k20 question?

[cuongn]

i was just wondering y is it that the type s has more kw then the type r? would the type s beat the type r in a race 400m or is it the type s is not better on performance then the type r.?i am talkin about the DC5R. wat is the differnts on these 2 model? in performance wise

[jdm_kid]

abit of info models -

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6

[Snoop_gee]

abit of info models -

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6

that still doesnt show the difference in model info between a DC5 TYPE R and TYPE S on the first thread. :confused:

[jdm_kid]

http://www.k20a.org/

[timofytit]

The DC5S is built more for comfort. I have a DC5R, they have more comfort than the DC2R. The R's are pretty much built for racing, minimal weight, max body strength, best handling. The DC5S is the last of the integra series, its more built for sport, the suspension is softer, the VTEC cam appears to be less harsh, still has the sports look. I think if it dropped out some of its comfort and shed some weight, and improved its handling track/street (street at present), there would be no reason for it not to be faster than the R's. In then end, the engine is the same as the DC5R. The DC5S has a different cam, and has a different ecu. Anyway, i'm sure you'll hear more about it on the posts. If it helps, just throw a pq or rep point my way.

[Q_ball]

DC5S also lacks LSD, whereas the DC5R has it.

[Jums]

i think ur talkin about the aussie spec type-r which uses the same k20a2 as the type-s (correct me if im wrong). i think the type-s has a few factory mods done to it thats y it has more kw with the same motor.

[Q_ball]

Integra Type S

As Integra, plus:

Replaces Type R variant
Power increased to 154kW.
High performance camshafts.
Engine intake duct 10 per cent bigger.
Large diameter exhaust pipe.
Free-flowing catalytic converter.
Exhaust flow increased by 10 per cent.
Six-speed manual transmission with lower final drive ratio.
Carbon synchronizers on fifth and sixth gear.
Firmer springs and dampers.
Front strut tower bar.
Rear performance rod.
Larger diameter brake master cylinder.
Revised brakes with reduced brake pedal stroke and firmer brake feel.
Rear spoiler.
17 inch alloy wheels.
Leather trim.
Sunroof.
6CD tuner with MP3 player.
Information above is in comparison to the base Integra DC5 i think, information captured here. (http://www.motorsm.com/AUS/cars/new/Honda/2005_Integra.htm)

Also, the Type S has a K20Z1 motor.
Heres the differences between the 2 cars as per Redbook. (http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?key2=HOND03BA&key=HOND06AI&new=1)

[aaronng]

^^ he has the info. :)
Just watched Hot version and the facelifted DC5R is even better than the original DC5R!

[string]

It makes more power because it revs higher. Two ways for a n/a to increase power; More torque (i.e. more displacement, individual throttles, etc...) or more rpm (usually need cams to bring torque band up to higher rpm). All the [performance oriented] vtec engines follow the more rpm philosophy.

[timofytit]

Information above is in comparison to the base Integra DC5 i think, information captured here. (http://www.motorsm.com/AUS/cars/new/Honda/2005_Integra.htm)

Also, the Type S has a K20Z1 motor.
Heres the differences between the 2 cars as per Redbook. (http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?key2=HOND03BA&key=HOND06AI&new=1)

You are comparing the base DC5, Not the DC5R to the DC5S

The DC5S has softer springs than the DC5R
The DC5S has less angle on the high cam compared to the DC5R
The DC5S a less rigid body than the DC5R
The DC5S is heavier than the DC5R

[TeMp]

You are comparing the base DC5, Not the DC5R to the DC5S

The DC5S has softer springs than the DC5R
The DC5S has less angle on the high cam compared to the DC5R
The DC5S a less rigid body than the DC5R
The DC5S is heavier than the DC5R

Info source? Please don't say I heard...

[Q_ball]

You are comparing the base DC5, Not the DC5R to the DC5S

The DC5S has softer springs than the DC5R
The DC5S has less angle on the high cam compared to the DC5R
The DC5S a less rigid body than the DC5R
The DC5S is heavier than the DC5R
Thats wat i said in my post, that the top lot of info is comparing a base model DC5 with the DC5S.
The Redbook link is comparing both the DC5R and the DC5S.

[cuongn]

wat would be the better option to go for. performance wise. witch car would make it to the 400m first.

[timofytit]

I'm not sure which one would be quicker, I know the DC5R is lighter than the DC5S. But the DC5S has more power than the DC5R. But the DC5R has an LSD and the DC5S doesn't.

[aaronng]

In a straight line, the extra power is cancelled out by the weight. In the corners, the LSD lets the DC5R accelerate earlier. So if it is for commuting, the DC5S is better. If you are going to track it, then the DC5R is better.

[souljah]

0.01sec difference tested in one of the mags not so long ago with the shoout between dc5s, dc5r and dc2r. in a straight line thats not much.. prolly depending on driver any of the cars can win.. but these cars arent made for quick straight line speed..

difference between dc5s and dc5r increased exhaust and bore stroke i think..most likely different ecu...but the dc5s is about 70kg heavier.

[NightKids]

This has been resolved in Speed Magazine already. The DC5S is a faster & more complete car..

[souljah]

This has been resolved in Speed Magazine already. The DC5S is a faster & more complete car..


again, thats arguable... on track the type R is faster with the lsd.. depends what u want though.. the dc5s is more of a cruiser with a sunroof ;) and the R is more of a sportier looking/type car... both are good/nice cars, just depends what you really want... some prefer the look of the S and some of the R...

[NightKids]

I'm presuming your comparing the DCR2 & the DC5S? Because the DC5R has nothing over the DC5S...

[souljah]

how so? theyre very similar cars, just the dc5s is more redefined for daily use.. more torque.. doesnt mean the type R is crap.. still a very good car, has recaros, lsd, wing... like i said.. depends what look and what car you really want.. some prefer recaros to the leather seats.. some prefer the dc5r wing..

out of curiosity what do you drive?

[aaronng]

After watching the vtec club update on the DC5R and the new 2005 DC5R, I think that our DC5S has the suspension geometry of the 2005 DC5R and could have the potential to handle better than the AUDM DC5R. If only the DC5S had an LSD....

[souljah]

7mm lower thats not much to go by though, still 4wd looking lol.. wondering though if the type S had an lsd, would it disrupt anything, balance or anything?

[Q_ball]

I'm presuming your comparing the DCR2 & the DC5S? Because the DC5R has nothing over the DC5S...
Are you sure you wanna stand by that comment?
It seems rather uneducated imo.

[matt]

I'm presuming your comparing the DCR2 & the DC5S? Because the DC5R has nothing over the DC5S...

have you driven any of these cars? cos it always seems to be people who havent driven the DC5R who say its crap just cos it's not the same as the JDM one.

Speed only compared DC5S and DC2R. it was Motor that did all 3

[cuongn]

wat issue number was the magazine

[cuongn]

no, im goin to get one of these cars, just want to no wat car is more perfect for me, and on hits performance

[matt]

it was december last year, it had a pic of yellow evo 9 on the front.

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32052&highlight=motor+magazine

this is the thread about the article.

[souljah]

no, im goin to get one of these cars, just want to no wat car is more perfect for me, and on hits performance

so what are you looking for in a car? i guess after the tests, it can be said that all 3 are great NA cars with very similar cornering and straight line speeds. So I guess whichever you like the look of best? lol.. try sitting in all 3 first though, u might find it more comfortable in a specific model. goodluck to ur car hunting:wave: