VTEC Sportivo...hang on wtf???

[bADbOYz]

http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7574

lol WOOOOOT

[Honda Enthusiast]

He can only dream! Toyota's are shyte....how dare they!! how dare they conduct such a transplant....

[VTECACCORD]

me wonders were they stole the engine from.

it makes no sense to buy a b18CR motor and put it in a heavy corolla.

the 1.8gts corolla engine is more than enough for it

[ginganggooly]

hah. waste of a good motor... :)

[Q_ball]

I rekon that would be an interesting swap :)

[joyride]

interesting ... yes
logical... no

[aaronng]

They worship Toyotas, and yet they know that Honda makes the best 4-cylinder engines. Sportivos wegh about 1225kg. If it was a base model Ascent, then it would be around 1180kg. Pretty light for a 4-door I reckon.

[barefootbonzai]

wtf that's some strange shit. doesn't sportivo engine make the same power as B18CR anyways? But just as a side note, that engine in the pic looks to me like a B16. Perhaps a frankenstyn. Intake manifold is B16.

[bADbOYz]

Interesting responses...lol

[Honda Enthusiast]

How dare they!!! hi hi hi....

But Toyota's are pretty reliable vehicles too! So yeah...

But remember, VTEC is unique and oh so powerful!

I got a friend that drives BMW z4...he says...when racing (on the track) with a honda...when VTEC kicks in...forget it...VTEC is way too powerful!

[Zilli]

wouldnt the logical thing to do is transplant a K20 rather than a B series

[CUL8R]

I got a friend that drives BMW z4...he says...when racing (on the track) with a honda...when VTEC kicks in...forget it...VTEC is way too powerful!
thats why u keep it in vtec, then therll be no "kick" and ull be fine


vtec toyota, never thought id see the day,what a chump!

[aaronng]

wtf that's some strange shit. doesn't sportivo engine make the same power as B18CR anyways? But just as a side note, that engine in the pic looks to me like a B16. Perhaps a frankenstyn. Intake manifold is B16.
They make the same peak power, but because the 2zz-ge doesn't have polished and balanced internals, there is less torque produced below high cam when compared to the b18c7. When you compare them both, the b18c7 is more flexible and responsive throughout the entire rpm range when compared to the 2zz-ge. Those who so fanatically love the vtec kick should try the 2zz-ge. The kick is very very strong. It's like transforming from a Barina to a DC5R in 1 second. Nice experience and fun, but in the end it is slow if below 6000rpm.

[Lex_EG93]

lol. why not just buy a honda? not logical..

[Vinnie]

But remember, VTEC is unique and oh so powerful!

I got a friend that drives BMW z4...he says...when racing (on the track) with a honda...when VTEC kicks in...forget it...VTEC is way too powerful!

lol, thats good sarcasm... neway, it does seem liek a sorta strange conversion to undertake but he wanted to do it so good for him :)

[xtercii]

just becos there is a jacked up car sitting next to a vtec, it doesn't mean the engine is going into that car...

[Lex_EG93]

so whats the point of this thread then?

[dsp26]

you guys should be flattered. at least they give A LOT of credit to Hondas where its due in that thread.

1-2 gear shift in a tsport for those of you who haven't driven one is a MASSIVE downfall for that car/engine.

[Lex_EG93]

true. . . now i feel bad. lol

[aaronng]

you guys should be flattered. at least they give A LOT of credit to Hondas where its due in that thread.

1-2 gear shift in a tsport for those of you who haven't driven one is a MASSIVE downfall for that car/engine.
Yup. Above 6000rpm, you can't even enter 2nd. As it gets worse, the RPM at which you are locked out of 2nd goes lower. My neighbour fixed his by getting a clutch pressure plate replacement. But he says the gearshift feel is still no where near my car (which I let him drive).

[bADbOYz]

Yup. Above 6000rpm, you can't even enter 2nd. As it gets worse, the RPM at which you are locked out of 2nd goes lower. My neighbour fixed his by getting a clutch pressure plate replacement. But he says the gearshift feel is still no where near my car (which I let him drive).

