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Waggy
30-07-2006, 11:23 PM
After much research, back and forth etc etc.... I have come up that the GT28RS "Disco Potato" with a T3 housing is the best turbo for my B16A2 EM1.

My problem is - I don't know what A/R to get - and I cannot find anyone in Australia that sells this turbo with a T3 flange...

Can anyone help?
grncvc
31-07-2006, 12:19 AM
A.R /61 i recommend. less lag..
either go to Nissansilvia.com or skylinesaustralia.com
and contact some of the sponsors onthe site for custom built turbos to ur need
jimmeh
31-07-2006, 08:08 AM
i can get your a 28RS with the t3 flange....pm me
Waggy
31-07-2006, 09:42 AM
Well I should have said T3 **HOUSING** actually...

My goals are to obtain about 230-250fwkw - will the .63 A/R allow me to reach this?

I intend to run CP/Wiseco 9.0 CR pistons, Eagle Rods etc.... so boosting it will be no worries.
Waggy
01-08-2006, 03:34 PM
90 views and no more input?
jimmeh
02-08-2006, 12:54 PM
u need about 10.5CR
9CR is too loo. super R has 11CR in his turbo and his car goes really good.
Trust-Me
02-08-2006, 10:56 PM
yeah the garrett gt28rs with the t3 exhaust housing is one of the best turbo for b16 and b18....it spools real early and hits full boost just under 3k rpm. really responsive on the streets!!! trust me i know this from a fact.
go for the .82 a/r so u wont drop off at towards top end.

give this guy a msg, ive had great dealing with him. his name is Mark, hes a great person to deal with and will give u real answers.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/GARRETT-BB-TURBO-GT-RS-GT2871R-SR20-CA18-HKS_W0QQitemZ4605471974QQcategoryZ43808QQcmdZViewI tem

and good luck with the turbo dude, and let us know how u good.

cheers
Waggy
03-08-2006, 02:33 PM
^^ Thank you !!! You found me a great dealer!! + rep points for you!!
Waggy
03-08-2006, 09:14 PM
Anyone know what sort of wastegate spring I should use for a Tial 44mm gate with this turbo?
Trust-Me
03-08-2006, 10:05 PM
unless ur planning to build ur block the 44mm will be too large for u, i say go for the 38mm
as for the wastegate spring, that depends if ur running a boost controller or not. if ur running a boost controller, get a low spring rate so u can wind the boost up from that WG spring. other wise choose a WG spring to wat boost psi u want to run for everyday.
superR
03-08-2006, 11:03 PM
lol it hits full boost at about 3800 actually ;) lol
good turbo, very underestimated....wouldnt worrie too much about the T3 housing...it is just a way of americanising it ....lol

james
Waggy
04-08-2006, 07:58 AM
Yeah - getting forgies for the bottom end. Trying to replicate a Full-Race kit without the price. T3 housing is required for me to fit a Full-Race "Ram-Horn" manifold to it.

Still unsure of a 9.0 or 9.5 comp ratio for the pistons though...

Thanks for the help guys - this is a good discussion.
EGB18CT
04-08-2006, 12:10 PM
go with what jimmeh said.... the higher 10.5comp... hi comp hi boost!
saxman
04-08-2006, 04:51 PM
if you have a very good tuner, then hi comp boost all the way
yourfather
04-08-2006, 05:08 PM
Full Boost @ 3,800 = ??? psi?

Can you get housings that will suit a HKS B series cast Manifold?
saxman
04-08-2006, 07:46 PM
Full Boost @ 3,800 = ??? psi?

Can you get housings that will suit a HKS B series cast Manifold?
what turbo is the hks cast manifold flanged for?
jimmeh
04-08-2006, 08:04 PM
edit:

hks mani comes with the t28 flange
saxman
05-08-2006, 07:02 AM
the gt28rs is available with a t25 style exhaust housing
Waggy
05-08-2006, 10:30 AM
^^ does HKS make a log style manifold for the B16??

I'm looking for a log style manifold (now the I found out the F-R one is gunna cost me in excess of $1500) which has the exhaust flange in the centre of all 4 cylinders...

AVO?
yourfather
05-08-2006, 10:54 AM
Waggy, both GReddy or HKS make log style manifolds. The HKS manifold is a b series one. It should fit B16A or B18C. I don't think the Full-Race manifold is going to be 1500 dollars.


When are you looking at buying ??
yourfather
05-08-2006, 10:56 AM
what turbo is the hks cast manifold flanged for?

It is an HKS turbo, T25G 60T A/R0.64.
Waggy
05-08-2006, 11:06 AM
Well the Full-Race manifold is $1200US, plus shipping, plus customs. You do the math.

I think the Greddy one is actually the B series one as I could only find a D series HKS one.
saxman
05-08-2006, 07:18 PM
greddy does a b and d manifold... hks does a b one, but it's questionable quality.

head over to honda-tech.com and look in the forced induction classifieds... you shouldn't have any problem finding a quality log manifold that places the turbo directly in the middle of the manifold... I'd take one of those over the hks or greddy manifold any day of the week.

the full race manifold will probably be 1500, but it's a FAR cry from a log manifold. Not really comparable.
yourfather
06-08-2006, 03:15 PM
Well the Full-Race manifold is $1200US, plus shipping, plus customs. You do the math.

I think the Greddy one is actually the B series one as I could only find a D series HKS one.
yeah you're right then. It's probably a bit more than 1,500 australian, because you gotta pay for shipping, insurance, customs brokerage, GST, import duty.... all on Aus $$ value, not US.

farq...

There's gotta be some way to do it so we arent using shitty manifolds, yet arent paying like 2K.. I understand your points about Full-Race and log manifolds being completely different. I do.

