GLI80Ys Dyno chart

[phantom_civic]

Hey pplz just went & dynoed my car at DRC (Dynamic Racing Concepts) and got 102.0Kws @ the wheel with 265.0NM of Torque.
I know it isnt much considering the fact im running stock ECU & stock fuel pump (1.6L)


What u guys reckonz for a B18C with I/E/H and BC3+ cams.

http://www.geekimages.com/pics/20060901/top.JPG (http://www.geekimages.com)

http://www.geekimages.com/pics/20060901/bottom.JPG (http://www.geekimages.com)

[destrukshn]

you running a b18c... vtir? or type r?

[barefootbonzai]

seems a bit low for the amount of mods. is it vtir or type R?

[barefootbonzai]

lol b itch beat me too it.

[phantom_civic]

Vtir.

[destrukshn]

aye.. me no bitch.
lol.
vtir, ah.. i was thinking, a bit low for a type r
lol.
but not bad, i'd still thought it would of gotton more, i guess change pump, and get a ecu, and retune maybe, should be able to yield more results.
but still, not bad for a light weight hatch back.

btw, stage 3 cams, a bit overkill? correct me if i'm wrong.
=)

[Chris_F]

no one is commenting on the 265nm of torque? obviously an incorrect reading a b18c has nowhere near that much torque

[phantom_civic]

thanks.

[bigjo5]

no one is commenting on the 265nm of torque? obviously an incorrect reading a b18c has nowhere near that much torque

how would u know if its incorrect, ur not the dyno machine.

[VTi_b0i]

aye.. me no bitch.
lol.
vtir, ah.. i was thinking, a bit low for a type r
lol.
but not bad, i'd still thought it would of gotton more, i guess change pump, and get a ecu, and retune maybe, should be able to yield more results.
but still, not bad for a light weight hatch back.

btw, stage 3 cams, a bit overkill? correct me if i'm wrong.
=)

correct me if im wrong, but hes running the stage 1 buddyclub cams, but buddyclub cams go Spec 3 > Spec 4 > Spec 5, so he is really running the equivilant to stage 1's...

[bigjo5]

i was gonna say..
even a K only maxes out on 190nm stock.
let alone a B only should be around 180ish.
i done think BC spec cams can increase torque by 70nm.

correct me if im wrong.

Gary:wave:

he does not only have BC cam he also mention that he had I/H/E and CAI

[phantom_civic]

I think this thread is gonna turn into "the torque thread"

[destrukshn]

okay.. 265nm is a bit high.. fly's b20vtec has 300nms of torque.
does torque figures depend on dyno as well?
BUT, if you do actually have 265nm of torque, congrats to you, alot of torque for such little efforts.

[locote]

That is a lot of torque to have at the wheels for a N/A 4cyl.
S15s have 265nm stock but not at the wheels

[TODA AU]

Gearbox is a torque multiplier.

[bennjamin]

Gearbox is a torque multiplier.

and its dependant on which gear the "run" is done in correcto ?
So basically, the torque reading is wrong.

[TODA AU]

and its dependant on which gear the "run" is done in correcto ?
So basically, the torque reading is wrong.
True, true... Pays to look more carefully…
I looked at the dyno sheet again; the run was done in 4th which is pretty close to 1:1
So my bad…
The other thing I noticed is the SAE correction factor is 2.19???
Though I don’t use this type of dyno, but the most our dyno dynamics atmospheric correction ever goes is + or – 0.2 or there abouts from 1. Usual is 0.9~0.95.
Also of note are the A/F ratios…

[fatboyz39]

Figures looks ok. I wouldn't say low or high. There a car floating around, Stock vti-r motor, with the same mods as you beside the cams, he's running sotck cams and pulling 112 kw atw. He's got 1/4 mile time to back it up.


The a/f looks abit on the rich side. Might make 1 -2 kw more if lean it out abit.

[ProECU]

So basically, the torque reading is wrong.

not wrong... correct for the gears' torque reading. That distinction needs to be made, always!

[bennjamin]

not wrong... correct for the gears' torque reading. That distinction needs to be made, always!

correct , but wrong in comparison to "other" dyno readouts in a different gear true ? This is the misleading to most people here.

[ProECU]

The a/f looks abit on the rich side. Might make 1 -2 kw more if lean it out abit.

Care to explain how you determined its rich?
the area of concern is the 14-1 before vtec.... damn you peak HP guys....

If he richened this thing to 12.5-1 in lower rpms he would gain driveability and the car would be faster than it is now, without touching peak power production!

