Would you buy another new Euro?

[Type R Positive]

If you were to buy / trade in for a new car, would you buy another Euro or something else?
I am thinking of getting another new Euro but also thinking of changing up for something with a bit more power like a Mitsubishi Evo IX. The Mitsu's are about $56k new so that's in my price range.....very tempting indeed.

[TypeG]

lol
EVO X will be out next year or early 08
i wont pay for 5Xk for a car which will be an OLD MODEL after a year.
I am saving for that hehe

[yfin]

If you were to buy / trade in for a new car, would you buy another Euro or something else?
I am thinking of getting another new Euro but also thinking of changing up for something with a bit more power like a Mitsubishi Evo IX. The Mitsu's are about $56k new so that's in my price range.....very tempting indeed.
Is that $56k on the road? About 12 months ago when I tested the IX I was quoted something like $61k - but I guess that was the first price I was given without any bargaining. Make sure you drive it throughly before you commit - the driving experience was great but I wasn't impressed on the interior and the lack of features (no cruise control for example and the speedo increments are difficult to read). The car doesn't feel particularly solid either (close the boot or doors and you will see what I mean). To put it bluntly, you always get the feeling in the Evo that you are in a $25k car with an evil engine conversion. The STI has an all round better interior and solid feel in my opinion.

I wouldn't buy another Euro until the new generation is released with SH-AWD and a stack more power (turbo?). :D

[TECBOY]

buy a new sti

[teaseR]

EVO 6.5 tommy!!!

[enkay]

haha yer i would go for sumthing more sporty.. only because im 17 =P if onli my dad got me a type R instead of the euro hehe damn insurance
not sayin euro is a bad car thou .. love it to death hehe

[Chris_F]

keep your euro, then trade up to the all new model like yfin suggested if your keen for an ugprade.

I personally think they're a great car and I plan to keep mine indefinitely (untill petrol runs out or I feel the need for a second car).

[albii]

i've already done the turbo thing.
drove an evo VIII and although the power was incredible, the interior or lack off was obvious as to the refinement which was non existant.
new euro needs to be a 6 mps rival for me.

[tony1234]

I'm pretty happy with my Euro.If i had another 20k to spend i'd get the 07 Liberty GT.AWD,2.5 turbo:thumbsup:

[kam]

the Euro only needs 2 things to make it complete, imo

1. RWD
2. V6 from the Accord

4cyl + fwd = :(

[curik]

EUro needs

1. RWD as kam said
2. A better engine that has 240Nm and 150Kw to match 325i

[kam]

ive always had the idea of having 2 cars also

1 is the luxury daily car

2 is the all out performance car. a skyline or 180 can be had for dirt cheap, 20k (inc cost of car) and youve got a serious performance machine on your hands.

[sodaz]

Pros:
1. Awesome acceleration (after 3000rpm)
2. Awesome grip and cornering capabilites
3. Ultra direct and very sensitive steering
4. Beats cars 3 times its price
5. Great for modding (plenty of parts)

Cons:
1. Insurance costs, Good chance of losing your licence
2. Unwanted attention from teenagers and cops
3. Cheap interior and flimsy construction
4. Uses up a LOT of fuel (20lt/100km when driven hard)
5. Not much low end power & torque for city driving. It's either
all power or no power.

The Evo is a great performance car no doubt but as a daily driver
it's not really that good imo. As a track/weekend car it's unbeatable.

[blk05gli]

Keep the Euro as a daily driver and buy a second car for a weekend bruiser. We go to track days in a boxter S, but to and from work in a Euro.

[Suntzu]

I love my Euro but are'nt putting enough KMs on it to justify a lease.

Im looking at a E36/46 BMW 328 coupe manual or a WRX circa 2003 to replace it for pure fun value.

The Euro is the best car for the money you can get in my opinion. For me it lacks 15kw and 50NM and nothing else.

I think its the best looking 4 door car outside of a 5 series Bimmer in my opinion.

[Ferrarista]

Probably not, i'm getting too many noises in my car to justify buying another one

[nick_7g]

I dont usually recommend holdens. but i bought motor yesterday and the new SS is only $45k and

0-100km 5.2secs
0-400m 13.4secs

Out accelerates the evo IX, the STi and the porsche cayman (but they are all way cooler).

Thats some greaty value (today). If you can handle depreciation and mediocre looks.

And, the eruo is a great car, but i wouldnt buy another one now. I know its updated here and there, but its essentially the same car. I would consider it again when an all new model arrives.

edit: had to fix some shoddy spelling

[Type R Positive]

lol
EVO X will be out next year or early 08
i wont pay for 5Xk for a car which will be an OLD MODEL after a year.
I am saving for that hehe
Early '08 in Japan....... maybe '10 here!

Just look at the "new" Honda Legend. How long has that car been out for now???

[Type R Positive]

The Euro is the best car for the money you can get in my opinion.
Definately. That's why I brought mine to start with.

[Type R Positive]

I dont usually recommend holdens. but i bought motor yesterday and the new SS is only $45k
I will never ever own an Australian car. They are very dodgy. I have seen lots of things go wrong with them, here we are complaining about a mistery squeek in the dash when they are having things like serious electrical problems.

[Type R Positive]

I'm pretty happy with my Euro.If i had another 20k to spend i'd get the 07 Liberty GT.AWD,2.5 turbo:thumbsup:
Yes.... I looked hard at the GT when I got my euro. It just cost a bit too much at the time. My missus hates Subaru for some reason too so that didn't help.

[Type R Positive]

Is that $56k on the road? About 12 months ago when I tested the IX I was quoted something like $61k - but I guess that was the first price I was given without any bargaining. Make sure you drive it throughly before you commit - the driving experience was great but I wasn't impressed on the interior and the lack of features (no cruise control for example and the speedo increments are difficult to read). The car doesn't feel particularly solid either (close the boot or doors and you will see what I mean). To put it bluntly, you always get the feeling in the Evo that you are in a $25k car with an evil engine conversion. The STI has an all round better interior and solid feel in my opinion.

I wouldn't buy another Euro until the new generation is released with SH-AWD and a stack more power (turbo?). :D
Yeah, all things to consider. $56k is just ticket price, not drive away. I haven't got any quotes or anything yet.

I know that the interior in the Mitsu is lacking (esp. compared to Euro) but it doesn't make any excuses. It ain't ment to be a luxury car but I do agree for 56 large, I would have thought it would be a bit nicer.

Plus with the new IX, just a reflash will give you ~300whp with 12.5sec 1/4's!:cool:

If the Euro had SH-AWD and turbo, it would cost a whole heap more than what they do now!!! But sign me up!!!

[Ferrarista]

I dont usually recommend holdens. but i bought motor yesterday and the new SS is only $45k and

0-100km 5.2secs
0-400m 13.4secs

Out accelerates the evo IX, the STi and the porsche cayman (but they are all way cooler).

Thats some greaty value (today). If you can handle depreciation and mediocre looks.

And, the eruo is a great car, but i wouldnt buy another one now. I know its updated here and there, but its essentially the same car. I would consider it again when an all new model arrives.

edit: had to fix some shoddy spelling
Lol i was discussing this with another Euro owner (ozhonda member) yesterday and i said if i were to buy another car it would be the VE SS, its such a sexy and awesome car

[aaronng]

VE is very nice. I reckon Holden has done it pretty good this time. I hope they sort out reliability issues.

I already have an Euro, so I don't need another one. I'd go for a Super Seven though.

[my_vtec77]

Holdens are sexy and good performance in resonable price. But if you thinkin to change the car every three or four years, Holden is not suitable coz of the price drops. It drops like more than half of the original price after couple of years.

Liberty GT..?? Lux + performance.:thumbsup: High insurance though. My mate wanted to get one. He's 30. They quoted for insurance about 3K. I like the shape and interior. Can afford insurance for those turbo cars.

How about Mazda 6 MPS? not too bad. I like the performance. But i'm not a fan of Mazda.

As Suntzu said, BMW 328 coupe. One of my fav. car. 325 also will do. Price is stable too.:thumbsup:

Decision...decision.. Type R Positive. Hope to get a suitable car for you and your missus.:D

[tony1234]

Keep the Euro as a daily driver and buy a second car for a weekend bruiser. We go to track days in a boxter S, but to and from work in a Euro.
As a daily driver it's hard to beat.It's a good"all round"car.:thumbsup:

[aaronng]

VE is very nice. I reckon Holden has done it pretty good this time. I hope they sort out reliability issues.

I already have an Euro, so I don't need another one. I'd go for a Super Seven though.
Quoting myself. lol

Recall on the V8 VEs http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/fuel-leak-risk-drives-holden-recall/2006/10/18/1160850998245.html

[tony1234]

Quoting myself. lol

Recall on the V8 VEs http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/fuel-leak-risk-drives-holden-recall/2006/10/18/1160850998245.html
22 recalls in 9 years.Aust. most recalled car!That says it all.:thumbdwn:

[Monty77]

Yep....Couldn't agree with you more Tony

[aaronng]

Electrical and engine problems are one(two) things, but not being able to stop a hose from leaking fuel is ridiculous.

[kam]

im hoping HSV comes out with a TwinTurbo model

6Litre V8 TT omg pure sex

and HSV is completely seperate from Holden now, so they are pretty much 2 different cars, whereas before, HSV was just bolt on parts to a regular commodore

[TypeG]

Early '08 in Japan....... maybe '10 here!

Just look at the "new" Honda Legend. How long has that car been out for now???

EvoX do release on time
so do our Euro:p

[yfin]

EUro needs

1. RWD as kam said
2. A better engine that has 240Nm and 150Kw to match 325i

I don't really see the benefit of RWD for this application. You can get the car to be quite neutral with some fairly simple mods. More weight is also going to be a negative.

