VTEC Conversion Legalities

[szmidi]

Hi

I have come accross a guy who has screwed his D series CRX(gen 2 of course) and put a B series vtec in it just recently and is now selling. Can someone tell me the legal troubles in changing engines and vin numbers and power restrictions, getting registered, road worthy, engineering stuff and all of that other annoying stuff. i just want to be sure he has it all sorted before i look at buying it.

the car is in NSW now but will be brought to QLD after purchase if someone from either state knows what the deal is.

Cheers

[Honda Enthusiast]

I would check with your local road authorities bro...because I work in the insurance industry, and when you change your engine VIN etc...it might also be an insurance issue you gotta deal with...so yeah, check with your road authorities and insurance companies very carefully before proceeding!

Unless it's a must, I don't recommend reconditioning or replacing an engine...if you want more power (and of course it's illegal to some extent) I would just add turbo as the VTEC engines blend real well with turbo boosters!

Good luck, Sky.

[aaronng]

I would check with your local road authorities bro...because I work in the insurance industry, and when you change your engine VIN etc...it might also be an insurance issue you gotta deal with...so yeah, check with your road authorities and insurance companies very carefully before proceeding!

Unless it's a must, I don't recommend reconditioning or replacing an engine...if you want more power (and of course it's illegal to some extent) I would just add turbo as the VTEC engines blend real well with turbo boosters!

Good luck, Sky.
Wouldn't adding a turbo raise your insurance premium more than swapping the dead engine with another engine of similar capacity? I mean, many cars have dead engines after many thousands of kms through wear or a factory engine fault that was covered under warranty. So an engine serial number change should be pretty common at the RTA or at the insurance company.

BTW, since the D series that was originally in the CRX was screwed, you can't switch it to forced induction anymore.

[Honda Enthusiast]

Wouldn't adding a turbo raise your insurance premium more than swapping the dead engine with another engine of similar capacity? I mean, many cars have dead engines after many thousands of kms through wear or a factory engine fault that was covered under warranty. So an engine serial number change should be pretty common at the RTA or at the insurance company.

BTW, since the D series that was originally in the CRX was screwed, you can't switch it to forced induction anymore.

Yeah, I see your point...what I meant was...if the change was crucial then yes, this would be allowed.

However, changing a engine - called a hardware mod will always increase premiums! adding turbo might also be a immediate decline!

I see, if there's no other way of fixing the engine then I suppose there's no other way!

[Mr_will]

Unless it's a must, I don't recommend reconditioning or replacing an engine...if you want more power (and of course it's illegal to some extent) I would just add turbo as the VTEC engines blend real well with turbo boosters!

Good luck, Sky.


you are a douche. lets all not rebuild our engines if we want turbo, super idea

[szmidi]

the engine is already in there guys. im just looking at buying. its done, the d series was ****ed so he put a vtec in and is selling. he owns a honda shop so probably a bit of profit for him. just want be sure he has everything squared away before purchase

[EuroDude]

I don't recommend reconditioning or replacing an engine...

erm, I cant see the harm in reconditioning the same engine, if the engine number stays the same. If it gets modified, then thats another story

[Honda Enthusiast]

you are a douche. lets all not rebuild our engines if we want turbo, super idea

Nupe, didn't say that at all... was just saying that from an insurance point of view; if you start rebuilding engines the insurance company may increase your premiums or decline you...remember, a lot of factors come into play here...age, sex, type of car - who replaced the engine etc...but never said don't do it...so the credit is all yours for being a regular Einstein!!

[matt]

i thought the big thing when doing engine conversions was that the new engine must be the same year or newer than the previous engine due to emission regulations

[EuroDude]

i thought the big thing when doing engine conversions was that the new engine must be the same year or newer than the previous engine.

Thats true. Its illegal to install an older MYxx engine

[Honda Enthusiast]

Thats true. Its illegal to install an older MYxx engine


That is totally correct.

