5th Oil. what oil do u use? [Archive]

skinnyboy

25-06-2006, 03:26 PM

choose an oil from the list:

Engine Oil
Transmission Oil (AT/MT)
Power Steering Oil
Compressor Oil

Im presuming you mean Engine Oil, in that case Mobil 1, 10w30 or Honda FEO 10w30 is the preferred choice.

dundas

20-07-2006, 05:24 PM

Hmmz.. if s2k, NSX and type R's are using Honda FEO... then that is what i am happy with./

Mrkrooz

21-07-2006, 12:41 PM

Is castrol Magnatec any good...??

aaronng

21-07-2006, 12:49 PM

Magnatec is ok. The 10w-40 stuff doesn't last long because it is a mineral oil, I'd say about 5000km before it breaks down.

Interestingly, Honda FEO sold by Honda Australia is made by Caltex and is a mineral oil as well.

Edit: Caltex, not Castrol, doh'

Brash22

21-07-2006, 01:02 PM

aaronng

21-07-2006, 01:05 PM

Actually, the Honda FEO is made by CALTEX, not Castrol, and is made to a standard set by Honda Aust.

As for Magnatec, it only sticks to ferrous metals, ie steel. Your Prelude has an alloy block, alloy head, alloy valve train, alloy rods, etc. The only thing that is steel is the crank. And what's gonna crap out first, the alloy or the steel?
Whoops, I mixed them up. :)

I doubt Caltex made the oil specifically to Honda standards. It's more of the opposite, Honda selected one of Caltex' oils that exceeded their minimum requirements.

Brash22

21-07-2006, 01:06 PM

Oh well, it happens mate.

TVN

21-07-2006, 02:07 PM

i thought the magnetic oil was a gimmic how it stick to metal.

aaronng

21-07-2006, 02:14 PM

It's not magnetic. LOL. It just has polar additives that tend to stick to polar surfaces. If you look at oils like Motul 300V which is based on esters, they are also polar and stick to polar surfaces. Synthetics like Mobil 1 and Castrol Edge 0w-40 on the other hand are PAO based and those are non or less-polar. Therefore they tend to not leave a nice thick film on the metal surfaces.

bored

21-07-2006, 05:39 PM

honda oil

MRH-22A

11-01-2007, 01:30 PM

how many litres of oil does the h22a take?

aaronng

11-01-2007, 02:12 PM

It's written in your manual.

Mrkrooz

11-01-2007, 09:43 PM

stick with honda u cant go wrong.....

jayjaydo

11-01-2007, 10:25 PM

bit more then 5L mate (the manual says something like 4.8 with oil fitler change) but the reality after checking it is you'll need another 200ml on top of the regular 5L botte

MRH-22A

19-01-2007, 04:04 PM

It's written in your manual.

i dont have a prelude so i dont have the manual.

bit more then 5L mate (the manual says something like 4.8 with oil fitler change) but the reality after checking it is you'll need another 200ml on top of the regular 5L botte.

thanks dude. i didnt realise the h22 takes that much oil.

dundas

19-01-2007, 09:13 PM

i didnt use that much oil i do not think...i thought that when the service was done to my car there was around 4.8-4.9 in the engine no more.
but after requiring to top it up as the h22a likes to burn a little oil.. it may go up to 5ltr or a little more.

preludacris

20-01-2007, 05:14 AM

would it make a diff to engine oil preference if u have higher k's ? say over 200 ?

Brash22

21-01-2007, 04:04 PM

Yes. Higher ks (200k+) would need a slightly thicker oil than one with half that.

aaronng

21-01-2007, 04:17 PM

Is the standard oil 10w-40 for the H? I remember the F of the same era used 10w-40 instead of the modern 10w-30. If it was 10w-40, then you could go for 10w-50 or 5w-50.

We've used even 15w-50 in a F22a (the coldest EVER temperature where the car is being used at is 25 C) and the engine has done cover 275,000km. The engine is GREAT! The transmission on the other hand............ (it is already on its 2nd auto gearbox)

vtek

21-01-2007, 05:00 PM

feo oil is 10w30sj but if its 200k+ use 20w50 my dealership uses Fuchs oil.

preludacris

22-01-2007, 02:55 PM

is fuchs a good brand ?

so u rekn 200+k car should use 10w40 or 10w50 then? will this lose noticable amount of kw at all ?

vtek

22-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Feo oil is more for performance but with older engines the oil is fairly thin so you will notice when you fill the oil that it will just come out of the exhaust.

