Replacement Tyre Suggestions

[falco]

I have now done 70000ks on my 03 Euro and its time for new tyres on the back. The Original Dunlops (3050 ???) lasted 50000ks and I put two Dunlop Direzza on the Front & 2 Yokohama V550 on the back.
The Yokohamas have worn out in 20000k of highway driving ( allways on the back) and the Direzzas on the front are still good.
Obviously the Yokohamas are total rubish so I was just wondering what other people would suggest for a good all round tyre.
I see a few people here mention Yokohama C drive. I would be reluctant to buy Yokohamas again after my experience with the V550's

[curik]

semi-slicks! jk. Here is a really good source of tyres. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/index.jsp how about dunlop SP sport maxx?

[falco]

That link is interesting; shows most Yokohamas as being poor for tread wear which is something I didnt know. Dunlops look to be pretty good for tread wear. Obviously there is a fine line between performance and tread wear but surely you can have both.

[Spec83]

Yoko's have always been very soft and poor wearing tyre in my experiance... they smoke up good thou :D

The Brigestones that come stocker on the euro lux arn't too bad but i will be looking to a set of dunlops if i keep the current size wheels!!!

[euro77]

pirelli dragon (?) seems to be good performing, with high treadwear rate. EuroAccord13 got it and he said it's good. Treadwear better than my goodyear eagle f1 gs-d3.

of course this depends on your budget and car use.

[EuroDude]

Yep the Yoko C-Drives are awesome :thumbsup:

Out of the ten or so tyres i've had on my Civic+Euro, the Dunlop Formula's and C-Drives are at the top.

And the Dunlop SP2050's and Dunlop LeMans, are at the bottom.

[falco]

I cant see Dunlop Formulas on the Dunlop internet sight, are they a discontinued model ???

[EuroDude]

Yes they are discontinued. I'm not sure which model replaced them

[yfin]

Please look at this thread

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409&highlight=tyre+recommendation

[falco]

I have ordered the Pirelli Dragons and will report back after 10000k :wave:

[EuroAccord13]

I have ordered the Pirelli Dragons and will report back after 10000k :wave:

I have Pirelli Dragons, done almost 20000kms, been to 2 Drag meets and still looking good, Good wear rate (350/400)... I think my review is on the tyre thread recommendation guide or in one reply I made to a thread...

[yfin]

I have Pirelli Dragons, done almost 20000kms, been to 2 Drag meets and still looking good, Good wear rate (350/400)... I think my review is on the tyre thread recommendation guide or in one of my replysto a thread...

Wow - still good tread after 20k? Not bad.

Remember those Falken 512s I used to have? They were nackered after 25k. The new Dunlops I have are much better wearing.

[ZEi20T]

have you all checked the treadwear rating of a tyre?

its almost always written on the outside wall of the tyre, the yokos i used my my S15 were 280, the euro has some hankook crap and they are 380. obviously the lower the number the less time they will last but i bet they grip better being a softer compound.

Just because they wear out faster doesnt mean they are crap tyres

[DreadAngel]

The C Drives are by far one of the best in comfort, performance, I'm not sure of lifespan, have to ask someone else about that

[ZEi20T]

the C-Drives are good, but for ~$20 more a tyre you can get the S1-Z (i think they are a V100) the C drives are a 'family car' tyre where the S1-Z is a 'sports' tyre. better grip IMO for a little more money. Tyres and brakes are something i DONT skimp on. If you cant afford decent rubber, you should have bought a cheaper car thats cheaper to maintain

[tony1234]

I have now done 70000ks on my 03 Euro and its time for new tyres on the back. The Original Dunlops (3050 ???) lasted 50000ks and I put two Dunlop Direzza on the Front & 2 Yokohama V550 on the back.
The Yokohamas have worn out in 20000k of highway driving ( allways on the back) and the Direzzas on the front are still good.
Obviously the Yokohamas are total rubish so I was just wondering what other people would suggest for a good all round tyre.
I see a few people here mention Yokohama C drive. I would be reluctant to buy Yokohamas again after my experience with the V550's
Try Continental conti sport Contact 2(not cheap)but good all round tyre.I've got them on my 06 Euro lux. man.:thumbsup:

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Try Continental conti sport Contact 2(not cheap)but good all round tyre.I've got them on my 06 Euro lux. man.:thumbsup:


How much are they in Australia (Melb)? Mom's car got them (OEM) and they're so quiet compared to the stock SP Sport 2050M.

Thanks.

[tony1234]

How much are they in Australia (Melb)? Mom's car got them (OEM) and they're so quiet compared to the stock SP Sport 2050M.

Thanks.
I think they're approx.$360 each.but phone around,you'd be surprised how prices vary:wave:

[MiSloVic]

Try Continental conti sport Contact 2(not cheap)but good all round tyre.I've got them on my 06 Euro lux. man.:thumbsup:
actually, i find the CSC2 slippery on wet roads, and skids too easily on wet multi-story carparks.

[MiSloVic]

anyone using 235/45R17 on their 17" wheels? this size is for falcon/commodore, and is slightly bigger, but they are cheaper than 225/45 tyres for the euro

[tony1234]

anyone using 235/45R17 on their 17" wheels? this size is for falcon/commodore, and is slightly bigger, but they are cheaper than 225/45 tyres for the euro
I think it might alter the rolling diameter (put speedo out!).Not sure,would be worthwhile checking out.Most tyre outlets would be able to tell you.:cool:

[yfin]

anyone using 235/45R17 on their 17" wheels? this size is for falcon/commodore, and is slightly bigger, but they are cheaper than 225/45 tyres for the euro
Yes I have these on 7.5' rim - but probably best you don´t run these on a 7" OEM rim. They are oversize for 7".

Because 235-45-17 is such a common size for Commodore and Falcon - you are right they are significantly cheaper than the same tyre in 225-45-17. In my case it was $100 cheaper for the set for the same tyres. Stupid but true. :)

[tony1234]

I think it might alter the rolling diameter (put speedo out!).Not sure,would be worthwhile checking out.Most tyre outlets would be able to tell you.:cool:
After i saw this post i got curious and rang a Bob Jane store and the guy i spoke to said no probs.said he'd sold a few sets to guys with std. rims!!!:confused:

[yfin]

After i saw this post i got curious and rang a Bob Jane store and the guy i spoke to said no probs.said he'd sold a few sets to guys with std. rims!!!:confused:

No problems hey? The speedo is not the issue. Did you ask him if he knows the recommended rim size for a 235-45-17 tyre? Optimum is 7.5 or 8 inch. Some tyre manufacturers quote 7.5 as the minimum size. If you fit the 235 on a narrow rim it will balloon the rim allowing the tyre to distort excessively sideways when cornering. So if you want worse handling fit a 235-45-17 on a 7 inch rim.

[tony1234]

No problems hey? Did you ask him if he knows the recommended rim size for a 235-45-17 tyre? Optimum is 7.5 or 8 inch. If you fit the 235 on a narrow rim it will balloon the rim allowing the tyre to distort excessively sideways when cornering. So if you want worse handling fit a 235-45-17 on a 7 inch rim.
He said no probs. on std. 17in. rim.Also said handling would be a bit better?I don't need any tyres so i didn't take it any further.He said same rolling diameter as 225/45!!!Only 10mm wider!!!beats me.:confused:

[yfin]

He said no probs. on std. 17in. rim.Also said handling would be a bit better?I don't need any tyres so i didn't take it any further.He said same rolling diameter as 225/45!!!Only 10mm wider!!!beats me.:confused:

Well he doesnt know what he is talking about. It is not the same rolling diameter. I have tried both 225-45 and 235-45 and if you place the tyres side by side it is obvious how much bigger the 235 is in diameter.

http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp

[tony1234]

Well he doesnt know what he is talking about. It is not the same rolling diameter. I have tried both 225-45 and 235-45 and if you place the tyres side by side it is obvious how much bigger the 235 is in diameter.

http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp
Don't know.That's what he told me.Like i said i just ph. a tyre dealer to satisfy my curiosity.:confused:

[mastcell]

From the link yfin suggested, comparing 205/55R16 to 225/45R17 and 235/45R17 reveals the following:

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It is my understanding that no more than 2% variation in rolling circumference is allowed. That being the case you can legitimately fit 235/45R17. However, you may stuff up the ABS and VSA if you use tyre size other than the one specified by Honda. The other apect as yfin has mentioned is that the standard rim may not be wide enough to fit the 235s.

