[Euro] Turbo kit

[yfin]

In my occassional trawl of the net for all things cl9 - found this turbo kit. Can't find out more info, nor can I read german.

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_produkte/honda_nnomo_turboteile.htm

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_produkte/honda_nnomo_fotos/honda_nnomo_turboteile/honda_accord_cl9_turbo1.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_produkte/honda_nnomo_fotos/honda_nnomo_turboteile/honda_accord_cl9_turbo.jpg

[destrukshn]

piping looks extensive, but looks oh so sexy.
lol.

[yfin]

ooh yeah, wonder what they did for tuning.. as that appears to be the biggest hurdle so far.

edit - i emailed these geezers in bavaria

[krogoth]

have the japz even turboed a euro yet?

funny how germanz do something that hardcore to a jap car...lol

and yes the tuning wood have been hard id imagine

[yfin]

ok I emailed these guys - also found out more info!

Source: http://www.nnomo-racing.com/gallerie.htm

Web German to english translation (doesn't translate well but gives you an idea)

Engine
Steam turbine and gas turbine systems 3 clutch, aluminum flywheel, save T03/04 loader, nitrite casting elbow union, Tial 38 mm of Wastegate, to 400 cell Rennkat, 76 mm of high-grade steel exhaust system with oval final pipes special production, 40 mm adjustable Blow off, A'pexi control AVC r with electronic load pressure adjustment, load-pressure-dependent Vortech Benzindruckregler, 440er injection nozzles of XS engineering

Chassis change
Honda feathers/springs

Body
Completely Bodykit inclusive. Type R tail wing, fender in sheet metal and tin widens, bumpers in front and in the back the widenings adapted

Brakes
MOV.it four-piston brake assembly on the front axle
with 322/32 punched two-piece brake disks

Rim/tyre
Front axle: RH RAN Crossline 9 x 19 with 35 mm mounting plates, Continental sport Contact 2 - 235/35 ZR 19
Rear axle: RH RAN Crossline 11 x 19 with 20 mm mounting plates, Continental sport Contact 2 - 295/30 ZR 19

Original German text:

Motor
Stage 3 Kupplung, Aluschwungscheibe, Garrett T03/04 Lader, Nitritgusskrümmer, Tial 38 mm Wastegate, 400 Zellen-Rennkat, 76 mm Edelstahl-Auspuffanlage mit ovalen Endrohren Sonderanfertigung, 40 mm einstellbares Blow-Off, A'pexi-Steuerung AVC-R mit elektronischer Ladedruckeinstellung, ladedruckabhängiger Vortech-Benzindruckregler, 440er Einspritzdüsen von XS-engineering

Fahrwerksveränderung
Honda-Sportfedern

Karosserie
Komplett Bodykit incl. Type R Heckflügel, Kotflügel in Blech und Zinn verbreitert, Stoßstangen vorne und hinten den Verbreiterungen angepaßt

Bremsen
MOV´it Vierkolbenbremsanlage auf der Vorderachse
mit 322/32 gelochten zweiteiligen Bremsscheiben

Felgen/Bereifung
Vorderachse: RH RAN-Crossline 9 x 19 mit 35 mm Montageplatten, Continental Sport-Contact 2 - 235/35 ZR 19
Hinterachse: RH RAN-Crossline 11 x 19 mit 20 mm Montageplatten, Continental Sport-Contact 2 - 295/30 ZR 19


http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_galerie/honda_accord_cl9/honda_accord_cl9_nnomo_turbo_1g.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_galerie/honda_accord_cl9/honda_accord_cl9_nnomo_turbo_3g.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_galerie/honda_accord_cl9/honda_accord_cl9_nnomo_turbo_4g.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_galerie/honda_accord_cl9/honda_accord_cl9_nnomo_turbo_5g.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_galerie/honda_accord_cl9/honda_accord_cl9_nnomo_turbo_7g.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_galerie/honda_accord_cl9/honda_accord_cl9_nnomo_turbo_8g.jpg

[vtec_jet]

talk about PHAT tyres! pphoowww!

[yfin]

Can anyone work out engine management from the german? I can see Apexi AVR-C as a boost controller.

[Unkie]

Funny how they put 295 tyres on the back of a FWD. Looks damn mean (tho doesnt really suit the Euro), but I guess its for show and not racing/track then.