MRH-22A

22-01-2007, 05:46 PM

would mixing different brands of oil hurt the engine

eg... i need to top up and want to add litre of oil. engine currently has feo 10w30.

will topping up with different oil stuff up the engine?

aaronng

22-01-2007, 07:04 PM

would mixing different brands of oil hurt the engine

eg... i need to top up and want to add litre of oil. engine currently has feo 10w30.

will topping up with different oil stuff up the engine?

Mixing oils would cause less damage than being low by 1 litre of engine oil. So just do it. You can mix mineral with minerals and semi synthetic. When it comes to full synthetic, it is more sensitive, but in small proportions, it's fine.

MRH-22A

23-01-2007, 11:32 AM

is honda feo mineral, semi synthetic, or full synthetic?

and wat about mixing different viscosity? does it matter?

vtek

23-01-2007, 01:20 PM

Honda oils are all mineral, wouldnt recomend changing from your normal mineral oils to fully synthetic. Esp. with the H22a motors.

aaronng

23-01-2007, 01:45 PM

Honda oils are all mineral, wouldnt recomend changing from your normal mineral oils to fully synthetic. Esp. with the H22a motors.

It's alright to change from mineral to full synthetic, AS LONG as the viscosity is the same. If the viscosity is thinner (like it is for most synthetics), then there could be problems. If you're already using FEO 10w-30, then you can change to a synthetic 10w-30 or 10w-40.

vtek

23-01-2007, 03:01 PM

Alright if you say so, but I would never use fully synthetic on my H22a. Everyone else can.

MRH-22A

23-01-2007, 07:06 PM

Alright if you say so, but I would never use fully synthetic on my H22a. Everyone else can.

wats the reason?

i had the mobile 1 before... i fink its fully synthetic. didnt seem to have any problems.

preludacris

24-01-2007, 02:44 AM

that may make sense

because my mechanic says mobil 1 is no good for my car. he said the old formulation like around a year ago is fine, but then they changed some properties of it or something. i don't know too many details, but yeah he says its no good for our cars, and he's had some bad experiences with it.

the reason vtek brought up could be part of the problem my mech was talkn about? dunnoz. so yeah im a bit hesitant to use it, even tho its a popular oil..

vtek

24-01-2007, 09:13 AM

yeah you will have problems later on with oil consumption.

wats the reason?

i had the mobile 1 before... i fink its fully synthetic. didnt seem to have any problems.

aaronng

24-01-2007, 11:03 AM

I don't quite like Mobil1 as well.... Even with gold Mobil1 10w-30, which has the same viscosity as FEO, the valvetrain will sound louder for some reason.... If you are talking about the silver bottled 5w-50 Mobil1, that is not the right viscosity if you are replacing FEO.

redliner

24-01-2007, 12:28 PM

Swapped over from mobile1 to elf full synth.. feels the same but the engine warms up quicker and oil being consumed less.

J2daW

26-01-2007, 01:14 AM

go the motul. i think its the 800 series its fully sick, um, i mean fully synth 5w40 been using it for 100,000 never missed a beat. its $55 retail 5 litre which is perfect amount for oil change, but offer them $50, they should take it! Anyone recommend good oil filters? I use Ryco's they seem ok, they're the most expensive from bigw anyway...

MRH-22A

26-01-2007, 03:32 AM

honda feo at $29 and such a good reputation... i think it may be the way to go.

redliner

29-01-2007, 10:28 AM

yeah i think i'll go bak to honda feo, gd value for money

Mrkrooz

29-01-2007, 08:57 PM

aaronng

29-01-2007, 09:43 PM

hey just wondering is Motul all its hyped up to be...??

Motul 300V is, but you have to be pushing your car at the track to reap the benefits.

