[Euro] spoon & eibach springs questions

[BusterSonic12]

hey all... thinking about lowering my euro with springs, and keep my oem shocks due to the fact "im a poor ass :eek: "

planning to get either spoon springs or eibach pro-kit, then once i get some cash, will load on some aftermarket shocks. but my questions, because i can't seem to find the info i need, please help me out, what's the spring rates for both springs? thanks thanks all :D

[destrukshn]

as i reckon most people would say, why don't you save for coil overs?
lol.
but yeah, i've heard eibach is good from the comments, they seem to be better than spoon, some people say spoon ones are too soft? eh who knows.
just telling you what i've heard.
though i have sat in a car riding on eicbachs, and it was a good ride, not too rough, quite smooth, and handling was improved quite a bit.
=)

[Chris_F]

I'd recommend the eibach springs aswell, there's been a lot of trial of these with members of the US forum and they all seem to love the ride quality. The thing is, you'll be looking at about 500 or so for the springs alone, and then decent aftermarket shocks will run you about 1000, which is getting very close to the price of coilovers, especially if you aren't installing them yourself (that's 2x the labour cost).

If you're willing to spend around 2000 straight up you can get yourself into some decent coilovers from TEIN (a bit more if you get the officially imported model through Fulcrum).

http://www.fulcrumsuspensions.com.au/tein_performance_suspension.html

I was also recently told by egSi (Trav, the owner of undergroundimports) that he'll be ordering in Ksport coilovers soon. From what i was told they are dual height adjustable coilovers with damping adjustment etc. meant to be well priced and of proven quality too - according to the website there is an application available for the CL9 aswell.

http://www.aandbmotorsports.com/Suspension.html

So keep an eye out, and don't rush into buying springs, it's still an ok option if you plan on getting aftermarket shocks like you said but when coilovers can be had for a similar overall cost they are by far a better option IMO

[aaronng]

I still maintain that Tein SS on the softest damper setting and a lowered ride height feels like a stock Euro. That would be the way to go if you are lowering more than 1.5". That's the limit before the stock shocks start to undergo accelerated wear (according to the TSX forums).

[Chris_F]

I still maintain that Tein SS on the softest damper setting and a lowered ride height feels like a stock Euro. That would be the way to go if you are lowering more than 1.5". That's the limit before the stock shocks start to undergo accelerated wear (according to the TSX forums).

^ yep it sure does, it rides just as good as stock on the softer settings but still lets the car handle a lot better.

[corn_flakes]

what are coilovers exactly?

:)


and bustersonic, just ask mummy and daddy for the money...;) they did buy u the euro after all...lol lucky butt!

[aaronng]

Coilovers are where the springs go around the shocks at the top. If you look under other cars, the springs are sometimes located at a different position from the shocks.

The Euro has coilovers stock, but they are not adjustable in both height and damper. When you lower your car by using lowered springs, the shock's travel length is reduced, so it can't absorb bumps at the ideal range. If you lower it too much, the shock keeps hitting against the bumpstops because there is not enough travel to absorb them. So after a while the shocks wear out and you have to replace them.

Coilovers have dampers that are height adjustable. So you can lower the bottom spring perch as well to maintain shock travel. So even when lowered a lot, shock travel is maintained, so bump absorbance is maintained and it doesn't hit the bumpstops.

Traditionally, coilovers came with insane spring rates for track racing, hence the perception that coilovers were too harsh for the street. Now coilovers come with more reasonable spring rates like for the Tein SS and Flex, so they are as comfortable as stock coilovers when on the softest damper setting. Tein is coming out with the Comfort Sport (or street, can't remember lol) for the CL9. Just an option if you want more comfort.

[Chris_F]

^ true but some coilovers like the tein ss, can only be lowered so much or you will start to reduce travel as well (just the spring perch is used to change the height).

if you're looking for a drop 2-2.5" + it'd be better to look at coilovers with true dual height adjustment so you can maintain ride quality and travel :thumbsup:

[stephen8512]

tein SS/tein flex is my recommendation

for approx the same price as the SS, u can obtain the eibach/koni setup as well and i've heard nothing but good things about this setup also.