As for your point 2 - well here is to the ECU mods like Hondatech delivering on your dream. Some of those packages are going to be the equivalent of 170kw at the engine (or is that wishful thinking?!).

[Type R Positive]

22 recalls in 9 years.Aust. most recalled car!That says it all.:thumbdwn:That's exactly why I would never ever buy an Australian car. They are a joke. I had a mate who got a SS ute and had to get a complete new engine after ~2000kms. I work in the mines so all my mates have hi-po cars. Another with a XR8 ute keeps on having to go back for steering issues. Hardly just a veering left problem, but power steering completely packing up. My aunty has a falcon and has already had 3 new auto gearboxes in that under warranty. She is hardly what you call a "hoon".

What problems did I had with the Euro? NONE!!! That's why I am thinking about another one. :honda:

[Type R Positive]

As for your point 2 - well here is to the ECU mods like Hondatech delivering on your dream. Some of those packages are going to be the equivalent of 170kw at the engine (or is that wishful thinking?!).
Yes - Hondatech seems to be just a dream!!! :p

[Chris_F]

If it was me I'd just keep the euro, an evo is an upgrade in performance but a downgrade in refinement and build quality as others have pointed out.

Also if you bought a euro for 36000 then spent 25000 on performance modifications (the equivalent cost of an evo) that'd make it more than enough fun IMO ;)

[tony1234]

That's exactly why I would never ever buy an Australian car. They are a joke. I had a mate who got a SS ute and had to get a complete new engine after ~2000kms. I work in the mines so all my mates have hi-po cars. Another with a XR8 ute keeps on having to go back for steering issues. Hardly just a veering left problem, but power steering completely packing up. My aunty has a falcon and has already had 3 new auto gearboxes in that under warranty. She is hardly what you call a "hoon".

What problems did I had with the Euro? NONE!!! That's why I am thinking about another one. :honda:
Yeah.why should i buy their overated pieces of crap when all they do is rush their cars onto the market and then let their customers do their R+D for them and pay for the previlige?This is why they always release a series 2 approx.12 mths.after a new model.to fix the problems that the car shouldn't have had in the 1st.placeThey call it R+D!Up untill just recently they still had pushrod valves and 2 of them per cylinder.Honda 1st. released multivalve engines in 1986!!!! Type R Positive is right,they're a joke.:thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:

[tony1234]

I don't really see the benefit of RWD for this application. You can get the car to be quite neutral with some fairly simple mods. More weight is also going to be a negative.

As for your point 2 - well here is to the ECU mods like Hondatech delivering on your dream. Some of those packages are going to be the equivalent of 170kw at the engine (or is that wishful thinking?!).
yfin is right.The Hondatech gear should take care of the performance deficit side of things in the Euro quite nicely.

[corn_flakes]

i'm downgrading

[tony1234]

i'm downgrading
Downgrading????What u mean?

[corn_flakes]

selling the euro, buying a cheaper car...

i'm usually never superstitious, but my euro is bad luck...

it got gobsmacked twice - at the back, and then again at the front...

sitting at home on a friday (my day off) waiting for the assessor dude from the insurance company to come check it out...

[tony1234]

selling the euro, buying a cheaper car...

i'm usually never superstitious, but my euro is bad luck...

it got gobsmacked twice - at the back, and then again at the front...

sitting at home on a friday (my day off) waiting for the assessor dude from the insurance company to come check it out...
Such bad luck.:(

[corn_flakes]

and i haven't mentioned any of my fines and demerit points yet...

btw, if i sell my euro, there will be a 2006 euro sport grill up for sale...;)

[tony1234]

and i haven't mentioned any of my fines and demerit points yet...

btw, if i sell my euro, there will be a 2006 euro sport grill up for sale...;)
Pity.I bought 1 for mine just 1 mth.ago!!!You won't have any trouble selling it!:cool:

[corn_flakes]

haha yeh all these mods for the car are getting sold...

forgot to mention an 8000K H1 HID kit as well...lol

[euro77]

ouch, sorry to hear that dude.
what are you looking to replace it with?
Buy something in bright colour, I read somewhere bright colour usually have more luck surviving on the road, probably because people can see it better hahahaha...

[tony1234]

haha yeh all these mods for the car are getting sold...

forgot to mention an 8000K H1 HID kit as well...lol
What other mods do you have for sale?

[tony1234]

corn_flakes,your mailbox is full.Can't PM you!

[corn_flakes]

sorry, it's empty now...

but yeh, just the 06 grille and the HIDs...i've sold my front strut bar and injen intake already....

and about the colour of the car, yeh i do believe that less ppl will hit u...LOL but that only applies during the dark!! u'll still get hit like i did if the mofo doesn't check their blind spot...

not too sure what car i'm goin to replace it with...looking to spend about 25k...so i'll have a few grand remaining after i sell my euro...

not really fussed about a nice car anymore (which is what the euro is)...

for a 25k, i've got the 2.0i subaru impreza in mind...it's a very basic car, with a low output engine, but meh...so over it

[EuroDude]

zomg cant believe ur selling it already. How about an 06 Civic?

[tony1234]

zomg cant believe ur selling it already. How about an 06 Civic?
Yeah.good idea.Civic sport!!!hot little car.

[corn_flakes]

civic sport 33k?? i'd rather keep my euro...

i'm downgrading remember? LOL

and my parents just got the 06 civic, just waiting for delivery...i'm not a big fan of the civic though, so yeh...:S

[tony1234]

civic sport 33k?? i'd rather keep my euro...

i'm downgrading remember? LOL

and my parents just got the 06 civic, just waiting for delivery...i'm not a big fan of the civic though, so yeh...:S
Whatever.Hope u find a suitable car.

[EuroDude]

Well the Sube is a decent buy, better than a boring camry or something lol

Civic VTi-L is $24,490, perhaps u wanna go for a test drive and get one of those

[corn_flakes]

Well the Sube is a decent buy, better than a boring camry or something lol

Civic VTi-L is $24,490, perhaps u wanna go for a test drive and get one of those

nahh...the civic is a great car, but i'm just not a fan of the styling...*shrugs*

[EuroDude]

yeh i'm not a big fan either, rear lights look wack and the front corners look strange lol

but hey, you could simply keep the euro as stock and drive safely :p
$100 bucks ur gonna miss the euro after a week.

[corn_flakes]

haha most likely...

but i'm at the stage where the novelty of a nice car has worn off...

so i'm gonna settle for a very basic car...and pocket the extra few grand left over

[Chris_F]

why not buy a second hand euro, and have the best of both worlds...

[yourfather]

lol
EVO X will be out next year or early 08
i wont pay for 5Xk for a car which will be an OLD MODEL after a year.
I am saving for that hehe

... 58k for a riced up lancer.

[Slugoid]

... 58k for a riced up lancer.
If an Evo is a riced up lancer, then the STi is a riced up impreza.

If you want to go further, a M3 is just a riced up 3-series coupe.

There is a reason why the Evo has a 30K+ premium over the regular Lancers. Brakes, drivetrain, engine, diff, chassis.

[yourfather]

who the **** you think ur talking to son.


-edited swearing- aaronng

[Slugoid]

who the **** you think ur talking to son.

You...and there's no need to swear.

Well, you seem to think the Evo is a riced up Lancer. I just think you're a bit misinformed. That's the impression I got.

[aaronng]

Yourfather, stop swearing.

[stephen8512]

LOL @ yourfather

anyways, 25K could get u a decent R32 GTR. godzilla! mmmmm!! hahaha

[euro77]

I don't think I would, not because I don't like the car, but because if I change it will always be an upgrade.

[Type R Positive]

If an Evo is a riced up lancer, then the STi is a riced up impreza.

If you want to go further, a M3 is just a riced up 3-series coupe.

There is a reason why the Evo has a 30K+ premium over the regular Lancers. Brakes, drivetrain, engine, diff, chassis.
Exactly........

[Type R Positive]

I don't think I would, not because I don't like the car, but because if I change it will always be an upgrade.
Yeah, but to what?
That's the problem with the Euro. It's too damn good for the money!

[Type R Positive]

anyways, 25K could get u a decent R32 GTR. godzilla! mmmmm!! hahaha
Been thinking about a S15 or the likes too. What's insurance on a GTR nowdays?

[tony1234]

You...and there's no need to swear.

Well, you seem to think the Evo is a riced up Lancer. I just think you're a bit misinformed. That's the impression I got.
So did i!!!

[tony1234]

Yeah, but to what?
That's the problem with the Euro. It's too damn good for the money!
I agree.:thumbsup:

[sodaz]

... 58k for a riced up lancer.
There's nothing "rice" about the Evo. Yes, it has a big wing and a hood
vent but they are functional. It's simply one of the most incredible
performance cars you can buy.

[kitbkk]

evo = performance
euro = less performance but heaps more class yo..

[Ferrarista]

Yeah, but to what?
That's the problem with the Euro. It's too damn good for the money!
Its pretty evident that they built it to a cost though

[yfin]

Its pretty evident that they built it to a cost though

Not sure what you mean exactly - are you saying it is poor quality for the money or it is poor value overall?

[yourfather]

There's nothing "rice" about the Evo. Yes, it has a big wing and a hood
vent but they are functional. It's simply one of the most incredible
performance cars you can buy.

yeah, but when it all comes down to it, the evo, and the base model, have exactly the same chassis.

thats why, it's a riced up lancer.

cuz i could go out, buy a lancer strip it, strip the evo.

exactly the same design.

riced uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp ppppppppp

[yfin]

yeah, but when it all comes down to it, the evo, and the base model, have exactly the same chassis.


Apparently the evo ix body - compared to the base lancer model - is stiffened with an extra 200 spot welds. So I was told on a test drive. So in terms of rigidity it is no comparison.

[yourfather]

wow, so it has 200 more welds, still same chassis. because, the exact design of the chassis, is unchanged.

just because I change a strut tower bar on my car doesn't mean that I've changed my chassis now does it?