Takes practice man. With a clutch adjustment I can land lift on all gears. 1st to 2nd @ 8,000rpm requires backhand shifting (the stick needs to go slightly to the left as the gates are angled...weird I know). Took me ages before I could do all of that though. Sure teaches you how to quickshift :|. The 2zz's aren't very driver friendly but once you get the hang of them they're fun to drive hehe. Can't wait to get an HD clutch either, will be easier even more then.

PS: Honda respect ;)

[barefootbonzai]

hey badboyz, is that guy for real? Plus let them know it doesn't look like a b18CR. Wrong intake manifold and oil cap is not a Type R one.

[sivic]

will definately be an intersting swap. kinda the FWD equivalent to the F20C AE86 swap lol

[bennjamin]

looks like a EK B16a2 with a red cam cover

[JasonGilholme]

yeh I think it woul dbe b16 with red cover. Looks just like my motor but i've got a black rocker cover.

I've seen some sportivo's in action and I'm not that impressed. Lift only kicks in for a short time and its hardly usable.

VTEC engine in there tho and you'll have xtra-lift - VVTI-XL :P

[G-Stick]

sportivos are pretty strong and fast man. u shouldnt underestimate them like i did. vtec aint that great anyways

[aaronng]

yeh I think it woul dbe b16 with red cover. Looks just like my motor but i've got a black rocker cover.

I've seen some sportivo's in action and I'm not that impressed. Lift only kicks in for a short time and its hardly usable.

VTEC engine in there tho and you'll have xtra-lift - VVTI-XL :P
Huh? It's the same as in a b18c. 6000 to 8200rpm.

The only difference is that below 6000rpm, the b18c is much stronger.

[bADbOYz]

yeh I think it woul dbe b16 with red cover. Looks just like my motor but i've got a black rocker cover.

I've seen some sportivo's in action and I'm not that impressed. Lift only kicks in for a short time and its hardly usable.

VTEC engine in there tho and you'll have xtra-lift - VVTI-XL :P

Nah nah you 'somewhat' have a point, but the thing is like I stated before, if you know how to use the powerband given then the sportivo is a quick little b@stard. There are a LOT of people who own them and don't really know how to shift or drive them properly because it's a lot harder for them than any other car they've driven. I've also got a restored 1977 escort with a fairly horny motor/gearbox etc etc. I learnt in that thing rofl. Was so hard to drive (pushing the clutch in was OMGGGG heavy), so I guess really giving it to the sportivo wasn't too much of a hassle for me, although it did shyte me before I adjusted the clutch. Test drove the Type S btw. Seamless, requires bugger all effort woowwww :D.

Oh yeah, barefootbonzai, not too sure what this chap is up too. He's a bit of a stirrer sometimes (he's the quickest n/a sportivo on there w. 14.46 over the 1/4 too) so it 'could' be a trick haha. I've spoken to him before though, really nice guy. Doesn't have his head up his a55 like other people.

[barefootbonzai]

ehhehe kool kool. I like sportivo's anyways, my mate has one. And yeah, all you guys paying them out, they are quite quick. Pics of my mates ones is in the pics i posted up in the apperance gallery.

His car would beat any EK4 and on pair with DC2R's rollin. (they a bit slow off the line)

[bADbOYz]

You know Wei Wei!!! (Willy!)

He's awesome man...awesome. True JDM too like you guys ;) lol

[JasonGilholme]

I'm not saying they're totally useless. I've known a few people with these cars and they do go quite well....i guess i was just expecting more.

[bADbOYz]

I'm not saying they're totally useless. I've known a few people with these cars and they do go quite well....i guess i was just expecting more.

I was expecting more in terms of drivability too man, trust me. All that is ironed out now though. Still have an itching to do something big with another car later on, but want practicality too. I've been looking at AE86 Corolla's, and even doing a project on an R32, but I'm pretty found of the N/A scene now. An AE86 or a little EG hatch civic with a hot B18 or B16 in it is starting to appeal to me. They're sexy little things those EG's (and EK's).

[barefootbonzai]

just a question for you sportivo boys, has anyone put the tivo engine into an old rolla? like 92 model. - i was gonna get one before i got into honda's.

