Gees request to Moderators

[Snoop_gee]

I am not gonna swear ma head off ... all i want to do is take a very logical approach and i would hope the people reading this would have the common sense to talk to me like a valued member of ozhonda.

When i was informed(by a friend mind u) my thread to sell a 10" sub was removed. due to the fact i had made more than 1 thread to sell i was lost :confused: Why? i will tell u why cause they were spaced out... the thread to sell a headunit was posted ages ago and when i mean ages i mean ages and the 10" sub was posted recent.

but wat gets me is the way it was done! No PM was sent out to say kindly change or delete or move my thread.:confused: It was just done and that was the end of that.I mean i was to figure this out once my friend told me!!! :thumbdwn: Is that how its meant to be.. Okay so u might say read the rules before u post. But i think taking 2mins of ur time to send a PM isnt asking much.

You would have to realli wonder why OZhonda.com got hacked in the first place. every1 i meet particular honda owners can onli ask me hey man u hear about when ozhonda got hack'd (laughing about it)...

Winode or panda [crx] why r u giving powers (moderator rights) to ppl that just make ozhonda a rather an uncomfortable and unpleasant experience.

All i want is moderators to treat members with a bit of respect and maybe inform the ill informed.

example:


Dear Snoop_gee

Please read the trading post rules. We do apologies but your thread has been removed .. LINK <blah blah blah>.

Thanks
Ozhonda - Moderating team




Who is responsible to deleting my thread?
A bit more humaness would be great instead of this power trip... non-sense.
Gee :wave:

[yfin]

How about you settle down. If you want to be treated with respect - perhaps treat others in the same way. Saying all this rubbish about "power trips" is not the right way to approach things.

Posting up things for sale costs you NOTHING at all - how about you use the money you saved in advertising to buy yourself some perspective.

Anyway, it is clear to all (it is visible in the for sale section) that your thread was deleted by Bennjamin. The reason given - Keep all sales in ONE open thread thanks.

Why does he need to PM you if it is clear to everyone? You can read the reason. It was no secret. As a reason was given to you in a public forum - a need for a private PM is unnecessary.

Moreover, your "deck" is still for sale, which you say was ages ago - regardless it is still for sale. It is in your signature "For sale: Deck (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42256) and 10" JL sub! (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50197)"!!!

I really think you should apologise for these "power trip" comments and the nature of your post - totally uncalled for in light of what I have said above.

ps. Panda is not a moderator.

[Snoop_gee]

my humble apologies there for using the term power trip... SORRY!

But i wouldnt mind a more personal approach from the Mod team towards myself (snoop_gee)... maybe i am asking a bit much?

thnx yfin for taking the time to explain it to me...

[panda[cRx]]

uncalled for gee

and i don't see why i have anything to do with this. i am not a moderator and i have NEVER moderated the for sale section :confused:

[yfin]

my humble apologies there for using the term power trip... SORRY!

But i wouldnt mind a more personal approach from the Mod team towards myself (snoop_gee)... maybe i am asking a bit much?

thnx yfin for taking the time to explain it to me...

I know what you are saying but it would be a lot of work to PM a user everytime a thread is deleted, closed or moved. It is far more efficient to put the reason in the thread - everyone can see the reason.

You don't need to rely on your friends to tell you the item has been deleted. It is your for sale thread - if you check it often enough you will see if it has been edited, moved, etc (and a reason by a moderator is given in the thread).

[Q_ball]

You don't need to rely on your friends to tell you the item has been deleted. It is your for sale thread - if you check it often enough you will see if it has been edited, moved, etc (and a reason by a moderator is given in the thread).
Exactly right!

You should've been on top of your own FS threads.
You have no one but yourself to blame for finding out that your thread was deleted or moved.

Making comments about how OzHonda was hacked just goes to show how shallow and ill informed you are about the whole situation.

Like yfin has mentioned above, be thankful that you even have a free means of advertising.

[Zdster]

You would have to realli wonder why OZhonda.com got hacked in the first place. every1 i meet particular honda owners can onli ask me hey man u hear about when ozhonda got hack'd (laughing about it)...

Winode or panda [crx] why r u giving powers (moderator rights) to ppl that just make ozhonda a rather an uncomfortable and unpleasant experience.

All i want is moderators to treat members with a bit of respect and maybe inform the ill informed.


Well, I do take some offense to comments that are thrown around like that. As a mod (and I am pretty certain I can speak for all of the mods here) we all try our best to make sure the site is run smoothly and operates to the benefit of the entire community.

Had your first thread been closed (ie the one about the headunit) then this would not have been an issue. Besides the terms and conditions, it is really just making it fair to everyone who sells things through ozhonda to allow a single for sale threads for member so that things are kept tidy.

This is really not an issue about Wyn delegating power, rather moderators doing their jobs and enforcing the forums rules and regulations. From what I can tell you are having issues with these.

[wynode]

Seems to be abit of a trend here Gee:

http://www.crxaustralia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537



is it just me or is every1 experiencing the same thing. Loading takes forever and in some cases it wont even load at all. Certainly other websites and even other automative club forums loads in an instant.

