
If it was factual im sure more ppl would be against it and say that the thread which i created was racist/discriminating + all the above.

[jdm_kid]

its like whats the point of readin a book if u dont understand what language its in

p.s im quiting OH cos all these pointless remarks n ppl tryin to chop one another

[dc2dc2dc2]

or listening to music in another language that u dont' understand its pointless ....even though there is so so so many people who i know listen to kpop, jpop or hk music just because it "sounds good" which i believe is

LAME and i believe makes them a "dorkus-malorkussss" in the words of Bart Simpson.

[Q_ball]

What are the mod/admin's general consensus on this topic??

[bennjamin]

as i said in the last thread ~ dont sterotype and this wont happen. You gotta THINK before posting as you never know who its going to offend !

[SiReal]

It was fun for a bit but when all this controversy started, and it got shut down, i was like 'meh' .. sometimes you just have to let go, and let it pass.

[JaCe]

or listening to music in another language that u dont' understand its pointless ....even though there is so so so many people who i know listen to kpop, jpop or hk music just because it "sounds good" which i believe is

LAME and i believe makes them a "dorkus-malorkussss" in the words of Bart Simpson.

Sometimes it does sound good :P

I'm Chinese blooded, but my Chinese is really poor. Listening to Chinese music has helped improve my pronounciation ability (both when talking and when singing K), and also helps improve my reading ability because I can go to K, sing the song and read the words as they come up. If I can do it (I'm ABC), I'm pretty sure some non-Chinese people could also learn Chinese this way. Same applies for my very poor Japanese (I should've paid more attention in high school Japanese).

And, on another note, I sometimes listen to Jpop/Kpop either because it's from a movie/series I liked watching, or it's a cover of a song which I liked in a language which I could understand.

I don't think there's a simple black/white definition of whether it's lame or not for one to listen/embrace other cultures as well as their own- if anything, it shows that the person is willing to go outside their comfort zone and experience something new. Although I do have a tendency to dislike those people who listen to it purely because it's "cool" to listen to Japanese music/Korean music; sometimes there are advantages to listening to music you don't understand- it lets you appreciate the music and you don't get too focussed on listening or understanding/interpretting the lyrics; kindof like when you listen to instrumental music whilst studying.

[JaCe]

Y::.']theres are canto chat thread??? damn....

FFS this is a car forum....i wish it would just remain that way. too many weird crap being posted up imo

I think as long as English is enforced on all the boards with actual topicality (ie. not the Lounge) then that's acceptable.

[Q_ball]

Well, putting it really simply, theres only one person that i can count and about another 1/2 dozen that have voiced that they wouldnt mind learnin, which is fine.

With regards to learning, thread starter cant be responsible for everyones contribution and cant be responsible for them learning canto or n e other language.
If you wanna learn, u got find ur own means of doin so.

My question is:
Is it justifable to close and prevent threads of this nature in future, jst because of ONE person's opinion when majority are either for it or dont mind?

[SiR JDM]

as i said in the last thread ~ dont sterotype and this wont happen. You gotta THINK before posting as you never know who its going to offend !

I dont think we should all have to tip toe around making sure we dont offend someone. People are getting offended way too easily these days. Sure if its blantantly obvious that it will offend a fair few people, its simple logic.

In essence, it was the same as many many many threads posted on this site, not just in the lounge. No one has ever kicked up a fuss about anything before.
The complainer made no attempt to resolve his "offence" but complain here so it would get taken off. He did not try to contribute, or do anything of the sort, when he said his argument was that he wanted to contribute but cant speak the language (or something of the sort i got lost in all the bitching).

I personally dont HAVE or SEE any problem with the thread. It does not offend or discriminate anyone. Some people may view it as pointless, but not discriminatory.

It would be like walking up to people in public and asking them not to speak in their foreign language because you cant understand what theyre saying.
Or like me complaining (or deleting) threads marked [SYD]XXXX because im not from sydney i cant make it to the events, so i feel discriminated its being discussed.

My 2c on the issue.

Im open to people to contradict me/inform me properly. But the way i see things now, i just cant understand how it is offensive or discriminatory in anyway.