Mrkrooz

29-01-2007, 09:49 PM

^^ ok thanks....i guess its pointless for the daily grind then..

aaronng

29-01-2007, 09:55 PM

preludacris

13-04-2007, 02:49 AM

anybody else here had experience with motul ?

im thinking of getting the 8100 5w40, but i heard its used for newer engines, and mine has 200 000k's ....

recommended h22a is 10w30 btw, but yeah i think i'd need at least a 40 now.

FiniX

26-04-2007, 12:42 AM

i put in 0-40 oill in it and it just leaked out the engine, went to mechanic he told me it was too thin now i belive i have 10-30 and the oil has doesnt look like its been leaking!

preludacris

26-04-2007, 02:04 AM

i was thinking of using 5w40 over winter

aaronng

26-04-2007, 07:48 AM

i put in 0-40 oill in it and it just leaked out the engine, went to mechanic he told me it was too thin now i belive i have 10-30 and the oil has doesnt look like its been leaking!

10w-30 is thinner than 0w-40. The first number is the viscosity at -18 ºC and is a big difference if you live where it snows. Do you?

sx16

27-04-2007, 09:58 PM

honda feo here :)

Drew

27-04-2007, 11:09 PM

I use Pennzoil 10w30 Full Synthetic on my Accord wagon which is the slightly stroked version of the H22A in the Preludes

Hans Bond

04-05-2007, 05:21 PM

I use Fuchs GTO 10w40.. the performance looks better :)

theseven

05-05-2007, 04:43 PM

FEO honda still do the job for me...

Luke Accord

06-05-2007, 11:01 AM

I've got a h22a in my accord and i always use motul. No problems here. Very happy with it. :thumbsup:

Geraus

08-05-2007, 08:52 AM

I use Fuchs GTO 10w40! excellent.. !

FiniX

14-05-2007, 04:57 AM

i just serviced my car done 2,000kms and oil was already empty... does anyone elses prelude vtec burn that much oil or is there sumthing really wrong with my engine?

aaronng

14-05-2007, 08:04 AM

i just serviced my car done 2,000kms and oil was already empty... does anyone elses prelude vtec burn that much oil or is there sumthing really wrong with my engine?

If you have previously let your engine oil level drop below minimum, your engine will keep on consuming oil due to the wear on the oil control rings. Another cause of oil consumption is a weakened PCV valve spring which allows too much oil fumes to re-enter the combustion chamber and get burnt.

In your case, check your oil level weekly.

Geraus

14-05-2007, 08:58 AM

Is it hard to change the PCV vavle spring? and would it also cost alot to change? .. Thanks.

aaronng

14-05-2007, 10:11 AM

Is it hard to change the PCV vavle spring? and would it also cost alot to change? .. Thanks.

It's a simple "unclip hose, unscrew old valve, screw in new valve, reclip hose". However, if your PCV valve is located in an ackward location, then it can be more troublesome. But it's DIYable for sure.

BTW, what oil do you use? FEO?

Geraus

14-05-2007, 11:01 AM

Yeh ive tried FEO but ive notice it burnt quicker.. so now im using Fuchs GTO 10w40 .. Where can i buy these valve springs from? .. Thanks for your help :)

aaronng

14-05-2007, 11:06 AM

Yeh ive tried FEO but ive notice it burnt quicker.. so now im using Fuchs GTO 10w40 .. Where can i buy these valve springs from? .. Thanks for your help :)

It's a 1-way valve that is held shut using a spring. It's not called a valve spring. Just get it from your dealer or your car parts supplier. They should be universal (at least across Jap cars) as I have fitted the PCV valve from a f22a Accord on to a Daihatsu Terios.

Hans Bond

14-05-2007, 12:21 PM

geraus: do you hit vtec a lot?

FiniX

14-05-2007, 11:03 PM

i vtec every 1 to 3rd always from my driving overall 95% the time i hit vtec :D can that be the reason why im burning alot of oil?

vtek

14-05-2007, 11:12 PM

thats the cause. You can probly run it from H to L on the dipstick if you drive it extremely hard like on track etc.

i vtec every 1 to 3rd always from my driving overall 95% the time i hit vtec :D can that be the reason why im burning alot of oil?