[bADbOYz]

That hasn't been done yet due to the fact all the 2zz's are still in celica's or corollas haha. I think they are still very $$$ too. I know that a crate 2zz-ge motor from Japan is $10,000AU.

Although it could be being done as we speak? Who know's *spooky music*

[dsp26]

what gets me is why toyota didn't put the 2zz in the mr2 spyder.
don't get me wrong i'm a massive fan of Honda but that would have been a great track/drag contender against tegs


Yup. Above 6000rpm, you can't even enter 2nd. As it gets worse, the RPM at which you are locked out of 2nd goes lower. My neighbour fixed his by getting a clutch pressure plate replacement. But he says the gearshift feel is still no where near my car (which I let him drive).

mate was his an aftermarket item? coz i know toyota recalled them and replaced ecu/clutch/tranny oil but it was still kinda there but not as bad. would love to tell my mate how your mate eliminated it.

[xtercii]

doubt anyone would bother putting 2zz in the old generation rollas, they are just not sporty looking enuff and get dated badly

[muhhan]

A car is just metal so I don't see why you wouldn't put anything in anything if you wanted to. The question you should ask yourselves is "why wouldn't you put that motor in that car?" not why would you.

Live the dream! Whatever your dream is.

[aaronng]

A car is just metal so I don't see why you wouldn't put anything in anything if you wanted to. The question you should ask yourselves is "why wouldn't you put that motor in that car?" not why would you.

Live the dream! Whatever your dream is.
Yup, you can put anything in any car. Even hamsters.

http://japanese.engadget.com/images/2006/03/VW_Rear_Dr_Open1_PScopy.jpg

[sivic]

what gets me is why toyota didn't put the 2zz in the mr2 spyder.
don't get me wrong i'm a massive fan of Honda but that would have been a great track/drag contender against tegs



this is very true. the Spirit MR-S has shown what results from it

[SuperDave]

what gets me is why toyota didn't put the 2zz in the mr2 spyder.
don't get me wrong i'm a massive fan of Honda but that would have been a great track/drag contender against tegs

mate was his an aftermarket item? coz i know toyota recalled them and replaced ecu/clutch/tranny oil but it was still kinda there but not as bad. would love to tell my mate how your mate eliminated it.

I think the MRS (not MR2) used the 1zz-fe because it was targeted more to hairdressers to be driven on sundays. Proven by most being sold as autos (no offence to any auto drivers :P). Toyota thought the 2zz in the MRS wouldn't appeal to anyone, and take sales from the Celica. There have been quite a few swaps in North America. example (http://forums.c7performance.com/showthread.php?t=11979)

Also there seems to be confusion regarding the gearbox problems. About 50% of the prefacelift sportivos came out of the factory with clutches which were adjusted wrong. Once that is fixed by a dealership who actually knows something, the gearbox is good to go. If you know anyone who wants to get it fixed, check out the TOCA forums for people who have found good dealerships, but in Brisbane try Sci Fleet.

[barefootbonzai]

That hasn't been done yet due to the fact all the 2zz's are still in celica's or corollas haha. I think they are still very $$$ too. I know that a crate 2zz-ge motor from Japan is $10,000AU.

Although it could be being done as we speak? Who know's *spooky music*

K20 would cost in the same price range, but honda peeps are putting them in eg,ek,dc,ef,ed etc.... You guys just ain't leet enought ahahahahah

[aaronng]

I think the MRS (not MR2) used the 1zz-fe because it was targeted more to hairdressers to be driven on sundays. Proven by most being sold as autos (no offence to any auto drivers :P). Toyota thought the 2zz in the MRS wouldn't appeal to anyone, and take sales from the Celica. There have been quite a few swaps in North America. example (http://forums.c7performance.com/showthread.php?t=11979)

The MR-S (or MR2 here in Australia) was designed to be an open top cruiser. Why a cruiser? I have no idea. But below 6000rpm, the 1zz-fe has more response and power. That's why they used the 1zz. But of course, for motorheads like us who value speed and acceleration, the 2zz would have been the better choice. And, the lighter MR-S would not have the problems of weak acceleration when on lowcam.