[Q_ball]

So is it possible to start another thread, for cantonese, without people posting in english and making a mess of the thread like last time?
I dun mind a bit of a eng/canto mix, but none of this "this thread is BS etc etc" nonsence.

[bennjamin]

So is it possible to start another thread, for cantonese, without people posting in english and making a mess of the thread like last time?
I dun mind a bit of a eng/canto mix, but none of this "this thread is BS etc etc" nonsence.

Its impossible. There are very limited rules to posting in this site so anyone can post any random chit-chat they want really.
BTW as i said you HAVE to think before posting up...We dont HAVE to be anal here and demand anything but every person here has the right to a say in anything here really. That is what brings us up to this Thread in the site discussion.

Most of us already have had our say - some of us think its not an issue while others certainly do (hence this thread) but in reality I cannot see and issue at all. All i can suggest ( yet again) is to always PM a moderator or have a think about your post BEFORE posting it. Someone might be offended and you never know the repocussions...

[faijai]

*knuckle punch*

[Da1nONLY]

It's just another thread created in the lounge...
If you see no interest in the thread, you can just simply ignore it..its as simple as that...I mean i personally don't read every single possible thread created in the lounge...

[Mr_will]

my question is...why does anyone really get that upset that they'd want the thread closed in the first place?
do you all whinge about every little thing that you see that you dont like? more than likely NO, you ignore it, and get on with doing something more productive.

imo, it is the keyboard warriors who stir shit about insignificant things like this that should be silenced, not those who exercise their right to speak their language, be it english/cantonese/german/ireallydontcarewhatelse.

the only point i see yet to be raised is, is this thread moderated by someone who speaks cantonese...and if so, then everyone else should can it and let the mods do their job!

[SiR JDM]

i agree with the last 2 posts for sure...

[SiReal]

maybe Qball should open another fob thread and see the reaction. those who want to have a say have done so, and can learn to ignore if they don't like it. sometimes you dont get everything your way, and sometimes ppl have to swallow their pride.

[zorrt]

ahaha bunch of spammers spamming in ching and stirring the pot ahahha

[Q_ball]

Thats wat i mean guys, like no one seems to be disagreeing with the points that have been put forward, which indicates that it should be fine to start another.
I know exactly where bennjamin is coming from tho.
Its not worth stirring shiet up by making another thread.
But say if in a few months time, some other person decides it'll be cool to make a thread like this, are we goin to close it or leave it open?
I think we should, or the voices from above should say yay or nay to this.
If its jst to please 1 person i say get bent!

[dc2dc2dc2]

political correctness gone wrong

as stated earlier :
BRING BACK PHO & DUMPLINGS THREADS !

[krogoth]

i looked at the "cantonese thread" and laughed, im from an arabic speaking background and the only words of canto i know are: "Jinuu? Do sao chen?", and im not even sure if its cantonese, all i know is my chinese mate told me to say it to some chinese chik he knew

so i posted the only canto i knew, the thread stated, no english allowed, so i adhered by the rules and spoke in wat i know as canto, lol, otherwise i ignored the thread

i didnt feel any1 was being "racist" towards me coz i didnt know any canto, as some1 stated b4, it was 1 thread in THE LOUNGE, off topic general discussion, being in the lounge, i dismissed it for spam in another language and looked for other threads to read, if there was a canto only thread in the noob or civic area, then that would be a problem as i may be missing out on some important info coz i didnt know any canto

besides, cmon, its one silly thread in the lounge, ffs, some ppl are stirring up a shit storm over a couple of bored OH members who want to spam their assez off in a whole new way, i rekon keep the canto thread, its not racist to any1, its all fun and gamez ppl, chill

[bennjamin]

Ok then. Lets be obvious and mature about this....feel free to make future threads that are aimed at ONE language - but not ONE race (sterotype) :)

As according to the terms and conditions ~


Members who submit posts are solely responsible for their own posts, and agree not to include any content that:
.....................

(b) is unlawful, defamatory, libellous, threatening, abusive, offensive, obscene, vulgar, pornographic, dangerous, knowingly false, harassing, sexually oriented, racist, or invasive of an individual's privacy;

So , take this a serious warning :) In future feel free to post up any silly threads in the lounge but THINK about certain topics and titles BEFORE posting.

Closing. Anyone wants more pm myself or another mod :)