Horny for Boost :D

[Klayemore]

OK, I have an 88 CRX with a ZC and the boost bug has bitten me after being around my mates Turbo TX3 Laser. I'm looking to buy a 2nd hand turbo kit and do the install myself (going to do a compression test etc first). It's going to work out cheaper than doing a B18C conversion aswell.

Just wondering peoples good / bad experiences when turboing Honda engines. And if they have used used their stock ECU etc.

The ZC is in OK condition and has around 150,000 kms on the clock. Regularly serviced (I've only had it for about 30,000 kms though). I'll be planning on running 8psi on stock internals until I have the funds to rebuild it.

Also, what have others done to hide their setup from cops? I was thinking black intercooler, heatsheild over the manifold & plum-back BOV behind the frontbar.

Cheers :)

[Mrrevolution]

hey mate,
too fast 2 furious performance have honda D-series Turbo kits for your car.
Kit comes with 12 month warranty/60000kms.
Comes with
T3/T4 Stage 3 Turbocharger (more than enough for stock internals)
Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold
35mm Wastegate
Easy Bolt-In installation
$1700
email Toofast2furiousperformance@pacific.net.au
phone (02) 9349 1154

[Klayemore]

Thanks mate. Does that include cooler and piping? Also, where are they located?

[Mrrevolution]

All the piping for the intercooler and intercooler installed will be looking at around 1k. If you go intercooler you can run much higher than 8 psi but you would also require upgrade internals injectors and fuel system.

[Klayemore]

PM sent for more info :)

[destrukshn]

what waste gate?
what brand turbo?

[LVNIT]

So what does that $1700 turbo kit do for engine management?

[Mrrevolution]

Call them up kinda busy, post later on tonight. You can get extra add ons and stuff. Call them up, i know a guy who got a Grreddy style racing wastegate 40 mm for $400.

[destrukshn]

tial/greddy "style" waste gates are crap, always fail lol.

and probably doesn't come with management, expect another 2grand on top for a stand along ecu, installion of hte ecu and tuning.

[Klayemore]

I'll be running on stock ECU on 8psi until I can fork out money for an aftermarket. I've heard stock ECU's are fine for small Boost applications?

I've been recommended to upgrade to a Microtech when the time comes.

[destrukshn]

6 psi is more better than 8.
i'd run 6, but that's just my personal opinion.

[jimmeh]

I'll be running on stock ECU on 8psi until I can fork out money for an aftermarket. I've heard stock ECU's are fine for small Boost applications?

I've been recommended to upgrade to a Microtech when the time comes.

i heard wrong. y dont u run uberdata is free pornstar on these forums can hook you up
http://ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50457

[Klayemore]

6 psi is more better than 8.
i'd run 6, but that's just my personal opinion.

Well what about 7?? :p

And I have to upgrade my stock ECU to a newer one anyways to run uberdata correct? What exactly is it? just software?

Thanks guys.

[Waggy]

Whateva you do Klaye - DON'T take your car to Kaos.... damn they suck.

I've seen that red TX3 around - is that your mates? It's pretty nice for a Ford.

Since you are looking to build your engine I would recommend going with a GT series turbo - ball bearing and you can up the power much easier with these without causing too much thermal stress on the engine (ie: more boost).

I haven't done a turbo install myself but I've been researching for the past 3 months since I've decided to go turbo and I'd be more than willing to help since you're in my area, if you need, gimme a buzz on PM. :)

[Klayemore]

Thanks mate.

I wouldnt take my pride n joy anywhere near that hell hole don't you worry about that :p

And yeh there are 2 red TX3's around - both my mates. One is RWD, one FWD. I work with the guy that owns the FWD one. Goes pretty good for a 1.6 running 15psi. It's fkn fun to drive aswell. The AWD one is just a bloody beast.

