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nick_7g
09-09-2006, 04:18 AM
Hey all, I was wondering if there is essentially any difference between different rear camber kits (like spoon vs ingalls)?
Also, a workshop told me i would need a kit just because I have 18's on my car. Does that seem right to people. I assumed i would only need one for a greater than 1.5" drop.
While I'm typing, I'll ask if anyone has had good experiences with A/M front strut bars. Are thay as much bang for your back as the rear?
Cheers all
A workshop told you a camber kit is required for fitting 18s (ie no drop involved)? Mental note for you - don't use that workshop.
Everyone with the Ingalls kit I have spoken to is happy. On the US forums the Ingalls kit also gets a thumbs up 99% of the time. As for the Spoon kit - I don't know anyone who has it because it is more expensive than the other options out there. Do a search as there are quite a few camber threads now - some people report sqeaking from some of the options out there (not Ingalls).
I got my Ingalls kit in the USA for the obscenly cheap price of $172AUD (obscene compared to the $400+AUD that same kit costs in Australia). I guess shipping is not cheap as it weighs about 5kg (from memory - don't quote me) but if you ship by surface from the USA 5kg is not expensive.
The front strut is worth while - there are a couple of threads about it so do a search. It is not as much bang for buck as the rear though.
Good luck.
nick_7g
09-09-2006, 04:30 AM
A workshop told you a camber kit is required for fitting 18s (ie no drop involved)? Mental note for you - don't use that workshop.
Everyone with the Ingalls kit I have spoken to is happy. On the US forums the Ingalls kit also gets a thumbs up 99% of the time. As for the Spoon kit - I don't know anyone who has it because it is more expensive than the other options out there.
I got my Ingalls kit in the USA for the obscenly cheap price of $172AUD (obscene compared to the $400+AUD that same kit costs in Australia). I guess shipping is not cheap as it weighs about 5kg (from memory - don't quote me) but if you ship by surface from the USA 5kg is not expensive.
Good luck.
Yeh, a guy at IS told me that. I thought it was a little sus.
Also, I got a quote of $200 today for the ingalls kit. I thought that sounded like a good deal.
I was looking at this http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50768&highlight=front+strut+euro
Why would no one b interested in changing their front strut bar?
Yeh, a guy at IS told me that. I thought it was a little sus.
Also, I got a quote of $200 today for the ingalls kit. I thought that sounded like a good deal.
I was looking at this http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50768&highlight=front+strut+euro
Why would no one b interested in changing their front strut bar?
If you can get the Ingalls from a reputable source for $200AUD - snap it up immediately - don't ask questions save for checking it is the correct part number. Also check it is for BOTH rear sides as the kit comes in two boxes and it is possible to buy each side separately.
As for no one buying the strut brace - believe it or not we have lots of Euro members here but I think I am right in saying only a small proportion actually modify the vehicle in any way (save for perhaps rims and a drop).
Chris_F
09-09-2006, 09:42 AM
I recently spoke to Trav (egSi) about getting a front camber kit.
he sent me this link:
http://eibach.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.exe/05148.8.3335881832300032317?
I never knew eibach made a front camber kit for the CL9 so he's going to find out about it for me and see if he can get them in. I already have a fulcrum rear camber kit that does the job well, but it seams eibach also make a rear camber kit which may be worth checking out.
You see, when you lower the euro the front camber remains relatively stable and unchanged but the rear starts increasing fairly quickly. I want more camber at the front than the rear to reduce understeer and increase grip at the front.
Without a drop like yfin said you will not need any form of camber kit to keep your allignment within spec if the car hasn't been lowered.
A strut bar up front makes steering response feel a bit tighter and when coupled with the cusco lower arm bar type II it really tightens up the front end of the chassis and the 'dead spot' in the steering wheel all but dissapears completely. The strut looks nice in the engine bay too.
Also about the 'rear strut' i assume you're talking about the rear sway bar? They function in a different way to a strut bar (reduce the independence of the left and right susspension keeping the car flatter around corners). You'd have to chop up your seats to fit a rear strut bar on the euro :p
edit: also found out that ingalls now make a front camber kit in addition to the rear. Both sold here (http://www.heeltoeauto.com/Ingalls-Camber-Kit-CL7-9-TSX-Front-Ball-joint-pr-2236.html) for US$75
nick_7g
09-09-2006, 12:25 PM
Just to ask a totaly silly question. i need to get two of each kit right? One for each wheel. I dont suppose its $75 for both sides.
Chris_F
09-09-2006, 12:37 PM
yes i believe you need to order one for the left and right of the car, to be sure just double check with the seller. It'd be great if $75 was for both sides
tony1234
09-09-2006, 12:50 PM
Hey all, I was wondering if there is essentially any difference between different rear camber kits (like spoon vs ingalls)?
Also, a workshop told me i would need a kit just because I have 18's on my car. Does that seem right to people. I assumed i would only need one for a greater than 1.5" drop.
While I'm typing, I'll ask if anyone has had good experiences with A/M front strut bars. Are thay as much bang for your back as the rear?
Cheers all
Like yfin says,give that workshop a wide berth.I first used a kmac camber kit on mine but it squeaked so my guy recomended the eibach one $300.00(fitted it no charge).I've got a rear bar fitted 18mm.it's great.I was told not to worry doing the front one.
Chris_F
09-09-2006, 12:56 PM
yea the front isnt neccessary to correct camber as it doesnt change much at all with lowering, i actually want to use a front camber kit to increase front camber for better handling/more grip
Lowenhart
09-09-2006, 01:53 PM
Where are you getting the Ingalls kit from
Where are you getting the Ingalls kit from
First let him confirm it is $200 for both sides first. I saw the same thing on ebay - a cheap price and then in fine print down the bottom it said you needed to purchase the kit twice to do the entire rear of the vehicle.
