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supersamEK
23-05-2004, 03:43 PM
Hey Guys,

I have just purchased my first car and am already hungry for more horsepower. It's a 2000 Honda EK Civic sedan and the 1.6 L SOHC is starting to become boring. I was wondering if breathing mods such as exhuast and intake would be worthwhile or should I go all out and save for a B16A VTEC? Would this be a straightforward swap with a half-cut or am I lokking at expensive modifications to fit this motor? Do You think that this swap could be achieved with $3k? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!! Thanx

Chi
23-05-2004, 03:47 PM
That current engine is not worth modding on, save for a b16a i say !!

2ds
23-05-2004, 04:16 PM
It's a reasonably straight forward swap but remember to have a fair bit of cash lying around for anything and everything that my crop up.

also decide on how much power you want. and if you want to go boost or NA.

get weq to tell you about boosted d16's =)

-2ds

fusion_VTi
23-05-2004, 04:47 PM
depends on the setup your after mate. if you wanna stay n/a just put in a b18c or b16a and that should see some healthy gains, however if u want more power go the turbo route :D

EG5
23-05-2004, 05:16 PM
currently all motor D16 sohc in usa is running low 10 sec down the quater mile... i know d16 engine is a blacksheep but there is still alot of aftermarket parts for it.
b16 , b18 engine got more potential as it is....

ts0nda
23-05-2004, 06:25 PM
Do You think that this swap could be achieved with $3k?


Hey man unless your gonna be doing it yourself your gonna be looking at around the $5K mark

A'PEXi
24-05-2004, 12:38 AM
is it a waste of time? well yes and no, it is possible to achieve a good time with a sohc d16 as yonas mentioned - but be prepared to spend a fair bit of cash and time on working on the engine.... alternativley, you could just get a b16a, save you a bit of time, have a fairly decent power upgrade from standard (d16) and it would still have a bit of potential. if you want to be original, why not give the d16 a go :D

Weq
24-05-2004, 02:51 PM
ALLMTR d16's are expensive, more expensive then if u swapped out a b16 and worked on it id say.. There is only one hope for the d-series...
(see sig)

bennjamin
24-05-2004, 03:24 PM
ALLMTR d16's are expensive, more expensive then if u swapped out a b16 and worked on it id say.. There is only one hope for the d-series...
(see sig)
http://www.d-series.org/forums/images/smilie/bigrofl.gif


The man has a point. . . .Id rather a snail on the side than any ghey-DM y0 transplant in my D series LOL

EG5
24-05-2004, 03:43 PM
ALLMTR d16's are expensive, more expensive then if u swapped out a b16 and worked on it id say.. There is only one hope for the d-series...
(see sig)
what is ur 1/4 mile time slip ...
hmm just wondering on what a boosted d16 can do

egSi
24-05-2004, 04:14 PM
keep the d, they kick arse man. think where u will be if you spent the same amount of money on your d16 that you would on a b16 swap.

Weq
24-05-2004, 05:24 PM
Never been to the track. From only cars ive raced, id hazard a guess of very low 14 to high 13's if i could drag properly.

In the US unbuilt D's at 10-11psi can go as long as 13.4~ with a good driver.

madgrk
24-05-2004, 05:41 PM
In the US unbuilt D's at 10-11psi can go as long as 13.4~ with a good driver.

Wow, you serious!?!?!?!?!? Thats an awesome time out of a engine of that capacity. Assuming you keep the same mileage as you had before, this definently sounds like a great mod! :D

mo
24-05-2004, 05:47 PM
(jon edit: please do not post unrelated material)

Weq
24-05-2004, 05:48 PM
am i the centre of a ongoing joke bren??

bennjamin
24-05-2004, 05:57 PM
am i the centre of a ongoing joke bren??

Dun worry....
I luv j00 Weq !

