Supercar V8s at Tsukuba?

[spetz]

Just wondering if these Aussie V8 supercars have ever been at Tsukuba?

If they have what times did they do?
And if they haven't, has anyone ever made a guesstimate of what they'd do?

[sivic]

i highly doubt. the V8's have only got so far as Shanghai so far. and thats only been in the past couple of years.
they prob wouldnt clock an overly impressive time as its a pretty tight circuit for the most part, and while i dont want to sound anti domestic they arent known for their handling prowess when compared alongside other cars on the international racing scene.

[Tessai]

im guessing with no restrictions on tyres, aerodynamics or power, then a sub 1 min run is possible.

im just having an guessing here

[aaronng]

they prob wouldnt clock an overly impressive time as its a pretty tight circuit for the most part, and while i dont want to sound anti domestic they arent known for their handling prowess when compared alongside other cars on the international racing scene.

V8 Supercars turn very well. And no, they don't use Commodore or Falcon chassis. They use tubular space frames. Even the engine has very little in common with the domestics other than being a V8 and running on petrol. If V8 supercars can ever "afford" to pay to run at Tsukuba, it would be nice to watch.

The only reason why they can't turn at as high a speed as a JGTC GT500 car is because of the lack of downforce. On the upside, they take a beating and can still keep going. If you tap another JGTC car, you'll probably cause suspension damage.

[DreadAngel]

Nope, the "V8 Supercars" have only gone to Shanghai internationally to my knowledge, I think the V8 will go reasonably well but compared to the GT Cars, I don't think so...

[T-onedc2]

The Tom's team used to have James Courtney (now in V8 Supercars) driving one of their GT500 V8 Supras, they brought it down to Phillip Island where he had some laps and acheived a best lap time 10 seconds faster than a V8 Supercar.

[amurray]

would be nice to see them at Tsukuba... esspecialy lines up against a group A gtr like the ones used in bathurst....

[spetz]

I wasn't really trying to compare them to the JGTC cars though

I have the new autosalon magazine with a Jun produced Evo 9. It is still "road legal" and uses the stock gearbox etc
And has done a 55 odd second lap time at tsukuba

So, this is essentially a reasonable highly tuned street car (even though mods are relatively simple, and still uses a TD-06 turbocharger)

Then, I am just wondering, can these Aussie "supercars" even be quicker than a modded street evo/jap car?

[sivic]

V8 Supercars turn very well. And no, they don't use Commodore or Falcon chassis. They use tubular space frames. Even the engine has very little in common with the domestics other than being a V8 and running on petrol. If V8 supercars can ever "afford" to pay to run at Tsukuba, it would be nice to watch.

The only reason why they can't turn at as high a speed as a JGTC GT500 car is because of the lack of downforce. On the upside, they take a beating and can still keep going. If you tap another JGTC car, you'll probably cause suspension damage.

i would put it down more to weight than anything, considering they have a minimum weight restriction of 1350KG. and although they do have amounts of reinforcment from a tubular chassis they are still based off the original floorpan.
they arent horrible handlers but on the scale of things they still dont corner that fast. and i'm not comparing them to karts or JGTC. the V8 supercars have their strong points and thats on tracks with longer straights and lnger corners.
considering the nature of tsukuba i wouldnt expect them to be competing in the same league as the GTR's and EVO's frequenting the time time attacks.
these cars dominate not only because of their 4wd and massive horsepower but because they are built for short time attacks and can therefore put reliability lower on the list of priorities in comparison to a V8 supercar.
sub 1 minute......... maybe but i wouldnt count on it. fact is the cars lapping in these times are purpose built for short time attacks while the V8s are built with endurance being a large priority. each car makes sacrifices in certain areas to achieve their ultimate goal. the time attack cars would be useless for an extended race as they would most likely break if driven like they are for prolonged periods

[sivic]

granted it would be great to see them on the track

[panda[cRx]]

Nope, the "V8 Supercars" have only gone to Shanghai internationally to my knowledge

lol and i guess NZ is now a state of australia? :p

[Vinnie]

']lol and i guess NZ is now a state of australia? :p
lol pwned :) neway, i rekon the v8's shood never have never gone to shanghai coz as much as i like to see them getting more exposure, its aussie heritage and only aussies will really be able to apprecate them. asia has gt, europe has touring cars, america has nascar and we have the v8's. and although its tru that they are far removed from the stock versions of the falcon and commodore, becoz of their layout (larger, heavier rwd) they are not suited really to tighter circuits... im happy to c them continue to run around bathurst, oran park, etc for the time being :) jus my 2c...

[DreadAngel]

May as well add the kiwis to Australian controlled borders =P

[SiReal]

i've always wondered how our home grown varieties would battle against BTCC, JGTC. How F1 against Indycar...

[WhiteAP1]

What might be a good indication/comparison is to see whats been down here in OZ. Have a look at whats run at 24hr bathurst, or what may have had a shakedown at PI, then compare times.

[barefootbonzai]

Didn't they run some skylines down at bathurst some years back, and it whooped all the V8 Super cars, then banned it from ever happening again because it made the V8's look bad.

[sivic]

thats pretty much the idea of it.
the R32's basically took any competition out of it. they used to run M3's and Cosworth RS2000 Escorts in the same division as well.
now everythings been phased out except for 2 cars............ how boring

[DreadAngel]

Didn't they run some skylines down at bathurst some years back, and it whooped all the V8 Super cars, then banned it from ever happening again because it made the V8's look bad.

