Stock Standard Dyno

[JohnnyVtec]

:wave: Here's the dyno results of my stock vtir hb

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8348/dynokwstocktc8.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dynokwstocktc8.jpg)

[egSi]

cool. :thumbsup:

plans?

[jdmlvn]

nice.

[phantom_civic]

not bad.
i like

[???]

its making power over 8500rpm thats great...you sure its stock though, what stock b16a revs that high?

[JohnnyVtec]

:D i'm stoked!!! thanks guy's i'm really happy with the #'s. Yes triple question mark dude! it is an all stock b16a2. only mod on the entire car is my custom cai and 2.1/2 in catback. it's got some dodgy no name brand can of beez muffler.

Plans,

Now that i have done my power run with the stock engine. I will install my DH-R Billet throttlebody which is port-matched to my AEBS Typhoon intake manifold. Along with my Billet fuel pressure regulator & jdm 4-1 copy ss header. I will tune the engine at chip torque in nerang to my m8 Dave Hickmans specs with the Apexi Power FC. they dont have the software, so it will be by my commander. I hope to be back within a couple of weeks with a comparison sheet. HEHE i'm kind of lazy...


Cheers again for the support fellas!!! you all rock!!! Honda power!!!

[zco]

i cant see the results, what are they ? and were they done in shootout mode ?

[JohnnyVtec]

i cant see the results, what are they ? and were they done in shootout mode ?

94.6 Kw to the wheels. yes dyno was done in shootout mode.


Cheers,:thumbsup:

[SLOWEGG]

its making power over 8500rpm thats great...you sure its stock though, what stock b16a revs that high?

My friend's EK4 revs to 8500ish/rpm aswell.. stock should only be like at 8100-8200.

[civ_sik]

my old b16a reved to like 9200 dunno if it was stock. was from a halfcut...

anyways nice... looking foward to the next results.

[egSi]

yeah mate id like to see what all this does in terms of gains. :thumbsup:

[JohnnyVtec]

:D The intake manifold & throttlebody have been installed.
The car *PULLS* way hard! torque steer like a muff*cka!
The revs are pulled through a lot faster setting the rev limiter off in shorter time. The car has a completely different *note in tone. You can actually hear it breathe deeper. I cannot wait to get the remainder of my gear on it. The header & power fc will be on and tuned in very soon!


Cheers for keeping up with the posts!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D

[daniel b16a]

nciee nicee...i wanna see dyno results...94kw is how many hp? i got 122 hp atw on my b16a2 with intake and exhaust mods with extractor.!!

[???]

122hp is about 90kw@wheels

[Twincam16]

I got 98kw with my b16a2, 2.25 exhaust and 4-2-1 xforce headers.

Need to get it tuned though, I think its running too rich. AFR was ranging from 13.0-14.0

[ProECU]

I got 98kw with my b16a2, 2.25 exhaust and 4-2-1 xforce headers.

Need to get it tuned though, I think its running too rich. AFR was ranging from 13.0-14.0

How do you figure 13-14 is rich? Please explain?

[ProECU]

my old b16a reved to like 9200 dunno if it was stock. was from a halfcut...

anyways nice... looking foward to the next results.

yeah sure, ....

i'm assuming you did an engine swap into a civic who's gauge cluster was not intended for a B16.

calibration my friend!

[fatboyz39]

I got 98kw with my b16a2, 2.25 exhaust and 4-2-1 xforce headers.

Need to get it tuned though, I think its running too rich. AFR was ranging from 13.0-14.0

13.0- 14.0 is about right. Thats no way rich.

[spardikis]

thats an awesome figure from stock - damn hondas!!!

[Kebin]

hey fellas,
when i got my hondata s200 ecu tuned along with my cai and x force full exhaust system i got 111kw atw at toda racing

[JohnnyVtec]

hey fellas,
when i got my hondata s200 ecu tuned along with my cai and x force full exhaust system i got 111kw atw at toda racing

:thumbsup: sounds good m8 got a dyno sheet?

[Edgeauto]

n/a all the way, had our ls integra on the dyno on the weekend with a B20vtec ITB made 123kw with a half ass tune

[ZeForce]

n/a all the way, had our ls integra on the dyno on the weekend with a B20vtec ITB made 123kw with a half ass tune

Engine specs?

[Edgeauto]

It's a standard B20 bottom with a ported B18c head and a set of Toyota 20v ITB with custom runners. Once i get a chance i will put the vid on my website.

[ProECU]

Mate,
your car kept corrupting my video camera recording, lol

In any event, nice setup from what i saw.
Do you have plans to build the bottom end for higher compression?

btw: Who ported the head? I assume it was done in SA?

