Upgrading cams on Non Vtec Tegs

[redinteg]

Hey, Prolly a noob question i know but are there any aftermarket cams, adjustable cam gears and Valve springs ect on the market for non Vtec engines?
I have a 95 GSI with extractors, 2 1/4 inch exhaust and a custom SRI with K&N stuck on the end (planning on lightweight flywheel soon) and i whould enjoy reaching beyond my 6900 redline. please tell me if i'm waisting my time but i hant got the cash for a turbo or Vtec conversion.

any info whould be great, thanks in advance.

Cheers,

[tinkerbell]

what extractors?

SAFC might be better first option, then followed by cams...

skunk2 seems to be popular for B18B's

[Cold Fusion]

i just brought a whole bunch of stuff for my car which is exactly what UR talking about, power for the non-vtec engine

on my car the da9 i got Stage 2 Crower Cams, Crower Retainer Spring Set, And some Crower Cam Gears, in total it all cost me around 1400 bucks (cams were 400 coz i brought them from a mate, rest came from USA)
they go by the engine not the car, so they WILL have things for ur car, what engine is it again (i got no idea) my next step and i think is vital is a SAFC becuase whats the point in having it all if it isnt running rioght, u need the tune to get it all right, plus u gain alot from a fairly cheap mod

ill take pics of my stuff for u if u wanna see hehe

hope i helped

[Cold Fusion]

just reading relines post again u have a b18b is that right? well all the part numbers are the same for b18a/b18b because there "the same engine"

Cams- 62403-2-
Stage 2 - Street/Strip package.
Most popular "all motor" profile.
Requires #84162 kit. 1000 to 8000+ rpm (15-18 hp).

after exstencivle reading post after post about Crower cams i believe the 403's are better than the 404's, becuase they provide a better "daily" driving consistancy wiht not as harsh idle and things like that

Cam Gears
86054BB Honda B Series (black)
86054BC Honda B Series (clear)

[redinteg]

what extractors?

SAFC might be better first option, then followed by cams...

skunk2 seems to be popular for B18B's


They are 4-2-1's not sure on the brand, nothing too special though.

sorry to be a noob but whats a SAFC? is it a type of ECU or somthing?
I searched the forum but couldnt find a definition for it.



thanks for the info so far.

[Cold Fusion]

Apexi SAFC (taken from apoexi-usa.com)
http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electronics_detail.asp?id=202&pageNum=1

http://www.apexi-usa.com/graphics/products/2021.jpg

The Super AFC II (Air Flow Converter) is the industry standard for sub computer fuel control. The S-AFC II is designed to fine tune and "squeeze" power out of existing engine setups by allowing the user to modify the fuel curve with precision accuracy. Since the act of simply bolting on performance products does not make maximum horsepower, the S-AFC II allows the user to calibrate the fuel system in accordance with performance upgrades as they are installed. The AFC modifies the air flow meter/ pressure sensor signal voltage going to the factory ECU (Engine Control Unit) to change the amount of fuel injected. The S-AFC II utilizes a VFD (Vacuum Florescent Display) to display critical data in three different modes.

Features for the S-AFC II include:
Newly designed case and user interface, single button menu navigation, 12 point fuel correction in 200 RPM increments, data storage for two different correction maps, password protection, integrated knock monitor, and 4 different display options.

The S-AFC II, while not completely universal, comes preprogrammed with 15 of the most commonly used air flow meter/pressure sensor maps. By setting the AFC to one of these programs, the user is able to adjust injected fuel amounts by +/- 50%. 12 user defined RPM adjustment points allow for fine tuning in 200 RPM increments. Fuel can also be adjusted for part or full throttle situations.

The Deceleration Air Flow Correction cures erratic idle problems for Hot Wire vehicles equipped with an open atmosphere blow off valve. The S-AFC II can also display an incredible amount of data including: Air Flow Capacity (Hotwire and Flap Type only), Engine RPM, Throttle Position, Pressure Sensor voltage, Karmann Frequency, and Air Flow Meter Correction.

The S-AFC II displays data in three different modes: Numerical, Analog, and Graph. Numerical Mode allows the user to monitor up to four different parameters in numbers and also shows peak hold values on demand. The Analog Mode displays up to two values in an easy to read meter style display. Peak Hold is also included in this function. The Graph mode offers real time graph plotting with a Ghost map trace feature built in. The graph can replay movement up to 60 seconds.

CONCEPT:
Piggyback Fuel Computer with 12 correction points in 200 RPM increments.

CHARACTERISTICS:
Modifies air-flow meter signal (pressure signal in some vehicles) to optimize fuel-air ratio; Vacuum Fluorescent Display (VFD).

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there is also a new Apexi Neo out as well which is the next up from the SAFC, but it does cost a bit more.

[Cold Fusion]

The Neo- (taken from apexi-usa.com)
http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electronics_detail.asp?id=260&pageNum=1
http://www.apexi-usa.com/graphics/products/2601.jpg
http://www.apexi-usa.com/graphics/products/2603.jpg

The SAFC NEO marks the newest edition to the world famous Super AFC line of piggy back fuel controllers. Building upon the powerful SAFC II, the AFC NEO has taken piggy back style fuel control to a new level. The AFC NEO boasts an incredible 16 points of user definable fuel correction. VTEC control has also been incorporated for Honda/Acura applications. A complete monitor mode is also available to keep the driver/tuner informed of critical engine data.