[ProECU]

correct , but wrong in comparison to "other" dyno readouts in a different gear true ? This is the misleading to most people here.

so rather than conform to peoples understanding (or lack thereof), we should try educate them with the complete picture, and not feed them what they want to hear.

thats my point.

[ProECU]

The other thing I noticed is the SAE correction factor is 2.19???
Though I don’t use this type of dyno, but the most our dyno dynamics atmospheric correction ever goes is + or – 0.2 or there abouts from 1. Usual is 0.9~0.95.


Adrian, that dynosheet looks like a mainline dyno printout.
I can tell you that we experience the same level correction factors as you mentioned above (all my work of late is on a mainline).

The interesting thing to note, is correction factors this high, are typically "manually" entered or overwritten on the mainline.

[JohnnyVtec]

Hey pplz just went & dynoed my car at DRC (Dynamic Racing Concepts) and got 102.0Kws @ the wheel with 265.0NM of Torque.
I know it isnt much considering the fact im running stock ECU & stock fuel pump (1.6L)


What u guys reckonz for a B18C with I/E/H and BC3+ cams.

http://www.geekimages.com/pics/20060901/top.JPG (http://www.geekimages.com)

http://www.geekimages.com/pics/20060901/bottom.JPG (http://www.geekimages.com)


Great work m8!,

with all that potential you've got to be cheerin aye! so is it going to be all bolt on's pfc's n tuning for u now? i hope you stick with the cams to see what can be built around them.

Cheers, HONDA POWER!!!:thumbsup:

[phantom_civic]

thanks bro!
yeh im gonna look further into getting bigger injectors n fuel system aswe;; as get an aftermarket ECU & adjust the cams since I dont think they been dialed in yets at all.

[RMN15N]

for a car thats poorly dyno'd it still eats v8's =D
good work son!
looking foward for more dyno sheets

[DynoDave]

thanks bro!
yeh im gonna look further into getting bigger injectors n fuel system aswe;; as get an aftermarket ECU & adjust the cams since I dont think they been dialed in yets at all.
With your setup you do not need to upgrade the injectors or fuel system,just get a good ECU and someone that knows how to tune a Honda engine.
Regards Dyno Dave

[STOCK]

nice one!

[fatboyz39]

for a car thats poorly dyno'd it still eats v8's =D
good work son!
looking foward for more dyno sheets

v8's???serzly?

The v8 i seen at the drags are doing 13's,12's and even 10's.

[phantom_civic]

With your setup you do not need to upgrade the injectors or fuel system,just get a good ECU and someone that knows how to tune a Honda engine.
Regards Dyno Dave
Your right aye, i shouldnt spend anympore if it dosent do much.
What abt fuel pump?
I should upgrade that aswell since im running the stock GLi pump.

[phantom_civic]

v8's???serzly?

The v8 i seen at the drags are doing 13's,12's and even 10's.

nah not at the drags.
On the streets.

BTW nice time u ran.
should get nice headers n ull hit high 13s

[fatboyz39]

Your right aye, i shouldnt spend anympore if it dosent do much.
What abt fuel pump?
I should upgrade that aswell since im running the stock GLi pump.

im using the same pump in my setup.

[zco]

john. what did u run last week down the 1/4

[phantom_civic]

u will be shocked!
1st run i got 16.2 with loads of wheel spin.
2nd run i ran didnt know when 2 launch coz the lights were stuffed = 17.0
and the last one i just dumped it and got 15.0

i was running nankhangs on 35 psi.

[bigjo5]

u will be shocked!
1st run i got 16.2 with loads of wheel spin.
2nd run i ran didnt know when 2 launch coz the lights were stuffed = 17.0
and the last one i just dumped it and got 15.0

i was running nankhangs on 35 psi.

lol 35psi shit.. thats abit hard

[phantom_civic]

:)
yeh prob go back after when I get ECU + cams tuned n new tyres.

[STOCK]

dun stress.... first time i ran my dc2 vtir i ran slow times... somthing like 15.6 ... finally ending with a 14.8@93mph ... youll get there with more practice

[phantom_civic]

thanks.

[zco]

yeh man. dont stress. i got a 18.00 for first run HAHA
i know of a friend that had a gtr and ran a 15.00 first run LOL !
but then he backed it up with a 11.80
go back before you get the mods. run the same tyrse, just approach it differently. the time doesnt actually start until you cross the start line.. so you can sit on the green light for a good 3seconds, and it wont affect your final time. :)

[RMN15N]

i havent been there b4 but id bet everyone would laugh at my time lols
best time maybe 18? haha

what does everyone think john will run after the cam gears + ecu with a dyno tune? low 14's? or high 13's?

[fatboyz39]

all depends on driver!