[Edgeauto]

luckily we got a decent video:) Stadard it is running about 11:1 already due to the higher comp of the B18c5 head. Going to do cams etc. before we do the bottom end but plan to get there eventually. Coultards in the city did the head work, they did a good job at welding the head but the porting was a bit rough; we spent a few hours cleaning it up.

[ProECU]

btw: ur tune is too lean

[Edgeauto]

yeh i know, we went out fri night and gave it a good tune until my lappy crashed and lost it all :( so it ended up having a 5 min tune on the way to the dyno

[ProECU]

If you need advice, help or anything just PM or email me, moe than happy to assist you.

[barefootbonzai]

If you need advice, help or anything just PM or email me, moe than happy to assist you.
your box is always full, i've tried a few times. even sent an email.

[Edgeauto]

no worries, cheers

[ProECU]

your box is always full, i've tried a few times. even sent an email.

You're probably confusing me with some other copycat ECU guy.

My details are:

email: evan@proecu.com
IM: DelSolEvan
MSN: evo@esc.net.au
ICQ: 2142281

I've even cleared more space in my PM

[ProECU]

no worries, cheers

I'd recommend starting with a base table and doing all the tuning on a dyno.
Tune ign & fuel by load point

[Edgeauto]

Yeh we started with a B18 fuel and B16 ign map then removed EACV since we aint got 1 then added ITB plugin for more fuel up top and better ilde then added a fuel mutilpier of 1.08 to bring it up to a 2L and that came pretty close to spot on just a few minor adj. We are going to finish the street tune when we get time then put it back on the dyno to compare.

[ProECU]

The transition between MAPvRPM and TPSvRPM in crome needs work. I'm not sure how you've found it, but you need to insert or modify the load points for more resolution in the transition area.

There are also better ways of finding the correct fuel multiplier and it's not based on the provided calculator...This initial setup is important as it saves a lot of work later on.

If you ever decide to jump on a dyno and want some pointers, just let me know.

[barefootbonzai]

What makes an ecu good for tunning quads? say if you had the choice of the following:

- PFC
- hondata
- chrome
- ProECU

Which one would you use and y?

[Edgeauto]

Well if your willing to email me a copy of proecu i am willing to give it a crack:D ,
although i am running a ostrich atm

[ProECU]

yeah sure, check ur email :).....not!

[silver_screen]

I got 98kw with my b16a2, 2.25 exhaust and 4-2-1 xforce headers.

Need to get it tuned though, I think its running too rich. AFR was ranging from 13.0-14.0

dude.. thats not rich.. thats lean... gettin lean

[CUL8R]

its hardly rich, and its not that lean, 13s for a NA is fine

[ProECU]

*** everyones an expert... it was lean

[CUL8R]

ok ill take your word for it man

[Edgeauto]

you guys talking bout the same car?

[spardikis]

i love oz honda

[natecspecr]

i recently done my car dyno and found out that ....
my car have a 150HP@wheel with 14 Torque at 8300 rpm with DynoJet machine .



my car ....profile .
B16A2 Stock engine
SPOON CAI (big stomach type)
4-2-1 custome made extractor
2.25" center bullet & piping system
2" straight flow muffler
Greddy Emanage install with FEEL`S chipping done .




will attach the dyno sheet later in the days ...

here is the attachment of my dyno sheet ....
the AF ratio was set to 12.8 ......
but yet still not statify with the output power band ....
needed HP around 180HP with torque 18kgm .
what do i need to modify to get those HP & torque ?
need advise ... please .

[ErazeR]

thats alot of power man

[natecspecr]

hi
erazer ,

what car are you driving ?
and how many HP & torque do you have ?

anyway to get more HP & torque from B16A2 engine ?
instate of upgrade 1.8cc piston and crankshaft into it ,
bored the throttle body to 63-65mm ,
changing B16B IN/EX cam shaft ,
or maybe changing gear ratio of 3/4/5 gear or final fdrive to 4.785 ???

maybe for the low cost upgrade what the modification should i do ?

please advise me ... thanks .

[spardikis]

lsd and short ratio box :)

[natecspecr]

my tranny already come with 1.5 way LSD full lock .
i had already ask the dyno guy about the gear ratio it doesnt help on the HP either torque , it only help fast pick up ( maybe 0-400m ) .

[JohnnyVtec]

:wave: Here's the dyno results of my stock vtir hb

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8348/dynokwstocktc8.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dynokwstocktc8.jpg)

RIGHTO Ladies n Germs,

My lazy arse has finally got the bolt-ons finished. The only thing remaining at this point is my power fc install program and dyno tune. At this point it doesn't even feel like the same car. It's wayyyy too loud. It pulls like a son of a b*tch. The car has fuel fouled plugs and the afr bounces like a lowrider however the car remains a steady example of performance mods. I am aching to get this beast on the dyno and tuned. For those of you in qld i will see some of you on sunday the 19th nov. I'll be the one driving what looks like a base model ek HB. Your feedback would be much appreciated.