This is a good source of general tyre information: http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html

[tony1234]

From the link yfin suggested, comparing 205/55R16 to 225/45R17 and 235/45R17 reveals the following:

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It is my understanding that no more than 2% variation in rolling circumference is allowed. That being the case you can legitimately fit 235/45R17. However, you may stuff up the ABS and VSA if you use tyre size other than the one specified by Honda. The other apect as yfin has mentioned is that the standard rim may not be wide enough to fit the 235s.

This is a good source of general tyre information: http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html
Int. info.I can't see how the ABS +VSA would be affected!Someone here may know more on this.I'd be int. to know.Std.17in.rim should be OK.(tyre is only 10mm wider).Again,does anyone know more on this?Personally,i'd stick with the 225/45 tyres,10mm extra tread width on the road is not much at all!!!:cool:

[yfin]

Int. info.I can't see how the ABS +VSA would be affected!Someone here may know more on this.I'd be int. to know.Std.17in.rim should be OK.(tyre is only 10mm wider).Again,does anyone know more on this?Personally,i'd stick with the 225/45 tyres,10mm extra tread width on the road is not much at all!!!:cool:

ABS and VSA works fine. 7" is the wrong size for 235-45-17 take a look at the Michelin website. They have a list of minimum, optimum and maximum sizes for different tyres.

http://www.michelin.com.au/tyres/passengerCar_pilotPreceda.asp

What does it say in the minimum width column for 235-45-17? It says 7.5".

You can find some tyre makes in this size that have min width of 7´but as stated it is going to balloon significantly at the cost of performance. 235-45-17 is huge compared to 225-45-17, go to a tyre shop and take a look at them side by side. Seeing is believing, it is not just width!

[tony1234]

ABS and VSA works fine. If you dont want to take my advice that 7" is the wrong size for 235-45-17 take a look at the Michelin website. They have a list of minimum, optimum and maximum sizes for different tyres.

http://www.michelin.com.au/tyres/passengerCar_pilotPreceda.asp

What does it say in the minimum width column for 235-45-17? It says 7.5".

You can find some tyre makes in this size that have min width of 7´but as stated it is going to balloon significantly at the cost of performance. 235-45-17 is huge compared to 225-45-17, go to a tyre shop and take a look at them side by side. Seeing is believing, it is not just width!
I'm going to stick with 225/45 tyres when i need to replace mine.I'm not int. in taking any chances for the sake of an extra 10mm tyre contact with the road.

[aaronng]

To fit 235/45 R17, you need 8 to 9.5" wide rims. The aspect ratio of the tyre require that, otherwise the tyre would distort when you corner. You need such wide rims because of the thin tyre. If you used 235/50 R17 instead, you would need 6.5 to 8" rims.

[yfin]

To fit 235/45 R17, you need 8 to 9.5" wide rims. The aspect ratio of the tyre require that, otherwise the tyre would distort when you corner. You need such wide rims because of the thin tyre. If you used 235/50 R17 instead, you would need 6.5 to 8" rims.

Aaron - many tyre manufacturers quote 7.5´ as either a minimum or optimum size. That is why I fit them.

[aaronng]

Aaron - many tyre manufacturers quote 7.5´ as either a minimum or optimum size. That is why I fit them.
Have you experienced any problems yet? Most rim width calculators ask for 8" as the minimum. It could be that they put in that extra 0.5" margin of safety to avoid the case of someone following their advice and running into problems.

[tony1234]

Have you experienced any problems yet? Most rim width calculators ask for 8" as the minimum. It could be that they put in that extra 0.5" margin of safety to avoid the case of someone following their advice and running into problems.
They probably do.

[yfin]

Have you experienced any problems yet? Most rim width calculators ask for 8" as the minimum. It could be that they put in that extra 0.5" margin of safety to avoid the case of someone following their advice and running into problems.

Nope - no problems at all. It does balloon more than a 225 but that extra rim protection is fantastic compared to my old 225s. As for handling - I cant see much difference even around hard corners but it is definately a softer ride.

I dont know why a tyre calculator would show 8´´ min - when Michelin, Falken and Bridgestone websites say 7.5.

[Chris_F]

Iin the past I'd read it was 8" wide minimum for a 235, but as yfin pointed out others and himself included have fitted 235 to a 7.5" rim and it has been fine.

My next set of tyres I'm considering running a 235, but I'll have to check how much wider and taller they are because with my rim width and offset Im a bit worried it might give me some rubbing issues. Hopefulyl not... running a wider tyre was part of the reason i bought the 8" wide rim. But i guess the 225 tyre is going to be firmly attached with no balooning.

[yfin]

My next set of tyres I'm considering running a 235, but I'll have to check how much wider and taller they are because with my rim width and offset Im a bit worried it might give me some rubbing issues. Hopefulyl not... running a wider tyre was part of the reason i bought the 8" wide rim. But i guess the 225 tyre is going to be firmly attached with no balooning.

Tough one Chris as your car looks pretty low from the photos I have seen. With the 235 I am flush with the front guard so you are going to stick out at the front. If it is very low it will touch the guard. On the track I imagine you are going to run your coilovers at maximum stiffness - so it may not rub at all. On the street you may need to raise it a fraction.

As for filling out the wheel arch - it definately does and is quite noticeable - about 1cm more diametre compared to 225.

I can assure you the handling will be fine - if I have no problems with 7.5 - so 8 inch will be perfect.

The main downside is the increase in tyre weight given the additional rubber so the car is a fraction slower in acceleration.

[Chris_F]

Tough one Chris as your car looks pretty low from the photos I have seen. With the 235 I am flush with the front guard so you are going to stick out at the front. If it is very low it will touch the guard. On the track I imagine you are going to run your coilovers at maximum stiffness - so it may not rub at all. On the street you may need to raise it a fraction.

As for filling out the wheel arch - it definately does and is quite noticeable - about 1cm more diametre compared to 225.

I can assure you the handling will be fine - if I have no problems with 7.5 - so 8 inch will be perfect.

The main downside is the increase in tyre weight given the additional rubber so the car is a fraction slower in acceleration.
Hmm, atm I'm very close to the tein recommended drop of 2" front and 1.6" rear (50mm / 40mm). But yea I agree, I think the tyre would begin to protrude slightly at the front with the 235 and also because it fills out the wheel arches more I might start rubbing. I only recently got new tyres so I got at a least a year before this becomes a problem - by then I'll hopefully have a front camber kit, -1.5 or maybe -2 degrees camber at the front would help with the rubbing.

this is some information about vwong's TSX than I'm using as a guide.

he has

- Volk Racing GT-7 wheels (chrome silver) - 19x8 +40mm offset
- Falken GR-Beta FK-451 max performance tires - 235/35ZR19

2.25" drop all round (slightly lower than me)

his tyres are at the very limit of the fender, but with a slight negative camber at the front and a relocation of the wheel lining i believe he eliminated rubbing completely. And I think 19x8" with a 35 profile 235 would be filling up the guards more than my 17's?

I'm considering dropping the car another 10mm aswell :p

but more on topic.... my advan sport v103 tyres in 225/45 R17 provide a butload of grip, there might not be much point in going to a larger 235 tyre.

a euroR only runs 215/45

edit: just read that vwong rolled his fenders and flared the wheel arches a bit to eliminate rubbing. bit of an extreme measure... it might be possible to shave off the inner lip of the fender instead.

My current height is fine anyway, might just give the extra 10mm a miss

[yfin]

fyi Chris - found this pic of mine

You can see both how it is flush with front guard and also how the 235 tyre sits on the 7.5" rim.

The ballooning is pretty minor (this is how it should look IMO)- and yours will be more stretched on 8". 225 on the 7.5" was a bit too streched for my liking and it was too easy to scrape the rim. I should have got 235 first time round.

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/500/620DSC01836.jpg

http://www.ozhonda.com/gallery/data/508/620ozhonda5.jpg

[Ferrarista]

Hey guys

Im looking at getting 225/40ZR18's for my Euro and have some questions.