Hans Bond

14-05-2007, 11:30 PM

Yes I think so.. but I'm not really sure why it is. I ocassionaly hit vtec (only 3 times in the last 3000k) and my oil stay in the same level :)

i vtec every 1 to 3rd always from my driving overall 95% the time i hit vtec :D can that be the reason why im burning alot of oil?

FiniX

14-05-2007, 11:44 PM

gg me then hehe

aaronng

15-05-2007, 12:00 AM

i vtec every 1 to 3rd always from my driving overall 95% the time i hit vtec :D can that be the reason why im burning alot of oil?

I've kept my car from 4500 to 7300rpm for a total of 90 minutes in one day during track and I didn't burn oil. It depends how well the first owner looked after the engine and whether you let the engine warm up before you start fanging it.

Geraus

15-05-2007, 12:10 AM

vtek

15-05-2007, 02:56 PM

Why dont you take it to someone to diagnose the problem first before buying parts?

FiniX

16-05-2007, 01:23 AM

coz these days everywere u take it dont know much about the cars.. all old time mechanics. and not much honda guys out there.. and original dealers cost heaps

aaronng

16-05-2007, 07:48 AM

yeh ive been hittin vtec alot , i was racing my mates r33 turbo(no not on the streets at our track), his skyline was a auto..mine was a manaul it was a fair race but.. when his boost was finished, my vtec was still goin so i was up a lil bit...anyways i went to the honda dealer i asked for the PCV valve or something 43$ :) .. or could you tell me the actuall name for it again? What do i need?...

PCV valve is right. But you don't need to get it from Honda. A generic one should cost you like $10-15. It's just a fitting with a 1-way spring door in it. Just make sure you get the right spring strength (or just PM destrukshn :) )

Hans Bond

18-05-2007, 10:40 PM

Geraus: I just found this thread from www.preludeaustralia.com

http://www.preludeaustralia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27380

seems there's oil leak problem for 97 model:

Oil leak: Sudden oil loss and resultant severe engine damage could be the result of front balance shaft oil plug popping out. (1997)

Geraus

19-05-2007, 12:39 AM

Cool thanks :)

vtek

20-05-2007, 09:27 PM

you will know if the balance shaft pops out, you would lose 5 litres in like 5 minutes.

Geraus: I just found this thread from www.preludeaustralia.com (http://www.preludeaustralia.com)

http://www.preludeaustralia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27380

seems there's oil leak problem for 97 model:

Oil leak: Sudden oil loss and resultant severe engine damage could be the result of front balance shaft oil plug popping out. (1997)

vtek

20-05-2007, 09:29 PM

Yeah alright let the forumers diagnose the problem, thats really going to help.

coz these days everywere u take it dont know much about the cars.. all old time mechanics. and not much honda guys out there.. and original dealers cost heaps

Hans Bond

20-05-2007, 10:52 PM

this might be a stupid comment..
but i reckon the 5th gen prelude is mysterious..

based on what I read in www.preludeaustralia.com,

there are some 5th gen who never experience oil loss even you hit vtec a lot.. while some of them lose 1 litre of oil every 1k...

Same thing happens to some of the 5th gen auto tranny for 97-98 model which never failed at all.. while some of them fail more than three times before 100k..

aaronng

21-05-2007, 01:14 AM

you will know if the balance shaft pops out, you would lose 5 litres in like 5 minutes.

Balance shaft oil plug. Beef up your reading skills. Skipping one or two words is not good.

vtek

21-05-2007, 01:51 PM

its actually called the balance shaft seal to be exact. Theres a language centre near my work, so if you like the number dont be affraid to ask.

Balance shaft oil plug. Beef up your reading skills. Skipping one or two words is not good.

aaronng

21-05-2007, 04:54 PM

its actually called the balance shaft seal to be exact. Theres a language centre near my work, so if you like the number dont be affraid to ask.
Please send it over :)

vtek

21-05-2007, 07:15 PM

lol ok..

dundas

24-05-2007, 06:46 PM

Lmao---

fgramegna

14-08-2007, 10:22 PM

Has anyone tried Amsoil? I just did an oil change on my car with it. We just had a track day a couple weeks ago and the guys that were using it were raving about it. None of them burnt any oil that day. More and more of the them are switching over to it. I went from the German Castrol 0W30 to Amsoil XLF 5W30.

code-87

15-08-2007, 12:27 AM

a friend recommend somefing called "redline something or other" its spose to be really gud transmission oil.

as for engine oil i was about to put caltex havoline fully synthetic 5W-40 in my type R....dis bad???
can easily get honda oil, honda oil is the FEO correct?