Spoon springs ive heard on EG's are very stiff and makes the ride very firm and bumpy. You might wanna check out the EG/EK threads and search up there to get some feedback on the spoons

[Atjo]

If you wanna drop it around 2cm you better go with tein cause the lowest setting on tein is not that low anyway and it's soft. If you wanna drop it more like i did (>5cm) you can go with D2 coilover. I bought it for $1300 delivered. But it's a bit bumpy cause of the spring rate.

[BusterSonic12]

THANK YOU~!! i made up my mind... :D coilovers but now i have to wait at least 2months before i have the money :( i will look around for the coilovers :D thnaks

[Chris_F]

THANK YOU~!! i made up my mind... :D coilovers but now i have to wait at least 2months before i have the money :( i will look around for the coilovers :D thnaks

you made a good choice... should never rush into things as important as suspension. i think once you get the coilovers you'll be very happy that you did.

[stephen8512]

you made a good choice... should never rush into things as important as suspension. i think once you get the coilovers you'll be very happy that you did.

as i told you on MSN leon, do it proper the first time round. even if it does cost a bit extra.

[BusterSonic12]

thanks :D guys.

[free2d]

Mugen SS good choice?? Dont really want to adjust up n down, only stiffness. Is not that easy to set the height.

[BusterSonic12]

never heard anything from mugen :( TEIN !!! forever

[Chris_F]

mugen is a good suspension but it's expensive for what you get really.

Tein is quite good, but there are other options out there - they are a bit over rated - good, but nothing amazing when it comes to performance coilovers IMO (unless you're going for the high end models).

A brand like Zeal on the other hand is in a different league.

But for a street coilover for occasional spirited driving and maybe some track use TEIN is great :thumbsup:

[stephen8512]

Endless/Zeal is, like chris said, reaches another level in suspension quality.
Im happy with my teins and im sure chris is happy with his SS's. I'd say these 2 are ideal for daily driving functionability and for the occasional spirited run.

D2 coilovers aren't bad. A fellow ex pimp euro owner by the name of Pum[Z] had these on his euro and paid from memory just over 1.3K for them. He said he was happy with them but I think he said If he had the money he would have bought something like the teins.
And also, D2's AFAIK are made in taiwan. Teins, made in Japan. As are spoon and mugen SS. so you know ur getting top quality.

If you decide to go hardcore tracking on your euro, then ENDLESS/ZEAL would be probably optimum. Another ex euro owner by the name of baboo had these on his euro and he too tracked his car.

I always say that quality speaks for itself. As long as you stick to the saying "do it right the first time round", you shouldnt have any problems in picking out your suspension modification.

options include:

1) king super low or K-mac springs for lowering purposes only (not recommended, thats me personally)

2) eibach prokit springs with KONI yellow shocks (very nice setup)

3) spoon springs with KONI yellow shocks (unsure about this setup but spoon springs are known for their firmness)

4) Tein SS coilover (full replacement of the suspension components and are very durable)

5) D2 Coilovers (not bad, but for a few hundred extra, why not get the tein SS for piece of mind and the fact that its made in japan is another alluring point)

6) Mugen SS Coilovers (very $$$$$ but its from mugen, which would make any honda owner lie in their own pool of drool)

7) Tanable Sustec Coilovers (haven't heard much about these so I cant really comment as far as durability and quality is concerned)

8) Endless/ZEAL coilovers (probably THE best setup for track use. Even Endless/ZEAL brake rotors and calipers are in a league of their own and can compete, even surpass the braking power of brembo's so with these coilovers you DEF. know ur getting quality)

9) Buddyclub N+ coilovers (not entirely sure if a buddyclub coilover set is avail for euro, but if it is, I cannot comment. But have a look at the civic EG/EK thread as there may be info there)


So in conclusion, leon for your purposes of daily driving and street, i'd say Tein SS or the Eibach/Koni setup would be optimum and most bang for your buck. Possibly Tein Flex, but that would be as far as I would go if I were you. No point in buying Endless/ZEAL coilovers if its only gonna be used on the street. Waste of money and waste of good coilovers (since it wont be tracking and all :D)

[Gerald28]

i've just installed a set of BuddyClub N+ on my euro.