Cheers,

[VTC-8OY]

:wave: Here's the dyno results of my stock vtir hb

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8348/dynokwstocktc8.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dynokwstocktc8.jpg)

nice.. :thumbsup: but my sohc vtec vti eg puts out 100kwatw with just a fart cannon :p :p :wave:

[ZeForce]

nice.. :thumbsup: but my sohc vtec vti eg puts out 100kwatw with just a fart cannon :p :p :wave:


SOHC VTEC's dont even have 100kw at the flywheel...

[Micko]

hey fellas,
when i got my hondata s200 ecu tuned along with my cai and x force full exhaust system i got 111kw atw at toda racing
You've just made me smile from one ear to the other.

go jonnyVtec! make sure you post up another vid/sheet on your next dyno. your car is impressive :cool:

[JohnnyVtec]

You've just made me smile from one ear to the other.

go jonnyVtec! make sure you post up another vid/sheet on your next dyno. your car is impressive :cool:

Thanks for reminding me of the vid aye!

Dyno run, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6rNcKBKLUM



Hope everyone enjoys it cheers, :thumbsup:

[silver_screen]

SOHC VTEC's dont even have 100kw at the flywheel...

i 2nd that :)

[silver_screen]

*** everyones an expert... it was lean

It is lean

and the other dude... not lean for n/a??? an engine is an engine.. they all have the same fuel requirements.. 14.7 is ideal for the perfect world with no losses.. but we all know thats never gonna happen

12.5-13 is ideal in the real world ;) n thats for both turbo and n/a applications with ur foot buried in the loud pedal

[ZeForce]

12.5-13 is ideal in the real world ;) n thats for both turbo and n/a applications with ur foot buried in the loud pedal

Thats not true, high levels of boost usually require slightly richer mixtures to lower the combustion temperatures

[silver_screen]

depends on the tuner :) my car runs ova 30psi of boost and she sits @ 12.5 for most of the way :)

all depends on other contributing factors like, intake design, size of the turbo (smaller turbos on high boost also run higher temps because they work harder) and what petrol u run... im on pump fuel but ive got a very efficent cooler, and had a rather large turbo

[ZeForce]

Static compression and ignition timing also plays a part

[silver_screen]

thats also true.. which is y i run only 5deg advance :) much more then that = deto and we all know rotaries dislike deto :)

A well built motor with the right hardware in all places can and will run best at around 12.5 :) with all the time ive spent with modifed cars, im yet to see a better option

[TODA AU]

thats also true.. which is y i run only 5deg advance :) much more then that = deto and we all know rotaries dislike deto :)
A well built motor with the right hardware in all places can and will run best at around 12.5 :) with all the time ive spent with modifed cars, im yet to see a better option
Though this is way off topic in an "All motor" section,
What you're saying is not entirely true. In this case, IMO you're not comparing apples & apples...

my car runs ova 30psi of boost and she sits @ 12.5 for most of the way :)
A B16A engine with say 9.0:1 CR + turbo will likley burn the exhaust valves out of the head at 30psi of boost with 12.5:1 AFR & only 5deg of timing.
Normally we'd see at around 10~12 deg of timing at that boost & AFR's 'd be closer to 11.2:1 at that boost.
If you're running C16 12.0 ~ 12.5:1 is no problem, but you'd still need an extra 6~7deg of timing to wake this lazy fuel up.

[ProECU]

A well built motor with the right hardware in all places can and will run best at around 12.5 :) with all the time ive spent with modifed cars, im yet to see a better option


I totally disagree on this one. Try running these honda's much leaner and you'll understand why I disagree. You can almost go an extra 1 whole a/f point across the range. That's NA obviously, turbo's do definately need timing to be looked at more closely as more often than not, they run higher octane fuels and richer mixtures.

If you want combusion temps to skyrocket (as Adrian eluded to) then retard timing.:)
This is agood way to spool a turbo without load.....ever wonder what makes a turbo spool??

[Micko]

in other news, Nice work on the dyno JonnyVtec :D

EDIT: i will get mine done soon, and see how i go :P

[JohnnyVtec]

in other news, Nice work on the dyno JonnyVtec :D

EDIT: i will get mine done soon, and see how i go :P

That's great news m8!

I look forward to watching your car progress! It's always nice to see a fellow enthusiast working toward his goal in the name of fun and action!


Keep us posted on your further mods!

Cheers,:thumbsup: