View Full Version : Broken Crankshaft/Bendix wheel
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 03:29 PM
Hey Guys,
Was driving my ED civic to uni on monday, cut the long story short. I parked my car in the car park. When i went back to start the car it wouldnt start, so NRMA said the starter motor has gone. Got it towed to auto electrician and got a starter motor and fixed cost $330. But the bad news is the car wont start, the auto electrician said the crankshaft and Bendix wheel has been destroyed. He said thats due to raising the rpm and driving too hard. Anyways, dont know what to do with my car. Thinking of just getting a new engine. How much is it gonna cost ?? Anyone drive rashly enough to break the crankshaft and Bendix wheel ?
aaronng
31-08-2006, 03:31 PM
Don't let an auto electrician diagnose your engine. Get a Honda specialist to do it. Gone to Hanny's yet?
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 03:37 PM
Nah car doesnt start, cant move only towed. NRMA guy said it was starter motor spent $330. Still didnt fix the problem so now they tell me its Bendix wheel and crankshaft. He said it will cost $1000 labour, cause i have to open up the whole engine and replace the parts and put it back together. Just thought it will be cheaper to drop a engine in. I serviced the engine every 5k been in family from pretty much new. Got all the services done and timing belts changed etc. Just guess ive been driving it too hard, enough to break a crank shaft i find it hard to believe.
aaronng
31-08-2006, 03:46 PM
Crankshaft doesn't break unless you changed the crankshaft seals and replaced them improperly.You spin bearings and stuff, but not break crankshafts and not with an N/A engine.
Replace your engine if you have to, but don't get cheated out of $1330 by NRMA and the auto electrician and still not have a drivable car at the end.
sivic
31-08-2006, 03:49 PM
for it to suddenly not work makes me think electrical prob. did you explain the circumstances to the auto spark?
yeah, go take it to a proper mechanic for a diagnosis.
RMN15N
31-08-2006, 03:53 PM
Hey, ive got one of the possible answer for your car.. ur crankshaft might be rounded off at the tip so the pulley doesnt stay on ? so it wont start all the belts fell off right?
well you can drop by GPC and ask them for a quote.
there prices for a SI engine + labour = about 1200 at most and thats replacing all those other little things too. worth.
better then going to some dodgey mechanic and forking out 2 grand on a motor thats crap..
do i get rep?
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 04:01 PM
Yeh i think im gonna get a new engine.
This is what the auto electrician told me. The starter motor there is a gear wheel, it goes into the the engine and rotates the Bendix wheel and comes back. The Bendix wheel teeth are broken, and the bendix wheel is connected to the crank. Quite pissed of i spent $330 on a starter motor that wasnt gone at all. Anyways, calling up wreckers to find a engine.
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 04:07 PM
Crankshaft rounded of at tip ? Mate how is that possible ? Isnt the pulley on the outside and yeh its on there not fallen off. No belts have not fallen off.
RMN15N
31-08-2006, 04:11 PM
trust me it happens.. ive experienced it.. the end of the pully was chewd out and so was bits of the crank and also around it there was no more thread to lock the pulley in
either way in your shoes ur looking about min 900 banana's
heist
31-08-2006, 04:12 PM
wtf is a bendix wheel?
do you mean fly wheel?
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 04:19 PM
The Bendix wheel is attached to the fly wheel mate. The starter motor there is a gear wheel, it goes into the the engine and rotates the Bendix wheel and comes back.
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 04:21 PM
RMNI5N 900 bananas for what ? The new engine including installation ?
RMN15N
31-08-2006, 04:22 PM
RMNI5N 900 bananas for what ? The new engine including installation ?
no, 900 bux minimum honestly ud b probably looking around the 1200 mark thats if its an si..
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 04:27 PM
ohhh im so unlucky. :-(
mj3610
31-08-2006, 05:56 PM
how many ks has your car done?
Yeh i think im gonna get a new engine.
This is what the auto electrician told me. The starter motor there is a gear wheel, it goes into the the engine and rotates the Bendix wheel and comes back. The Bendix wheel teeth are broken, and the bendix wheel is connected to the crank. Quite pissed of i spent $330 on a starter motor that wasnt gone at all. Anyways, calling up wreckers to find a engine.
What is that mechanic talking about? A Bendix gear is the component which engages the teeth on the engine flywheel ring. If the Bendix gear is broken, it certainly does not mean your crank shaft is broken!!! and you certainly do not need to change the drive shaft, much less the flywheel.