[bADbOYz]

K20 would cost in the same price range, but honda peeps are putting them in eg,ek,dc,ef,ed etc.... You guys just ain't leet enought ahahahahah

:P haha.

I've know a few people abroad to do 2zz conversions in the Mr2 chassis. OMG, absolute rocket. One guy turbocharged his also. That was going a bit overboard, the thing stepped out everywhere :eek:

[Newcivic]

hey dang its the bb's garage project.. thats the sportivo i was tell u about :cool:

[PreludePace]

Maybe there Planning to transplant a real body in when they can afford it, how dare they waste such a good motor in a toyota. They been wathcing the 'honda dream' add too much and think that the motor is only the dream and no the other components.

[sivic]

dude, settle down. its not a bad car. would take it over a prelude :p
honda snobs:o

[bADbOYz]

hey dang its the bb's garage project.. thats the sportivo i was tell u about :cool:

I did the design work for bb's garage logo and corportate ID haha ;)

Oh yeah, in reference to an old post...the clutch wasn't an aftermarket upgrade at all...just an adjustment. Toyota Australia screwed up a lot of things on our cars. Luckily they require minor attention. Lucky :S

[VT3C]

Honda considers themselves an engine manufacturer above all else and you cannot argue that their motors are brilliant.. so why wouldnt you want to get a honda motor in your non-Honda ?

I have an OPTION2 mag with a DODGE NEON with Turbo B18C conversion.. not to mention all the Mini's rockin B16's and B18CR's in Europe.. perfect sleeper type street surprises//

[bADbOYz]

Honda considers themselves an engine manufacturer above all else and you cannot argue that their motors are brilliant.. so why wouldnt you want to get a honda motor in your non-Honda ?

I have an OPTION2 mag with a DODGE NEON with Turbo B18C conversion.. not to mention all the Mini's rockin B16's and B18CR's in Europe.. perfect sleeper type street surprises//

Bingo ;)

I'm a Toyota Lift-o-holic, but I'm starting to get real horny for an EG Civic hatch project hahaha.

[hurstyboy]

that looks like an awesom idea....id give it about 2 lines of praise and it does make me ponder why a lil more saving wasnt done to get the type r engine but im craving to see how it turns out

[ATSEK4]

Even they got the engine.. they can never get our awesome body shape and set up. Honda = CORNER KING.

[wuism]

in last years japan auto salon, there was a mr-s with a k20a.....

fits well....

[bADbOYz]

Even they got the engine.. they can never get our awesome body shape and set up. Honda = CORNER KING.

It's actually not too far off, although he's running coilovers, and stabilizers. He was outhandling S2000's and an RX7 on track day.

However you put coilovers etc on a little eb or ek or something and whammo. Wow...instant handling prowess.

But yeah, it's actually not too bad. Stock they are terrible lmao.

[Mattski_VTIR]

Even they got the engine.. they can never get our awesome body shape and set up. Honda = CORNER KING.

Its all about the double wishbone front and rear in the ek4/dc2 :thumbsup:

[ErazeR]

guys this might sound funny, but i actualy drove a sportivo and it actualy hammers hard, first of all the vtec comes on so hard that the wheel starts to lose control, no honda has that much vtec torque
and i raced a type r, both stayed equal so my opinion is that a sportivo is a very good car for its money

[bennjamin]

guys this might sound funny, but i actualy drove a sportivo and it actualy hammers hard, first of all the vtec comes on so hard that the wheel starts to lose control, no honda has that much vtec torque
and i raced a type r, both stayed equal so my opinion is that a sportivo is a very good car for its money

the wheel might be torque steering because it might not have a LSD ?

[Mattski_VTIR]

guys this might sound funny, but i actualy drove a sportivo and it actualy hammers hard, first of all the vtec comes on so hard that the wheel starts to lose control, no honda has that much vtec torque
and i raced a type r, both stayed equal so my opinion is that a sportivo is a very good car for its money

I would think the suspension setup (far from that in a dc2r) and lack of LSD help play a big part in that! None the less they are good value for money, but not on par with an R or S in terms off refinement (chassis, gearing, suspension) stock for stock, mod for mod.