This has happened a few days now... is this forum setup on a cheape plan where by its hosting sever is in a mud hut in narobi on 28.8k transfer rates or something
http://www.crxaustralia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453


Thread deletion i made a thread called "Ma Bike" in the victoria section, i have clearly had it deleted with no PM or nothing as to why it was deleted. http://www.crxaustralia.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif there are other bike threads on here aka Panda CRX and jonstons threads wats going on http://www.crxaustralia.com/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif

Why was it done? http://www.crxaustralia.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif

[T-onedc2]

.......Okay so u might say read the rules before u post..............
Well it is a reasonable expectation and all part of the terms & conditions no?

[wynode]

From what I can see the headunit thread had a last reply of 20/8/2006 and his sub thread was created on the same day.

The problem is with having multiple threads on the first page which inconveniances it for others who's threads get pushed down.

Feel free to comment guys/girls.

[yfin]

From what I can see the headunit thread had a last reply of 20/8/2006 and his sub thread was created on the same day.

The problem is with having multiple threads on the first page which inconveniances it for others who's threads get pushed down.

Feel free to comment guys/girls.
Yes - it had a price drop to $800 and was clearly still for sale. So both threads were in the "recent" pages of the for sale section. The date of creating a thread is not really relevant if it is a recent thread in terms of posts.

[Felix]

I too think that some of the more recnt moderators seem to be on a huge power trip!!!!

Simular thing happening here with the links below, and nothing was/has been done. And this isnt a sub its a whole car. Plus it was proved that the seller was lying about the kms on the car..

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33700&highlight=locote

http://ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49149

[EK9]

From what I can see the headunit thread had a last reply of 20/8/2006 and his sub thread was created on the same day.

The problem is with having multiple threads on the first page which inconveniances it for others who's threads get pushed down.

Feel free to comment guys/girls.
Exactly the reason.

The rules have been created purely to be fair to everyone on this forum. So 1 "active" sale thread per member is allowed. Even if a member has another thread which is open but basically dead, we will ignore it of course... common sense.

And it's not about power or being rude, it's about efficiency and also about members playing their part. Ben and everyone else not only moderates, but they browse and contribute to the forums. If all we did was moderate, pm, hand out rep points, etc we simply wont have lives! LOL.

My message at the end of each day - this is a fair, free forum on the internet, don't expect too much and show some love ;)

[yfin]

I too think that some of the more recnt moderators seem to be on a huge power trip!!!!

Simular thing happening here with the links below, and nothing was/has been done. And this isnt a sub its a whole car. Plus it was proved that the seller was lying about the kms on the car..

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33700&highlight=locote

http://ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49149
Care to give some examples of these power trips? Generalised comments are not really convincing.

As for those links - so what. You found some threads that were NOT moderated. Do you seriously expect moderators to pick up everything? That is unrealistic.

And be careful about who you accuse of lying. If you read those threads carefully - you can see the buyer says he made a mistake and apologised for typing up the wrong odo reading.

[wynode]

Yeah I can't see any power trips in those thread either?

But guys/girls.......if we do miss a thread/post (it does happen because we can't monitor everything) then simply report the post.

I take accusations of mods being on a 'power trip' seriously so feel free to pm or email me.

I can't as yet see an example of this though ?

[matt]

this is my take on this from a members POV on the 'power trip'

i think we've all had threads/posts deleted for what ever reason and most people probably thought they were justified threads/posts.

when they get deleted it is annoying/irritating what ever you want to call it.
and there have been lots of threads/posts deleted/moved recently, most of what i've seen justified and i guess some people may feel its a 'power trip'. but things must be moderated.

i think what im trying to say is that moderators must moderate, and what seems right to mods may not be seen as right to the member involved and that will always cause friction.

and if i read Snoop gee's post properly he was more asking why a PM wasn't sent to him re the deletion which the rules which we all must abide by, and he did break, does say should occur. tho some of his comments are uncalled for.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44616 (rules)


but at the end of the day i feel that the mods here do a good job :thumbsup:

[yourfather]

the dude probably had a full PM box.

[bennjamin]

As for those links - so what. You found some threads that were NOT moderated. Do you seriously expect moderators to pick up everything? That is unrealistic.


If you look - those threads are almost 1 YEAR apart ( 12/05 to 8/06) so its hardly our fault if another member has decided to bump it up :)
BTW 1st link deleted / moderated.

People generally complain of such small things when its their own fault for not reading rules or taking more than a few seconds to PM a moderator and discuss in private. Its that easy :)
I believe as a team we are doing a great job , more than any individual on here or anywhere can ask for.

[SINISTR]

I can see the ideas in this discussion, and I see things going in circles.

Its a tough decission for both the seller and the mod...
Seller: i've advertised something 4 months ago (eg: wheels) and now I wanna sell stereo gear - do I add it onto the old thread or start a new one. Sometimes you can't be stuffed looking 5-10 pages back trying to revive an old thread - so you start a new one.
Mod: do I keep it or delete it?