In my opinion, i'm very happy with what i bought.
Height adjustable and 15-stage dampening adjustment.

Its very soft on the softest setting (Close to stock), but once u dial in about half way, it really stiffens the car up, but not in an uncomfortable way. The car has really improved on cornering performance, and now i can attck corners with much higher confidence.

The price is about the same as TEIN SS. It retails at $2000, and u get a made in japan product.

Zeal has two types of coilovers for the euro. One is the less expensive Function X-s, which is mainly for street use. It is height and dampening adjustable. If i remembered correctly, it is a 6-stage dampening adjustment coilover. If i remembered correctly, it sells for about the $2500 mark.

The other one is the Function X, which is more of a track orientated setup, also height and dampening adjustable. This set is 30-stage dampening adjustable and is priced at about $3000 (i think)

I personally think TEINs, BuddyClubs are more than enough for street use.

And i would go with what the others said. Save up ur money and go with coilovers. You would be much happier with the end result.

[Chris_F]

some good posts guys :thumbsup:

[euro77]

For review on Tanabe on euro, go here: http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23013&highlight=tanabe
good luck with choosing the coilover

[BusterSonic12]

yaya THANKS heaps....:D:D:D
steve: thanks, i m thinking about the Tein, sounds nice, especially your one FLEX, not bad. give me a ride in it at the next meet :D:D no fully serious track for me, just street fun :P

Gerald: thanks too for your comments on the B.Clud coilovers. Can you tell me how much are they? also PS: got some Defi photos, but tomorrow friday meets, hopefully get a couple of more photos before i post my thead up, lastest tomorrow night... sorry to keep you waiting...

Guys... :( have to save 2-3months for the money :( but i can do it~!! for the euro :D:D:D:D yayaya
ps: don't know if it is the right thing to do, but i reckon those were useful so i put reputation pts for steve & gerald. thanks again ^^

[driven]

Other then the models mentioned, there're a few more options available.
just trying to give you more options, do some research before you make your purchase!
Would be good if you get a ride in someone's car that equipped with the coilovers rather than make your decision based on hear-say opinions as 1 man's meat is another man's poison.

can't recommend any of them as i have no experience with any of them, cept for having buddyclub racing spec on my own euro. Some suitable for street, some are best left for track use

in order of cheapest to most expensive.($2500 and above)
*within the brands, there're probably other models that differ by price,level of adjustability and spring rates.

Tein Mono flex
*1 model above the Tein Flex
*Tein coilovers(SS and Flex) on the euro have a tendency to squeak as they age.
http://www.tein.co.jp/img/mono_flex_products.jpg

Buddyclub racing spec
*1 model above the buddyclub N+
http://www.buddyclub.us/buddyclub/rsd/images/sp_1.jpg

Spoon
with choice of springs from 8kg/mm to 26kg/mm
*Spoon has a lower model with no adjustability
http://www.spoon.jp/jp/products/images/lineup/101_01.jpg


TODA fightex
*different models available
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1245&d=1125795098

ARAGOSTA
*standard model or comfort model
*popular in japan but not well known in Australia.
*Have sat in a cl7 equipped with these, very comfortable ride but track capabilities unknown
http://www.tpl.co.jp/Aragosta/comfort_photo.jpg

Moton
*most expensive of the lot!
*probably best suited for Track cars
http://www.kingmotorsports.com/images/products/moton_suspension_2.jpg

[BusterSonic12]

thanks driven... thanks EVERYbody, for helping me out, sure will do bit more research... :D i m never tracked before, and not planning to do it on the euro 24/7, mayb times to times when there's a ozhonda track day, so looking into the more for street use ones. Thanks alot. gave me more brands to search for :D thanks.