Firstly, anyone recomed anything they they have liked in this size? Im thinking G3's or F1's

I do alot of driving (55,000kms in 2 years) so im after something that will wear good, my current Faulkens Fk451's lasted 13,000kms and was hoping to get something better.

Im not a street racer so performance isnt my main criteria but i do like to throw the car around a corner sometimes and am big on wet weather performace because my faulkens really suck at that. Also, i dont know if its because of the tyres or not but my traction control is forever kicking in around a corner.

Also, im looking at only replacing the fronts because my 2 rear tyres still have plenty of grip. Problem is, ive got abit of camber where obviously the inside has worn more than the outside, if i put these rears on the front would that be dangerous? Or would it cancel itself out and start wearing evenly again?>


Thanks for your help, im a absoult n00b here.

[yfin]

Hey guys

Im looking at getting 225/40ZR18's for my Euro and have some questions.

Firstly, anyone recomed anything they they have liked in this size? Im thinking G3's or F1's

I do alot of driving (55,000kms in 2 years) so im after something that will wear good, my current Faulkens Fk451's lasted 13,000kms and was hoping to get something better.

Im not a street racer so performance isnt my main criteria but i do like to throw the car around a corner sometimes and am big on wet weather performace because my faulkens really suck at that. Also, i dont know if its because of the tyres or not but my traction control is forever kicking in around a corner.

Also, im looking at only replacing the fronts because my 2 rear tyres still have plenty of grip. Problem is, ive got abit of camber where obviously the inside has worn more than the outside, if i put these rears on the front would that be dangerous? Or would it cancel itself out and start wearing evenly again?>

Thanks for your help, im a absoult n00b here.

I've plugged these many times - the Dunlop 3000As are excellent value! If you look at the Ford and Holden forums (they are fitted factory on XR range - or at least they used to be) - they are well worth the money. Most of them are getting 40,000-50,000kms out of them which I would be very happy with.

Re the Falkens - I made the same mistake of going for them too on the Euro. Never again. They were quite good in the wet for about 15,000kms - then it was just terrible. And to think those Falkens cost me more than the 3000As.

If your tyres wore in 13,000 it sounds like an alignment problem rather than a tyre problem. Have you had that checked out - or is your car dumped without a camber kit?

Speak to a tyre shop about those uneven wearing tyres - they need to be looked at. They could be unroadworthy even if there looks like there is plenty of grip (ie you need roadworthy tread across the entire width).

[Ferrarista]

The Dunlop 3000As are excellent value! If you look at the Ford and Holden forums (they are fitted factory on XR range - or at least they used to be) - they are well worth the money. Most of them are getting 40,000-50,000kms out of them which I would be very happy with.

Re the Falkens - I made the same mistake of going for them too on the Euro. Never again. They were quite good in the wet for about 6 months - then it was just terrible. And to think those Falkens cost me more than the 3000As.

If your tyres wore in 13,000 it sounds like an alignment problem rather than a tyre problem. Have you had that checked out - or is your car dumped without a camber kit?

Speak to a tyre shop about those uneven wearing tyres - they need to be looked at. They could be unroadworthy even if there looks like there is plenty of grip (ie you need roadworthy tread across the entire width).

Thanks, i'll look into the Dunlops

Yeah the car is dumped but there is hardly any camber on the fronts and thats the tyres that wore out first, they wore out evenly but just really quickly.

My rear tyres are wearing out unevenly and thats because i dont have a camber kit, but its not that bad and im just wondering if i can put them on the fronts.

[yfin]

Thanks, i'll look into the Dunlops

Yeah the car is dumped but there is hardly any camber on the fronts and thats the tyres that wore out first, they wore out evenly but just really quickly.

My rear tyres are wearing out unevenly and thats because i dont have a camber kit, but its not that bad and im just wondering if i can put them on the fronts.
I see - I think you really need a shop to look at those rear tyres. How often were those tyres rotated? Given your experience with short tyre life you should get them done every 5000kms.

Re the new tyres - if you buy 2 - having different tread front and rear makes it a bit more difficult to rotate tyres properly.

Take a look at the Beaurepairs road hazard warranty too. It costs $6 more per tyre. Apart from the puncture repair or replacement- you get a booklet which has coupons for rotation and balance at regular periods. I have got more value out of that than the $24 it cost me with cheap laser alignments, rotations and balancing.

http://www.beaurepaires.com.au/content.asp?Document_ID=17

[cassius]

Just got some GoodYear "Excelence" tyres 205/55/16 for the euro. They are a relatively new release from goodyear and so far all is good. Quiet tyre as this was a main criteria and was recently informed that they are oems on the ford fairlanes and fairmonts.

I got 42k our of the dunlop 2050e and will be happy if i get the same out of these goodyears.

Price per boot was $216 including the tyre warranty that Beaurepairs have.

Cheers
Clay

[Gerald28]

i have 225/40/18 on my car

used to have goodyear f1 gs-d3.....didnt like them!
now i have yokohama advan sport...love them!!!!!

much better dry and wet grip...and a very quiet tyre indeed!

[kitbkk]

i have 225/40/18 on my car

used to have goodyear f1 gs-d3.....didnt like them!
now i have yokohama advan sport...love them!!!!!

much better dry and wet grip...and a very quiet tyre indeed!
how much did yoko advan sport of the size above cost you? if i could ask? Im thinkin of those tyres too.

[Suntzu]

Ive got 18" and some mid range Falkens. They have done about 25 000km and the other day I had a scare in the wet. A big scare.

Ive only got 6 months till i turn this beast over to a new lease so Im going to try and get around 40 000km out of them anyway. They are very good wearing though about 65% after 25k.

[yourfather]

if your car is bone stock, find out what tyres originally came on the vehicle and put them on. BTW, why are you replacing 2 tyres at a time? if you got a euro you obviously arent a povvo, just get all 4 done, and get them rotated properly...

[kitbkk]

Has anyone tried Falken FK452? I heard quite a lot of good reviews from them.. Im having a really bad tire dilemmas now. Im having two choices which are Yokohama Advan V103 and the Falken Fk452. I know Yokohama produce super great tyres but as Im running 19", one tyre would cost me 500ish already where as Falken Fk452 only cost 299 a tyre. Well im concerniing about safety first so Im not sure whether I should run Falken to save money for other mods or should I go Yokohama which im sure im gonna have no probs from them as my experience with them is great. If Falken Fk452 is a good tyre I might give it a go as they are marketing for JDM VIP as well. People who had had them said they r very quiet too. Well thanks

[MiSloVic]

my past experience with Falken were with the st115.. loved these tyres.. good grip in wet and dry and they are quiet too..

believe the FK 452 would be the same, as the 452 is supposed to replace the st115 in some markets.

[kitbkk]

my past experience with Falken were with the st115.. loved these tyres.. good grip in wet and dry and they are quiet too..

believe the FK 452 would be the same, as the 452 is supposed to replace the st115 in some markets.
I guess FK452 is the replacement of FK451.. I actually want to get them but I have already ordered Yokohama Advan v103 instead lol Ill just try the fk452 next time then but FK452 should be the best bang for bucks and also performance as well as comfort...452 is top range of Falken at the moment as some tyres shops told me.

[yfin]

I used to have Falken Ziex 512s - they were really great for about 6 months. They are also quite light which is a plus. Once they have worn just a little they are scary in the wet. You can find some great reviews about these tyres on the net - but I will never ever buy Falken tyres again.

It seems to be a common theme with Falken tyres - once they have worn a little wet weather performance goes downhill in a big way. Buy at your peril!

[kitbkk]

I used to have Falken Ziex 512s - they were really great for about 6 months. They are also quite light which is a plus. Once they have worn just a little they are scary in the wet. You can find some great reviews about these tyres on the net - but I will never ever buy Falken tyres again.

It seems to be a common theme with Falken tyres - once they have worn a little wet weather performance goes downhill in a big way. Buy at your peril!
i also heard a lot of bad reviews of ziex series to.. but i think fk452 would be ways better than that but yeah i still dont think it can compare with Yokohama but the amount you pay for fk series would be very worth it.. Yokohama Advan ftw..getting them tomorrow wood wood!!:p

[yfin]

i also heard a lot of bad reviews of ziex series to.. but i think fk452 would be ways better than that but yeah i still dont think it can compare with Yokohama but the amount you pay for fk series would be very worth it.. Yokohama Advan ftw..getting them tomorrow wood wood!!:p

I personally don't trust Falken with any tyre now. Never again.