[yfin]

Funny how they put 295 tyres on the back of a FWD. Looks damn mean (tho doesnt really suit the Euro), but I guess its for show and not racing/track then.

Very true, the driven wheels are running the same width as me so what is the point of 295 at the rear? It is just looks.

But these guys don't look like amateurs. Look at that gallery - there is a turbo bolted onto quite a few hondas there...

[yfin]

More info! Cmon german readers - translate the text in this please (just the article part would be good):

Source:
http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_presse/honda_nnomo_maximum_tuner/honda_nomo_nov_dez-2005_accord_cl9_turbo/honda_accord_cl9_turbo.htm



http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_presse/honda_nnomo_maximum_tuner/honda_nomo_nov_dez-2005_accord_cl9_turbo/honda_accord_cl9_turbo_index.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_presse/honda_nnomo_maximum_tuner/honda_nomo_nov_dez-2005_accord_cl9_turbo/honda_accord_cl9_turbo1.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_presse/honda_nnomo_maximum_tuner/honda_nomo_nov_dez-2005_accord_cl9_turbo/honda_accord_cl9_turbo2.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_presse/honda_nnomo_maximum_tuner/honda_nomo_nov_dez-2005_accord_cl9_turbo/honda_accord_cl9_turbo3.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_presse/honda_nnomo_maximum_tuner/honda_nomo_nov_dez-2005_accord_cl9_turbo/honda_accord_cl9_turbo4.jpg

http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_presse/honda_nnomo_maximum_tuner/honda_nomo_nov_dez-2005_accord_cl9_turbo/honda_accord_cl9_turbo5.jpg




http://www.nnomo-racing.com/honda_nnomo_presse/honda_nnomo_maximum_tuner/honda_nomo_nov_dez-2005_accord_cl9_turbo/honda_accord_cl9_turbo6.jpg

[stephen8512]

omg
a turbo euro
just thinkin about it makes my mouth drool

[Pumped]

Phat tyres :-)

[Q_ball]

Do it Yfin....DO IT :D:D
Join the dark side!! ;)

[SecaBoy]

:eek: GOT INSANELY JEALOUS!!! :eek:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[EuroDude]

bwahaha those tyres are hectic :D the bodykit is not bad.

Although I heard increasing the rim size in Germany is illegal - so I think its only used for the track.

[PrecyseStylez]

Any prices for this kit? is it available to the public?? does anyone know? :p

[yfin]

Any prices for this kit? is it available to the public?? does anyone know? :p

I emailed them - but given you have the TSX you would be better off going with one of the options in the USA.

[Atjo]

Can we combine this turbo kit with comptech supercharge?

[PrecyseStylez]

I emailed them - but given you have the TSX you would be better off going with one of the options in the USA.

Now why would i do that?? there are no turbo kits available here..plus the euro accord shares the same motor and everything else.. you guys just have 190hp compared to the TSX's 200hp..other than that its the same car

[yfin]

Now why would i do that?? there are no turbo kits available here..plus the euro accord shares the same motor and everything else.. you guys just have 190hp compared to the TSX's 200hp..other than that its the same car

There are more differences than you might think. Do you think, for example, the ECUs are the same? What about interior, suspension, gear ratios, lack of strut brace, etc. There are lots of differeces - and many are only known to Honda.

When I was referring to other options - i was thinking the Comptech Supercharger. At least you can get the tune for that easy in the USA. God help you getting the Germans to tune your TSX without having your car in Germany.

[PrecyseStylez]

There are more differences than you might think. Do you think, for example, the ECUs are the same? What about interior, suspension, gear ratios, lack of strut brace, etc. There are lots of differeces - and many are only known to Honda.

When I was referring to other options - i was thinking the Comptech Supercharger. At least you can get the tune for that easy in the USA. God help you getting the Germans to tune your TSX without having your car in Germany.

nah..im pretty sure the gear ratios are the same.. the strut brace is an extra which has nothing to do with the motor or tranny. there arent any differences with the motor or with the tranny..maybe the ecu due to your 10hp less..but thats just the ecu.. i can find engine managment..i just want the hardware of the turbo kit.. but if you can find out any prices that would be a big help

[yfin]

nah..im pretty sure the gear ratios are the same.. the strut brace is an extra which has nothing to do with the motor or tranny. there arent any differences with the motor or with the tranny..maybe the ecu due to your 10hp less..but thats just the ecu.. i can find engine managment..i just want the hardware of the turbo kit.. but if you can find out any prices that would be a big help

They never emailed me back re price or even acknowledge my email. So go figure.

