Best 1.6l engine?

[blue_leaf]

What would you guys/girls think is the best 1.6L twin cam engine in terms of its modability and reliability? Please provide a reason for you opinion.:)

[destrukshn]

everyone will say the b16a

[Chris_F]

d16y4 just to be a shit stirrer

[destrukshn]

yeah?
i've got a d16y4, it's fast.

[turtleEK1]

d16y4 just to be a shit stirrer

shiet yeah :thumbsup:

[blue_leaf]

Oh and I am not just talking about the honda engines, people are welcome to put up any other manufacturer's engine - lancia, toyotas, etc; if they think they are better. I personally adore the 4age 20valve as well as b16a.

[DreadAngel]

D16Y1 FTW yO!

[phantom_civic]

B16B ftw

[[[d a n n y]]]

B16b :d

[BiLL|z0r]

B16b or the mitsi mivec jap sec 1.6l (not sure of engine code but it's the engines they run in the mirage cup).

[tRipitaka]

everyone will say the b16a
b16b.

[gambate]

20 valve 4age *flame suit on*

[SPEEDCORE]

Owning both a B16A and a B/T 20V, the B/T 20V is a very interesting engine to me. The spread of torque honestly feels alot better than the B16A..... and this is only with adjustment in inlet cam timming. Granted if you are planning to mod it extensively internally.... you are probably best to get a 16V and go to town on it. Aftermarket support for the 20V has never been there compared to the 16V 4A-G, and to an even greater extent the B16A.

I have always wondered though how the 20V would have felt if it had lift from VVTL-i. Still.... Yamaha did a very good job of it, F1 5 valve technology gimmics aside. ;)

In saying that I am a big fan of the B16B... and something which may freak alot of you out.... power output is not the reason why I like it. The R:S ratio of the B16B is of great significance to an engine that is to be operating in sustained high RPM operation.

[ECU-MAN]

B16A2T lol

[bigjo5]

K16B turbo yo! haha

[Mrrevolution]

4agze 1.6l supercharged from mr2

[aaronng]

The best 1.6L is the one you have in your car at the moment because it is keeping your car moving.

[Spec_R]

the best 1.6l engine is the one that has 100K worth of mod done internally including 2000hrs of man power labour put into it ;)

[AsH_]

B16A the BEST !!!!!

or maybe a TRD AE101 High Rev Engine
be hitting 11,000 rpm in no time...

but go B16A

[DreadAngel]

B16A the BEST !!!!!

or maybe a TRD AE101 High Rev Engine
be hitting 11,000 rpm in no time...

but go B16A

Aiya Initial D haha... Jks Bro :p

[Limbo]

having had both 20v and b16a. I have to say the b16a is a better engine.
Considering these are easy to get engines. The 20v just don't seem to be quick enough. I've raced too many people with bad results. The 4gze is alright but its a crap driving feeling after 5k rpm. The car looses all its handling fun due to this.

Best engine, i'd like to compare the Spoon b16b & the F1 Atlantic 20V. I think it would be a very close battle. Being a honda person now i'm kinda biased so i would prob say spoon b16b, but i know the F1 Atlantic engine is also a great engine

The everyday driver b16a or b16b if you can afford/find one.

[rhk]

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/twincamtech_1919_78024972
that engine ^^^ minus -.2L

edit - lol wait limbo alrady said the spoon b16b (now there is a pic)

[AsH_]

oooooooo baby... nice engine !!!

[aaronng]

LOL at all of the 11000rpm 4A-GE 20V fanatics....