[mahonym]

I've recently put Michelin Energy MVX8s on my Euro. They're a very good cruising tyre for highway driving as they roll really well, are pretty comfortable and are a reasonably quiet tyre.

However, they are not a sports tyre and I have lost a little of driver "feedback" . This especially noticeable during hard cornering. The tyres still grip well but you can't feel them working you just have to trust them. They have been pretty good in the wet.

I've always got a lot of kms out of Michelins and I'm hoping for 60K to 80K out of these. If I had my choice again, I probably would have picked a harder tyre but this are doing the job nicely for the present.

[ENVSSS]

I currently have Goodyear F1 on my Euro and think they are ok, though they do also limit driver feedback and steering response compared the factory Bridgestone RE040's IMO.

I am contemplating getting Michelin Pilot Preceda (Stock Acura TSX?) or Yokohama S or C.Drives. Anyone else using these tyres on their Euro?

[aaronng]

Mugen88 has S.Drives. I'll go for RE001.

mahonym, how much were the Michelin Energys?

[EuroDude]

The Yoko C-Drives are good but I want to try another tyre this time.

What I want is a tyre that has strong walls (so the tyres dont wobble/shift around corners), but not too harsh on the road (due to the euro's sporty suspension), and that can handle quick cornering.

Yoko V550? http://www.yokohama.com.au/ourtyres/tyre.aspx?tyreid=64
Michelin Pilot Primacy? http://www.michelin.com.au/tyres/passengerCar_pilotPrimacy.asp

[mugen88]

Yoko S-Drives FTW, nice solid feel and grippy in wet. Even better when dry.

[aaronng]

The Yoko C-Drives are good but I want to try another tyre this time.

What I want is a tyre that has strong walls (so the tyres dont wobble/shift around corners), but not too harsh on the road (due to the euro's sporty suspension), and that can handle quick cornering.

Yoko V550? http://www.yokohama.com.au/ourtyres/tyre.aspx?tyreid=64
Michelin Pilot Primacy? http://www.michelin.com.au/tyres/passengerCar_pilotPrimacy.asp

You contradict yourself. You say you want stiff sidewalls, yet you post links to the 2 tyres with soft sidewalls. LOL. Go try the S.drive or RE001.

[tanalasta]

Going good with my C-Drives at the moment, having driven them 5000km (Had my REO40's 17" replaced at 33000km).

Happy to recommend them. They grip almost as well as the Potenza's in the dry but really hold their own in the wet. $1100 for the set of four including alignment/balancing. And I find them quieter and more refined than the stock Potenza's too.

[aaronng]

$1100 is pretty pricey..

[EuroDude]

You contradict yourself. You say you want stiff sidewalls, yet you post links to the 2 tyres with soft sidewalls. LOL. Go try the S.drive or RE001.

lol. how can u tell the walls are not stiff?
S-Drives are sportier than the C-Drives. I want something that performs like the CDrives but are a bit less harsh over bumps etc.
The RE001's are a high performance tyre, probably too hard on the road.

Perhaps I'll just get teh C-Drives again lolz. They are damn good tyres after all

[aaronng]

lol. how can u tell the walls are not stiff?
S-Drives are sportier than the C-Drives. I want something that performs like the CDrives but are a bit less harsh over bumps etc.
The RE001's are a high performance tyre, probably too hard on the road.

Perhaps I'll just get teh C-Drives again lolz. They are damn good tyres after all

The V550 is part of the dBs range, which are designed for low noise and comfort at a good price, hence softer sidewalls. Same with the Pilot Premacy.

S-Drive is not necessarily sportier. The difference between the C and S drive, is that the C.Drive is designed to be safer in the wet, while the S.Drive sacrifices wet grip for more dry grip. Both probably have the same sidewall design.

Go ride in an Euro with RE001 first and see how you like it. I rode in Mugen88's Euro which has S.Drives and they are as quiet as the C.Drives on my Astra.

Also, being high performance doesn't mean that they are hard on the road. look at the tyres on the AMG Mercs. They are high performance but more comfortable than most of the tyres that we talk about. These tyres which include the very nice ContisportContact2 give you performance, low noise and comfort, at the sacrifice of a high price.

[tony1234]

The V550 is part of the dBs range, which are designed for low noise and comfort at a good price, hence softer sidewalls. Same with the Pilot Premacy.

S-Drive is not necessarily sportier. The difference between the C and S drive, is that the C.Drive is designed to be safer in the wet, while the S.Drive sacrifices wet grip for more dry grip. Both probably have the same sidewall design.

Go ride in an Euro with RE001 first and see how you like it. I rode in Mugen88's Euro which has S.Drives and they are as quiet as the C.Drives on my Astra.

Also, being high performance doesn't mean that they are hard on the road. look at the tyres on the AMG Mercs. They are high performance but more comfortable than most of the tyres that we talk about. These tyres which include the very nice ContisportContact2 give you performance, low noise and comfort, at the sacrifice of a high price.
I can get Conti Sport contact 2s for $330 each fitted,balanced,not bad price!!!Also i hear good things about Dunlop Sport Maxx as well(made in Germany)not sure on price though.Anyone here have them fitted?Opinions,feedback?

[EG30]

Michelin Preceda

Very comfortable ride, quieter than most and sensational grip despite the non aggressive thread pattern.

Unlike most tyres, their grip drop off over time is less significant and doesn't become noisy when the tread wears down.

[rhettzor]

I replaced my Potenza's at 66,000km due to a puncture (mostly freeway driving). I now have the Maxxis MA-Z1 Victra from BobJane. They're about $100 cheaper (i was quoted ~$350 for the Potenza), and apparently similar performance/quality (wheels mag rated them 3rd overall some time back, don't have a link sorry).

I've done about 11,000km with the MA-Z1 now, and i have had no problems. I haven't noticed any less grip and the noise appears to be slightly less (i have the stereo down a couple of notches now, so either the tyres are quieter or my hearing has improved!).

I reckon they're alright, plus the tread looks wickiiid!: http://www.maxxis.com/products/automotive/product_detail.asp?id=5456

[aaronng]

Potenza RE040s are expensive because they are used as OEM tyres. Same for the Dunlop SP2050m that come on the base model. I got quoted $270 for those crappy Dunlops. C.Drives were only $200. If you want 225/40 R17 at a low price, look at Dunlop SP3000A. They were about $210 (saw it in a Bob Jane flyer)

[chosen_one]

I recently bought an Adrenalin RE001. I called quite a few places and the average price was around the $330 mark. I ended up finding one Bridgestone tyre centre that quoted me $284, so my advice is to shop around.

[350G]

lol. how can u tell the walls are not stiff?
S-Drives are sportier than the C-Drives. I want something that performs like the CDrives but are a bit less harsh over bumps etc.
The RE001's are a high performance tyre, probably too hard on the road.

Perhaps I'll just get teh C-Drives again lolz. They are damn good tyres after all

RE001 is damn soft

[350G]

I recently bought an Adrenalin RE001. I called quite a few places and the average price was around the $330 mark. I ended up finding one Bridgestone tyre centre that quoted me $284, so my advice is to shop around.

are you serious? for 17'? my frd got a set for his rx8 for $300 for his stock 18'. Even mine with 265/35/18 at the rear cost me $350 only.

[chosen_one]

are you serious? for 17'? my frd got a set for his rx8 for $300 for his stock 18'. Even mine with 265/35/18 at the rear cost me $350 only.

Yep. I think prices for Falcodore varieties might be a bit cheaper due to being a popular size. I could be wrong but I don't think the 225/45R17 is a very common size.

[aaronng]

Yep. I think prices for Falcodore varieties might be a bit cheaper due to being a popular size. I could be wrong but I don't think the 225/45R17 is a very common size.

It IS a common size, that is why it is expensive. Just like 205/55 R16. It's common on the base Euro and on the Mazda6, hence it is MORE expensive than 225/50 R16 (which has the same rolling diameter).