I'm still looking at turbo options - The kit I was looking at has a gt25/30 but he isnt sure if he is selling or not (will know by the end of the month)

Kit includes:
its a gt25/30 turbo with external wastegate
custom turbo manifold for ZC/d16a
custom dump pipe for 2.25" exhaust
polished turbo intake & cooler piping
custom intercooler
HKS Super Sequential BOV

I'm researching like a bastard aswell - I'd be pretty confident that I can handle most of it, but it's things like finding the right injectors, fuel pump ECU etc that will be the difficult bit. Also finding somebody to actually tune the bloody thing (may have to take it down south).

[Waggy]

Not bad mate! Sounds like a pretty nice kit, make sure you check the manifold over tho, for cracks and the such. Is it a log or equal length/ramhorn manifold?

If you can afford (I've check out your site mate - designers are paid pretty well aren't they? :p just pullin' ya leg), I would try and get an Apexi Power FC for an ECU, much easier to tune and you can basically take it anywhere.

Prolly APC in Brisbane would be your best bet for a tune - I only trust about 3 businesses in CQ and none of them do dyno tuning. And the problem is, mention the word "Honda" to this town and they say "Ho...Ho....Holden?", therefore I have no faith.

[Klayemore]

And the problem is, mention the word "Honda" to this town and they say "Ho...Ho....Holden?", therefore I have no faith.

BAHAHAHA so true :p I have people asking if my car is an Alfa Romeo etc. Bloody bogans.

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6255/p10204672ib.jpg

Theres a pic of the manifold / turbo. Would be great if he sold, otherwise I'll have to start looking elsewhere (d-series manifolds are a bitch to find) Money is providing to be a problem ATM too - I got a loan out to do something to my engine, but enfded up blowing it on rims, coilovers, exhaust and god knows what else. If I have money I have to spend it.

And yep, APC would be on my list

[Waggy]

LOL ahhh funny shat.

Yeah looks pretty good - that's a log manifold so should be pretty straight forward to install.

Damn bro - lol, can't help yourself? Yeah I'll have to finance to do my build after I buy the unit I'm living in early next year. So it will be at least 6 months until I start, and the turbo kit I like is going to cost me $8,500... yikes.

I would build a "kit" myself to save money but I can't find anyone that does piping and clamp kits for EM1s.... do you know of any Klaye?

[Klayemore]

Mate you probably know more than me! You would definetely have to go down South somewhere to get custom piping made up. I haven't seen many turbo EM1's so looks like you're outa luck! :p

And damn thats an expensive kit, I'm guessin ur goin all out then?

[Waggy]

Yeah I'll have to ask around I think...

Yeah man - it's a Full-Race Stage 1 GT kit with a GT2860RS (Disco Potato). www.full-race.com (http://www.full-race.com)

Bel-Garage in Sydney can source it for $8,500...which is WAY exxy due to the freight and customs fees. I was hoping to cap turbo kit expenses to about $6K - which is why I'm trying to peice one together myself.

Where is FM studios by the way? I might VTEC past later LOL

[Klayemore]

BAHAHA. 17 East street man, next to Renny's cafe, across from the Byte Centre. I'll keep an ear out :p

[Waggy]

Keep an ear out at about 4:15pm or so - I'll do a fly-by. Got a Spoon N1 exhaust so you should hear me coming ;)

I work at Ergon in Alma st - the big white building.

[Klayemore]

Mmmm Spoon..... will do man, you'll prolly see the CRX parked on the side of the road. I think I know where Ergon is... Awesome.

[Waggy]

No worries man - WAG61 on the # plate too, black EM1.

Is that turbo kit seller on these forums? Or local?

[Klayemore]

Yeh he should be on here, he's from CRX Australia. Its just the setup from his CRX which he's thinking of scrapping for parts coz he'll never get the money back he spent on it.

[Waggy]

That sounds pretty good then mate - make sure you get what you pay for.

Oh and how was that by the way? Around 7000rpm of B16 goodness. ;)

[saxman]

The $1700 turbo kit first mentioned sounds exactly like an SSAC kit... absolute piece of flaming shit. Do not buy it, do not support any company that sells such shit.



Also, the stock ecu CAN NOT be used... at least not in stock configuration.
It will not work for 1 psi, it will not work for 7 psi. When it sees boost through the map sensor, insta-safe mode. Car stops working.

There are some solutions to this... you can chip the ecu... for an obd0 application, look at turboedit. You can install check valves/missing link at the map sensor so the ecu doesn't see boost. You can install a new ecu.


Whatever you do, you need engine management... this is THE most important part of the turbo set up. If you can not afford engine management, YOU CAN NOT AFFORD A TURBO FOR THE CAR.

turboedit, like uberdata, is a very inexpensive set up to run... less than a vafc is goign to cost you, and vastly superior.

The missing link set up to bypass the map sensor is really quite crappy. You need proper fueling and timing to run the motor well, and completely bypassing this is just a recipe for disaster.

[Waggy]

^ Nice information.

Where can Turboedit be found... and considering your in the US - does anyone know who in Oz can tune it?

[Klayemore]

The $1700 turbo kit first mentioned sounds exactly like an SSAC kit... absolute piece of flaming shit. Do not buy it, do not support any company that sells such shit.



Also, the stock ecu CAN NOT be used... at least not in stock configuration.
It will not work for 1 psi, it will not work for 7 psi. When it sees boost through the map sensor, insta-safe mode. Car stops working.

There are some solutions to this... you can chip the ecu... for an obd0 application, look at turboedit. You can install check valves/missing link at the map sensor so the ecu doesn't see boost. You can install a new ecu.


Whatever you do, you need engine management... this is THE most important part of the turbo set up. If you can not afford engine management, YOU CAN NOT AFFORD A TURBO FOR THE CAR.

turboedit, like uberdata, is a very inexpensive set up to run... less than a vafc is goign to cost you, and vastly superior.

The missing link set up to bypass the map sensor is really quite crappy. You need proper fueling and timing to run the motor well, and completely bypassing this is just a recipe for disaster.

Thanks heaps for that mate, very helpful.

And Waggy - Yeeaaah boi! Sounded sweet as :D

[saxman]

pgmfi.org for turboedit info

[Mrrevolution]

So guys,
Whats the ulimate turbo setup ? Best bang for your buck turbo kit for stock internals ?

[Mrrevolution]

Does best bang for your buck involve getting custom made parts.
Be specific like brands and where to source them from.

[Waggy]

I guess there is no one "bang for your buck" combination of Forced Induction parts that will get you the "best result". It really depends on what you want the car to do - straight line top end, street usable power, or response for tracking?

The first question you really have to ask yourself is, what do you want the car to do, or what are you using it for?

[saxman]

waggy, you nailed it on the head... there's no way to say what a best bang for the buck kit is without knowing the use of the car. What may work for a drag only car won't be applicable to a street car or a road race car.


And yes, best bang for the buck does involve putting a kit together yourself... you're never going to get it buying a manufactures' kit

[Klayemore]

So basically what I'm gonna be lookin for is:

Manifold & turbo, wastegate, dumppipe, intercooler & piping, larger injectors, upgraded fuel pump, ECU.

Then if i want to up boost later on, rebuild the internals. Correcto?

[saxman]

pretty much covers it

[Mrrevolution]

How about a turbo kit with similiar performance to a B18c7, and low running cost ? Any ideas what turbo and parts to use ?

[Mrrevolution]

For his ZC block, to get power up to a b18c7 any ideas ?

[Klayemore]

Cheers. If I install everythin and wire up the ECU - can I drive it to a tuner, or would it be best to get it towed?

[Waggy]

Yeah mate - that's pretty much the mumbo.

This will be sweet - 2 turbo Hondas in CQ by next year ;)

[saxman]

b18c7 isn't really that high of a level to strive for. On a stock internalled ZC, you may end up with a little less HP than a c7, but the huge gains in torque will more than make up for it.

just grab a nice log manifold, something like a t3 60 or a t28(or if you have the money to spend and want a REALLY nice set up, a gt28rs), run it around 8-9 psi with some good tuning, and you're good to go.