Formula Atlantic 4A-GEs run the 16v block and head. Not the 20v. Don't watch initial D while posting on Ozhonda. haha. :)

[rhk]

bah id still take the spoon crate motor :)

[egSi]

VW 1600cc water cooled flat 4 :thumbsup:

[Limbo]

http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/images/Engine1.jpg http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/images/Atlantic.jpg

I think those are the ones your talking about Arrong. They were the 1988 spec F1 Atlantic engine. They later used the 20v.

http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20Information/4ag_tech_notes.htm

[aaronng]

http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/images/Engine1.jpg http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/images/Atlantic.jpg

I think those are the ones your talking about Arrong. They were the 1988 spec F1 Atlantic engine. They later used the 20v.

http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20Information/4ag_tech_notes.htm
Formula Atlantic still uses 16v. I have the 2002 SAE paper on the development of the new Swift 014.a chassis and it still uses the 16v. Unfortunately for 2006, the 4A-GE is no longer used in Formula Atlantic after Toyota ended sponsorship. They now run a Cosworth 2.3L inline4 300hp engine.

Here's a 2002 Formula Atlantic engine.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2374/farz8.jpg

It is Formula Toyota that uses 20v. The link you provided states that:

In Japan these engines were used in Formula Toyota, a series much like Formula Atlantic where there is only one SPEC engine available to all competitors. The magic of 20-valve is apparent on the ability to attain and sustain a high RPM threshold. The addition of variable cam timing allows the engine to surpass both low-end torque and high RPM horsepower figures of the older 4AGEs. This is the closest to race spec engine Toyota has ever produced.

[EuroDude]

The EL 1.6L ftw

51kW@5000rpm engine from a 1976-1978 Accord lol

[aaronng]

While not being 1.6L, the 1.5L from the RA271 and RA272 was a V12 that made 220hp @ 11000rpm.

[EuroDude]

haha cant imagine an F1 engine in a Civic lol

you would need to seriously detune it so it doesnt rip apart the chassis lol

[aaronng]

haha cant imagine an F1 engine in a Civic lol

you would need to seriously detune it so it doesnt rip apart the chassis lol
It's not too bad. at 11000rpm, the engine is making 155 Nm to produce the 240hp. That's about the same as the b16b.

[yourfather]

4agze

[Kawasaki]

1966 Cosworth FVA - 225BHP @ 9000

http://www.atspeedimages.com/csrg_2005/1969_repco_brabham_bt-30/1969_repco_brabham_bt-30_cosworth_fva_engine_2.jpg

won every championship in formula 2 from 1967 to 71

[Limbo]

Arrong thanks for that clarification

[rhk]

13b ftw...

[SPEEDCORE]

13b ftw...

Someone failed maths in school...... :rolleyes:

[destrukshn]

13b ftw...
er.. okies.
lol.

[kj887]

well, i think the best one will be B16B EK9
but actually i think the 4AGZE (AE101 Levin GT-Z supercharged, my ex-dream car when was young) n 4AGE black top (AE111 Levin BZ-V/G/R) are also not bad.

the mit 1.6 mivec (JDM Lancer/Mirage) is not a good potential engine, cos the rev output is not really high as b16a or 4age i think

for the torque power, i will choose 4AGZE
for the potential n high rev power, i will choose 4AGE black top with 4 quad throttle bodies (but actually B16B is also potential to mod, but i do like 4AGE)
for the overall purpose, i will choose B16B definitely

well, both B16B n 4AGE are very gd 1.6 engine in my opinion, but the b16B eng/half cut is not cheap in oz, n very rare to get one.....but however, the half cut 6 speed 4AGE is just less than $3000or $3500 (be4 i saw $5500 for da EK9 half cut)....so........

[RMN15N]

DBHK1.6aTT + S + N ( DBHK 1.6 twin turbo / supercharger with nos.).. yO.. ehehe

[EuroDude]

but wouldnt putting a toyota 4AGZE engine in a Honda be a biatch (and more expensive)? Best to stick with a honda I think.. B16B ftw

[rhk]

er.. okies.
lol.