Re the differences - the gear ratios are different - check for yourself if you dont believe me. As for the motor - probably not different but I cant say categorically there is ZERO difference with every component. The engine designation is a different code - so not sure how you can say for sure the motor is the same. And of course your 06 TSX engine has known internal differences to the one we have - so I wouldnt be surprised to hear of some minor internal differences in the 03-05 series.

[PrecyseStylez]

They never emailed me back re price or even acknowledge my email. So go figure.

Re the differences - the final gear ratio is different. As for the motor - probably not different but I cant say categorically there is ZERO difference with every component. The engine designation is a different code - so not sure how you can say for sure the motor is the same. And of course your 06 TSX engine has known internal differences to the one we have - so I wouldnt be surprised to hear of some minor internal differences in the 03-05 series.

I have the 2004 model.. so interals might be the same.. but the 06's are different than my model year. but that still shouldn't effect anything with this turbo kit if tuned.. as long as it fits.. which it will

[yfin]

yeah it should bolt on - and if you can get it tuned you are away.

[h1coupe]

They never emailed me back re price or even acknowledge my email. So go figure.

Re the differences - the gear ratios are different - check for yourself if you dont believe me. As for the motor - probably not different but I cant say categorically there is ZERO difference with every component. The engine designation is a different code - so not sure how you can say for sure the motor is the same. And of course your 06 TSX engine has known internal differences to the one we have - so I wouldnt be surprised to hear of some minor internal differences in the 03-05 series.


have you got something to back up that the gear ratios are different?
I would really like to know befor I go and change mine, what they really are?

[aaronng]

have you got something to back up that the gear ratios are different?
I would really like to know befor I go and change mine, what they really are?

You mean you don't know how to use the internet to search gear ratios from www.acura.com and from www.honda.com.au???? Don't expect to be spoon-fed. At least learn to google.

TSX:
1st: 3.267
2nd: 1.880
3rd: 1.355
4th: 1.028
5th: 0.825
6th: 0.659
Reverse: 3.583
Final Drive: 4.760

Accord Euro:
1st: 3.533
2nd: 1.880
3rd: 1.354
4th: 1.027
5th: 0.825
6th: 0.659
Reverse: 3.583
Final drive: 4.388

[h1coupe]

I had all ready checked and found the tsx gear ratios, but never anything specific about the accord, so I figured they had the same ratios and the final drive? so I never searched harder;)

but this sheds more light on things and means I have to change the final drive along with 2,3 and 4th gears. If I hadn´t stumbled on this information I would have been non the wiser:)

[aaronng]

If you want harder acceleration, just use a shorter final drive. You don't need to change each gear ratio unless you want to specifically keep 1-2, 2-3 shifts in vtec.

[PrecyseStylez]

the gear ratios arent too far apart from each other.. but that has nothing to do with the turbo kit fitting for a TSX.. if you tune the kit then those ratios mean nothing really

[yfin]

any luck contacting them precysestylez?

I still have no email from them so you should try calling. By the way, what did you have in mind for engine management?

[yfin]

Update - got a reply from germany!! I don't think they will mind if I post it up here as it could get them a sale.

4500 Euro is about $7500 AUD. With the quoted installation (not that anyone here will get it installed in Germany)- it would be about $10k.

Excuse me if I am ignorant but would that 280hp be at the wheels? If so that would be over 200kw at the engine which would be very nice indeed.

....
Hello,

thanks for your enquiry.

On the stock engine, up to 280 hp can be achieved.

We use a piggy-back-system and the stock ECU is not touched.

The price for the CL9 turbokit is 4500,- Euro,
installation of the kit costs 1800,- Euro.

If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards
nnomo-racing-team

[PrecyseStylez]

Update - got a reply from germany!! I don't think they will mind if I post it up here as it could get them a sale.

4500 Euro is about $7500 AUD. With the quoted installation (not that anyone here will get it installed in Germany)- it would be about $10k.