Klayemore... have the tuner burn you a basemap, and drive the car very gently to the tuner, and you'll be just fine.

[Waggy]

Hmmm - yeah the problem here though Saxman is our tuners are 700kms away whereas in the States it seems every town has at least 60 tuners in it. :p lol

That's a tough call man - I would be half tempted to trailer it to Brissy eh? Again - lemme know if you need a hand.

[Klayemore]

Yeah mate - that's pretty much the mumbo.

This will be sweet - 2 turbo Hondas in CQ by next year ;)

Well the thing is - I'm moving to Sunny Coast in December, January... So.... No there won't be :p Sorry, but I have to get out of this hole haha.

I'll probably start it after I've moved to make things alot easier, and give me more time to research.

[Klayemore]

b18c7 isn't really that high of a level to strive for. On a stock internalled ZC, you may end up with a little less HP than a c7, but the huge gains in torque will more than make up for it.

just grab a nice log manifold, something like a t3 60 or a t28(or if you have the money to spend and want a REALLY nice set up, a gt28rs), run it around 8-9 psi with some good tuning, and you're good to go.

Klayemore... have the tuner burn you a basemap, and drive the car very gently to the tuner, and you'll be just fine.

Cheers Saxman. Yeh I was thinking I could get as much power out of the ZC as the B18, and once the internals can get rebuilt then it will be even more :D

[Waggy]

Well the thing is - I'm moving to Sunny Coast in December, January... So.... No there won't be :p Sorry, but I have to get out of this hole haha.

I'll probably start it after I've moved to make things alot easier, and give me more time to research.

:thumbdwn: That sux.

You gotta get outta here? Dude I'm 4 years older than you and I've been trying to get outta here for about the last 8 years....

Ghey....I'm so depressed now - everyone gets to get outta here but me! :(

[Klayemore]

Well then do it man :) It's not THAT hard.

I've been wanting to for years, but I'm finally gonna pull my finger out and do it.

[saxman]

Hmmm - yeah the problem here though Saxman is our tuners are 700kms away whereas in the States it seems every town has at least 60 tuners in it. :p lol

That's a tough call man - I would be half tempted to trailer it to Brissy eh? Again - lemme know if you need a hand.
learn to tune yourself... for a conservative set up, it's really not that hard... I taught myself and have never had a problem with any car I've tuned.

[LVNIT]

Are you using Crome or Uberdata? OBDI/II?

When I was using Uberdata with an OBDII car, i had countless amount of problems at the start, but got it all working eventually.

[saxman]

I use uberdata... crome just doesn't sit well with me. I've done all my tuning on obd1 cars.

[Klayemore]

Thanks all. I'm even tossing up the idea of getting a B16a half cut and turboing that, as the ZC has done over 150,000 now...

What ECU from which car will I actually need to use Uberdata etc?

[saxman]

pretty much any obd1 ecu will work fine... p30, p28, p72, p06, etc

[Klayemore]

Thanks - I'll have to read up on what car has what

[saxman]

P30=b16a
P72=b18c
P28=d16z6
p06=d15b7

[Klayemore]

Cheers heaps :D

[Klayemore]

If I was going to give a ZC to somebody in QLD for a rebuild before going turbo, who would it be? Would be looking to spend around 2 grand for the rebuild, then about 6 for a full-race kit.

Recommendations etc... Cheers

[Limo]

dude i'd recommend you import the full-race manifold and buy everything else locally. it works out cheaper due to alot less shipping fees/tax etc.

[Klayemore]

Was thinking that aswell... Would be hell cheaper.

[Waggy]

Definately - buy the FR Manifold man and get the rest local. RoguePI on ebay can hook you up with most turbo stuff at a decent price.

[Klayemore]

Thanks man havin a look now