Mrkrooz

15-08-2007, 11:39 AM

Yep Honda Oil is the FEO......thats what i use cant go wrong with OEM ;)

code-87

15-08-2007, 10:18 PM

so the gearbox oil that honda does it top notch aswell?
guna replace all fluids n wanna dut decent stuff in

aaronng

15-08-2007, 10:46 PM

so the gearbox oil that honda does it top notch aswell?
guna replace all fluids n wanna dut decent stuff in

Just changed my gearbox fluid today. The new Honda MTF is better than the old one so far. No more notchyness in my gearbox. New one is colourless, while the old one is golden in colour.

code-87

15-08-2007, 11:33 PM

cheers will look into it

theseven

05-09-2007, 07:12 AM

with mrKooz... FEO... cann't go wrong,,,

FiniX

27-09-2007, 02:55 AM

HONDA GENIUNE OIL... Nothing else.. dont be fooled by other posts.

preludacris

27-09-2007, 03:11 PM

lol don't be fooled?

FEO is too thin for older engines mate. over 100,000k's u should probably move to something thicker.

ev0luti0nzer0

28-09-2007, 12:02 AM

using Fuch GTO 10W-40

Hans Bond

28-09-2007, 08:58 AM

yes FEO is the best oil for car below 100,000k..

for more than 100,000k but less than 200,000k, I would suggest:
-magnatec 10w/40 - but it is a must to change oil every 5000k
-fuchs gto 10w/40 - recommended semi-syn oil for 5th gen lude
-motul 8100 10w/40 - also recommended semi-syn oil for 5th gen lude, just put it in my car and works very well.
-some people says to use mobile oil, but i won't recommend this, I tried once but my car seems doesn't like it.

what about more than 200k?
I'll suggest motul 15w/50 semi syn oil, which I reckon it will suit.

what about fully synthetic?
I tried once to put fuchs supersyn which is fully synthetic, but seems my car doesn't like it. I havent tried motul 300V chrono, but from some post i've read before, it could be the best full-syn oil for 5th lude/H22A series engine.

aaronng

28-09-2007, 11:28 AM

More than 200k, I'd still stick to a 10w-40, unless it is the old SOHC F series, which I then would use 10w-50 or 15w-50.

Hans Bond

28-09-2007, 04:03 PM

^^ any reason why u prefer to use 10w40 for more than 200k?

aaronng

28-09-2007, 05:14 PM

^^ any reason why u prefer to use 10w40 for more than 200k?

Not ALL engines with more than 200k require 10w-50 oil. You can have an engine with over 200k that was treated well with proper warming up before any heavy throttle and had very little wear which can still run 10w-30. :)

I'd say for an engine with 200k, start with a 10w-30 first. If you are consuming oil, go up to 10w-40. If it still consumes oil, check the PCV valve and check for blowby as well. If you need 10w-50 for that 200k engine, all you are trying to do is to mask a problem. I'd rather fix the problem instead.

What do you run on your h22a? 10w-50 because you are burning oil?

Hans Bond

01-10-2007, 09:08 AM

nope, i always use 10w40.. my car is still between 100k and 200k range :)
Burning oil is not an issue to my car though...

Based on what I read, it seems quite common for H22a to burn some oil - varies between 300ml to 1000ml per 1000km.. I reckon the normal range would prolly be 300ml to 600ml - but there are some people experience burning 1000ml of oil per 1000km even though they are in 100k and 200k range and using 10w40.

aaronng

01-10-2007, 01:49 PM

Yeah, but a thicker oil is only a bandaid solution. There are a few stock k24a's in the US that consume over 1000 ml per 1000km for some reason. For those cars a bottom end rebore and rebuild didn't solve the problem and required a shortblock replacement. That's why I suspect that there are many weakened/faulty PCV valves out there in Honda engines. :)