[euro77]

are you serious? for 17'? my frd got a set for his rx8 for $300 for his stock 18'. Even mine with 265/35/18 at the rear cost me $350 only.

can you let me know (or PM me) where your friend got his 18" RE001 for his rx8 from? I might go to the same place when it's time for me to change.

[mahonym]

Mugen88 has S.Drives. I'll go for RE001.

mahonym, how much were the Michelin Energys?
aaronng,

From memory they were around $250 each plus balance and alignment.

[aaronng]

$250 includes both alignment and balancing?

[sodaz]

I've had my S drives for a while now and imo they are very good. Good grip and very solid feeling. They are also very quiet when cruising. Not sure how the RE001 compares.

[BiLL|z0r]

How long is "a while"? I need 4 new 16" tyres very soon. The OEM dunlops lasted 20K and the Fulda's I have now have lasted 30K. Thinking of Michelins next time and hope it's worth the extra for the extra milage.

[aaronng]

What's the treadwear rating on the Michelins? It's 300 for the C and S.Drives and 240 for the RE001.

[EuroDude]

Potenza RE040s are expensive because they are used as OEM tyres. Same for the Dunlop SP2050m that come on the base model. I got quoted $270 for those crappy Dunlops. C.Drives were only $200. If you want 225/40 R17 at a low price, look at Dunlop SP3000A. They were about $210 (saw it in a Bob Jane flyer)



$200 for C Drives? where was that?

I may go for the RE001's this time.
Heres an interesting review (on a wrx)
http://www.carandimage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5113

(and yeah the SP2050m were terrible, cant trust them at all)

[EuroDude]

Found a list of 17" tyres, credits to gtrydaz.com

http://forum.gtrydaz.com/showthread.php?t=18109


Brand | Model | Size | Speed | Load | Other
Pirelli | PZero Asimmetrico | 235/50R17 | W | 96 |
Pirelli | PZero Rosso Asimmetrico | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Pirelli | PZero Rosso Asimmetrico | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Pirelli | P7 | 215/55R17 | W | 94 |
Pirelli | P7 | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Pirelli | P7 | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Pirelli | P6000 | 225/55R17 | W | 94 |
Bridgestone | GIII | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Bridgestone | GIII | 215/55R17 | V | 93 | (replaced by Adrenalin - below)
Bridgestone | ER30 | 225/55R17 | H | 97 | Touring
Bridgestone | ER300 | 225/55R17 | V | 97 | Touring
Bridgestone | RE050 | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 | -
Bridgestone | RE050 | 225/50R17 | W/Y | 94 | Run Flat!
Bridgestone | RE040 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 | 140 A A
Bridgestone | RE040 | 235/50R17 | W | 96 | 140 A A
Bridgestone | RE001 Adrenalin | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Bridgestone | RE001 Adrenalin | 215/55R17 | W | 94 | (replaces GIII)
Bridgestone | RE001 Adrenalin | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Dunlop | SP Sport 01 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Dunlop | Direzza DZ101 | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Dunlop | Le Mans LM702 | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Dunlop | SP SPORT 200E | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Goodyear | Eagle LS2000 | 215/55R17 | V | 93 |
Goodyear | Eagle LS2000 | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Goodyear | Eagle LS2000 | 225/55R17 | V | 95 |
Goodyear | Excellence | 215/55R17 | W | 94 |
Goodyear | Excellence | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Goodyear | Excellence | 235/50R17 | V | 96 |
Goodyear | Eagle F1 GS-D3 | 225/50R17 | W | ? |
Goodyear | Eagle F1 GS-D3 | 225/50R17 | Y | 94 |
Goodyear | Eagle F1 GS-D3 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Goodyear | Eagle F1 GS-D3 | 235/50R17 | Y | 96 |
Falken | ZE329 | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Falken | ZE329 | 235/50R17 | V | 94 |
Falken | ZE329 | 215/55R17 | V | 93 |
Kumho | KU31 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Kumho | KU31 | 225/50R17 | W | 98 |
Kumho | KU31 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Kumho | KU21 | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Kumho | KU21 | 215/55R17 | V | 94 |
Kumho | KU21 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Kumho | KU25 | 215/55R17 | H | 98 |
Sumitomo | SRIXON 4 | 225/55R17 | H | 95 |
Hankook | Ventus H424 | 225/50R17 | W | 98 |
Hankook | Ventus K104 | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Hankook | Ventus K105 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Hankook | Ventus K102 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Hankook | XQ Optimo H222 | 225/50R17 | W | ?? |
Hankook | XQ Optimo H222 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Hankook | Ventus HRII H405 | 225/55R17 | H | 97 |
Hankook | Ventus HRII H405 | 225/50R17 | H | 94 |
BF Goodrich | g-Force Profiler | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Michelin | Pilot Preceda PP2 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Michelin | Energy MXV8 | 215/55R17 | V | 93 |
Michelin | Pilot Primacy | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Michelin | Pilot Primacy | 225/55R17 | V | 97 |
Michelin | 4x4 Synchrone | 225/55R17 | H | 97 |Offroad
Yokohama | Advan Sport V103 | 235/50R17 | Y | 96 |
Yokohama | S.drive | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Yokohama | S.drive | 215/55R17 | Y | 98 |
Yokohama | S.drive | 225/55R17 | Y | 101 |
Yokohama | AVS V550 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Yokohama | Advan ST V802 | 225/55R17 | Y | 96 | SUV -
Continetal | SportContact 2 | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Continetal | SportContact 2 | 235/50R17 | Y | 96 |
Toyo | Proxes 4 | 225/50ZR17 | W | 98 | -
Toyo | Proxes 4 | 235/50ZR17 | W | 100 |
Fulda | CARAT EXELERO | 215/55R17 | W | 94 |
Fulda | CARAT EXELERO | 225/50ZR17 | Y | 94 |
Fulda | CARAT EXELERO | 225/55ZR17 | W | 101 |
Federal | FD2 | 215/55R17 | W | 98 |
Federal | FD2 | 225/50R17 | W | 101 |
Federal | FD2 | 235/50R17 | W | 96 |
Federal | SS595 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Federal | SS595 | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Federal | SS595 evo | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Federal | SS595 evo | 225/55R17 | Y | 101 |

[aaronng]

$200 for C Drives? where was that?

I may go for the RE001's this time.
Heres an interesting review (on a wrx)
http://www.carandimage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5113

(and yeah the SP2050m were terrible, cant trust them at all)

Bob Jane Bondi Junction, probably one of the most expensive Bob Janes around. :)

Yup, I'm going for RE001 next. Since Mugen88 has the S.Drive and EuroAccord13 has Pirelli Dragons, I'll get the RE001 just to compare.

[BiLL|z0r]

What's the treadwear rating on the Michelins? It's 300 for the C and S.Drives and 240 for the RE001.

Unsure but here's the web site:
http://www.michelin.com.au/tyres/passengerCar_pilotPreceda.asp. I googled it but couldn't find it so might have to ring my local tyre joint on Monday.

[aaronng]