[tony1234]

evo = performance
euro = less performance but heaps more class yo..
Yep.more class,and easier to live with as a daily driver!

[EuroDude]

The factory-rice evo should be compared to a teggy, not a luxury/classy based accord ;)

[tony1234]

*EuroAccord13 Edit*

Quote and Comments Removed

[Type R Positive]

lol how did the evo come into the picture? The factory-rice evo should be compared to a teggy, not a luxury/classy based accord ;)The evo came to picture because I am looking at getting either another euro or an evo (read my first post!).


As for it being a riced up lancer, WHO CARES? It is the best performance car under $100k period.

[Type R Positive]

listen up mate, you still got that newcomer label under your name, which means, that until you actually have a bit of rep around the parts, it does not matter what you have to say.

once you've 'made your bones' maybe then you can chuck your 2 cents in .

until then, keep your mouth shut.
Seeing as there is no "euro" in your list of cars, how about you Fcuk off to the other forums? :wave:

[EuroDude]

erm this thread needs to be closed I think, too much flaming ftw

[cdjhitman]

evo = performance
euro = less performance but heaps more class yo..

:thumbsup: foe shaw, class is what its all about. whats the point of having performance when these days when you do use performance theres a cop waiting for you around the corner? anyways thats my $0.02 worth lol. luxury and class, its the way to live life :p

[yourfather]

-edited out quoted rudeness- aaronng

Seeing as I have been asked to be nice to you guys,

All I have to say is, Although I think the Euro is a great car, just like the Lancer Evolution is also ~

All that matters is what you get out of owning your vehicle. Personally, if I had a Euro, and I wanted to sell him to get another one, there would be no real point to upgrade to a current model, because mechanically, it is the same car, and has had minor changes. Why not just keep the existing one.

And for those that are telling me to f off - that everyone has an opinion,

well, you're chastising me for having an opinion too, I find that rather hypocritical.

[Type R Positive]

All that matters is what you get out of owning your vehicle. Personally, if I had a Euro, and I wanted to sell him to get another one, there would be no real point to upgrade to a current model, because mechanically, it is the same car, and has had minor changes. Why not just keep the existing one.That is not the point. The point is if you would buy another one, regardless of if you have one now, or had one. It is a question really aimed at people with some idea of what the euro is like to own.

[yourfather]

Personally, if I had a Euro, and I wanted to sell him to get another one, there would be no real point to upgrade to a current model, because mechanically, it is the same car, and has had minor changes

i think, that is the part you missed.

it would be like having a pair of jeans you wear every day, and then going out and buying a brand new pair of the same - what's the difference?

[tony1234]

All i've got to say is that i'm happy with my Euro.It's a good all round car.:)

[Type R Positive]

i think, that is the part you missed.

it would be like having a pair of jeans you wear every day, and then going out and buying a brand new pair of the same - what's the difference?
That's exactly the point. If you know they are good jeans, you really like them, would you buy another pair the same?

I know people who drive Commodores. They would never ever get another Holden ever again.

[Slugoid]

What's the reason behind getting another Euro? IF your current Euro is fine as it is, why is there a need to get another one? Unless it was damaged, really worn and thrashed, or change of transmission, I don't really see the point.

If your happy with the Euro, stick with it and get another weekend car. Else, just mod it and have a bit of fun. All depends on what your after. For me, if I had to trade the Euro, I wouldn't get another Euro. Maybe wait for the next Euro or maybe another car. If it had to be a new car for around $45-55K, I'd pick:

- Golf GTi
- Mazda 3 MPS
- RX8
- MX5
- 350Z
- EVO!

Personally, I rather performance than luxury anyday. All of the above cars except the Evo has respectiable interior and creature comforts. All of them are more performance oriented than the Euro.

[TypeG]

rx8,mx5 and 350z are not practical compare to the others

[Slugoid]

rx8,mx5 and 350z are not practical compare to the others

RX8 isn't all that bad with 4 seats. Plus there was no mention of practicality in this thread so I assumed any car was up for consideration.

[Type R Positive]

RX8 isn't all that bad with 4 seats. Plus there was no mention of practicality in this thread so I assumed any car was up for consideration.Meh.... practicality isn't really an issue, it is only me and the missus.
With the 350Z, it is a bit too expensive and you would have to pay luxury car tax. The mazda RX8 seems to be priced about the same as the EVO and would be a nice step up indeed, no luxury car tax either!

[albii]

theres nothing wrong with the evo at all..
yes its not as refined as the euro but the performance is in another league.
coming from owning turbo cars and then to the euro it was a nice change to have a more upmarket and refined car.
but sometimes it works the other way,and some people that have always owned a stylish refined car like a euro would move on to a less refined but more raw and powerfull car..understandable really...

[tony1234]

theres nothing wrong with the evo at all..
yes its not as refined as the euro but the performance is in another league.
coming from owning turbo cars and then to the euro it was a nice change to have a more upmarket and refined car.
but sometimes it works the other way,and some people that have always owned a stylish refined car like a euro would move on to a less refined but more raw and powerfull car..understandable really...
Yep.that about sums it up!

[EuroDude]

Who said the Euro (manual) isnt a performance car? 7.7sec (7 flat if u power shift) is respectable, and easily beats the MX5 and RX8 auto, plus its almost as good as the wrx around corners according to the Wheels Mag comparo. Plus its a lux car so u have the best of both worlds ;)

[aaronng]

^^ It's not a performance car.

[tony1234]

Who said the Euro (manual) isnt a performance car? 7.7sec (7 flat if u power shift) is respectable, and easily beats the MX5 and RX8 auto, plus its almost as good as the wrx around corners according to the Wheels Mag comparo. Plus its a lux car so u have the best of both worlds ;)
Thats what makes it a good all round car.Particularly as a daily driver it's very easy to live with.:thumbsup:

[EuroDude]

well its not a "sports" car but its performs well. unless its an auto ;)

[yourfather]

mugen88's euro and my dc2 are about the same speed :)

[aaronng]

On track the Euro is no match for the DC2, both stock.

[yourfather]

well, mugen and I were at albert park last night lol

yeah, turning is heaps easier in my car. and braking late too

[aaronng]

Is yours a VTiR or Type R?

[Spec83]

I was in this situation a couple of weeks ago - could have gone another euro but i went for a vw polo gti with leather instead...

Paint / panel quality isn't quite as good as the euro but the interor fit and quality is :) The seats in the gti are to die for :) Plus having a turbo is an advantage hehe

[yourfather]

Is yours a VTiR or Type R?

vti-r

[tony1234]

Who said the Euro (manual) isnt a performance car? 7.7sec (7 flat if u power shift) is respectable, and easily beats the MX5 and RX8 auto, plus its almost as good as the wrx around corners according to the Wheels Mag comparo. Plus its a lux car so u have the best of both worlds ;)
Maybe not,but 7.7secs.isn't to be sneezed at!

[tony1234]

I was in this situation a couple of weeks ago - could have gone another euro but i went for a vw polo gti with leather instead...

Paint / panel quality isn't quite as good as the euro but the interor fit and quality is :) The seats in the gti are to die for :) Plus having a turbo is an advantage hehe
So you got rid of the Euro,wasn't yours an 05 model?Why did you sell it???:confused:

[Slugoid]

I was in this situation a couple of weeks ago - could have gone another euro but i went for a vw polo gti with leather instead...

Paint / panel quality isn't quite as good as the euro but the interor fit and quality is :) The seats in the gti are to die for :) Plus having a turbo is an advantage hehe

Interesting you went for the Polo rather than the Golf GTi. How's the performance in the Polo?? According to Motor is only does 0-100km/h in 8.58s. But I guess it will demolish the Euro around the corners ;)

[aleksandrov]

I'm am now very annoyed with my MY05 Euro Lux because I am getting a creaking noise from the back, just behind the seat, when I corner or go up a driveway. I'll have to check whether it may be due to poor installation of Mugen coilovers about 9 months ago. I hope it's something that can be easily fixed.

If I were to buy a new car now for a similar price to the Euro Lux, I'd probably go for a Turbo FSI Jetta with the leather interrior and electric seats (sunfroof and Xenons make it a lot more expensive). Apart from the awesome torque, the 6-speed DSG transmission gives it a major advantage, since it has the practicality of an auto, yet is faster 0-100 than a manual (the Jetta Turbo doesn't come in manual, but the DSG Golf GTI is faster than the manual GTI). The Jetta also has excellent sports suspension as standard, and much better paint quality than the Euro (much more resistant to swirls, scratches and chips). The refinement levels are very close. On the downside, there is a lot of evidence that VW reliability is well below Honda standards, but since I only intend to keep the car while under factory warranty, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

[EuroDude]

Rear creaking noise is/was a common issue. Its usually either the rear sway bar or the parcel tray behind the passenger speaker.

Parcel tray (rear deck) creak
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15092&page=3&highlight=creak

Other creaks
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=379903

[aleksandrov]

Rear creaking noise is/was a common issue. Its usually either the rear sway bar or the parcel tray behind the passenger speaker.

Parcel tray (rear deck) creak
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15092&page=3&highlight=creak

Other creaks
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/search.php?searchid=379903

Thanks. The second link doesn't work, but I'll check the parcel tray, which is where it sounds like it's coming from.

[Omotesando]

I think I quite like the Lexus IS250, its not too badly priced for what you get!
Although ever since the new Camry came out - I think they look too much alike - from far away especially from the rear, u can't really tell that easily!

Anyway - between the EVO IX and the STI - I think I'll go for the STI. Just because it has better interior and also HID's on it. The EVO is probably the best cornering machine ever on earth, but the STI isn't that far behind it in performance in the dry, sometimes even better (but you've to take into consideration fact that STI is running semi-slicks, which are slippery as hell in the wet. MOTOR should do a test in the wet with an STI and EVO, instead of only in the dry, me thinks.)

