Integra Vti-R Problem - sometimes car woint turn on

[Vti-R_integra_1994]

Hi

latly iv been having problems starting my car and some other wierd problems.

most of the times or sometimes the car starts perfectly, but other times i have troubles.

Sometimes when it starts, the car struggles to keep it self on, and then the car just turns off by it self, in a struggling way. Its like its trying hard to remaiin on, but the engine dies out struglling. Even when it still on and you hit the gas a little bit, it revs, but the power you just start loosing power n then the car just turns off strugling, and when u do hit the gas, its like your pressing the gas on a go cart or something, seems very weak.


however sometimes, it doesnt start, and you just hear the clicking sound, which usually indicates that your battery is low, the "clicking sound".

sometimes this happends right after the first problem, after the engine dies down, i wait abit and then try to start again.

also when even these problems occure, if i wait about 5-10 minutes the car starts perfectly and everything works perfectly.

like if i keep trying to start and start over and over again, the wors the problem gets, but if i just leave it for couple of minutes it gets better and better and the signs look better in starting the car, but if i wait like 10 minutes its very lickly that it will start.


so has anyone had this problem before? or know what the problem is.


also here are some things that could be causing a problem.

cold air intake, which the pod is just connected straight to the standard air filter tube, no metal chrome pipe, just the pod connected to where the air filted box is connected.

I have a amp in the car some people say its bad for the battery.

and also i think the spark plugs, and the wires havnt been changed for a while, and dont know when they were changed last.

and also these problems started occuring not long after i connected the pod which works as a cold air in take.

however at this stage i'm positive that it is not a battery problem, even thou the battery is very old, and its way over due for a battery change. Because just last night, i went to a friends house to watch movies, and then when i went to go home, i disscovered that i had left the inside ligh on in the car, and it was still on when i got back, and the car started perfectly on the first time.

also ages ago a mechanic told me that if i put a cold air intake system on my car that i would have trouble starting the car in winter, which it is right now in australia, but i dont think that explains some of the other problems.

and also these problems only happen sometimes.

so anyone here has a clue?

also does anyone know how to check when the timing belt needs to be changed, because i bought the car when it had done 159,000km, but most proberly the km's were taken down on the car before i bought it.

aprriciate it if someone can

[czy_sol87]

firstly the car starts but strugles to stay on, sounds like it may be a fuel delivery problem, try running injector cleaner through it.
could be spark plugs and leads, when was the last time u serviced it?
if the battery is old best thing would be to change it, and having an amp doesnt really effect the battery, only if ur listening to music for a long time while the car is off, but if the engine is running, the altenator is constantly charging.
CAI effects how car starts?? dont think so, when the car is left over nite all around the car is cold or the same temp including the engine bay (if not colder than outside)
timing belt- have u got the cars serivice books cause it should be in there
or do an ecu check that might tell u if there is something wrong
heres the thread http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8218&highlight=ecu+check

[EG5[KRT]]

first id change your battery..

secondly id check ur distributor,leads and spark plugs.

3rd id check your injectors

then if all else fails take to honda for a computa check and that will narrow it down .. sometimes it mayb a faulty map sensor ..

[Spunkymonkey]

It does sound like your not getting enough fuel into the engine even though its priming....suggest you take to mechanic get them to check the fuel lines.

Doesn't sound like battery.

[bennjamin]

try the ECU test as mentioned above -
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...ight=ecu+check

Then look at your MAIN fuel relay - it might be damaged giving you these symptoms...its located under the drivesrs side of the dash.

[VTECACCORD]

I'm pretty sure its a fuel pump issue.

If it's still the original Id get it changed

[aznpsuazn]

I have my money on the dizzy itself on its way or the fuel pump on its way. Bets anyone?

[spardikis]

my guess is fuel related for sure - but on the other hand it sounds like it could be either - the throttle posistion sensor wire's are off or broken, or the other plug that conects to the throttle body is off or broken (cant remember what its called)

[GReY_CVC]

happened to my old DC2 - i highly think its a fuel problem as ... could be fuel pump ??? as i cleaned my injectors with the mechanic be4 n dint rreally fix that problem... although it was happening a lot less....

n wat i realise was that the car started way easier in when the engine is cold.. i have no idea y????...

[Vti-R_integra_1994]

thanks guys

but the thing is most of the times the car starts perfectly, since i restarted my computer it hasnt happened, only nearly once but it started, even thou it struggled a bit but it started.


i'm thinking if its a fuel pomp problem this would happen more often, as it would mean i wuld have to be lucky to get the car started, but i dont know.

do you guys know roughly how much a fuel injector will cost, or how much it costs to fix it, and also how much to clean the injectors?