Found a list of 17" tyres, credits to gtrydaz.com

http://forum.gtrydaz.com/showthread.php?t=18109


Brand | Model | Size | Speed | Load | Other
Pirelli | PZero Asimmetrico | 235/50R17 | W | 96 |
Pirelli | PZero Rosso Asimmetrico | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Pirelli | PZero Rosso Asimmetrico | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Pirelli | P7 | 215/55R17 | W | 94 |
Pirelli | P7 | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Pirelli | P7 | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Pirelli | P6000 | 225/55R17 | W | 94 |
Bridgestone | GIII | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Bridgestone | GIII | 215/55R17 | V | 93 | (replaced by Adrenalin - below)
Bridgestone | ER30 | 225/55R17 | H | 97 | Touring
Bridgestone | ER300 | 225/55R17 | V | 97 | Touring
Bridgestone | RE050 | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 | -
Bridgestone | RE050 | 225/50R17 | W/Y | 94 | Run Flat!
Bridgestone | RE040 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 | 140 A A
Bridgestone | RE040 | 235/50R17 | W | 96 | 140 A A
Bridgestone | RE001 Adrenalin | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Bridgestone | RE001 Adrenalin | 215/55R17 | W | 94 | (replaces GIII)
Bridgestone | RE001 Adrenalin | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Dunlop | SP Sport 01 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Dunlop | Direzza DZ101 | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Dunlop | Le Mans LM702 | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Dunlop | SP SPORT 200E | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Goodyear | Eagle LS2000 | 215/55R17 | V | 93 |
Goodyear | Eagle LS2000 | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Goodyear | Eagle LS2000 | 225/55R17 | V | 95 |
Goodyear | Excellence | 215/55R17 | W | 94 |
Goodyear | Excellence | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Goodyear | Excellence | 235/50R17 | V | 96 |
Goodyear | Eagle F1 GS-D3 | 225/50R17 | W | ? |
Goodyear | Eagle F1 GS-D3 | 225/50R17 | Y | 94 |
Goodyear | Eagle F1 GS-D3 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Goodyear | Eagle F1 GS-D3 | 235/50R17 | Y | 96 |
Falken | ZE329 | 225/50R17 | V | 94 |
Falken | ZE329 | 235/50R17 | V | 94 |
Falken | ZE329 | 215/55R17 | V | 93 |
Kumho | KU31 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Kumho | KU31 | 225/50R17 | W | 98 |
Kumho | KU31 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Kumho | KU21 | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Kumho | KU21 | 215/55R17 | V | 94 |
Kumho | KU21 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Kumho | KU25 | 215/55R17 | H | 98 |
Sumitomo | SRIXON 4 | 225/55R17 | H | 95 |
Hankook | Ventus H424 | 225/50R17 | W | 98 |
Hankook | Ventus K104 | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Hankook | Ventus K105 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Hankook | Ventus K102 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Hankook | XQ Optimo H222 | 225/50R17 | W | ?? |
Hankook | XQ Optimo H222 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Hankook | Ventus HRII H405 | 225/55R17 | H | 97 |
Hankook | Ventus HRII H405 | 225/50R17 | H | 94 |
BF Goodrich | g-Force Profiler | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Michelin | Pilot Preceda PP2 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Michelin | Energy MXV8 | 215/55R17 | V | 93 |
Michelin | Pilot Primacy | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Michelin | Pilot Primacy | 225/55R17 | V | 97 |
Michelin | 4x4 Synchrone | 225/55R17 | H | 97 |Offroad
Yokohama | Advan Sport V103 | 235/50R17 | Y | 96 |
Yokohama | S.drive | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Yokohama | S.drive | 215/55R17 | Y | 98 |
Yokohama | S.drive | 225/55R17 | Y | 101 |
Yokohama | AVS V550 | 225/55R17 | W | 101 |
Yokohama | Advan ST V802 | 225/55R17 | Y | 96 | SUV -
Continetal | SportContact 2 | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Continetal | SportContact 2 | 235/50R17 | Y | 96 |
Toyo | Proxes 4 | 225/50ZR17 | W | 98 | -
Toyo | Proxes 4 | 235/50ZR17 | W | 100 |
Fulda | CARAT EXELERO | 215/55R17 | W | 94 |
Fulda | CARAT EXELERO | 225/50ZR17 | Y | 94 |
Fulda | CARAT EXELERO | 225/55ZR17 | W | 101 |
Federal | FD2 | 215/55R17 | W | 98 |
Federal | FD2 | 225/50R17 | W | 101 |
Federal | FD2 | 235/50R17 | W | 96 |
Federal | SS595 | 225/50R17 | W | 94 |
Federal | SS595 | 225/55R17 | W | 97 |
Federal | SS595 evo | 225/50R17 | Y | 98 |
Federal | SS595 evo | 225/55R17 | Y | 101 |

This info is not really useful.... For example, they list S.Drives in 215/55 R17, 225/50 R17 and 225/55 R17. Info does not help as they are not the right size for the Euro in 17", while Yokohama Australia's site lists 225/45 R17, which is the right one. Here is the size chart for the S.Drive: http://www.yokohama.com.au/downloadfile.aspx?fileid=5608

[petsfact]

dont go for re001 if you want a quite euro :P

[aaronng]

dont go for re001 if you want a quite euro :P

They can't be as noisy as the stock Dunlop SP2050m. You have the RE001? The Dunlops are so loud on the roads around the Grampians at 100km/h that I couldn't hear my passenger speak.

[EuroDude]

This info is not really useful.... For example, they list S.Drives in 215/55 R17, 225/50 R17 and 225/55 R17. Info does not help as they are not the right size for the Euro in 17", while Yokohama Australia's site lists 225/45 R17, which is the right one. Here is the size chart for the S.Drive: http://www.yokohama.com.au/downloadfile.aspx?fileid=5608

Yeah I noticed the sizes were not quite right. At least we have a list of Type models to look into. i.e. The Eagle F1 GS-D3


dont go for re001 if you want a quite euro :P

Thats ok I dont care about the noise. Solid cornering, grip, and softness over bad roads is more important.

[petsfact]

maybe i am different... :(

i do have re001 they are pretty good tyres but sometime they are a bit too rough for euro.... purely personal opinion.

[aaronng]

maybe i am different... :(

i do have re001 they are pretty good tyres but sometime they are a bit too rough for euro.... purely personal opinion.

Which tyres did you have originally? The 16" Dunlops or the 17" Bridgestones?

[V205]

By rough, other than noisy, can you elaborate further? Has the handling and steering response improved noticably?



maybe i am different... :(

i do have re001 they are pretty good tyres but sometime they are a bit too rough for euro.... purely personal opinion.

[petsfact]

i had the dunlop. The re001 give a bit of noise when driving on rough surface.

[aaronng]

i had the dunlop. The re001 give a bit of noise when driving on rough surface.

My dunlops must be totally stuffed then. It's very very very very bad.

[petsfact]

i still think generic/normal tires should be used on euro.

[aaronng]

I'll still give RE001 a go.

[EuroDude]

i still think generic/normal tires should be used on euro.

For the 17" Bridgestone tyres, yes perhaps.

But the stock 16" Dunlop SP2050M's are useless, if not dangerous :thumbdwn:

[yfin]

For the 17" Bridgestone tyres, yes perhaps.

But the stock 16" Dunlop SP2050M's are useless, if not dangerous :thumbdwn:

lol I found those Dunlops pretty good! But I was only using them when they had heaps of tread (got rid of them at 4000kms).

[BiLL|z0r]

I didn't find them too bad either considering they're OEM but just didn't last very long

[petsfact]

RE001 isn't too bad after all. :) It's excellent tires in wet and dry, performance is really great.

Just ignore my opinion i am always over reacting over small thing. :)

[aaronng]

lol I found those Dunlops pretty good! But I was only using them when they had heaps of tread (got rid of them at 4000kms).

If you had them on for about 2 years, they do start to harden and are dangerous in the wet. We had the 2020e on the Astra for 3 years and chunks of rubber (5mm cube) was falling off the shoulder blocks.

[euro77]

For the 17" Bridgestone tyres, yes perhaps.

But the stock 16" Dunlop SP2050M's are useless, if not dangerous :thumbdwn:

depends on how you drive your car, if you drive like granny, then stock is more than enough :p

[EuroDude]

depends on how you drive your car, if you drive like granny, then stock is more than enough :p

lol true that.


lol I found those Dunlops pretty good! But I was only using them when they had heaps of tread (got rid of them at 4000kms).

I got rid of mine at around 4000km as well. I found them to be loose footed around corners, ABS and traction control engaged everyday, and I wasnt even pushing the car hard. The dunlops simply cant keep a grip on poor roads very well. When I upgraded to 17" with C-Drives, ABS/Traction rarely engaged after that, and the car felt very sure footed and had plenty of grip. Perhaps going from 6.5" to 7" tyre width contributed as well, but 0.5" extra wouldnt change things much

[Cranial]

I've got myself some Falken FK452's (225/40-18) and they seem to be pretty quiet and grippy. I haven't really tested it out much in the wet - hasn't been wet much in Sydney lately! And I agree, the stock dunlops are not very good.