If you haven't owned a Turbo AWD before, I would seriously think you should get an STI or EVO. They're just so damn good at what they do, its not funny!

But to answer the original question, I will def buy another Euro again, provided it could be modded or at least got some better power and especially front end traction!

[kam]

i too, see no point, in selling a euro, and then buying a euro

not when all you get is a console + rims upgrade

and your loosing so much money on the trade, the money lost, just spend on the current car, itll easily get you a bodykit + rims etc

which will look and feel much better than a new euro

im personaly kinda getting sick of the euro

4cyl = sounds weak, and the car has no charactare or feel to it, not like old cars did. new cars, everything is electronic, i feel like im not connected with the car at all :(

[Chris_F]

that's because your euro is 'stocky pocky' lol of course it's going to feel bland its a 'refined' car from factory. They can be a bit if fun if you want them to be though...

[EuroDude]

Thanks. The second link doesn't work, but I'll check the parcel tray, which is where it sounds like it's coming from.


Re second link, search the Accord (not Euro) section for "creak".
There are alot of Euro threads that have not been moved from the Accord section to the Euro section.

[corn_flakes]

i too, see no point, in selling a euro, and then buying a euro

not when all you get is a console + rims upgrade

and your loosing so much money on the trade, the money lost, just spend on the current car, itll easily get you a bodykit + rims etc

which will look and feel much better than a new euro

im personaly kinda getting sick of the euro

4cyl = sounds weak, and the car has no charactare or feel to it, not like old cars did. new cars, everything is electronic, i feel like im not connected with the car at all :(


LOL...i hate climate control on the euro!

i want my simple switches, instead of having to press buttons and cycle through to the mode that i want, to the fan speed i want...bah!

[Dray_Templar]

would have to buy 1 before i can buy another one. but if sure would get one if i had the cash.

[EuroDude]

LOL...i hate climate control on the euro!

i want my simple switches, instead of having to press buttons and cycle through to the mode that i want, to the fan speed i want...bah!

U think thats bad? You should try BMW's iDrive, hectic...lol

[tony1234]

LOL...i hate climate control on the euro!

i want my simple switches, instead of having to press buttons and cycle through to the mode that i want, to the fan speed i want...bah!
I don't like it either.Just use the A/C switch and fan.Don't worry about climate control.That's what i do!

[albii]

jesus guys, i don't see how adjusting the fan speed could be simpler than just having a preset temperature.

[tony1234]

jesus guys, i don't see how adjusting the fan speed could be simpler than just having a preset temperature.
I find the fan blows too hard when it's set on auto after the car is parked for a while on a hot day.Just my opinion!!!

[BiLL|z0r]

So do I, but I guess it tries to get the car to set temp asap even if it's uncomfortable for the driver to have a cyclone in their face. :)

[LXRY]

Wouldn't buy another Euro, the reason being:

1. Too many dash rattles (which cant be fixed by Honda)
2. Drifting problem (maybe due to choice in tyres, which also can't be fixed by Honda) on the lxry, sport model with 17" bridgestones.
3. Sun roof doesnt automatically shut when car turns off.
4. Not enough power (needs a turbo).
5. Needs to be rear or 4wd.
6. Honda's quality assurance policy is a scam..just plain marketing bullshit.

Am I asking for too much??? Nope don't think so cause if it had all this plus what my lxry model has already I would buy one most definetly, so would the rest of Aust. too IMO. :thumbsup:

[tony1234]

Wouldn't buy another Euro, the reason being:

1. Too many dash rattles (which cant be fixed by Honda)
2. Drifting problem (maybe due to choice in tyres, which also can't be fixed by Honda) on the lxry, sport model with 17" bridgestones.
3. Sun roof doesnt automatically shut when car turns off.
4. Not enough power (needs a turbo).
5. Needs to be rear or 4wd.
6. Honda's quality assurance policy is a scam..just plain marketing bullshit.

Am I asking for too much??? Nope don't think so cause if it had all this plus what my lxry model has already I would buy one most definetly, so would the rest of Aust. too IMO. :thumbsup:
I've got an 06 lux as well.had it 4 mths.done 7600kms.Re: 1 Not a squeak or rattle in the car at all.
(If there was i'd find them!!!).2.All i can say is i changed the OEM tyres from new by choice(or good luck!!!) and i get NO drifting/pulling whatsoever!!!!.:confused:

[Spec83]

Interesting you went for the Polo rather than the Golf GTi. How's the performance in the Polo?? According to Motor is only does 0-100km/h in 8.58s. But I guess it will demolish the Euro around the corners ;)

Long story short - GF and I parted way after 2.5yrs and we had been paying half each.. she wanted to keep the car so i said fine and went and bought something else...

Didn't want a golf gti as once optioned up tips the scales around $46-50k where as my fully optioned polo was $31k drive away... only .2lt less in the engine department plus its hell smaller and easier to park.. It isn't as quick as the euro in a straight line but there is big torque from the turbo low down which maks going up hill and overtaking without changing gears easy as.. and yes it holds on like shit ot a blanket...

Going to get the HPR ecu upgrade in 2 weeks time hopefully - hello 152kW :D I dare say it will then be faster than the euro in a straight line

[Slugoid]

Going to get the HPR ecu upgrade in 2 weeks time hopefully - hello 152kW :D I dare say it will then be faster than the euro in a straight line

Sounds like it'll be a little beast :). Looking forward hear more about it.

[corn_flakes]

anyone heard about having ur car replaced by ur insurance company after a car accident? even if minor?

as it de-values the car, and the car is like brand new....

i need to do this!

[euro77]

what happened to ur car?
I don't think they will replace your car with a brand new one if it can still be repaired. only a written off car will be replaced with a brand new one (if your car is < 1-3 years old depending on the insurance company). Of course if there's such an insurance company like that, I'd like to know about it. But premium would be huge!

[kam]

lol sometimes i joke around with my mate about pulling off an insurance job

ie: smashing into each other, or stealing our cars lol

[euro77]

careful kam, if insurance company reads this and something happened to your car *touch wood* they might refuse to pay.

[tony1234]

anyone heard about having ur car replaced by ur insurance company after a car accident? even if minor?

as it de-values the car, and the car is like brand new....

i need to do this!
i don't think so.the premiums would be thru the roof.:eek:

[^__^ SM ^__^]

Also. Would anyone consider the new Toyota Aurion? About same price as Euro but with awesome engine from the specs. If it's the same engine as the GS350 then WOOHOO!!! I think only the car is made here and the engine is from Japan.. hopefully from the Lexus plant :P

Dad's Camry V6 Touring is still going strong after 65K and I must say much more quiet than my Euro (very sad to admit). I think it was the same engine as the ES300 of the time.

[tony1234]

[QUOTE=^__^ SM ^__^]Also. Would anyone consider the new Toyota Aurion? About same price as Euro but with awesome engine from the specs. If it's the same engine as the GS350 then WOOHOO!!! I think only the car is made here and the engine is from Japan.. hopefully from the Lexus plant :P
The earlier Camry V6s had the Lexus platform,engine,trans etc.Body made in Aust.So i think it would be the same with the Aurion.Yeah,would be int.to give one a fang.It'd go well!!!:thumbsup:

[Omotesando]

[QUOTE=^__^ SM ^__^]Also. Would anyone consider the new Toyota Aurion? About same price as Euro but with awesome engine from the specs. If it's the same engine as the GS350 then WOOHOO!!! I think only the car is made here and the engine is from Japan.. hopefully from the Lexus plant :P
The earlier Camry V6s had the Lexus platform,engine,trans etc.Body made in Aust.So i think it would be the same with the Aurion.Yeah,would be int.to give one a fang.It'd go well!!!:thumbsup:

YES!
That new Aurion is quite good. In fact even the new Camry is good too. Well I reckon too much power going thru the front wheels isn't the best idea but I guess at least you get more torque (and higher fuel consumption!)

I reckon those new Toyotas look like the IS250.. :)

Great price. Would seriously consider one next time, although interior still reeks of Toyota conservatism. As for reliability, hmm... Toyota Engines and everything else breaks down too much in Formula 1 lol. Hope its not affecting their image! :o

[tony1234]

[QUOTE=tony1234]

YES!
That new Aurion is quite good. In fact even the new Camry is good too. Well I reckon too much power going thru the front wheels isn't the best idea but I guess at least you get more torque (and higher fuel consumption!)

I reckon those new Toyotas look like the IS250.. :)

Great price. Would seriously consider one next time, although interior still reeks of Toyota conservatism. As for reliability, hmm... Toyota Engines and everything else breaks down too much in Formula 1 lol. Hope its not affecting their image! :o
Toyota reliability is good.IS250 is a hot looking car.Would like to take 1 of them round the block a few times.:thumbsup:

[Spec83]

Toyota engineering is almost bulletproof (well - at least in road cars)... some of the earlier engine series (3E & 5E) could do a cam belt while running and the engine would still be fine....

But i guess so are commodore engine - my dad's had 278,000kms without a major rebuild so its how you treat them too which counts...

As for the Aurion - I am not too keen :(

[cgspot]

If you were to buy / trade in for a new car, would you buy another Euro or something else?
I am thinking of getting another new Euro but also thinking of changing up for something with a bit more power like a Mitsubishi Evo IX. The Mitsu's are about $56k new so that's in my price range.....very tempting indeed.
It all depends - If they can fix my veering to the right issue - Yes
If not - No

[europro]

Veering to the right? Probably covered in another thread but sounds like caster or camber out from kerb kissin? Frustrating I'm hearing you there. A lot of front end aligners want a quick fix with just 'toe in' adjustment or wheel swapping which wont fix it.