I suppose if I bought one and it would be the only one I'd need ever, it'd make me feel more comfortable about the purchase.
saxman
06-08-2006, 03:44 PM
there are plenty of quality ram horn manifolds available for a lot less than the price of a full race manifold
yourfather
06-08-2006, 03:56 PM
would you mind spoon feeding us, and posting some links to ones you think work well??

I think Waggy might be interested, as well as me.
saxman
06-08-2006, 05:33 PM
www.phoenixturbo.com sells the peakboost manifolds... check out the "ftw ramhorn" manifold at $599

www.spoolinperformance.com sells a large variety of different manifold styles. Everything from logs to a ramhorn manifold at $650

http://www.rld-fab.com/ sells a ramhorn at $635... can't say I've ever heard anything about them... looks to be decent quality though
superR
06-08-2006, 08:24 PM
HKS definitly make one for the B series...i was goign to buy one for $200USD
saxman
06-08-2006, 08:59 PM
they're horrible quality unfortuantely... I know a guy in the uk that bought one, and it doesn't even fit the block well... holes have to be elongated, there isn't clearance for the oil dip stick, etc. He's ending up getting rid of it just because it was so difficult to try to make it work.
Trust-Me
06-08-2006, 09:47 PM
http://www.rld-fab.com/ sells a ramhorn at $635... can't say I've ever heard anything about them... looks to be decent quality though

RLD ramhorn manifold rocks....i have one of those and would recommend them. The guy is very helpful aswell and keeps his promises for his timeframe, unlike some of the others.
yourfather
06-08-2006, 10:53 PM
they're horrible quality unfortuantely... I know a guy in the uk that bought one, and it doesn't even fit the block well... holes have to be elongated, there isn't clearance for the oil dip stick, etc. He's ending up getting rid of it just because it was so difficult to try to make it work.

I thought that the product quality of HKS was really good???

How can that be so? You would think that a company like HKS that sells multinationally must have some good turbo manifolds. It's their bread an butter.
saxman
07-08-2006, 06:31 AM
don't know, just relaying the experience a good friend has had with their manifolds.

SSautochrome sells multinationally, and probably WAY more turbo stuff for hondas than hks does, and their quality is absolute shit... unfortunately selling a lot of products doesn't mean it's a good product.
Waggy
07-08-2006, 08:01 AM
I was looking at an A/C Compatible ram horn at LSD motorsports - $900US delivered to my door. That's a pretty good price I reckon...

Anyone heard anything about them? They have a lifetime guarantee and people all over Honda-Tech are using them. Stainless steel and TIG Welded... look very nice!
Waggy
07-08-2006, 08:02 AM
These are the ones I'm crappin' on about:

https://www163.safesecureweb.com/lsdmotor/ProductManifolds.aspx?c=br
yourfather
07-08-2006, 11:14 AM
don't know, just relaying the experience a good friend has had with their manifolds.

SSautochrome sells multinationally, and probably WAY more turbo stuff for hondas than hks does, and their quality is absolute shit... unfortunately selling a lot of products doesn't mean it's a good product.
yeah but, you are comparing cheap $hit SS AutoChrome to HKS, that certainly isnt cheap.

YOu pay less for a turbo kit from SS AutoChrome than a Turbo from HKS - granted, HKS doesnt make their turbos. but you know what I mean.

And any feedback about the LSD manifolds?
Waggy
07-08-2006, 12:59 PM
^You looking to turbo your DC2 mate? If you do we should meet halfway on the East Coast and do a photoshoot lol

H-T seems to have a lot of good feedback on the LSD manifolds - however if one of the Americans on here could shed a bit of light it would be appreciated.
saxman
07-08-2006, 01:07 PM
can't say i've heard anything about the lsd manifolds other than what's been said on hondatech... certainly haven't heard anything bad, and they look like decent quality to me.


point about ssac is that having a large international distribution doesn't guarantee any sort of quality.
yourfather
07-08-2006, 01:09 PM
^You looking to turbo your DC2 mate? If you do we should meet halfway on the East Coast and do a photoshoot lol

H-T seems to have a lot of good feedback on the LSD manifolds - however if one of the Americans on here could shed a bit of light it would be appreciated.

yeah we should meet in Sydney and go to one of their FOB meets.
superR
07-08-2006, 08:51 PM
i gto an LSD turbular log manifold A/C compatable...i was happy with it but i opened / fixed up the collector a little bit and after that i was very happy with it...another problem i had was it took bloody 4 weeks to get to me when i paid for 1 week shipping.... other then that good quality stainless and also fantastic welds. so LSD is a good product and i recoment it.

james
jimmeh
07-08-2006, 09:50 PM
yeh lsd manifold are good. id get them.
Waggy
07-08-2006, 10:15 PM
LSD Manifolds look the goods to me. Ordering mine next week.

Mating this to a T3 .82 GT28RS, 44mm wastegate, 3" dump and exhaust. :)

Should be good for 300-350whp - I can't wait!
yourfather
07-08-2006, 11:13 PM
LSD Manifolds look the goods to me. Ordering mine next week.

Mating this to a T3 .82 GT28RS, 44mm wastegate, 3" dump and exhaust. :)

Should be good for 300-350whp - I can't wait!

cant wait to see how you go my friend :D
Waggy
08-08-2006, 06:43 PM
I'm aiming to have all of this done and dusted in about 9-12 months.... so it will take me a while but I'll get there. :)
Limo
26-09-2006, 04:24 AM
yeh good choice on the turbo.. was initally gona get that turbo.. but didnt suit my manifold, so i got a custom one made up.

also have the full race manifold with A/C.. they are pricy..but worth it i nthe long run.amazing quality and weighs a tone.. cost me AU$2100 shipped for the full race manifold and a 44mm tial wastgate.

ill have it all on the road this week.. so ill let you know how it goes.