[panda[cRx]]

I don't recommend reconditioning or replacing an engine...if you want more power (and of course it's illegal to some extent) I would just add turbo as the VTEC engines blend real well with turbo boosters!


-1 Rep right thurr :thumbdwn:

[|N|]

so say IF i get an engien conversion ... wat ppaper work needs to be done...

[Honda Enthusiast]

']-1 Rep right thurr :thumbdwn:

damn... reps getting given out like hotcakes!

[Honda Enthusiast]

so say IF i get an engien conversion ... wat ppaper work needs to be done...


Coming purely from an insurance perspective... new engine replacement papers and it's gotta get done by a qualified mechanic...this is about all I know... just ring your inurance company and ask!

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Doesn't have to be done by a qualified mechanic at all. The above poster is a full of shit e-mechanic who has never touched a spanner in his life.

You need to go to a blue-slip place and get them to check it out, and give you the change of details thing which you take to the rta. You'll most likely need proof of ownership of the engine.

As for rebuilds, how the hell is an insurance company ever going to know? And why would you tell them? Who the hell goes up to an insurance company and says, hey look mate i'm modifying my engine for more power, how's that going to affect my premium? Why not just bend over and lube yourself up then and there?

"Sorry sir we can't honor your insurance claim as we've opened up your block and found out that you replaced your old worn rings and bearings with new components." - Unlikely situation much?

[Fo55il]

Doesn't have to be done by a qualified mechanic at all. The above poster is a full of shit e-mechanic who has never touched a spanner in his life.

You need to go to a blue-slip place and get them to check it out, and give you the change of details thing which you take to the rta. You'll most likely need proof of ownership of the engine.

As for rebuilds, how the hell is an insurance company ever going to know? And why would you tell them? Who the hell goes up to an insurance company and says, hey look mate i'm modifying my engine for more power, how's that going to affect my premium? Why not just bend over and lube yourself up then and there?

"Sorry sir we can't honor your insurance claim as we've opened up your block and found out that you replaced your old worn rings and bearings with new components." - Unlikely situation much?

MMM - wouldnt it be smarter to go to the insurance company and tell them youve modded yoru car! cause if u mod your car and it is not in the contract then the amount of money u get for write off or accidents is equal to the amount you find in a dogs ass !!!
Unless u like dat amount !!!
U put a k20 in a gli civic and not tell insurance company - they not gon cover u for shit !!! so u need to tell them!

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You're in a dream world if you think you'll get back anywhere near what you spend on it.

[bennjamin]

You're in a dream world if you think you'll get back anywhere near what you spend on it.

cars are not an investment fullstop :) Its just another thing to spend our money on , avoiding the reality that one day we all need to grow up and spend that money on kids/partner/etc.

Anyway ~ you need to tell your insurance company as much as possible as it will affect your premium , and also payout figure. Why scamp on details if it ends up ur ride being cancelled of insurance etc ?
You only need to tell the RTA your new engine number as long as its within 15% increase of capacity

[yourfather]

i think you gotta tell the rta the new engine number regardless, you just need an engineers certificate if you're more than 15% change in capacity.

[[[d a n n y]]]

if your car is same capacity
ie
D16a----> B16a all u need to do is get a blue slip which will cost under 20 dollars
but say if your car was a 1.3L-----> 1.6L u need to get an engineers certificate which will set u back around 200ish Aus dollars
and after the engineers certificate u need the blue slip and then go to the RTA and change then numbers over..

in case of the engineers cerfiticate the new transplanted car must have identical specs or better brakes steering etc
or u wont pass.