Just an excuse to use more smilies lol. . .
(plz delete mod if u wnat lol....OR make a smiley thread :))

EG5
24-05-2004, 10:16 PM
anyone here run an official quater mile time at any drag strip ?
post up your D series time slip here please...

mo
24-05-2004, 10:22 PM
Everyone here thinks d series are a waste of time...that's why they have all done engine conversions

2ds
24-05-2004, 11:14 PM
I dispute that. I think d series is a waste of time if you want to go NA. for boost it's a good engine to start with because if you blow it up it's cheap and easy to replace ;)

-2ds

Weq
24-05-2004, 11:29 PM
2ds is spot on!

mo
24-05-2004, 11:33 PM
I guess if you want bang for your buck then maybe going turbo is probably worth your while but if you want ultimate blacksheep stylez y0! then staying NA is the best!! I reckon it'll be much funnier when you pwn some guy then they ask you if you got a B series and your like nup...D series here f00l! HEOAHEOHAE

SIKCVC
25-05-2004, 12:19 AM
blacksheep stylez y0! then staying NA is the best!!

Hate to admit it, but I know of more cars with conversion than with Turbo!!! you'd be more of a black sheep with Turbo hahaha its gone total flip side to the way it was 2 years ago. :P

egSi
25-05-2004, 07:15 AM
does anyone actual know the difference in power form e EG Si and an EG Sir?

Si = 137bhp stock
Sir = 162bhp stock

everyone stop bagging the D. My mates got an Sir import eg and ive got a Si eg and hes drivin both and he said with like an intake and full exhaust and similar drivers in both its like dead even.
I will drag him soon, proly go to willowbank are something. Itll be interesting ;)

[[d a n n y]]
25-05-2004, 08:58 AM
does anyone actual know the difference in power form e EG Si and an EG Sir?

Si = 137bhp stock
Sir = 162bhp stock

everyone stop bagging the D. My mates got an Sir import eg and ive got a Si eg and hes drivin both and he said with like an intake and full exhaust and similar drivers in both its like dead even.
I will drag him soon, proly go to willowbank are something. Itll be interesting ;)

aiya...

when the modifying begines...the b16a will have more power...
if u compare the dynos of Si VS SIR with same mods (H/I/E mods)
if the SI could run the SIR for it's money..then honda wouldnt have brought out the SIR

EG5
25-05-2004, 09:09 AM
does anyone actual know the difference in power form e EG Si and an EG Sir?

Si = 137bhp stock
Sir = 162bhp stock

everyone stop bagging the D. My mates got an Sir import eg and ive got a Si eg and hes drivin both and he said with like an intake and full exhaust and similar drivers in both its like dead even.
I will drag him soon, proly go to willowbank are something. Itll be interesting ;)

it will not be dead even with a similar driving skills...
my friend jdm eg6 sir did 14.6sec ( stock with bolt on mods and piggyback ecu)
my eg SI is still stuck at 15.1 sec at the moment.

EG5
25-05-2004, 09:10 AM
and jdm eg6 SIR is 170hp stock .

egSi
25-05-2004, 11:48 AM
haha nice one yonus you fukt me up.

not to worry, stuff is definately in the pipeline for my Si.

<watch this space>

EG5
25-05-2004, 12:41 PM
haha nice one yonus you fukt me up.

not to worry, stuff is definately in the pipeline for my Si.

<watch this space>


i dont fuct u up , thats a fact comparison between SI and SIR

EG si ( hatch) with a proper driving skills , full traction , ecu tuning and enough bolt on mods , i believe EG si can do mid 14's

there is a guy in usa did 13.99sec on his Ef civic hatch ZC powered
what he got is only exhaust , air filter , header ( open header) , proper clutch and slicks - fully gutted car.

so with this prove there is still a chance for u to do a good 1/4 mile time.

egSi
25-05-2004, 02:58 PM
i will

SIKCVC
25-05-2004, 03:36 PM
ZC's in EF/ED's are ****ing quick!!! A guy who had a total sleeper ef/ed had a passenger and stuck with me side by side all the way up to 130. and the sadest thing is, I was shifting at red and he was shifting before me :(