[blk05gli]

theres nothing wrong with the evo at all..
yes its not as refined as the euro but the performance is in another league.
coming from owning turbo cars and then to the euro it was a nice change to have a more upmarket and refined car.
but sometimes it works the other way,and some people that have always owned a stylish refined car like a euro would move on to a less refined but more raw and powerfull car..understandable really...

i went from a Ti maxima to a civic and now I'm in a Euro. I missed the luxury and now I can still have fun in the twisty stuff and have a little luxury as well. As for another Euro, "when I grow up, I want to be a LEGEND :D "

[tony1234]

It all depends - If they can fix my veering to the right issue - Yes
If not - No
What's the latest on your drifting/pulling cgspot???

[aaronng]

Most Toyota engines are non-interference engines. Even the nice 2zz-ge won't munch the valves if the timing chain snapped.

BTW, while I don't like the new Camry's look, the Aurion is much better looking with better quality plastics in the interior. If I was shopping in the 35-40k range, I'd seriously consider it. When I bought my Euro, the only competition was the Mazda6 and Liberty. Throw the Aurion in, and it is a whole new game as the Aurion has good fuel consumption figures when driven normally. The only downside is the auto-only transmission.

[EuroDude]

agreed lol, the new camry has been beaten by the ugly stick, at least its a bit better than the previous model. The Aurion looks champ tho..

[tony1234]

Most Toyota engines are non-interference engines. Even the nice 2zz-ge won't munch the valves if the timing chain snapped.

BTW, while I don't like the new Camry's look, the Aurion is much better looking with better quality plastics in the interior. If I was shopping in the 35-40k range, I'd seriously consider it. When I bought my Euro, the only competition was the Mazda6 and Liberty. Throw the Aurion in, and it is a whole new game as the Aurion has good fuel consumption figures when driven normally. The only downside is the auto-only transmission.
Nice car but too big!!

[Chris_F]

Im sure the aurion is a comfortable car with more than enough power... I have my doubts as to how it handles compared to a euro though... I wouldn't trade my euro for one any day of the week

[cgspot]

What's the latest on your drifting/pulling cgspot???
Nothing at the moment, will let you know through the pulling to the right thred if there are any developments :)

[tony1234]

Im sure the aurion is a comfortable car with more than enough power... I have my doubts as to how it handles compared to a euro though... I wouldn't trade my euro for one any day of the week
yeah.I agree.there's more to a car than straight line performance.I'd rather own a car with less kw and better handling than more kw and not so good handling!

[aaronng]

2nd recall for the Commodore VE................ http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20734114-21822,00.html

[nick_7g]

I heard that today. Thats funny. Two recalls in two months. Thats dedication to qality testing.

[albii]

2nd recall for the Commodore VE................ http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20734114-21822,00.html
gotta love holden and how they reckon they can compete with bmw ..ha
they can't even compete with honda mazda or subaru..
like i said to a mate of mine.."i know it does 13.4 but it's still a holden and it's only a matter of time before the problems start to creep in".

[Type R Positive]

2nd recall for the Commodore VE................ http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20734114-21822,00.html
Another reason why I would never ever own an australian built car. :thumbdwn:

[tony1234]

Another reason why I would never ever own an australian built car. :thumbdwn:
Yep.I'll say it again,why would u buy their overated pieces of crap.Theyr'e a joke.:thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:

[EuroDude]

lol@holden... thats what happens when you constantly release sub standard cars using 10year+ old technology (they still use pushrods for the V8's for example) then rush and play the catch-up game and try to copy German cars where the technology has already matured.

Still prefer Holden over Ford though lol..

[aaronng]

The thing is recalls are fine, but recalls for such problems that shouldn't have happened in the first place are ridiculous!

A seat belt buckle that releases itself shouldn't pass ADR in the first place!

[80057]

lol@holden... thats what happens when you constantly release sub standard cars using 10year+ old technology (they still use pushrods for the V8's for example) then rush and play the catch-up game and try to copy German cars where the technology has already matured.

Still prefer Holden over Ford though lol..

the old push rods are from the late 50's i think from trucks...

they will always be bommodores to me. fair enough they are good to drive around a family of 5 and can tow a trailer but yeh over priced and lack of quality, they say they spent over 1 billion on development...i reckon half went on developing the marketing! holden and ford get good parts from around the world and chuck it together to make a car. so a car is never fully engineered from top to bottom thats why i think they arent that great.

I'll stick with jap cars, maybe top model euros when im rich ;)

[aaronng]

I can't help but laugh when people say pushrod technology is old.... when DOHC was first used in a Fiat in 1912!!!! DOHC is just as old. (just slightly younger) HAHAHAHAHAH

[destrukshn]

pfft, i'd still prefer a 351 xy gt over a euro............. for performance.
and myabe for looks.
lol.

[Type R Positive]

I can't help but laugh when people say pushrod technology is old.... when DOHC was first used in a Fiat in 1912!!!! DOHC is just as old. (just slightly younger) HAHAHAHAHAH
Come on now... 2 valves per cylinder? Say what?

[aaronng]

Come on now... 2 valves per cylinder? Say what?

DOHC/SOHC/Pushrod. Who was talking about the number of valves per cylinder?

[Chris_F]

haha typreR, DOHC stands for double overhead cam

[80057]

pfft, i'd still prefer a 351 xy gt over a euro............. for performance.
and myabe for looks.
lol.

Fords were build better in those days.

My mate had a xc coupe with 351, the roof and 2 rear qtr panels were one piece, and tough as nuts, you wont get metal machined like that these days.

[EuroDude]

Fords were build better in those days.

My mate had a xc coupe with 351, the roof and 2 rear qtr panels were one piece, and tough as nuts, you wont get metal machined like that these days.

Yeh but the crumple zones are terrible, which means more shock to the people in the car in a major accident. Plus there are no airbags etc..

[80057]

theres no doubt cars are safer and more luxurios these days

[Type R Positive]

DOHC/SOHC/Pushrod. Who was talking about the number of valves per cylinder?
me..... it goes with the push rods!

[Type R Positive]

Yeh but the crumple zones are terrible, which means more shock to the people in the car in a major accident. Plus there are no airbags etc..
Hahaha, this is what crumple zones cause in minor accidents.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56127
No doubt just a bit of paint chipping for an old car!

[Chris_F]

Hahaha, this is what crumple zones cause in minor accidents.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56127
No doubt just a bit of paint chipping for an old car!


hehe true, just imagine all the force that those crumple zones are absorbing though :thumbsup: the same accident in a car where the paint just chips a bit would transfer heaps of shock to the driver getting a steering column through the head or a severe case of wiplash

[mj3610]

I dont usually recommend holdens. but i bought motor yesterday and the new SS is only $45k and

0-100km 5.2secs
0-400m 13.4secs

Out accelerates the evo IX, the STi and the porsche cayman (but they are all way cooler).

Thats some greaty value (today). If you can handle depreciation and mediocre looks.

And, the eruo is a great car, but i wouldnt buy another one now. I know its updated here and there, but its essentially the same car. I would consider it again when an all new model arrives.

edit: had to fix some shoddy spelling
i agree.
i saw a spankin new SS commodore yesterday and it looked alright.

[tony1234]

i agree.
i saw a spankin new SS commodore yesterday and it looked alright.
Alright if u can handle shocking depreciation,poor engineering,poor build quality and be prepaired for lots of recalls!!!Good old aussie build quality.:thumbdwn:

[Chris_F]

im sure those SS's are damn quick but 1770kg kerb weight just doesn't sound like fun :P

[Type R Positive]

hehe true, just imagine all the force that those crumple zones are absorbing though :thumbsup: the same accident in a car where the paint just chips a bit would transfer heaps of shock to the driver getting a steering column through the head or a severe case of wiplash
I wouldn't think it would worry the bogan's that drive these cars too much anyway! :lol:

[mj3610]

Alright if u can handle shocking depreciation,poor engineering,poor build quality and be prepaired for lots of recalls!!!Good old aussie build quality.:thumbdwn:

lol they say its the finest car australia has ever produced, when holden says that it worries me lol.
anyone seen that billboard add thats got a picture of the new commodore and says Australia = 1, Germany = 0, cracks me up everytime.
better yet, the billboard add about the swift sport, "all show all go" lolllll.
i'd buy a euro anyday if they were rwd, they look sxc.

[tony1234]

I wouldn't think it would worry the bogan's that drive these cars too much anyway! :lol:
Yeah!!!

[EuroDude]

a picture of the new commodore and says Australia = 1, Germany = 0, cracks me up everytime.


bwahaha more like Aus = 1, Germany = 50 lol

The germans/Italians make the best cars in the world, how can a copycat GM/Holden compare :p
Freakin great car by Holdens standards though, thats fa sure...

[Chris_F]

I think this latest commodore is their best effort yet for sure... i just find it funny that they are trying to position it above bmw etc. as you said.

on one of the tv ads a quote is read (probably out of context) "better than any bmw"

"price isn't an option but yes I'll have a VE commodore over that M6 please"

[Type R Positive]

"price isn't an option but yes I'll have a VE commodore over that M6 please"
This concerns me most......
Have they even seen an M6? :love: :kiss2: :love: :kiss2: :love: :kiss2:

[tony1234]

"price isn't an option but yes I'll have a VE commodore over that M6 please"[/QUOTE]
Yeah right,who are they kidding!!!

[tron07]

Recently got a spanking new euro... next car, maybe a straight 6 RWD....

[Chris_F]

This concerns me most......
Have they even seen an M6? :love: :kiss2: :love: :kiss2: :love: :kiss2:


"price isn't an option but yes I'll have a VE commodore over that M6 please"
Yeah right,who are they kidding!!![/quote]

hahahaha, that was my exact reaction too


Recently got a spanking new euro... next car, maybe a straight 6 RWD....

do a sense an m3 ? *drools*

[aaronng]

^^ It had better be an M3. Even E36 is fine. If he meant Falcon straight 6 RWD... then FTL!

