ARC Super Induction Box (Gains???)

[macoman69]

I have searched on this and many other forums to see what sort of gains can be achieved with the ARC Super Induction Box + Super Induction Pipe for a DC2R but havent been able to find anything solid. (conflicting arguments)

Some people say its one of the best intakes you can get while others say it severely suffers from heat soak. Can sombody please give me a straight answer on this.

Im just trying to find out what sort of gains i could get out of the ARC Super Induction Box + Super Induction Pipe on the DC2R.

Some Dyno Graphs would be good also if anybody has them.

[Mr_will]

I have searched on this and many other forums to see what sort of gains can be achieved with the ARC Super Induction Box + Super Induction Pipe for a DC2R but havent been able to find anything solid. (conflicting arguments)

Some people say its one of the best intakes you can get while others say it severely suffers from heat soak. Can sombody please give me a straight answer on this.

Im just trying to find out what sort of gains i could get out of the ARC Super Induction Box + Super Induction Pipe on the DC2R.

Some Dyno Graphs would be good also if anybody has them.


heat soak schmeak schmoke. i think a lot of people may confuse the fact that a cai provides less restriction (due to it being in the path of incoming air from the hole in the bumper) with gains from the air being COLDER. with the amount of air moving through the engine bay at any decent speed, the chance of you getting 'hot' air in, is pretty unlikely.

dont misinterpret though, if youre running an intercooler to avoid detonation thats a different objective, but i really dont think that 'heat soak' is a big issue. my bum dyno agrees with me.

[quangsta]

heat soak schmeak schmoke. i think a lot of people may confuse the fact that a cai provides less restriction (due to it being in the path of incoming air from the hole in the bumper) with gains from the air being COLDER. with the amount of air moving through the engine bay at any decent speed, the chance of you getting 'hot' air in, is pretty unlikely.

dont misinterpret though, if youre running an intercooler to avoid detonation thats a different objective, but i really dont think that 'heat soak' is a big issue. my bum dyno agrees with me.


im gonna disagree based on my logics so take it which ever way u like.....

for a dc2r, air into the engine bay is pretty hard to come by...when u think about it the front grolls (centre bottom) is pretty much the only area which allows direct air into the engine bay, though it is blocked by firstly and mainly by the radiator it is also by headlights and other things around it that restrict the air flow from the outside to the engine bay where the induction sits. Therefore when an SRI type intake sucks air it is sucking the hot air generated directly by the engine and minute amounts of cool air from the outside....

CAI on the other hand sucks are from underneath in most cases just infront of the wheel arch....this means its pretty much sucking air directly from the outside (cooler air) .

fact 1) colder the air the better ur car will perform
fact 2) the more cold air particles you get into the engine the more power you get

in summary

:thumbdwn: SRI (sucking air from the engine bay) - less amount of air particles there, temperature of those air particles are high

:thumbsup: CAI (sucking air from the bottom) - more amount of air due to less restriction, lower air temp.

btw with ur ARC setup i believe it is very similiar to the mugen and comptech air intake system except the major difference is that the filter is left open in the engine bay. then again there are 2 sides, 1 side sucking cool air from the underneath and 1 sucking air from engine bay so could be the best of both world...

sorry if i didnt really answer ur question

[Jomsy]

if your spending that sort of money on an intake for your dc2r, save a bit more and get a mugen setup, its tried and proven by many people here, unless your getting it cheap

[slipn]

how much are the mugen ones?..

[quangsta]

1000 or there abouts....

[nipnip]

i remember a comment made from TODA AU where he stated that the ARC box was a bitch to tune when his worked with it. and generally, the only intakes i've heard to have any real credibility is the injen and mugen. mugen has alot of r&d behind it, so im sure the diameter of the piping and length of the tubing all contribute to the intake velocity...

[Mikeyas]

fact 1) colder the air the better ur car will perform
fact 2) the more cold air particles you get into the engine the more power

Lets get these facts going...
In order to make power and engine mixes fuel and air.
The greater the amount of air in the mix, the bigger the bang.

Air like water is effected in states. Gas/ liquid / solid.
*As the air gets hotter it tends more towards the gas State meaning the particles are getting further and further apart.

*When the air gets colder it tends mroe towards the liquid stage causing the particles to come closer together trying to form bonds.

So the cold air has more particles per square cm then hot air. Thus when induction takes up cold air it is getting more air particles per square cm allowing in a better air/fuel ratio.

External air = not tainted by heat = bigger bang = more power
Internal air = tainted by heat = smaller bang = less power

[spoondc2]

So it's between Injen and mugen
I've tried mugen box before and i have q's about the Injen CAI. Will i lose throttle response after installing the injen? Since the mugen doesn't and the differences are amazing compare with stock

[Mr_Dc2aRgh]

I got a lil question for myself.. How much kw's will you gain with mugen cold air intake?

[PaZzMaN-R]

iv heard its shit. just go for mugen. only the best for our vtec machines. dont spend that kind of money on something thats iffy spend a little more and it will deffinatly be worth it.

[Mst_Mugen]

Lets get these facts going...
In order to make power and engine mixes fuel and air.
The greater the amount of air in the mix, the bigger the bang.

Air like water is effected in states. Gas/ liquid / solid.
*As the air gets hotter it tends more towards the gas State meaning the particles are getting further and further apart.

*When the air gets colder it tends mroe towards the liquid stage causing the particles to come closer together trying to form bonds.

So the cold air has more particles per square cm then hot air. Thus when induction takes up cold air it is getting more air particles per square cm allowing in a better air/fuel ratio.

External air = not tainted by heat = bigger bang = more power
Internal air = tainted by heat = smaller bang = less power
agree!! the colder the air, the more dense, hence the greater air/fuel ratio which will generate a bigger combustion... go gruppeM!!! its the fashezzy!!! but the most expensive!!

[nipnip]

gruppe m for dc2r is just a pod with a carbon fibre heatshield...

[juzza]

Hey Lads,
I've picked myself up an ARC power chamber and am looking into fusing it with a Fujita CAI that I have.
The Fujita is awesome, don't get me wrong, but its a little flat below 3,000. So this is what Im thinking...
From what Ive read, the best part of the ARC CAI is the Power chamber because of its diameter coupled with an in built velocity bell right infront of the TB. Pairing this with a a PROPER cai setup (colder air from under the front bumper!) I think is gonna see some seriously linear gains.
Haven't been able to do it yet as the two parts don't fit with the stock silicon; they're at different angles. BUT as soon as I do, and get the JDM 4-1s, cat, and exhaust bolted up, Im off to see Adrian at TODA to tune her up with the old VAFCII and hopefully get some dyno readings outs as well!