And those figures are still wrong :P someone pointed this out recetly, the SiR b16a doesn't have 170hp, it has 170ps witch apparently is 168hp or 125kwts. (posted up by someone on these forums, just reminding people :P)

The AUS Si (d16a/8) has 129/130hp or 96kwts and the rarer JDM EG-5 with the "hot" ZC has 135hp or 100kwts.

so in sumery

D16a/8 Si = 130hp
B16a SiR = 168hp
"hot" ZC Si = 135hp
b16a EK4 = 160hp (AFAIK)

supersamEK
25-05-2004, 04:55 PM
thanx for the opinions guyz! i think i might stick with the d16 for the moment as is my first car and cant exactly afford much.... 8)
Wat bout vtec for tha d16? Is it easy to sorce a vtec head for the d series block? is it even possible? how do i go about it?

2ds
25-05-2004, 05:13 PM
don't bother doing a frankenstein vtec with the d series bottom end, too much of a pain to do, not enough gains.

-2ds

Weq
25-05-2004, 05:52 PM
its not a 'frankenstien' its called a mini-me - search for it. very easy to do!

w_civic
25-05-2004, 06:52 PM
does anyone actual know the difference in power form e EG Si and an EG Sir?

Si = 137bhp stock
Sir = 162bhp stock

everyone stop bagging the D. My mates got an Sir import eg and ive got a Si eg and hes drivin both and he said with like an intake and full exhaust and similar drivers in both its like dead even.
I will drag him soon, proly go to willowbank are something. Itll be interesting ;)

it will not be dead even with a similar driving skills...
my friend jdm eg6 sir did 14.6sec ( stock with bolt on mods and piggyback ecu)
my eg SI is still stuck at 15.1 sec at the moment.


watch out for yonas ZC power...im sure he can break to 14s soon...cant wait...last time i checked, fastest Si civic was 15.488 or somethin here in melb

LatinoHatchCrap
25-05-2004, 08:19 PM
if you plan on going boost its not a waste. for the money b series will allways crap all over d-series.

egSi
26-05-2004, 07:28 AM
d series are good!! fukn hell, its still a honda engine! kick a man when hes down! :evil:

oi anyone you wants to know any stuff about any d-series engine go to

www.d-series.org *Bennjamin edit* Link for D series reprasent!*

and check it out. there is some excelent info on there, i always go on and read up. you wont be dissappointed!

go the fukn D

[[d a n n y]]
26-05-2004, 10:56 AM
hahah jeebbuz..

calm down mate..

will u rather a b serise engine or a b serise engine if u had the choice?

EG5
26-05-2004, 11:03 AM
i rather to have B series ;)

egSi
26-05-2004, 11:32 AM
if a had the choice without soundin like a knob prolly a

ZC DOHC(D16a8 DOHC) jap spec with no k's on it, in a stock EF civic.
that would realy stir some shit up ;)

egSi
26-05-2004, 11:36 AM
hey yonus check my car on here:

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7841

**Ghost**
26-05-2004, 11:42 AM
personally mate, i reckon whether u can afford it or not areally depends on ur budget and ur patience... sures if u can wait a bti get a B16A or a B18, but if u cant then by all means start bolting on stuff andhave abit of fun!!!

its really a useless point imho when ppl tell u b16A, b18C, etc are better cos to get em, u wont be having fun from now till then.... i dont knw how much money u make mate, but measure that time, and see if ur patience is worth the result...

it also depends how much power u looking for... if u just want average, start now i reckon, if u want a lot more... u can start now and look forward to boosting...

HOWEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR if u want NA then go swap it, cos theres no pointin getting cams for the D16 or high compression piston thingies, etc

Just dont go saving for an engine cos its "a better platform" to start modding, if that was the case, we shoudl all be saving up for a F20C...

supersamEK
26-05-2004, 01:43 PM
what im esentially after is VTEC !! i want to be able to have it on my civic and not sure what i should do..??? but if i did look at turbo it would be pretty expense wouldnt it? id need lots new stuff like ECU, exhaust, internals.... what u's think bout turbo on d16? how much? worth it?

SIKCVC
26-05-2004, 01:43 PM
yeah as above have a bit of fun with the d16a/8 if you wanna swap. Just get an exhaust CAI and muck around with that. Even with that an EG can be pretty quick for what it is. I know I've given a few people a scare with my ZC, the only time I've wished for more is when I'm up the hills trying to keep up with my friends on the arse end of corners when they power away from me. But if your into strait line shit just turbo the D16, a mate put a bit of dosh into his and he's really happy with the results.

Weq
26-05-2004, 01:58 PM
what im esentially after is VTEC !! i want to be able to have it on my civic and not sure what i should do..??? but if i did look at turbo it would be pretty expense wouldnt it? id need lots new stuff like ECU, exhaust, internals.... what u's think bout turbo on d16? how much? worth it?

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?s=&threadid=246652

Sign up there and take a look at my buildup thread. outlines the entire process of a turbod16...

supersamEK
26-05-2004, 02:09 PM
thanx for the links guyz!! found heaps of great help. that www.d-series.org forum is tops :P and Weq i owe u buddy...that build up was a top read!! lerned heaps thanx

i think 4 now i might do mini-me swap and then start savn 4 turbo hopefully... !!! :?

egSi
26-05-2004, 08:19 PM
we need more aussies on d-series.org so get typing you flamin mongrels!! ;)

Weq
27-05-2004, 01:35 AM
turbod16.com is enough for me.

Terry
13-10-2004, 10:30 PM
i'd rather to have a single D but get all the after market parts in~ No doubt, B is fast but i'd like to have a D that is so heavily mod that can make the B envy~ :D
For me.....mod is more happier than swap.....at least i got and understand all the aftermarket parts how they work or how they function etc.....Single D Vtec can get 170ps @ 9000rpm if is fully done....i think would be drive like dream :!:

egSi
14-10-2004, 12:14 PM
i'd rather to have a single D but get all the after market parts in~ No doubt, B is fast but i'd like to have a D that is so heavily mod that can make the B envy~ :D
For me.....mod is more happier than swap.....at least i got and understand all the aftermarket parts how they work or how they function etc.....Single D Vtec can get 170ps @ 9000rpm if is fully done....i think would be drive like dream :!:


i second that^^^ :D

[ slayer ]
14-10-2004, 03:49 PM
yep, i personally would stick with the d-series. i love my d16 :)

just a shame so many people go on about how its crap and a b series is a better platform, but pfft, the d is already in the car, so that means i can use it now and dont need to save for a conversion.

my vote is for the d series :) and turbo it if u want more power

EG4
14-10-2004, 04:28 PM
they sure love flaming you abt ur stickers EgSi

speaking od mods, where u guys find headers for a d series? most second hand parts for that area seem to be for b series

Terry
14-10-2004, 04:59 PM
Header for D?
Japanese--5zigen
Taiwanese--heaps.....dont remember their name
US--DC Sports
:D

egSi
15-10-2004, 07:41 AM
they sure love flaming you abt ur stickers EgSi

speaking od mods, where u guys find headers for a d series? most second hand parts for that area seem to be for b series


yeah man bloody hell hard to please US bums.

anyways go here for a more recent bunch of pics:

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12232&page=1

cam gears soon yes!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

chasloa
10-11-2004, 03:17 PM
we need more aussies on d-series.org so get typing you flamin mongrels!! ;)
Haha yes we do!!!

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13286

D's can be fast :D

chasloa
10-11-2004, 03:19 PM
yeah man bloody hell hard to please US bums.


that hurts