As you know, Australia did have a GT Championship but it was being dominated by the R32 GT-R then by the RX-7 so the cheapo sore losers made regulations so that it was impossible for them to enter which to me is very childish not to mention its like admitting defeat

[amurray]

v8 supercars = BORING... i mean its one of to options... ford or holden... should through the skylines, supras, evos, wrxs, rx7/8s in there and see the differance... amagine the bitching u would get from the " true " v8 fans... thinking that there big v8s can beat everything... but dont want to race against the jap cars cause its not fair

[spetz]

What might be a good indication/comparison is to see whats been down here in OZ. Have a look at whats run at 24hr bathurst, or what may have had a shakedown at PI, then compare times.


Yeah but those races are unfair

From my understanding last year when that holden monaro won, that in fact it should not have been allowed to be raced.

Not only was it too far off a production line car, but the car was supposed to be built solely by holden but audi or porsche or both helped them build it?

Anyway, no offence to any aussie, but **** these aussies I am so sick and tired of them conviniently changing any rules just so whatever they want to win, does win

stupid piece of shit holden! dinasaur shit those cars and I hate the attitude of most people who drive these waste of parking space shit!!!

[sivic]

yeah that monaro that won the 24 hr Bathurst race was modified to ridiculous point compared to any of the other cars in there. it was essentially a production car race yet i'm yet to see a 7litre monaro for sale lol.
still, horses for courses i guess. it was an endurance race and they built an engine that wasnt required to be run overly hard to produce power, due to its displacement, plus it had massive top end. perfect for Bathurst which is all about straights and long corners. however, i dont think it would go so well at Le Mans where a much higher degree of handling is required.

[DreadAngel]

Bah, it was like the mini GT series they had with the Vipers, Lambos, Ferraris, Porsches, etc... Everyone else HAD to run restricters where the Monaro was able to run unrestricted and when they claim victory, I was like, you sore losers, can't compare to the real thing so you restrict them...

[spetz]

Was there an excuse/reason given for the monaro being able to race?

I mean really it didn't mean race requirements!
And cost 2 million to make!
As opposed to other cars at the fraction of the price

And all these Holden drivers actually think Holden won because it is a good car... haha what sad ass mother ****ers!

[DreadAngel]

Nope and all the school kids bought it saying the Monaro slay all the European and American Top guns... Stupid I tellz ya!

[spetz]

I'm just happy my NA 2 litre creams their V8's :)

Stupid holden is just a waste of parking space!

[sivic]

meh, holden fans can think what they want. ignorance is bliss

[spetz]

ignorance is bliss
Word...

[martin]

u sure ur NA 2.0L can cream v8's lol ive seen heaps ov hondas get rippped sideways by v8s dun get me wrong or n e thing i luv my honda and also lik my holdens...

[barefootbonzai]

4 cylinder 2L vs 8 cylinder 5.xL .....

[TYPE-ONE]

tsukuba in length is quite similar to barbagallo raceway in perth.

[todaek9]

You just haven't seen one that smoke V8 like a piece of salmon.



u sure ur NA 2.0L can cream v8's lol ive seen heaps ov hondas get rippped sideways by v8s dun get me wrong or n e thing i luv my honda and also lik my holdens...

[Vinnie]

the hrt 427 was undoubtebly a beast, and im a ford man who drives a honda :o but if noone else is able to have one then there really isnt much point boasting about it is there? especially wen the stock monaro, tho still a respectable car, is so far removed from it...

[jdmlvn]

i smoke my v8, like i smoke marijuana.

hahaha

[spetz]

u sure ur NA 2.0L can cream v8's lol ive seen heaps ov hondas get rippped sideways by v8s dun get me wrong or n e thing i luv my honda and also lik my holdens...

The 5 litre V8's are a joke...

5.7 fair enough I have no hope :)
Hopefully not for long though

[d15z1SUX]

5 litre holden v8s they made like what.... errr 185kw or 215kw if it was the higher spec one... WOT THE?!

[spetz]

I have even beaten quite easily the HSV clubsport in manual and auto (the one before VT, I think VR? Or VS?)

[aaronng]

This is going off topic. Tsukuba..... V8 Supercars.... those are the key words!

[Hondavirgin]

Yeah spetz, thats the last of the holden V8s (5.0L)., i doubt anything other than a fairly modified car would be taking on the later 5.7s or the new 6.0.

Plus, what was with comparing the V8s to the JGTCs, it's like comparing an F1 car to a formula ford in terms of aero packages! I doubt that a JGTC would be much faster than a V8 if the V8s were granted the same sort of aero freedom, and that would come into it a bit at Tsukuba i would think, coz of the long straight into a long sweeping final corner.

Like people have said though, Tsukuba is really not suited to the big heavy V8s, too tight and twisty.

[aaronng]

Like people have said though, Tsukuba is really not suited to the big heavy V8s, too tight and twisty.
Yup, it's even too tight for JGTC cars. ARTA's 2002 NSX does 57 seconds in the wet, while a Jun B18C EG civic does 62 seconds. 500hp vs 220-240hp...... and weights are similar.

[spetz]

Yeah spetz, thats the last of the holden V8s (5.0L)., i doubt anything other than a fairly modified car would be taking on the later 5.7s or the new 6.0.


Actually my friends 2L with some mods was dead even with a 5.7L caprice (the ones with the TVs)
He had 3 passangers though, friend just had me in the car

[jko2]

nah I rip most late model v8s with ease, and my mod list is quite simple, just a slightly upped final drive and a light flywheel really.

[aaronng]

Thread is going towards street racing.
Closed.