[Zilli]

]']if your car is same capacity
ie
D16a----> B16a all u need to do is get a blue slip which will cost under 20 dollars
but say if your car was a 1.3L-----> 1.6L u need to get an engineers certificate which will set u back around 200ish Aus dollars
and after the engineers certificate u need the blue slip and then go to the RTA and change then numbers over..

in case of the engineers cerfiticate the new transplanted car must have identical specs or better brakes steering etc
or u wont pass.


thank god someone is finally talking sense + rep to you

[Honda Enthusiast]

MMM - wouldnt it be smarter to go to the insurance company and tell them youve modded yoru car! cause if u mod your car and it is not in the contract then the amount of money u get for write off or accidents is equal to the amount you find in a dogs ass !!!
Unless u like dat amount !!!
U put a k20 in a gli civic and not tell insurance company - they not gon cover u for shit !!! so u need to tell them!


Bingo! :thumbsup:

[Honda Enthusiast]

Doesn't have to be done by a qualified mechanic at all. The above poster is a full of shit e-mechanic who has never touched a spanner in his life.

You need to go to a blue-slip place and get them to check it out, and give you the change of details thing which you take to the rta. You'll most likely need proof of ownership of the engine.

As for rebuilds, how the hell is an insurance company ever going to know? And why would you tell them? Who the hell goes up to an insurance company and says, hey look mate i'm modifying my engine for more power, how's that going to affect my premium? Why not just bend over and lube yourself up then and there?

"Sorry sir we can't honor your insurance claim as we've opened up your block and found out that you replaced your old worn rings and bearings with new components." - Unlikely situation much?

If you were referring to me...then I would get a reality check!

Damn, you think Insurance companies are dumbos? Man, there's a thing called outsourcing...all insurance companies outsource motor-mechanical specialists if they want to investigate your claim...damn, advising people to pursue insurance fraud...you should be ashamed of yourself. :zip:

[NightKids]

man this guy is from a insurance company so he'll know what his talking about when it comes to insurance. +1 rep pt. to you Honda Enthusiast!

[Honda Enthusiast]

Cheers mate...

I'm just giving everyone my honest opinion... not trying to sound smart or top-shyte or anything... I don't like to comment on things that I am not familiar with, but when I do... I try to say it as honestly as possible.

Thanks again mte!

[Fo55il]

yaay i got a bingo !

but its pretty much common sense - like killing sum1 n leavin fingerprints !!!

[Fo55il]

modding and not telin insurance comany

[yourfather]

Well, if you're going to give your honest opinion, why not make sure that what you are speaking is the truth.

Rather than making up random bullshit.



I don't recommend reconditioning or replacing an engine...if you want more power (and of course it's illegal to some extent) I would just add turbo as the VTEC engines blend real well with turbo boosters!

Right, so replacing any engine for more power is illegal? The cops are allowed to do modifications to their motors to give them more power.
You're saying It's illegal to recondition your engine if you want to add more power. Theoretically, if you're changing pistons and rods and getting a brand new engine, you're getting more power, because you're back to factory specifications. Of course, thats more power. So going back to factory spec is illegal?

Man, you're a fricking idiot. Seriously.

I hope you don't work for my insurance company.

i wonder what you and all your Fu-Hen buddies are going to do on your weekends, put mugen stickers all over each others carbon fibre GT-wings, smother honda FEO oil on each other and wax lyrical about how you wish to one day win a ricer trophy.

Wait, a lot of the rice stuff is illegal, neons, being low to the ground, having a fart can on the back of the car. GT wings.

[Honda Enthusiast]

modding and not telin insurance comany


Yeah, I know bro...but unfortunately....some people think it's ok!!
Oh well.... they won't have a very bright future! :o

[Zilli]

most assessors these days have been in the trade and have exposure too, and having talked and worked with them for a long time, have actually perpetrated like most of us, small "bends" of the law here and there

they all know exactly what to look for, and get evaluted based on minimisation of repair costs... so i would definately think about what you do and dont tell your insurer... expecially these days

having said this there are some elements to what Sky is saying that are slightly all over the place...

if you are modifying your car tell them, if you think you can get away with it... try... an intake which can be replaced before it goees to be assessed may be something you can get away with, but headers which are highly polished, and continue into a full stainless echaust which has been crushed from a heavy frontal colision might be slightly more difficult to remove and replace and still ensure it looks as though it was part of the accident

On an underwriting front... no insurer is going to check to see if you have forged pistons or a blueprinted block because it costs too much, if there are blantant bolt on modicications, and the assessor is in a shit mood, AND you already have a bad history AND there is doubt off your honesty based on the inital quote AND the accident is going to cost 20k to repair or is stolen and recovered to be a total loss... THEN they will go into minute details to get out of it.