If your car's manual, you might be able to bump start the car, but I don't recommend it unless you know exactly whats wrong.
Reckon you've been fed alot of bull shit. I'd spend a bit more and get the car towed to a more reliable mechanic. Penny wise pound foolish.
Hey, ive got one of the possible answer for your car.. ur crankshaft might be rounded off at the tip so the pulley doesnt stay on ? so it wont start all the belts fell off right?
do i get rep?
You're on the wrong side of the engine...
Try this as part of the trouble shooting.
http://ctci.org/membership/Gilsgarage/StarterBendix.htm
http://www.softcom.net/users/w6rec/duane/bmw/starter/starter.htm
aaronng
31-08-2006, 07:15 PM
trust me it happens.. ive experienced it.. the end of the pully was chewd out and so was bits of the crank and also around it there was no more thread to lock the pulley in
either way in your shoes ur looking about min 900 banana's
LOL, starter motor is on the cam gear side of the engine. Accessory pulleys are on the other end. Wrong info dude. Don't assume that everyone elses problem is the same as yours.
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 07:16 PM
e240 i think he meant my flywheel ring has broken its teeth or the flywheel is gone. Have any of you guys managed to break your flywheel on a stock engine ? Im gonna get it checked out by another mechanic, but the NRMA guy said it was the starter motor. The Auto electrician says its the engine, pretty weird especially when i changed the timing belt and do services every 5k. Anyways, let us know if youve managed to damage your flywheel or anything similiar happen to you, howd you fix the problem ?
aaronng
31-08-2006, 07:21 PM
e240 i think he meant my flywheel ring has broken its teeth or the flywheel is gone. Have any of you guys managed to break your flywheel on a stock engine ? Im gonna get it checked out by another mechanic, but the NRMA guy said it was the starter motor. The Auto electrician says its the engine, pretty weird especially when i changed the timing belt and do services every 5k. Anyways, let us know if youve managed to damage your flywheel or anything similiar happen to you, howd you fix the problem ?
Seriously, get your car towed to Hannys, and get it diagnosed. You won't find out what is wrong without pulling off the gearbox and looking at the flywheel. All people can give you are guesses in this case since you can't be sure til you open it up.
Mrrevolution
31-08-2006, 07:40 PM
Ok thanks guess thats what i should doo, im sure they can tell what the problem.
RMN15N
01-09-2006, 01:02 AM
You're on the wrong side of the engine...
yeah soz after reading it again ive noticed i have given inaccurate info..
well all the information you need is on this page already so
GL with the problem dude
LOL, starter motor is on the cam gear side of the engine. Accessory pulleys are on the other end. Wrong info dude. Don't assume that everyone elses problem is the same as yours.
LOL - another one...
Cam Gears on the pulley side, Starter motor's on the flywheel side...You are also on the wrong side of the engine.. :wave:
aaronng
01-09-2006, 01:47 PM
LOL - another one...
Cam Gears on the pulley side, Starter motor's on the flywheel side...You are also on the wrong side of the engine.. :wave:
LOL, I keep getting confused with my K series. :) My starter motor is on the passenger side of the car and I keep thinking that the cam gears are on the same side (it's on the driver's side. 'doh)
ECU-MAN
01-09-2006, 11:24 PM
is this ED Auto or manual
Iv never heard the term bendix wheel.
if its a manual then its the teeth on the fly wheel
if its a Auto then its the ring gear ( with teeth ) on the torque converter.
the crank doesnt usually get damaged on the gearbox side,
it usually sheers at the pully side. if this was the case you would know about it
if your ED is a manual, you should be able to push start it with the problems you have.
RMN15N
01-09-2006, 11:44 PM
LOL, starter motor is on the cam gear side of the engine. Accessory pulleys are on the other end. Wrong info dude. Don't assume that everyone elses problem is the same as yours.
wrong infro -4 points tsk tsk..
iamhappy46
08-09-2006, 08:24 PM
The diagnosis counds like crap to me.
Remove the spark plugs and get the engine rotated over by hand(using a socket/breaker bar) in the CORRECT direction. If it turns over, then the engine is OK.
The flywheel bolts could have been damaged/broken and stopped the flywheel/flex plate from cranking the engine as well.
Do not be fooled into replacing a perfectly good engine when it could be OK. It needs a proper diagnosis and I can safely say from what you have told us, your being fed BS... no make that Elephant S!
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