[tron07]

I dont see the point of upgrading if I were to buy a Falcon straight 6 RWD :P

[euro69]

i'll only buy another euro if it's a euro r

[aaronng]

I'd buy the next SH-AWD turbo Euro. But that also depends if I prefer to have my Seven-replica instead as a weekend car and keep the current Euro as a daily.

[EuroAccord13]

After almost three years of driving the Euro, I've come to the conclusion that I will not buy another Euro again, not that I have anything against it... More like it's time for an upgrade which will be hard to find because the Euro pretty much have it all at a budget price...

[Type R Positive]

After almost three years of driving the Euro, I've come to the conclusion that I will not buy another Euro again, not that I have anything against it... More like it's time for an upgrade which will be hard to find because the Euro pretty much have it all at a budget price...
Yeah, I hear ya. I have pretty much settled on getting an Evo IX.

I start my new job in January, so I should have a new car then. :)

[^__^ SM ^__^]

Just wondering why Evo IX? Is it better than 350Z or RX-8? all about same price i saw.

[Type R Positive]

Just wondering why Evo IX? Is it better than 350Z or RX-8? all about same price i saw.
Cheaper and better than 350Z, ~ same price and better than RX-8.

I always wanted an Evo, plus they really hold their value. They are also said to be the best performance car on the market under $200k.

Plus it has charisma! :p

[aaronng]

EVOIX, 350Z and RX-8. 3 totally concepts. It's like trying to compare an Euro to a WRX. The differences are totally well defined.

You want a hard raw car that compromises comfort and fuel economy for performance and handling, then go EVOIX.

You want a comfortable cruiser that can give a bootful and handle good when you want to, yet remaining fuel efficient, 350Z.

If you want a practical sporty car, and don't care about outright speed nor fuel consumption (or you just love rotaries), then RX-8.

[Type R Positive]

You want a hard raw car that compromises comfort and fuel economy for performance and handling, then go EVOIX.
Well actually, on claimed fuel consumption, Evo IX wins out of these 3 cars.
Evo IX - 10L/100kms
350Z - 11.8L/100kms
RX-8 - 12.6L/100kms

Hardly a fuel compromise @ 10L/100kms! I'm sure if you give all 3 a boot full, then economy goes out the window, esp the RX-8.

My view on the Evo IX is the interior is not as nice as the other two, but nothing wrong with it either.
I am also yet to drive one. Reviews say that the ride is real firm, but that doesn't worry me. Even the Euro could do with some firming up, and after riding in one with coilovers, I don't see what the big deal is.
I don't want nor do I expect it to be luxury either, otherwise I would just buy a BMW or Lexus.

[80057]

I've driven a evo 7, and it is nuts, awesome grip and handling (better then my gen 3 crx), you guys are right about the interior quality, same plastics as a normal 20k lancer, but the seats are some of the best i've sat in for body support, but looks hell mean on the outside and i think thats what i like most about it. so if thats what u want go ahead, i love em to bits. but it aint to practical for me, i'd be worried to park it anywhere these days.

The rx8 has surprisingly alot of guts (i've driven a mates) tho my mate reckons he can only do 300k's on a full tank, he drives it pretty hard and like most rotors it sucks alot of juice when driven hard., the opposite back doors actually give good room to get in and out i think (not as good as a four door of course, but way better then a 2 door)

unfortunately i havent had the chance to drive a 350z, but the shape is awesome and with 200+kws it has to be fun.

[tony1234]

I know the evos do go hard(i've driven a VII) but as a daily driver i don't think so,also i'd be paranoid about parking the thing anyware and the ins.!!!$$$.Maybe i'm getting old!!!!

[aaronng]

Well actually, on claimed fuel consumption, Evo IX wins out of these 3 cars.
Evo IX - 10L/100kms
350Z - 11.8L/100kms
RX-8 - 12.6L/100kms

Hardly a fuel compromise @ 10L/100kms! I'm sure if you give all 3 a boot full, then economy goes out the window, esp the RX-8.

EPA testing numbers do not reflect real life fuel consumption. Especially for a high output turbo car like the EVO. The testing method is more appropriate for NA piston engines. Under EPA testing methods, it was carried out in the most fuel efficient manneer as possible, that means running when the turbo was not spooling. I think EVOs consume about 14-16L/100km when not driven hard (but still making decent power).

BTW, RX-8's real life consumption is about 18L/100km!

[aaronng]

I know the evos do go hard(i've driven a VII) but as a daily driver i don't think so,also i'd be paranoid about parking the thing anyware and the ins.!!!$$$.Maybe i'm getting old!!!!

Nah, I'd bet the EVO would disappear as soon as the owner stepped inside a restaurant for lunch if he was in a not so car-friendly neighbourhood. :)

[cgspot]

If you were to buy / trade in for a new car, would you buy another Euro or something else?
I am thinking of getting another new Euro but also thinking of changing up for something with a bit more power like a Mitsubishi Evo IX. The Mitsu's are about $56k new so that's in my price range.....very tempting indeed.

I WILL if someone sends me a PQ point or two :)

[euro77]

Get EVO X instead of IX :D

[Type R Positive]

Well, I put the quote forms in to my new employer (BHP) today, one for the Euro and one for the Evo IX. We will have to see what they come back with.
I can't wait to move back to civilisation!!!!!

[Suntzu]

You know I test drove a Libery B4 the other day and it made me realise just how bloody good the euro is as a day to day driver! Give me 140kw any day of a liberties 190kw lagggodelivery.

Im might even keep mine now if the hondata ever appears in the next month or so. I really do respect my ride.

[Type R Positive]

I might even keep mine now if the hondata ever appears in the next month or so.
Hahahahaha. I wouldn't be holding your breath. :)

[Type R Positive]

You know I test drove a Libery B4 the other day and it made me realise just how bloody good the euro is as a day to day driver! Give me 140kw any day of a liberties 190kw lagggodelivery.
Have you driven the 3 litre Subi's before?
I have a friend who has an Outback 3.0R. Nice car.

[aaronng]

Have you driven the 3 litre Subi's before?
I have a friend who has an Outback 3.0R. Nice car.

The previous model outback was slow, underpowered at low RPM, and had soft doughy handling. Plus the non-sculpted driver's seat gave me a numb butt.

[tony1234]

Have you driven the 3 litre Subi's before?
I have a friend who has an Outback 3.0R. Nice car.
The Subi 3 ltr RB is the go 180kw 6 sp AWD.It goes hard.But $57k???

[80057]

Well, I put the quote forms in to my new employer (BHP) today, one for the Euro and one for the Evo IX. We will have to see what they come back with.
I can't wait to move back to civilisation!!!!!

i did the same thing, i knew the evo was outta my range but i wanted to see anyway, there was no discount on the evo at all, where as the euro got a nice 4 k discount thru my lease company, it ended up with a 16-17k difference.



Have you driven the 3 litre Subi's before?
I have a friend who has an Outback 3.0R. Nice car.

my brother in law has 3.0 liberty, and its quite good but not 15k better then a euro

[tony1234]

my brother in law has 3.0 liberty, and its quite good but not 15k better then a euro[/QUOTE]
Thats what i think.

[aaronng]

Use the "quote" button, Tony. :)

[tony1234]

Use the "quote" button, Tony. :)
Haha.Keep forgetting.:o

[Type R Positive]

i did the same thing, i knew the evo was outta my range but i wanted to see anyway, there was no discount on the evo at all, where as the euro got a nice 4 k discount thru my lease company, it ended up with a 16-17k difference.
I've worked out the evo is only $100 a week before tax more than the Euro.
I think the discount is about $4k for both cars. As I said before, just have to wait and see what the quotes come back at.

My Euro was only costing me $200 a week after tax. That was for everything as you know.... fuel, maintenance, etc....

[aaronng]

I've worked out the evo is only $100 a week before tax more than the Euro.
I think the discount is about $4k for both cars. As I said before, just have to wait and see what the quotes come back at.

My Euro was only costing me $200 a week after tax. That was for everything as you know.... fuel, maintenance, etc....

Over 2 years?

[euro77]

Isn't it usually 3 years?

[Type R Positive]

Over 2 years?
Yes. Lease over 2 years.

[Type R Positive]

Isn't it usually 3 years?
Anything from 1 year to 5 years.
The longer you lease it for, the cheaper the payments are,
and the cheaper the residual ammount is when the lease is up.

It just works out for what you have to pay each week and the residual ammount, 2 years just seems the best option (imo!).

[conroe]

yes I would. In manual trans.

[VirIIx]

What's all this Subaru slagging off going on in this thread? :p

The euro has great merits.. but I love my new Subaru Liberty GT B.Spec

It's not as comfortable on bumpy roads.. and it really makes you curse the NSW Government more.. fix.. our.. roads..

As a driver's car.. the GT is nicer.. as a luxury car, definately the Euro in terms of extra comfy gadgets and controls.

Just for reference about payments, I was a CHP for the Euro, 5 years, 30% residual. I'm on the same thing now for the GT, but payments wise i'm forking out roughly $150 or so more..

And i had a pretty decent deal compared to those who rant on about a 62K driveaway (ripped off to those suckers)

[sodaz]

What's all this Subaru slagging off going on in this thread? :p

The euro has great merits.. but I love my new Subaru Liberty GT B.Spec

It's not as comfortable on bumpy roads.. and it really makes you curse the NSW Government more.. fix.. our.. roads..

As a driver's car.. the GT is nicer.. as a luxury car, definately the Euro in terms of extra comfy gadgets and controls.

Just for reference about payments, I was a CHP for the Euro, 5 years, 30% residual. I'm on the same thing now for the GT, but payments wise i'm forking out roughly $150 or so more..