Eurodude - I think I see you coming down Lane Cove Rd on some morning's as I head in the opposite direction to work! Your wheels and your grille are a dead giveaway! :)

[fraqqie]

I haven't really tested it out much in the wet - hasn't been wet much in Sydney lately!)

bro you wanna take that back cause it's been soaking wet for the past couple of days =p

i'm still looking for a decent set of rubbers lately and i wanted to give pirelli dragons a shot but they weren't in the correct load rating for the size i was looking (225/40/18 came only in 88, needed at least 91 ratings) i got offered $275 which is pretty good for my size, i think bob jane has em on special for 17's atm

sort of limits choice atm... hoping to get some good brand tyres for roughly 1000 bucks *fingers crossed*

btw i got offered Yoko AR01 for $290 a corner, is that good or bad? thanks in advance :)

[aaronng]

Just wanted to post up some prices for the Adrenalin RE001.

205/55 R16 - $209
225/50 R16 - $209
225/45 R17 - $297

[aaronng]

Got the RE001 on my Euro now. They are heaps quieter than the Dunlop SP2050m. I'd say tyre noise has been reduced to 1/3 now. I haven't tested the grip yet, will do so once the tyre has worn in.

[sodaz]

Got the RE001 on my Euro now. They are heaps quieter than the Dunlop SP2050m. I'd say tyre noise has been reduced to 1/3 now. I haven't tested the grip yet, will do so once the tyre has worn in.

Awesome. Let us know what your impressions are in a week or so. Are they installed on the 16" or 17" rims?

[aaronng]

Awesome. Let us know what your impressions are in a week or so. Are they installed on the 16" or 17" rims?

It's on the 16"s. I went for 205/55 R16 instead of the 225/50 because of weight. The 225s are quite a bit heavier. Initial impressions is that it has very good grip and is good at sharp steering input changes. With my old tyres, if I changed direction too quickly, the car would just slide straight on. I'm waiting for at least 100km for the tyre coating to wear off before really testing it.

[petsfact]

i've had around 6000kms on my re001 now, it still look almost new, my driving got problem.....

[sodaz]

It's on the 16"s. I went for 205/55 R16 instead of the 225/50 because of weight. The 225s are quite a bit heavier. Initial impressions is that it has very good grip and is good at sharp steering input changes. With my old tyres, if I changed direction too quickly, the car would just slide straight on. I'm waiting for at least 100km for the tyre coating to wear off before really testing it.

That's very good. When I upgraded to the S drives (225/45) i noticed a lot less tyre flex, better response and much better grip. I might give the RE001 a try next time around. Give it a bit of a fang and the tyre coating will wear off a bit quicker.

[Merlin086]

That's very good. When I upgraded to the S drives (225/45) i noticed a lot less tyre flex, better response and much better grip. I might give the RE001 a try next time around. Give it a bit of a fang and the tyre coating will wear off a bit quicker.

The S drives look to have a better wet weather tread than the C drives.

Would that be a fair assumption? Are they pretty grippy in the wet?

[aaronng]

The S drives look to have a better wet weather tread than the C drives.

Would that be a fair assumption? Are they pretty grippy in the wet?

Actually, it's the other way around. The C.Drive is supposed to have a better wet weather design and also a slightly quieter ride by trading off some dry weather grip. The S.Drive would be how the C.Drive would be if it was designed for the dry.

[beeza]

I just have a tyre related question.I recently bought a set of 13" rims for track purposes (from a gemini-haha).I know it sounds small but with a 185/70/13 tyre it almost the same size as my 215/40/17's.
I will looking to buy a set of second hand track tyres soon.My question is are they going to be hard to find,being 13 inch?
Thanks,
Brett.

[aaronng]

I just have a tyre related question.I recently bought a set of 13" rims for track purposes (from a gemini-haha).I know it sounds small but with a 185/70/13 tyre it almost the same size as my 215/40/17's.
I will looking to buy a set of second hand track tyres soon.My question is are they going to be hard to find,being 13 inch?
Thanks,
Brett.

Try the tyre manufacturer's website. They have a size list. Yokohama, Kumho and Dunlop do at least.

[beeza]

Excellent.Great to hear,thanks mate.These rims are real retro like.hehehe.Need a paint.I'll get some pics up when I fit them but I also wanted to ask.They stick out about 20mm from the car with the 185's.The rim can take up to a 235.Which I'm hoping to get.235/55/13.With this wheel sticking out a bit apart from it looking a bit strange (I'm thinking about putting some fender flares on there so it won't look so bad) is there any issue with that? With a wider wheel base it should handle better right?
Note:
There's a bit of clearance already with the 185/70/13 tyres on there.So with a 55 profile that will give me a bit more,so rubbing on the fender hopefully won't be an issue.I'm a bit concerned though.The king springs/stock strut set up is quite stiff so fingers crossed it wont rub.I think I will have to test fit them all and go for a spin.

[aaronng]

I don't think Yokohamas come in 235/55 R13. That is a VERY odd size.

[BiLL|z0r]

There mustn't be much clearence to the brakes. I assume the offset if quite low to clear the rotors and calipers. With 16" rims it's only a few mm's.

[beeza]

They are still at the guys house that I bought em' from.Anyways I will go there real soon and put em' all on and go for a test drive.I'll get some pics up cause I would like some input on them.

[beeza]

The New ADVAN A048 from Yokohama look sweet:
http://www.yokohama.com.au/motorsports/

They do them in 185/60/13 for $235ea OR
205/60/13 for $244ea

I think 185's will be better as the 205 will stick out a bit on the rim therefore not as stiff on the side walls.Weight too.But the rim can take 235's though.
What do you guys think?

[aaronng]

The New ADVAN A048 from Yokohama look sweet:
http://www.yokohama.com.au/motorsports/

They do them in 185/60/13 for $235ea OR
205/60/13 for $244ea

I think 185's will be better as the 205 will stick out a bit on the rim therefore not as stiff on the side walls.Weight too.But the rim can take 235's though.
What do you guys think?

You are better off with 15" rims. At 205/60 R13, the sidewall is very tall and when cornering hard, will deflect and reduce grip.

[beeza]

FARRRRRRKK!!!!! Thanks aaron.That's what ya get for not researching b4 buying.F**K IT!

[BiLL|z0r]

Wouldn't a 16" super light weight rim with 225/50 be better? The side walls would just be too flexy.

[beeza]

Yeah,I got my money back from the wheels.I will buy 15" or 16" in the future.Thanks guys.I'll remember to research,'search' b4 purchasing next time.hehe.

[BiLL|z0r]

Yesterday I got myself 2 Michelin PP2 tyres (16") for the front replacing the Fulda's I had. The Fulda's only lasted 30K and had no wear rating on the side wall.
These Michelins are very impressive. Great grip in dry (not tested in wet yet) and much stiffer side wall. You can feel the car leans less around corners now. Even just driving in a straight line at normal road speeds the car seems so much more sure footed and stable.
I got them from Bob Janes for $199/each, normally $230/each but they had them on special this month. The C-Drives were $220/each so I might get them next month and put the Michelin's on the rear so I can compare ride, grip and wear. After this I'll know which tyres to get a full set of next time.
The Michelin's have a wear rating of 240 but I take it with a grain of salt as the OEM Dunlops are 280 and only lasted 20K km's.
I'll report back after a wet drive and once they've worn in a little.

[EuroDude]

pirelli dragon (?) seems to be good performing, with high treadwear rate. EuroAccord13 got it and he said it's good. Treadwear better than my goodyear eagle f1 gs-d3.

of course this depends on your budget and car use.

I recently got pirelli dragons at the front, they seem to be very good in the wet. yet to try them in the dry.

[aaronng]

I recently got pirelli dragons at the front, they seem to be very good in the wet. yet to try them in the dry.

They are good and last very long. EuroAccord13 has them on his car too. Grips very well.

[EuroDude]

They are good and last very long. EuroAccord13 has them on his car too. Grips very well.


Good stuff. Tried them in the dry tonight, they seem to be a very stable tyre :thumbsup:

The dude at the tyre place noticed I had Yoko C-Drives and said that they are a very soft tyre and not really suited for Honda's, and that they install the Dragons on virtually every Euro that comes in. So yeah the Dragons seem to be a good choice for the Euro so far ftw

Note that the C-Drives performed VERY well in Wet and Dry until they wore down to the legal limit, once they wear down to the 'indicator', they are absolutely terrible in the wet. Traction control engaged very often and the tyres simply could not be trusted. They squealed around corners in the dry, and aquaplaned in the wet uphills. But I suppose thats the case for all tyres, once they wear down they perform bad.

ps. got the dragons for $290 per tyre, which is about the price that is expected I suppose. Then again, I got the C-Drives for $250 each at a yoko shop, these guys sell them at $290 as well.