Thats why they will usually take your word for it when you list your modifications at the beginning, unless they go beyond guidelines, at which point they just wont cover you and send you to specialised companies

at the end of the day the individual has to weight up the pro's and con's

[Honda Enthusiast]

Well, if you're going to give your honest opinion, why not make sure that what you are speaking is the truth.

Rather than making up random bullshit.



Right, so replacing any engine for more power is illegal? The cops are allowed to do modifications to their motors to give them more power.
You're saying It's illegal to recondition your engine if you want to add more power. Theoretically, if you're changing pistons and rods and getting a brand new engine, you're getting more power, because you're back to factory specifications. Of course, thats more power. So going back to factory spec is illegal?

Man, you're a fricking idiot. Seriously.

I hope you don't work for my insurance company.

i wonder what you and all your Fu-Hen buddies are going to do on your weekends, put mugen stickers all over each others carbon fibre GT-wings, smother honda FEO oil on each other and wax lyrical about how you wish to one day win a ricer trophy.

Wait, a lot of the rice stuff is illegal, neons, being low to the ground, having a fart can on the back of the car. GT wings.


Hey arse-hole...open up, I think you got some shyte still stuck on your gums... :p

Listen up... my comments are purely based on my personal experiences, what i know...besides, I'm just voicing my personal comments as everyone else... if you think what I say is correct then listen to it and if not, then do what you want...it doesn't really affect me at all so why should I care...

Look, I already said to you and everyone else on her from the start that I am noob when it comes to cars... so what? no one is good at everything! and I think I am modest enough to admit that I am a noob to cars...done, happy?

Ok, moving straight ahead... yes, I do work for an insurance company...and have been doing so for for the last 10 years... however, I'm not saying that you HAVE to listen to me...just use your common sense... some mods are illegal - depending on age, type of car and power etc... you can't just mod the fark out of the car and expect the insurance company to not investigate and then cross your fingers and hope they won't decline your claim...man, last one of the previous posters said...it's just common sense... damn, you need some schooling... I took you to school yo!

Out... if you want to continue arguing with me...turn around and talk to the brick wall behind you! blabbering idiot! It's Hoons like you that stuff up our forums!


Sky

[yourfather]

how old are you 18?

[Honda Enthusiast]

most assessors these days have been in the trade and have exposure too, and having talked and worked with them for a long time, have actually perpetrated like most of us, small "bends" of the law here and there

they all know exactly what to look for, and get evaluted based on minimisation of repair costs... so i would definately think about what you do and dont tell your insurer... expecially these days

having said this there are some elements to what Sky is saying that are slightly all over the place...

if you are modifying your car tell them, if you think you can get away with it... try... an intake which can be replaced before it goees to be assessed may be something you can get away with, but headers which are highly polished, and continue into a full stainless echaust which has been crushed from a heavy frontal colision might be slightly more difficult to remove and replace and still ensure it looks as though it was part of the accident

On an underwriting front... no insurer is going to check to see if you have forged pistons or a blueprinted block because it costs too much, if there are blantant bolt on modicications, and the assessor is in a shit mood, AND you already have a bad history AND there is doubt off your honesty based on the inital quote AND the accident is going to cost 20k to repair or is stolen and recovered to be a total loss... THEN they will go into minute details to get out of it.

Thats why they will usually take your word for it when you list your modifications at the beginning, unless they go beyond guidelines, at which point they just wont cover you and send you to specialised companies

at the end of the day the individual has to weight up the pro's and con's


I never said that all mods are illegal! I know you're just trying to analyse the situation - but I never said this...