Excuse me if I am ignorant but would that 280hp be at the wheels? If so that would be over 200kw at the engine which would be very nice indeed.

....
Hello,

thanks for your enquiry.

On the stock engine, up to 280 hp can be achieved.

We use a piggy-back-system and the stock ECU is not touched.

The price for the CL9 turbokit is 4500,- Euro,
installation of the kit costs 1800,- Euro.

If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards
nnomo-racing-team

How much would that be in US dollars??

[euro77]

How much would that be in US dollars??

From www.xe.com

4,500 Euro = 5,795.76 USD
1,800 Euro = 2,318.30 USD

[aaronng]

Piggyback + turbo......... I think I'll sit this one out.

[curik]

yfin, turboing costs $10k? If you can sell the euro for $32k you will have about $42k, you can almost get a mazda6 mps 190kw!!

[stephen8512]

piggyback ECU and turbo?
what about a motec ECU replacement and this turbo kit? would that work?

[aaronng]

piggyback ECU and turbo?
what about a motec ECU replacement and this turbo kit? would that work?
Motec should work. Just add the appropriate module to control the wastegate. But Motec itself costs $10k tuned (I think)...

[ZEi20T]

do apexi make a powerfc for a CL9??

[Chris_F]

Piggyback + turbo......... I think I'll sit this one out.

Motec should work. Just add the appropriate module to control the wastegate. But Motec itself costs $10k tuned (I think)...

+ 1

For a Motec Ecu capable of DBW your probably looking around 6k installed and tuned. Not quite 10k but sitll up there.

ZEi20T, there's no apexi power fc for the CL9

The closest thing to a tuneable ecu for the euro so far is the EFI application that pornstar created a thread for... details are coming soon for that.

The other option is the hondata reflash :p

[ZEi20T]

and trust emanage, but thats a piggyback, so i guess you could use any piggyback.

maybe ill remove that from my S15 before it goes and keep it for the Euro. i want control over vtec

[thewinnerz]

euro turbo look real nice

[PrecyseStylez]

What's the number to contact this company? Does anyone know?

[yfin]

What's the number to contact this company? Does anyone know?

Per Telefon unter 07851/9569207,
technische Hotline (http://www.hazett-kehl.de/nnomo/honda_nnomo_technik_hotline.htm) 07851/9569204 montags - freitags von 17.00 bis 19.00 h
per Fax unter 07851/898825,
per Email an team@nnomo-racing.com (team@nnomo-racing.com)
oder füllen Sie einfach nachstehendes Formular aus ...

[PrecyseStylez]

Per Telefon unter 07851/9569207,
technische Hotline (http://www.hazett-kehl.de/nnomo/honda_nnomo_technik_hotline.htm) 07851/9569204 montags - freitags von 17.00 bis 19.00 h
per Fax unter 07851/898825,
per Email an team@nnomo-racing.com (team@nnomo-racing.com)
oder füllen Sie einfach nachstehendes Formular aus ...


um... how would i call from here in the US?? thats alot of numbers!!

[yourfather]

I think the CompTech supercharger option is better for you guys anyway.

It'd have superior response to most other cars out there, and in my opinion, these cars are too heavy to be racers, they're great cruisers.

[euro77]

um... how would i call from here in the US?? thats alot of numbers!! don't ask us... u're the one living in the US, most of us are down under.

[yourfather]

um... how would i call from here in the US?? thats alot of numbers!!

why would you expect us to know how to call someone from the US, when we wouldn't expect you to know how to call germany from Australia.

[pornstar]

yup, and its now available :)


+ 1

For a Motec Ecu capable of DBW your probably looking around 6k installed and tuned. Not quite 10k but sitll up there.

ZEi20T, there's no apexi power fc for the CL9

The closest thing to a tuneable ecu for the euro so far is the EFI application that pornstar created a thread for... details are coming soon for that.

The other option is the hondata reflash :p

[Chris_F]

yup, and its now available :)

fantastic... recieved the email with the details... would you object to me starting a thread to discuss some of the details about the ecu?

[accordman]

Funny how they put 295 tyres on the back of a FWD. Looks damn mean (tho doesnt really suit the Euro), but I guess its for show and not racing/track then.

because the bmw is rear wheel driven, and thats why the rear wheel bigger than front and they want a make a bmw feeling...