Someone failed maths in school...... :rolleyes:


lols it was a joke

btw 13<16 therefore 13bftw but meeeh :p

[jdmlvn]

k20a > all B's =]

[aaronng]

If you are talking about passenger vehicle engines from the factory without aftermarket modding, then in my opinion the 1.6L award goes to Nissan's SR16VE from the VZR N1. Can't beat 197hp from 1.6L.

[marcus]

R16A gd fuel consumption

[IN73GZ]

b16b FTW!!!

[AsH_]

B16B would be better...

id like that engine... atm B16A does the job...

[jdmlvn]

according to autosalon magazine.

in the top 10 engines.

b16a was 4th.

i dont see any b16b in there...

[destrukshn]

beucase asm don't know a b16b exists.
lol.
what came first? rb26dett? then the 2jz?

[jdmlvn]

beucase asm don't know a b16b exists.
lol.
what came first? rb26dett? then the 2jz?

rb26dett. im planning on doing a write up on it. should i?





michael (PAPZ) works there as a designer.
he owns a genuine ek9.
and they do DIY's with it. :thumbsup:

[destrukshn]

lol, i'm only jokin dude.
lol.

[jdmlvn]

lol, i'm only jokin dude.
lol.
u better be

lol

[destrukshn]

or wahtcha gonna do?
lol.

[aaronng]

according to autosalon magazine.

in the top 10 engines.

b16a was 4th.

i dont see any b16b in there...
Probably based on commonly available engines in Australia. Then again being Autosalon magazine......:zip:

[destrukshn]

i had a mad dream..
that the SPEED magazine was back.
lol.

[jdmlvn]

Probably based on commonly available engines in Australia. Then again being Autosalon magazine......:zip:

hey, your right.

*smacks on head*

lol

EDIT - the 4AGE was the 5th best one. can we get 4AGE's in aus?

[aaronng]

EDIT - the 4AGE was the 5th best one. can we get 4AGE's in aus?
Yes, they came in the AUDM Corolla SX (the one with the huge twincam 16 sticker on the side). I prefer the 20v though.

[AsH_]

B16A is honda flagship engine isnt it???

[aaronng]

B16A is honda flagship engine isnt it???
No.... Honda doesn't have a flagship engine. Only a flagship car. That has the c32b.

Some people think the c32b is the best, others the f20c, the k20a, b18c. LOL

[daniel b16a]

b16a for sure....most modding potential!! and cheaper then b16b

[jdmlvn]

b16a for sure....most modding potential!! and cheaper then b16b

a 1.6L engine has the most modding potential? i lol'd

[j3z3z]

a 1.6L engine has the most modding potential? i lol'd
well dickhead it is a thread about 1.6lt motors not your k20 integra wanfandango bullshit. so yes to do with this thread a 1.6L does have the most moding potential

[tRipitaka]

well dickhead it is a thread about 1.6lt motors not your k20 integra wanfandango bullshit. so yes to do with this thread a 1.6L does have the most moding potential
he's 16.

[marcus]

i wld prefer r20a,r18a and r16a...they are the best in FC

[j3z3z]

he's 16.

does that mean his crying

[aaronng]

i wld prefer r20a,r18a and r16a...they are the best in FC
WTF is an R20A? We don't even get the R16A here in Australia and no one has ever imported one in ever!

[marcus]

WTF is an R20A? We don't even get the R16A here in Australia and no one has ever imported one in ever!

R20 is the engine of new 06/07 honda stream...

R16 1.6l FD civic FD4 which is i think only availiable in singkieland

[aaronng]

Ahh, I see the R20A. Thanks for the info.

[marcus]

r20 also is a 2l single cam produce 150hp and 192 or 191 torque

[daniel b16a]

a 1.6L engine has the most modding potential? i lol'd

read the thread dude...no one cares abt ur k20a....its a 1.6lt thread fool...hes definately 5 coz he cant read!!