And i had a pretty decent deal compared to those who rant on about a 62K driveaway (ripped off to those suckers)

The GT spec B is a very nice car indeed. I test drove one the other day myself. I don't really like the look of them though, compared to the Euro it kinda looks dated imo (both inside and outside). The GT B has much better torque and strong acceleration from the turbo (though not quite Evo/WRX level). The gearbox isn't as good as the Euro's but the drive is very good even though it does feel a bit heavier around corners.

The sport (SI?) setting knob is gimmicky i reckon and really isn't that practical (it feels like you have 1/2 an engine with the intelligent setting). Overall it's a great car imo. If i'm looking for a new car that would definitely be on my shopping list.

[VirIIx]

I don't really like the look of them though, compared to the Euro it kinda looks dated imo (both inside and outside)

The inside isn't that bad actually. It's comparable to the Euro if not better IMO, the red lights at night are a bit conservative, but really nice on the eyes and the seats are more comfortable, especially the momo steering wheel, small and thick and a very good feeling. The controls are a bit... stiff and not as responsive as the euro or well layed out imo, but you get used to them hehe.. The look is probably the biggest thing. The headlights aren't much different, a bigger grille and the lights at the back are tidied up more than the MY04 models. Overall, it's an appearance that won't get much attention until people see the low scoop in the front which gets a lot of finger pointing as i drive around


The GT B has much better torque and strong acceleration from the turbo (though not quite Evo/WRX level). The gearbox isn't as good as the Euro's but the drive is very good even though it does feel a bit heavier around corners.

The car is still fresh... 450km on the clock at the moment.. so i still can't go crazy.. but from my initial... testing.. it's a thrill, the torque is absolutely awesome. You can have 4 people in the car and it won't struggle like the euro, the car does feel slow.. but it's just the torque pulling it.. doesn't need to be revved up like the euro. I'm still adjusting to AWD drive as i've always been a FWD driver in my past 2 cars, so i know how to push to the limits in those sorts of drivetrains. Taking a corner.. reasonably fast is still a bit of a funny feeling and the car only feels heavy when you are trying to turn the steering wheel while it is motionless.

The gearbox is definately no where as nice as the Euro, or as durable, but it has a good smooth feeling to it and most of the gear changes so far have been smoother than in the euro.. though.. i haven't done it in the higher rpm's yet... :p

The power/torque from the car is enough for driving comfortably on the road, as you say, it's no where near that of an WRX/EVO but.. it has more than the average car, enough to hold it's ground and out out if needed. It's a small trade off considering the comfort and luxury you get inside, unlike a barebone lancer.. oh i mean Evo :] which you're really only paying for the engine and performance..


The sport (SI?) setting knob is gimmicky i reckon and really isn't that practical (it feels like you have 1/2 an engine with the intelligent setting).

This is a bit controversial i think for a lot of people, and until you're actually using it - you don't know how good it is.

So far, the fuel economy when i'm in Intelligent mode and Sport mode is giving me fuel economy that i would normally have in my Euro if i was driving it moderately hard sometimes. I'm predicting 450-500km before my fuel up on the 64L tank.

In Intelligent mode, it's great to puddle along in peak traffic when it's bumper to bumper.. i wouldn't bother trying to overtake.. it just won't have the power but for peak traffic - perfect. Also great if you're a bit of an old fart and a sunday driver :p It brings the car down to 148kW and a bit lower torque that i can't remember.

In sport mode, which brings the car back up to it's maximum power/torque potential of 184kW/339nm. Of course, it's as responsive as the euro in this mode, normal everyday driving, enought to be driving happily, taking off lights, overtaking etc...

If you want real fun.. where the throttle is at max, just at ouch of the accelerator will bounce the needle unbeliavably high when taking off.. IMO it has TOO much power for the normal roads.. eg..60 or even 80.. as the car just pushes for more.. and if you can't deliver.. it's not worth using it as it will result in discomfort..

Each mode of course increases fuel guzzling potential by 2L each setting.. but.. it's great that you can control how much power you'd like the car to deliver.

I think i was showing Aaron the other day when i got it.. hehe.. that was in sport mode :] can't remember if I demonstrated the car in Intelligent mode..

[Jaso]

Hey just here to offer my opinion.

Say if your in the 40-60 k category never before have you had so much choice. It all comes down to what you want out of a car? From what ive read (since i dont own a Euro) the Euro is a good, comfortable daily driver (which is what the majority of us use our cars for the majority of the time).

Im 16 but my parents have owned an array of different cars since they lease them. Ive found that even if its a good car, its nice to have "a change"

In the same segment, the Mazda 6 MPS will give you great performance and handling, as will the Liberty 3.0 Spec B or GT, although neither of them are that quick in a strait line, all of these three have good safety, comfortable and well equiped. I dunno but maybee if you wanted to get another Euro i would wait until the new one arrives, that just a personal thing, i know others wont mind if their car is outdated shortly after they buy it.

Considered the 350Z, RX-8 or S2000...i know that these are hard to find for 60k new but you could consider a near new one with low km? None of them would be as practical as your Euro but im sure they would be rewarding to drive.

Another possibilty is the Audi A4 1.8T?, again you could pick up a near new one, that has low km.

The IS250 is a beautiful car, and has got a nice 150kw V6, and is available in manual.

Then we get to the big cars. The Aurion is a nice package, with the top model (Prescara i think its spelt?) absolutely overflowing with features. Its 200kw V6 is good but compared to others (namely the commodore but more particularly, the falcon) it lacks torque.

Purely on features, the commodore wins hands down, and is very competative to any other car that is around 51-53k (Weyre talking the SS-V series here)

Safety: 6 Airbags, ESP
Performance: 270kw V8, 0-100 in (5.4 ive seen but wheels seems to get 5.7)
Features: Dual zone climate control, leather seats, 11 speaker audio system,...all the fruit.

Ok, as for the quality, yes we have seen two recalls, but hey, even Toyota have had a few recalls in the past couple of years. Theres no shortage of people in this forum who have had quality issuies with their Euro either. Speaking from personal experiance, you could own a commodore and never have a problem with it, or you could own one and have 3 or 4 problems, as for the most recent commodores weve owned, we've hadnt had one problem, just like the toyota's weve owned.

You can say the technology is old, but hey, it works and it gets you to 100 faster than any other car for 50k ;)

At the end of the day, you need to decide what you want from the car, and pick the best overall package that suits you.

Cheers.

[ROBERT]

JASO,

First let me congratulate you on your well constructed letter, particularly the ABSENCE of poor spelling and grammer (bearing in mind your young years). I am an old fart of 63 years and it is very refreshing to to read your letter.
Regarding the comparison between the Euro and the localy built products with respect to quallity the Euro wins hands down. Quallity is much more than just the frequency of breakdowns or recalls, the Euro just shouts out QUALLITY, the fit of the body panels, the lack of squeeks and rattles, the way the doors close etc.
I have had Commodors and Falcons for the past 20 years so I can speak with some experiance. The Euro is excelent value for money both quallity wise and performance. On a twisty road it will give my V8 Cobra a good run for its money (in a straight line it is a different story)
Once again Jaso, great letter.

[VirIIx]

I agree with Robert,

definately a great write up, and to the point, "At the end of the day, you need to decide what you want from the car, and pick the best overall package that suits you." is 100% correct.

Though, I find it troubling what you would personally define as a fast straight line car. Given that you referred to a Holden SSV V8 as being around 5.7s 0-100, I figure that's your benchmark for a fast straight line car.

Just to recycle some of your examples chosen,

The Mazda 6 MPS is quicker than my Liberty GT B.Spec (L-GT) on a straight line marginally, from what I've read from various articles.

The 350Z is pretty much around the same mark as the Mazda 6 MPS and L-GT.

The Liberty 3.0R is only around 7 seconds, like the S2000 and the RX-8 has had various reports... but I would personally sit it around 7 seconds if you were launching at a very high RPM, since i've personally seen a few against my Euro.

Audi 1.8T's are slower than the Audi 2.0T's and even the Quattro version which i looked at with many options to match the euro would have an OTR of around 72K - and that's pushing a damn good deal, that car only sits around around 7.2s 0-100, Lexus isn't any faster than a Euro, just a touch.

This is of course if you want to compare straightlines..

Pricing wise, You'd be able to secure any of those vehicles second hand for a very good price around 40K give or take.

Brand new at around 60K, a 350z and RX8 with Leather Pack. S2000 is just overpriced... IMO, same with the Lexus IS250, although they are quite a nice package.

But keep in mind.. it's not just straightline which determines everything.. you have handling and other various factors.

But we won't get into a big fight over which car is faster and better here etc, that's just childish.

All cars have their merits and it's up to the individual to decide which of those merits appeal to them. That's why there are people who drive Kia's and Hyuandai's and think that a Tiburon is crash hot :]

Each to their own..

[mattpearce]

JASO,

First let me congratulate you on your well constructed letter, particularly the ABSENCE of poor spelling and grammer (bearing in mind your young years). I am an old fart of 63 years and it is very refreshing to to read your letter.

Ohh, the irony.

Grammar is spelt with an a, not with an e.

Matt

[Type R Positive]

Well guy's, I'm down in Perth now, I ended up getting the missus a Toyota corolla accent sport sedan.

I was going to get a civic, but two things put me off. First of all, it ain't no euro. By that I mean they don't even compare. The interior seems very cheap and the dash seems very strange.

The second (and the biggest) point is that they say that no civic's in the country till march. Guess Honda just lost $24k.

I got the corolla because the missus is working in the city, that means dodgy car parks......, and it is pretty well equipped for a cheap run around car. It's got toyota vtec too! She is happy, although she wanted another Euro, but she didn't want to part with the $38k or so.