[bennjamin]

i still think its the Main relay..have you check it ? It controls fuel and spark delivery- gets old and will give you the symptoms described

[RCS 20L]

Dont be tight arse and buy a new battery..... At least that cancels that out...... You said you had the clicking noise like when you have a flat.... i recommend you try that first.... When the battery doenst hold voltage, sensors dont work prperly, injectors and fuel pum p dont work properly.... Thats my 2c!!!!

[Vti-R_integra_1994]

its not about bieng a tight ass, i just dont wanna keep buying parts, and then finding out that iisnt the problem, you know and end up re changing the whole engine bit by bit t ofind out what the problem is thats all

[destrukshn]

i've got a simliar problem.
well it's happened to me twice, first time, was cold start, sruggling to stay on, then after avout 3 secs, it was normal.
2nd time was this morning, struggled to stay on, then died, tried starting it a few times, keeps on cranking, then sometimes wants to turn on..but doesn't then finally turned on after 5 go's, struggled a bit, then turned on, like normal.

tried retstarting it later on in the day, and starts up fine.
eh who knows.
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[Chronos]

Distributor.

[gumbel]

probably something to do with damaged immobilizer... do you have it?

[Xceller8r]

Its the main relay. Had similar problem to the one that u described. my bros da9 wud sometimes fire up and then just dies. sometimes it wuddin fire at all till u wait for like 5 min then it'd fire and remain trouble free for the rest of the day or that whole week then we'd be back at square one same problem the next wk. we thought it was the dizzy coil overheatin after a good thrashin but this was not the case. one day got a call from him sayin he was stranded in Geelong car wuddin start, well he said it was like all the other times fires up then dies but this time no matter wat he did or how long he waited it just wuddin start. we suspected main relay as he said he cuddin hear that "click" so i drove all the way down wit tools and a spare relay id borrowed off a lude . Slaped it in and it fired up first go and its been sweet ever since. just as an experiment we pluged his old relay into da lude and yep same thing it wuddin start. so yeh id say main relay

[Vti-R_integra_1994]

i've got a simliar problem.
well it's happened to me twice, first time, was cold start, sruggling to stay on, then after avout 3 secs, it was normal.
2nd time was this morning, struggled to stay on, then died, tried starting it a few times, keeps on cranking, then sometimes wants to turn on..but doesn't then finally turned on after 5 go's, struggled a bit, then turned on, like normal.

tried retstarting it later on in the day, and starts up fine.
eh who knows.
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yes thats exactly like mine


yes i have a immobiliser, but i dont think its damaged, not tha ti know off anyway

[dimsum]

i had this problem couple of days ago.
took it to hanny's and they replaced something in the distributer.

[Mystic_Integra]

yeah, im havin problems starting my da9 now:(
got told by m8te is was my alternator going and wasnt charging my battery..
but i got my battery checkd out by a auto elec. and its fine..so its not that, mechanic recons its the starter-motor, and its dying on me

pretty much every day, for the first time i turn the car in the day, it just turns ova witout evan a click? lik not evan tryin 2 start:( but for the rest of the day it would start fine! all i do 2 fix the problem is push abit of throttle/gas pedal..and yeah its on..lol:p

so any1 had problems lik this?:wave:

wat is it then?:confused:

starter-motor
alternator
main fuel relay

wat else could b the problem?:confused:

[Mystic_Integra]

yeah, im havin problems starting my da9 now:(
got told by m8te is was my alternator going and wasnt charging my battery..
but i got my battery checkd out by a auto elec. and its fine..so its not that, mechanic recons its the starter-motor, and its dying on me

pretty much every day, for the first time i turn the car in the day, it just turns ova witout evan a click? lik not evan tryin 2 start:( but for the rest of the day it would start fine! all i do 2 fix the problem is push abit of throttle/gas pedal..and yeah its on..lol:p

so any1 had problems lik this?:wave:

wat is it then?:confused:

starter-motor
alternator
main fuel relay(not MFR)i hear it click on an off :)

wat else could b the problem?:confused:

i was readin on another thread here it said this..:wave:
"Sounds like main fuel relay, can't believe it hasn't been mentioned already.

When you stall, turn the key back to ACC, then back to ON. You should hear the MFR click ON for a few seconds, then click again OFF (the second click will be in time with you CEL (check engine like) going off. If it doesn't, it's the problem. Make sure you wait for this time before trying to start it so you can tell if the MFR is the problem or not.":eek:

in my car i do here MFR click on then click off after a few seconds..so i think that rules out that.

another thing..wer abouts is the fuel pump for the da9? an is there a way to check if its ok,lik through ecu or sumthin?

[CRXer]

Just because the relay is clickin,it doesnt mean its goin to do it reliably or mean its goin to hold when in operation.

It has to reengage the fuel pump relay when you crank the car & u prob wont hear this click cos the engine is cranking.

ECU wont read the fuel pump for problems directly,but will give a fuel system problem code,which could mean its anything in the fuel delivery system not necessarily the fuel pump.

[Mystic_Integra]

any other tips?