[phantom_civic]

also b16a heads flow more better than any other head.
:)

[aznsiko]

B16B for NA
4A-GZE for FORCED INDUCTION

[spetz]

6A10 or 4G61 from a pure how much power they can make perspective

[jdmlvn]

well dickhead it is a thread about 1.6lt motors not your k20 integra wanfandango bullshit. so yes to do with this thread a 1.6L does have the most moding potential


he's 16.
dude, take it easy

[jdmlvn]

read the thread dude...no one cares abt ur ****....its a 1.6lt thread fool...hes definately 5 coz he cant read!!

sorry, my bad.

ill read next time.

[stk-civic]

The Eunos 1.6ltr V6!!

[d15z1SUX]

its 1.8 isnt it? and its got next to no aftermarket parts available for it.

[Q_ball]

Guys, (j3z3z and daniel b16a), theres no need to get that emotional and worked up over a discussion!!
Calm down please!

[dsp26]

The Eunos 1.6ltr V6!!

thought they were 1.8l... lol the 1.8l is a nugget enough.



However, not sure if its been posted, the highest HP producing engine from factory is the Nissan SR16VE N1 @ 197hp also exceeding the F20Cs HP/L record.

That excludes any third party aftermarket modifiers such as Autech, Spoon, Mugen, etc...

[90LAN]

However, not sure if its been posted, the highest HP producing engine from factory is the Nissan SR16VE N1 @ 197hp also exceeding the F20Cs HP/L record.

That excludes any third party aftermarket modifiers such as Autech, Spoon, Mugen, etc...[/QUOTE]

too bad u would never find one lol

[dsp26]

too bad u would never find one lol


you can theres at least 3 in Australia already of the N1 variant, they are already approved for SEVS import in the form a of a 2 door N15 Pulsar VZR.

Also they have a more linear powerband compared to vtec as the intake cam vvl kicks in thent he exhaust cam... TOO BAD theres little to no aftermarket support for them due to Honda monopoly.. and TOO BAD theres little market for them... i would have gotten one, just took too long to get the sevs, and for $14k landed and rego'ed i would have gotten it over an EK :p

But for that price range, the AE111 Levin BZR is a better buy anyway with excellent handling, power, lsd from factory.... but then again i'm more of a coupe than a hatch fan

[90LAN]

these motors only came in "The 1.6 L (1596 cc) SR16VE has Nissan's Neo VVL variable valve timing with lift control. It produces 175 PS (129 kW) @7800 rpm and 119 ft.lbf (161 Nm) @7200 rpm." stock form

but the 200hp one is limited-production (1000 produced Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1, produced from 1997 to 1998.)
These cars were tuned by Autech Japan.

so techically they are not stock from the factory compared to say a b16b ek9
just my comparisons ..........still a very good motor

[aaronng]

these motors only came in "The 1.6 L (1596 cc) SR16VE has Nissan's Neo VVL variable valve timing with lift control. It produces 175 PS (129 kW) @7800 rpm and 119 ft.lbf (161 Nm) @7200 rpm." stock form

but the 200hp one is limited-production (1000 produced Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1, produced from 1997 to 1998.)
These cars were tuned by Autech Japan.

so techically they are not stock from the factory compared to say a b16b ek9
just my comparisons ..........still a very good motor

B16B's were also tuned, just by Honda. :)

[dsp26]

N1s are produced by Nissan. Autech variants have a 180hp SR20DE.
SR16VE - 173hp @ 7800rpm / 119lb torque @ 7200rpm
SR16VE N1 - 197hp @ 7800rpm / 134lb torque @ 7600rpm
SR20DE (Autech) - 180hp @ 6800rpm / 141lb torque @5600

I'm loving Honda's right now, but the b16 really is overrated... despite my plans for a full build i don't think i will be happy with it due to the lack of torque, but then again i drive a 2 seater... hopefully my light fly gives me back much needed bottom end response


these motors only came in "The 1.6 L (1596 cc) SR16VE has Nissan's Neo VVL variable valve timing with lift control. It produces 175 PS (129 kW) @7800 rpm and 119 ft.lbf (161 Nm) @7200 rpm." stock form

but the 200hp one is limited-production (1000 produced Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1, produced from 1997 to 1998.)
These cars were tuned by Autech Japan.

so techically they are not stock from the factory compared to say a b16b ek9
just my comparisons ..........still a very good motor

[bennjamin]

i dont see why peak power means so much ? EVEN more so on the smaller capacity , the less it means lol. Ever heard of useable torque ?