All I said was, some mods might be illegal or non-insurable...so I would check with the insurance company's first...that's all...some don't farken put words in my mouth all of you! Had enough of this bullshyte!

Man....just trying to help and I get this shtye!

[[[d a n n y]]]

settle down...keep it to pm's
dont abuse each other.
and let's stay on the topic

[yourfather]

danny there's a reason why this guy was banned.

[Honda Enthusiast]

how old are you 18?

Actually no...how old are you?

[yourfather]

im 24 dude, I've worked for an insurance company too, and I won't post bullshit advice unless I know what I am saying is right.

Now, why don't you get back to finding people to join your Fu-Hen clique.

[Zilli]

Well, if you're going to give your honest opinion, why not make sure that what you are speaking is the truth.

Rather than making up random bullshit.



Right, so replacing any engine for more power is illegal? The cops are allowed to do modifications to their motors to give them more power.
You're saying It's illegal to recondition your engine if you want to add more power. Theoretically, if you're changing pistons and rods and getting a brand new engine, you're getting more power, because you're back to factory specifications. Of course, thats more power. So going back to factory spec is illegal?

Man, you're a fricking idiot. Seriously.

I hope you don't work for my insurance company.

i wonder what you and all your Fu-Hen buddies are going to do on your weekends, put mugen stickers all over each others carbon fibre GT-wings, smother honda FEO oil on each other and wax lyrical about how you wish to one day win a ricer trophy.

Wait, a lot of the rice stuff is illegal, neons, being low to the ground, having a fart can on the back of the car. GT wings.


****in hell... hehehehe calm down bro

it's not illegal to reco your engine, if its the same engine number you can go stupid on the insides and who the hell is going to know, its more the boltons that you need to worry about. This is where Sky went off the rails a little bit. As stated before, if its a different motor, depending on what your doing you might need a blue slip or engineers. For all the insurance company knoww youve rebuilt your motor because it had a million k's on it.

For Insurance purposes, as long as mods are in line with road rules, andd they are noted (if the policy requires it) then its all good.

[Fo55il]

bro - if d insurance company dun cover em - eg in yo contract - i dun think they gon replace em - + if they find out they wont cover u at all - YES?

[Honda Enthusiast]

im 24 dude, I've worked for an insurance company too, and I won't post bullshit advice unless I know what I am saying is right.

Now, why don't you get back to finding people to join your Fu-Hen clique.


I'm older than you matie pal and I manage a team in an insurance company yo!

Look, I don't post bullshyte... I post what I know and nothing more... I boast not that I am experienced in cars... I am noob...but when I see a fellow OH member potentially getting into shyte...sorry, can't keep my mouth shut!

If it's easy, take it! Out...

[Zilli]

I never said that all mods are illegal! I know you're just trying to analyse the situation - but I never said this...

All I said was, some mods might be illegal or non-insurable...so I would check with the insurance company's first...that's all...some don't farken put words in my mouth all of you! Had enough of this bullshyte!

Man....just trying to help and I get this shtye!


why are you quoting my words then saying you didnt say anyhting was illegal... i didnt once use the word illegal there dude... and im not attacking you bro... just calm down, i just want to make sure people here dont get the wrong idea about things you said

[yourfather]

I'm older than you matie pal and I manage a team in an insurance company yo!

Look, I don't post bullshyte... I post what I know and nothing more... I boast not that I am experienced in cars... I am noob...but when I see a fellow OH member potentially getting into shyte...sorry, can't keep my mouth shut!

If it's easy, take it! Out...

wow so you have 5 people that handball phonecalls onto you when they f*ck up at the RACV call centre. congraturations.

[bennjamin]

gone WAY out of hand. Wanring to you all. Calm down and keep it to PM if u want to hassle about age/sex/mods etc.

This was about VTEC y0.