There has to be some give and take - if a thread hasn't been active for over a month for example let people start a new one - one month is 10 pages back.

Alternatively do a clean up, add on some more categories in the forsale sections: audio, car parts, wheels, mods etc etc - do some seperations so that the single for sale thread isn't 150 pages long.

I know if I was to sell something NOW i would not be looking for a thread I started 1 month ago to ADD my new items onto it - unless the thread was active in the first 2 pages.

[Twincam16]

I believe some of the newer mods should spend slightly more time on reading a post and analyzing it before moving a thread or deleting it. Some of the moves ive seen/experienced have been rediculous.

Please, take the time to read them in more detail and from other perspectives, not everyone on OzHonda is a noob.

Great job regardless... Just thought id throw that up.

[DreadAngel]

I can see the ideas in this discussion, and I see things going in circles.

Its a tough decission for both the seller and the mod...
Seller: i've advertised something 4 months ago (eg: wheels) and now I wanna sell stereo gear - do I add it onto the old thread or start a new one. Sometimes you can't be stuffed looking 5-10 pages back trying to revive an old thread - so you start a new one.
Mod: do I keep it or delete it?

There has to be some give and take - if a thread hasn't been active for over a month for example let people start a new one - one month is 10 pages back.

Alternatively do a clean up, add on some more categories in the forsale sections: audio, car parts, wheels, mods etc etc - do some seperations so that the single for sale thread isn't 150 pages long.

I know if I was to sell something NOW i would not be looking for a thread I started 1 month ago to ADD my new items onto it - unless the thread was active in the first 2 pages.

But it isn't exactly that hard, some of the other members are editing, adding, etc to their sale threads with a ton of items without any problem at all. As for myself, you can check if you like, once my sale for that thread is finished, its closed straight away, I do it myself. I would think that if I had a relatively recent thread (say a month for argument sake) then I'd simply edit the first post with the new items, them bump it up with a new post. If you want to search for your old thread if your not subscribed, go to the advanced search, put your username in and bingo, its not hard.

As for the moderators, they're doing their job, like us as members, they as moderators enforce the rulings, yes they 'could' be more humane and PM you but they're all busy like us, they don't have all the time to moderate the forum. They all got studies or work to do. They do what's necessary to keep the forum maintained and moving. I don't see any power trips, in fact I think its getting better cause they have more time than the previous moderators (No Offence guys, you know I wuv you)

Thats my take on it, Rules and Conditions are there, if the OH staff can give their extra time to keep the forum going, we as members must to our bit to make their job easier and abide by the Rules, simple really

[CRXer]

I think it would be a courtesy to all other users & mods if everybody would look after their own FREE advertising.

As dreadangel said its not hard to do an advanced search of the for sale section of your own user name & clean up all your own threads.

Now that u can change the thread title, maybe change any redundant threads u have to a title of CLOSED.That way a mod can just search CLOSED titles & delete the threads that come up.

It wouldnt be hard to keep your threads up to date either,by just simply deleting anything that has been sold,so there is less crap to sift through.

I would prob just delete anything that hasnt been active for 3,maybe 6 months also.

People,do us all & yourself a favour, & clean up after your own selves.

[SINISTR]

I agree about the search feature...

[yourfather]

yeah but some people cant even be stuffed going to wikipedia and start threads like "What does FTW mean" etc etc.

There's no way to have a self regulating community of this size.

[heist]

yeah but say you have sold one thing per month for 5 months and you have 10 pages of replies to your for sale thread, its too messy inside the thread, fair enough it keeps the forum clean, but it gets messy inside the thread....plus i sometimes think, wow that thread is old it mustnt have any new stuff ect, it just a bump.... thats what sh!ts me....

i agree with the notion of separate sub forums for the for sale section.

[wynode]

this is my take on this from a members POV on the 'power trip'

i think we've all had threads/posts deleted for what ever reason and most people probably thought they were justified threads/posts.

when they get deleted it is annoying/irritating what ever you want to call it.
and there have been lots of threads/posts deleted/moved recently, most of what i've seen justified and i guess some people may feel its a 'power trip'. but things must be moderated.

i think what im trying to say is that moderators must moderate, and what seems right to mods may not be seen as right to the member involved and that will always cause friction.

and if i read Snoop gee's post properly he was more asking why a PM wasn't sent to him re the deletion which the rules which we all must abide by, and he did break, does say should occur. tho some of his comments are uncalled for.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44616 (rules)


but at the end of the day i feel that the mods here do a good job :thumbsup: I was waiting for someone to reffer back to the rules :thumbsup:

In there it says that when a thread is deleted the user needs to be PMd. This was during the time where users couldn't see deletion notices (this has since been changed and users can now see deletion notices).

I'll update that now but you need to understand that it just creates more work for moderators when they have to PM a user each time.

[SiR JDM]

Id just like to add that when it comes down to it, moderaters make a mental judgment on the spot, sometimes unknowingly against the T&C.
We dont get paid for any of this, and we do make mistakes.