[dsp26]

i dont see why peak power means so much ? EVEN more so on the smaller capacity , the less it means lol. Ever heard of useable torque ?

yeah i agree... the term "best" is just a bit subjective just like "performance" can be attributed to power,handling,economy.

***EDIT***
but now i think about, is there any point in aiming to maximise torque on 1.6l donks? look at the 2 main ones, B16 & 4age20v... stroke vs bore ratio is designed for them to rev reliably to make the power.... gaining torque seems a waste to me... maybe not on B18c and upwards...

***EDIT Again***
speaking of flywheels... get my PM Ben? :D

[bennjamin]

well the fact is you cant gain low/mod range torque on a 1.6. Thats why they gain power with revs. Works well on lighter cars.
You dont "feel" peak power in a 1.6 compared to a 1.8 or 2.0 or whatever - sorry guys im knocking this conversation dont mind me lol.

IMO the best 1.6 out there ever is the B16a from 88 to 00. Same thing and it works :)

[d15z1SUX]

i don't think theres much competition to the b16a/b if you look at the amount of aftermarket support available and the potential it has as a 1.6L motor. sure there are other good 1.6L motors but i think the b16a/b tops them all because this.

[VT1-R]

b16a/b both the best.. 4get bout the toyota engine.. jus compare the no. of ppl driving a b16 with the ones driving the 4AG 20valve.. the ratio is like 100:1.. haha..

the best 1.6l engine is without a shadow of a doubt.. the B16 family of Honda.. and also i drive a b16a :)

[aaronng]

b16a/b both the best.. 4get bout the toyota engine.. jus compare the no. of ppl driving a b16 with the ones driving the 4AG 20valve.. the ratio is like 100:1.. haha..

the best 1.6l engine is without a shadow of a doubt.. the B16 family of Honda.. and also i drive a b16a :)

The 4A-GE has one advantage. If your timing belt snaps, your valves don't get mashed.

[Spunkymonkey]

The best 1.6L is the one you have in your car at the moment because it is keeping your car moving.

most reliable definitely b16a ;) 6 years and on 275K and still going strong.... we've put 200K on it lol

hard to get that much out of a d series.... kms wise....you push it once you go over 200K...usually motor change rofl....

zc was cool in the day....same as d rofl...over 200K..usually motor change rofl... or chassis rusting or falling apart lol

but depends on the driver....

[VT1-R]

The 4A-GE has one advantage. If your timing belt snaps, your valves don't get mashed.

I am sure u wont bet $$$ on that single advantage.. haha.. honda's reliability as stated above is 270 000km and still going strong.. haha..

[Joel The Mole]

my grandfather has a 4AGE AE92 corolla, its done 275kms and the only thing he has had to replace was the clutch and timing chain. thats reliability. and i found that it was a better engine to drive with than a b16a. felt punchier down low, and i love the sound of it at 7500rpm...

[VT1-R]

my grandfather has a 4AGE AE92 corolla, its done 275kms and the only thing he has had to replace was the clutch and timing chain. thats reliability. and i found that it was a better engine to drive with than a b16a. felt punchier down low, and i love the sound of it at 7500rpm...

have u really driven a b16a?

[aaronng]

have u really driven a b16a?

I have. They are pretty comfortable and linear. When in a 1150kg car, it is not fast. I prefer the B18C to be honest.

[Joel The Mole]

have u really driven a b16a?

yes i have, why do you ask??