[EuroAccord13]

I could never rave enough for the Dragons... Two times at Heathcote and numourous spirited driving and the tyres still grip well... Less in the wet now....

[fraqqie]

ps. got the dragons for $290 per tyre, which is about the price that is expected I suppose. Then again, I got the C-Drives for $250 each at a yoko shop, these guys sell them at $290 as well.

are these for 18 inches? I got quoted 290 at Bob Jane but they told me that Dragons didn't have the correct load rating for my size 225/40/18

[EuroDude]

^ no they are stock 17" size. 225/45ZR17 91W.

Yeah they were a tad bit expensive for 17". I may go somewhere else for the rear tyres when its time.

[Merlin086]

^ no they are stock 17" size. 225/45ZR17 91W.

Yeah they were a tad bit expensive for 17". I may go somewhere else for the rear tyres when its time.

Here's a good comparison to work off for price, apparently frequently updated.

Pirelli Dragons.....$225 in 225x45R17

http://www.cheaptyres4u.com.au/performancetyres.php

You might be able to use these prices to haggle against, although probably not that cheap.
Then again, if your in Sydney.....:thumbsup:

[EuroDude]

^ dayam quite a difference. Lucky I didnt get all four tyres. Thx for that.

[Merlin086]

^ dayam quite a difference. Lucky I didnt get all four tyres. Thx for that.


I need 4 new tyres too, just wished I still lived in Sydney...

......nah, not really....

Good reference for popular sizes and brands tho..........:thumbsup:

[johnprocter]

what are some good lightweight 17" tyres anyone can recommend?

[tony1234]

Conti Sport contact 2s.Really suit the car.:thumbsup:

[Lukey13]

Any comments regarding the quietness and comfort levels provided by the Pirelli Dragons?

I still love the Michelin Pilot Preceda tyres myself, however my brother is interested in the Dragons.

[EuroDude]

Any comments regarding the quietness and comfort levels provided by the Pirelli Dragons?

I still love the Michelin Pilot Preceda tyres myself, however my brother is interested in the Dragons.

No complaints so far, they are quiet and handle very well, and actually seem a bit more comfortable than the Yoko C-Drives

[fraqqie]

thanks EuroDude

i heard one of the tyre guys mentioning they're going to phase out the dragons sometime soon, just ask around if that's true cause i had a suspicion that they're trying to get me to make a purchase right there right now

has anyone bought any good 18's around the 250 - 350 mark? i've put off my tyre purchase til i get some $$$ from the xmas shifts!

[henri123]

adrenaline potenza ? if u buy them now from kmart you also get a free transformers movie dvd ! :O :O :O :O

[nickowns]

My euro 06 came with dunlop 3050 R16s 205/55? I've done 50k kms on them now and it's fully worn.

I'm looking for some replacements, atm, the pirellis dragon seems like the choice, anything else worth getting?

btw Bob Jane Tmarts are having a sale on the dragons atm at $199 each!

[EuroDude]

Ive had the Dragons for a few weeks now and they are ok.

I prefer the Yokohama C-Drive's though, they perform similar but have better grip since they are a softer tyre.

[btchia]

Any comments regarding the quietness and comfort levels provided by the Pirelli Dragons?

I still love the Michelin Pilot Preceda tyres myself, however my brother is interested in the Dragons.

Using Michelin Pilot Preceda for 3 years, great tyres, quiet and durable (depend how you driving)...:thumbsup:

[nickowns]

what about bridgestone ER300? anyone tried those?

[BiLL|z0r]

Had my Michelin PP2 for 5K km's now and still love em. In a month or so I'm gonna get 2 Cdrives just for comparison as the PP2's only have a 240 wear rating and looks like they way wear a bit quick.
We had weeks of rain up here and they gripped very well in the wet around corners. Feels so much more stable.

[splashalot2000]

Had my Michelin PP2 for 5K km's now and still love em. ....

+1

We've had Michelin Pilot Preceda 2's on the Liberty for 16,000kms. They show negligible wear and I cannot fault their grip wet or dry - miles ahead of the OEM Bridgestone RE030s, expecially in the wet.

On the downside, the PP2s ride harder than I expected. Also, they make the steering a bit "meatier" - they add weight to it (which is a good thing in the Liberty).

SS

[henri123]

Ive had the Dragons for a few weeks now and they are ok.

I prefer the Yokohama C-Drive's though, they perform similar but have better grip since they are a softer tyre.

Agree on the Yokohama's I've had mine for about 4 months now and envy the ride.

[BiLL|z0r]

+1
On the downside, the PP2s ride harder than I expected.
SS

Now you mention it my ride did get harder when they went on. Feels like lowered springs some times.

[Sypherg]

Anyone tried the Dunlop SP Sport Maxx?
Apparently they are pretty good, won tyre of the year a couple times. Also comes standard in some cars like Audi A4, Lexus IS250 and Renault Megane Sport Cup...

Check it out: http://www.dunloptyres.com.au/dun_subpage.jsp?xcid=1211

[Pumped]

Ive got Dunlop SP Sport maxx on at the moment,
They've been pretty good tyres, decent grip not sure if its just me but they seem to have worn fairly quickly though.

Time for a replacement, one of them is almost slick :o

[tony1234]

Ive got Dunlop SP Sport maxx on at the moment,
They've been pretty good tyres, decent grip not sure if its just me but they seem to have worn fairly quickly though.

Time for a replacement, one of them is almost slick :o
I'm interested in them as i'll need tyres soon.How many Kms.did you get out of them?

[Merlin086]

Ive got Dunlop SP Sport maxx on at the moment,
They've been pretty good tyres, decent grip not sure if its just me but they seem to have worn fairly quickly though.

Time for a replacement, one of them is almost slick :o

That's why I opted for the Pirelli Dragons...hoping for 40k+.....:p

[Pumped]

probably got about 17,000kms out of mine :(

[tony1234]

probably got about 17,000kms out of mine :(
Is that all?:eek:how much $$$ per tyre?I've got Conti sport contact 2s and i've done 32k on them,I'll probably get another 5-10K out of them.

[Merlin086]

probably got about 17,000kms out of mine :(


IMO that's not acceptable for a street tyre.....:thumbdwn:

I've had "grippy" tyres do 90k, or (50,000 miles+) on a V8 Studebaker,

so a fairly heavy car.

Haha...and beware of...
Bob Jane all-rounders.....crap in the dry, dangerous in the wet and shit mileage....

[aaronng]

Dragons are good, but they are supposedly going to stop importing it in.

[Merlin086]

Dragons are good, but they are supposedly going to stop importing it in.

My understanding is that they are simply using up the remaining stock, so they're going to be harder to get until they're all gone...:thumbdwn:

Apparently Pirelli are reducing their range in OZ.........:eek:

Always the way, you find something you like then they stop selling them...

...the story of my life....lol....:(

[EuroDude]

Dragons are good, but they are supposedly going to stop importing it in.

Whats the reason? Is there a replacement model?

[aaronng]

Whats the reason? Is there a replacement model?

The Dragons are a tyre specially made for south east asia. I was surprised that it was sold here in Aus actually. I guess they are not selling enough of them or something.

[euro77]

Anyone tried the Dunlop SP Sport Maxx?
Apparently they are pretty good, won tyre of the year a couple times. Also comes standard in some cars like Audi A4, Lexus IS250 and Renault Megane Sport Cup...

Check it out: http://www.dunloptyres.com.au/dun_subpage.jsp?xcid=1211

Overall score it probably does beat the rest of the tyres tested in Wheels 2007, but you have to see individual test categories (for example, slalom the Pirelli P Zero Nero won) and based on what you want out of the tyres, you really need to pick the best one from certain categories. Also, that is unfortunately specific to the tyre size tested, for different tyre size it doesn't necessarily perform the same/similar as the size tested.

Just my 2c.

[as001]

I had the Sport Maxx's 17/45/225 they handle very well they got a bit noisy in the end they still lasted 50,000km with still a bit of tread left i rate them.