EuroDude
10-09-2006, 01:40 AM
nick u are getting coilovers as well right? The original dampers wont last long on lowered euros (about a year maybe).
nick_7g
10-09-2006, 03:44 AM
I'll check the price for you all on monday.
nick u are getting coilovers as well right? The original dampers wont last long on lowered euros (about a year maybe).
I assume dampers=shocks? Yeh, i wouldbe getting coilovers. Probably Tein SS.
Ferrarista
11-09-2006, 12:43 PM
Im having troubles finding a camber kit so any help would be appreciated
driven
11-09-2006, 01:04 PM
Spoon/vision(essentially the same product but the spoon branding carries a premium) has camber kits for the euro!
http://www.spoon.jp/jp/products/images/lineup/109_01.jpg
http://www.spoon.jp/jp/products/images/lineup/109_02.jpg
http://www.spoon.jp/jp/products/images/lineup/109_03.jpg
all these are going onto my car something this month, if anybody's interested, i can take pics of the installation and do a review.
I was previously running a comptech rear sway bar and the stock front sway bar then i switched to
http://www.tohatsu-springs.co.jp/stabilizer/stabi.jpg
which actually induced more understeer on tight corners....:(
but i felt better turn in response.
(can't do a comparison with a stock car as i never tracked the car when it was stock)
tried to soften the front and stiffen the rear which reduced the understeer but it was still present.
Hopefully camber adjustments will improve the car.
aaronng
11-09-2006, 01:10 PM
I was previously running a comptech rear sway bar and the stock front sway bar then i switched to
http://www.tohatsu-springs.co.jp/stabilizer/stabi.jpg
which actually induced more understeer on tight corners....:(
but i felt better turn in response.
(can't do a comparison with a stock car as i never tracked the car when it was stock)
tried to soften the front and stiffen the rear which reduced the understeer but it was still present.
Hopefully camber adjustments will improve the car.
Hi Marc! That's because the swift bars upgrade the front sway stiffness, but the rear is similar to the comptech 22mm. So you get better response, but more understeer because overall, what you did was increase the front stiffness compared to the overall stiffness ratio.
Ferrarista
11-09-2006, 01:15 PM
Spoon/vision(essentially the same product but the spoon branding carries a premium) has camber kits for the euro!
http://www.spoon.jp/jp/products/images/lineup/109_01.jpg
http://www.spoon.jp/jp/products/images/lineup/109_02.jpg
http://www.spoon.jp/jp/products/images/lineup/109_03.jpg
all these are going onto my car something this month, if anybody's interested, i can take pics of the installation and do a review.
I was previously running a comptech rear sway bar and the stock front sway bar then i switched to
http://www.tohatsu-springs.co.jp/stabilizer/stabi.jpg
which actually induced more understeer on tight corners....:(
but i felt better turn in response.
(can't do a comparison with a stock car as i never tracked the car when it was stock)
tried to soften the front and stiffen the rear which reduced the understeer but it was still present.
Hopefully camber adjustments will improve the car.
Where did you get the kit from? If you dont mind saying, how much did you pay for it?
Thanks
driven
11-09-2006, 01:19 PM
actually, i was kind of expecting it to understeer but wanted to see what the japs have to offer and how it would change the handling characteristics of the euro.
the front diameter wise is fairly similar to stock but it weighs twice as heavy, rear is slightly thicker than stock but again, twice as heavy. The increase in stiffness would therefore be attributed to a difference in material rather than an increase in thickness.
the comptech is much thicker and heavier though and would probably be stiffer than the swift.
swift is rated at F 115% stiffer and R 130% stiffer.
I bought the vision suspension arms off jolt/rod. he had them but didnt fit them and he sold the euro so i got them off him.
aaronng
11-09-2006, 01:44 PM
actually, i was kind of expecting it to understeer but wanted to see what the japs have to offer and how it would change the handling characteristics of the euro.
the front diameter wise is fairly similar to stock but it weighs twice as heavy, rear is slightly thicker than stock but again, twice as heavy. The increase in stiffness would therefore be attributed to a difference in material rather than an increase in thickness.
the comptech is much thicker and heavier though and would probably be stiffer than the swift.
swift is rated at F 115% stiffer and R 130% stiffer.
The stock front sway is a hollow 25.4mm bar. That's why the swift is heavier and stiffer. If you follow the ratings that whiteline uses (just for example), going from 14 to 22mm is 510% stiffer!So the swift rear is a big downgrade from your comptech. I notice that racing coilovers for the Euro have much stiffer rears compared to street coilovers, so maybe that compensates for the rear sway.
Chris_F
11-09-2006, 02:10 PM
Marc what range of adjustment does the vision front camber kit have?
nick_7g
11-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Hey, JDMYard gave me a price of $250+install for the ingalls rear camber kit (both sides). Just to let you all know.
To order it from america, the cheapest price i found was about AUD$370. If anyone knows where they can be bought for less than AUD$250, please let us know.
driven
11-09-2006, 02:19 PM
Marc what range of adjustment does the vision front camber kit have?
ohh, no idea! i'll have to get back to you after i get them fitted and getting my alignment done.
Ferrarista
11-09-2006, 02:28 PM
Hey, JDMYard gave me a price of $250+install for the ingalls rear camber kit (both sides). Just to let you all know.
To order it from america, the cheapest price i found was about AUD$370. If anyone knows where they can be bought for less than AUD$250, please let us know.
I just ordered them
Thanks :D
Im really happy about this, currently ive got -4.5 and -3.5 on the rears which are eating my tyres like nothing else so this will pay for itself in no time and it will also fix my problem with having the car drifting to one side...awesome!
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