Features include:

- Completely new case design
- Compact design
- Incorporates both AFC and VAFC functions in one unit
- 16 point fuel correction
- Color FED display
- User defined button and background colors
- Inverted "anti-glare" screen

Key functions include:

MONITOR MODE-
* RPM
* Throttle
* Battery voltage
* Correction %
* Air flow %
* Pressure
* Karmann
* VTEC

SETTING MODE-
* Air map
* Air map graph
* Throttle point
* Deceleration air
* VTEC control
* VTEC unmatch

ETC MODE-
* Model select
* Mode select
* Car select
* Sensor select
* Analog scale
* Warning set
* Display set
* Sensor check


CONCEPT:
High resolution fuel control with integrated VTEC control.

CHARACTERISTICS:
Revolutionary color FED display easily

[redinteg]

i just brought a whole bunch of stuff for my car which is exactly what UR talking about, power for the non-vtec engine

on my car the da9 i got Stage 2 Crower Cams, Crower Retainer Spring Set, And some Crower Cam Gears, in total it all cost me around 1400 bucks (cams were 400 coz i brought them from a mate, rest came from USA)
they go by the engine not the car, so they WILL have things for ur car, what engine is it again (i got no idea) my next step and i think is vital is a SAFC becuase whats the point in having it all if it isnt running rioght, u need the tune to get it all right, plus u gain alot from a fairly cheap mod

ill take pics of my stuff for u if u wanna see hehe

hope i helped

have you got it all installed yet? if so what sort of gains have you managed (or expect)? i'm thinking that Apexi SAFC II might be nice come tax return time.

Could you please post some pics or your stuff?

[crispy]

I would hate to know the price of that SAFC Neo... although that is a great mod to have due to the fact that u can ultimately tune your car from the cockpit and monitor almost everything, Let us know how the cams go aswell!!

[VT3C]

IMO for the effort and expense of aftermarket cams and valvetrain etc.. i'd say you're better to try and find a B16A(2) head and ECU and do the VTEC conversion. The VTEC head will give you much higher gains than just non-vtec cams and will provide much more flexibility for future mods...

think about it once you whack cams etc in a non-vtec and approach the engine's limits, you're still only in stock B16A territory.. B16A head on your B18B block and you're closer to type R

[Cold Fusion]

have you got it all installed yet? if so what sort of gains have you managed (or expect)? i'm thinking that Apexi SAFC II might be nice come tax return time.

Could you please post some pics or your stuff?

i havent got it installed yet, so far im buying stuff after every pay check lol i still got headers and either SAFC or neo to buy. the neos are 570 from ebay (inc shipping) and the SAFCs u can get 2nd hand for like...300

i HOPE to get (with headers, cams, cam gears and safc+tune maybe..

cams- 10-15
cam gears- 5-10
Tune-6-12
Headers-5-15

so around hopefully 40kw at engine Gain (i have no idea but id hope its alot gain for the money its cost lol)

All my car has atm is exaughst and air intake...and yeh im waiting for my tax too lol

I will get pics ASAP ;)

[Cold Fusion]

Pics-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/C01d/Retainer2flash.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/C01d/Retainer.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/C01d/Gear.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/C01d/CamGEars.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/C01d/Cam3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/C01d/Cam1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/C01d/All.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/C01d/All-1.jpg

Camera thanks to Kyle (integggra)

[locote]

IMO for the effort and expense of aftermarket cams and valvetrain etc.. i'd say you're better to try and find a B16A(2) head and ECU and do the VTEC conversion. The VTEC head will give you much higher gains than just non-vtec cams and will provide much more flexibility for future mods...

think about it once you whack cams etc in a non-vtec and approach the engine's limits, you're still only in stock B16A territory.. B16A head on your B18B block and you're closer to type R

If you can make your desired power with the motor u have then why wouldnt you.
Theres plenty of examples out there of nonvtec making good N/A power and running good times.
http://www.tuneruniversity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1

[FR33K]

i havent got it installed yet, so far im buying stuff after every pay check lol i still got headers and either SAFC or neo to buy. the neos are 570 from ebay (inc shipping) and the SAFCs u can get 2nd hand for like...300

i HOPE to get (with headers, cams, cam gears and safc+tune maybe..

cams- 10-15
cam gears- 5-10
Tune-6-12
Headers-5-15

so around hopefully 40kw at engine Gain (i have no idea but id hope its alot gain for the money its cost lol)

All my car has atm is exaughst and air intake...and yeh im waiting for my tax too lol

I will get pics ASAP ;)
your cam gears power estimate should be deleted as they wont get you any 'extra' power.. theyre there to get you the max hp from the cams..

so really should be cams & cam gears 5-15 or whatever

dont be dissapointed if you dont get 40kw at the fly wheel coz thats a massive estimate.. 96 + 40 kw is 136kw !! ;) goodluck

[bennyBear]

^^^ agreed

With these mods, a good tune (emphasis on GOOD tune) and the condition of your existing gear/engine, you should be looking at about a 25-30kw at the fly gain max.

Dont be too dissapointed if the numbers sound low, torque and drivability will be the main improvements.

Good luck with the build up!

[Cold Fusion]

yeh i said engine not wheels if u read my thing, that would equal around 25-30ish at the wheels....Like i said...

and i cant wait :P

[tinkerbell]

atfw = "at the front wheels"

[jimmeh]

why dont u get some from rocket motorsports

[FR33K]

haha obviously a bit of miscommunication there

[bennyBear]

good luck with the build!

I considered doing this for a long time w/ my gsi. In the end I couldnt justify the money spent for the gains.

Secondly I now have a factory turbo car in the ranks and it's a whole nother kettle of fish!

Poor integra! off to the g/f you go, lol.

[Cold Fusion]

the motor is like 2000ks old, so itll get the max possible gain from the cams, given that the compression ratio is tip top. its already like as fast as v6 commodores, just from the fresh motor, and once i do this gear ill burn them :)