On another note, I test drove an Evo IX yesterday...... OMFG!!!!!! I must have this car. I knew it would be good, but not this good. My bro and I with the salesman took it for a good strap, I got to flog it down the highway - went from 80km/h to [yfin edit stupid speed - be careful] in about 3 seconds. The whold car feels tight. If you think the euro is sporty, think again!!!!! Yeah I know, they are built for a different reason, but hey, the evo is a damn nice car.

Went and drove a commodore SS as well (bro wants one) and they don't even compare to the Evo. Bro is looking at an Evo now! You can't beat technology!!!

Anyways, just waiting for the quotes to come back in, hopefully I will have one parked in my driveway.

[blueoval]

sounds awesome Type R. Keep us all informed

[Euro76]

Well guy's, I'm down in Perth now, I ended up getting the missus a Toyota corolla accent sport sedan.

I was going to get a civic, but two things put me off. First of all, it ain't no euro. By that I mean they don't even compare. The interior seems very cheap and the dash seems very strange.

The second (and the biggest) point is that they say that no civic's in the country till march. Guess Honda just lost $24k.

I got the corolla because the missus is working in the city, that means dodgy car parks......, and it is pretty well equipped for a cheap run around car. It's got toyota vtec too! She is happy, although she wanted another Euro, but she didn't want to part with the $38k or so.

On another note, I test drove an Evo IX yesterday...... OMFG!!!!!! I must have this car. I knew it would be good, but not this good. My bro and I with the salesman took it for a good strap, I got to flog it down the highway - went from 80km/h to [yfin edit stupid speed - be careful] in about 3 seconds. The whold car feels tight. If you think the euro is sporty, think again!!!!! Yeah I know, they are built for a different reason, but hey, the evo is a damn nice car.

Went and drove a commodore SS as well (bro wants one) and they don't even compare to the Evo. Bro is looking at an Evo now! You can't beat technology!!!

Anyways, just waiting for the quotes to come back in, hopefully I will have one parked in my driveway.

If you want performance, go for Evo9 of course. It's really addictive when turbo kicks in from low 3000rpm, rather than Euro's 6,250rpm VTEC kicks in. Evo9 offers you hardcore and attempting to always accelerate but will sacrifice smooth ride comfort. If you want comfort go for Euro. Though it's lot slower than Evo9, but it's still quick when VTEC kicks in :) Best of luck getting the car you want. Keep us informed :thumbsup:

[EuroDude]

The problem with the EVO is every thief and his dog will be eying ur car, plus insurance is a lot more

[yfin]

The problem with the EVO is every thief and his dog will be eying ur car, plus insurance is a lot more

Not such an easy car to steal with the sat tracking standard. Insurance isn't too bad either - I was quoted $1200 for the Evo.

[Euro76]

That depends on where the car was garaged, not all suburbs are the same. Where suburbs have high rate of criminal the insurance will be more expensive that the ones in low rate of criminal.

[blueoval]

What was the excess on the evo?

[yfin]

What was the excess on the evo?

Standard AAMI excess of $500. What Euro76 says about suburb risk applies to all cars - so I don't see what that has to do with the Evo specifically. My Euro costs me $780 or so in insurance. So for the same location the Evo costs $1200. Not as much difference as some people assume turbo cars cost in insurance. The biggest downside I see with the Evo is fit and finish given its price. No cruise control is also unforgiveable Mistsubishi.

[Euro76]

What Euro76 says about suburb risk applies to all cars - so I don't see what that has to do with the Evo specifically.

Maybe yes maybe no, might think this may differ from one insurance company to others. Only my opinion though.

[Type R Positive]

The biggest downside I see with the Evo is fit and finish given its price. No cruise control is also unforgiveable Mistsubishi.
I would agree with the fit and finish, the subi STI's seem to be a lot nicer inside. I also believe the STI's have cruise control standard.

What I did like with the Mitsu is that 100km/h in 6th is at 2500rpm. Nice and economical.

[80057]

i see the evo as basically a street legal rally car with a few creture comforts, the sti is more a street car with comfort with rally mechanicals. i think the evo would be fun for a weekender if you like a thrill and some track days, the subby alittle more of a everyday driver. the euro a pleasure to drive everyday, but i dont think match track work for the euro unless u put some money into it and then u would be losing the comforts that make it so good to drive everyday.

this weekend i drove my girls astra around as she had her parents dogs (i dont want hair in my euro) i used to think it a ok car to drive, but now after the euro its terrible. i guess you get used to things.

[Thorn2004]

I love my 05 Milano Red Luxury and it gets plenty of attention with the black tints on red car so I don't think I will be getting rid of it any time soon however I did get the brochure book for the new Legend from my dealer out of curiousity, looks pretty nice, the car not the book ;)

[tony1234]

I love my 05 Milano Red Luxury and it gets plenty of attention with the black tints on red car so I don't think I will be getting rid of it any time soon however I did get the brochure book for the new Legend from my dealer out of curiousity, looks pretty nice, the car not the book ;)
Yeah red looks hot in Euro.It was my 2nd.choice.:thumbsup:

[Miss_GTI]

Hmm I had the same problem.. was gonna trade in the 03 Euro for 06 but couldn't do it coz;

A. ugly stock rims
B. point of a new car is a new car!
C. wanted a black euro (currently got silver) but didn't like the shade of beige on it still :(

So.. based on B... and persuasions from A & C, went hunting for a new car, looked at the VW Jetta as someone mentioned earlier as a similar standard of car but no go... in the end, still got the 03 Euro plus now, a VW Golf GTI instead... ;)

Sorry guys, call me a traitor... but I :love: my GTI!!!

[80057]

GTi's rock, i love the blue tinge to the interior display, and the DSG GTi has launch control wow! unfortunately a pram and shopping dont fit in the boot and when i started looking waiting lists were still to long for me to bother even knowing something from VW didnt help. The jetta even tho it has the same engine doesnt have the raw edgy power delivery felt in the Gti, but the boot is even bigger then a commodores. but as a daily driver and with those in mind i got the euro and am very happy with fit finish and it can go it you give it some stick.

[aaronng]

So.. based on B... and persuasions from A & C, went hunting for a new car, looked at the VW Jetta as someone mentioned earlier as a similar standard of car but no go... in the end, still got the 03 Euro plus now, a VW Golf GTI instead... ;)

Sorry guys, call me a traitor... but I :love: my GTI!!!

I won't call you a traitor, but could I get a ride in your GTI? :p

[tony1234]

I won't call you a traitor, but could I get a ride in your GTI? :p
Yeah,me too!!:angel:

[aaronng]

There is also a Golf R32 parked downstairs at my apartment. I'm so tempted to leave my number and ask for a test ride. :p

[Miss_GTI]

GTi's rock, i love the blue tinge to the interior display, and the DSG GTi has launch control wow! unfortunately a pram and shopping dont fit in the boot and when i started looking waiting lists were still to long for me to bother even knowing something from VW didnt help. The jetta even tho it has the same engine doesnt have the raw edgy power delivery felt in the Gti, but the boot is even bigger then a commodores. but as a daily driver and with those in mind i got the euro and am very happy with fit finish and it can go it you give it some stick.

Yehhh... I know about the waiting list, but I got in with an order that was cancelled coz they didn't want to wait anymore but it was already on the ship on its way... :)


I won't call you a traitor, but could I get a ride in your GTI? :p


Yeah,me too!!:angel:

Aww... u guys!!.. *blush*

[Miss_GTI]

There is also a Golf R32 parked downstairs at my apartment. I'm so tempted to leave my number and ask for a test ride. :p

I like the back end of the R32 but not enuf to want to spend $60k on a wittle car with 2 extra cylinders and shedding about 1sec off 0-100km/h whilst eating up more V-Power Racing! haha

[aaronng]

I like the back end of the R32 but not enuf to want to spend $60k on a wittle car with 2 extra cylinders and shedding about 1sec off 0-100km/h whilst eating up more V-Power Racing! haha
True true, it's a car for people with "excess" money. :p

The seats and exhaust sound are nice too. Hehe...

[Euro76]

I love my 05 Milano Red Luxury and it gets plenty of attention with the black tints on red car so I don't think I will be getting rid of it any time soon however I did get the brochure book for the new Legend from my dealer out of curiousity, looks pretty nice, the car not the book ;)

Agreed. My wife was preferring me to get red but she was finally agreed to get black after "formal" discussions lol :D :p

[Euro76]

I won't call you a traitor, but could I get a ride in your GTI? :p
Can I get in the line as well? :p

[aaronng]

Can I get in the line as well? :p

You're about 940km too far south. :p

[Euro76]

You're about 940km too far south. :p
Yeah thats pity, but friend of mine got mkv r32, but i wouldnt spend 60k for a hatchback :(

[Miss_GTI]

You're about 940km too far south. :p

haha u just threw someone out of my queue! haha

[aaronng]

haha u just threw someone out of my queue! haha

LOL, I'm evil... :p

[Miss_GTI]

LOL, I'm evil... :p

yeahhh coz u want a ride in the GTI all to yourself! :p haha

[IAMVTEC]

I checked. I cant even get an Evolution insured. :( Not that I care since Id never buy one of those.

Thorn, I think the Euro looks better than the Legend from the outside. The Legend is a very generic styling, but its a great car otherwise.

[tony1234]

yeahhh coz u want a ride in the GTI all to yourself! :p haha
I don't mind sitting in the back!!:angel:

[Miss_GTI]

All these ppl in the car should negatively impact on the performance... one at a time plz :cool:

[tony1234]

All these ppl in the car should negatively impact on the performance... one at a time plz :cool:
hahaha.:)

[aaronng]

All these ppl in the car should negatively impact on the performance... one at a time plz :cool:

I like the way you think :thumbsup:

[Miss_GTI]

I like the way you think :thumbsup:

Ohh.. thanks! I like the way I think too! hahaha :p

so when would u like to make an appointment? Perhaps there is a waiting list...