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kitbkk
05-11-2006, 10:57 PM
hi everyone,
Well the story is, Im going back to Thailand for a few months for a holiday and as the market of seccond hand parts overthere are very huge and dirt cheap comparing to here. I have been thinking of buying Porsche big brake kit and bring them over here to fit my Euro. Well, I know I might sound like an idiot that wanna run bigger brake kit for street use but... it is very very cheap there and I want to give it a try.
Well, my question is that, to get the brake kit that is not designed especially to suit our euro, what do I need to look at? From what I know of is the rotor has to have the same stud pattern with our car, the diameter of the whole kit has to clear the wheel, and what else? Is customizing a bracket for caliper to fit our car possible to do here?
Thanks heaps guys
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Type R Positive
06-11-2006, 12:25 PM
Is customizing a bracket for caliper to fit our car possible to do here?Yes it is, go to a brake shop like race brakes there in Melbourne and they should be able to sort you out.
I think upgrading the brakes is a great idea. I have actually looked into getting one of those AEM brake +1" upgrade kits for my euro, but they don't make them yet for the TSX.
kitbkk
06-11-2006, 12:56 PM
sounds sweet.
Hopefully customizing the bracket will cost anything cheaper than 700 aud.
I saw some raw finished brackets on ebay to suit brembo calipers or porsche calipers. The bracket themselves have no holes waiting for your workshop you go to drilling to your spec.
Im planning to run something that is bigger than the brembo GT model. The 6 pot calipers are really tempting lol. Well, those brembos of F40 and F50 look damn cool too.
JasonGilholme
06-11-2006, 01:13 PM
Just remember its not just your pads and discs that help stop the car. Your tyres, suspension and weight distribution will have a big effect as well.
Just cause your gettin brakes off a ferrari or something doesn't mean they'll work like they do on a ferrari.
Yes they'll perform ALOT better but might not be as good as you think casue they will cause other problems that need attention.
Good luck tho. I'm upgrading my brakes tonight as well ;)
tony1234
06-11-2006, 03:58 PM
hi everyone,
Well the story is, Im going back to Thailand for a few months for a holiday and as the market of seccond hand parts overthere are very huge and dirt cheap comparing to here. I have been thinking of buying Porsche big brake kit and bring them over here to fit my Euro. Well, I know I might sound like an idiot that wanna run bigger brake kit for street use but... it is very very cheap there and I want to give it a try.
Well, my question is that, to get the brake kit that is not designed especially to suit our euro, what do I need to look at? From what I know of is the rotor has to have the same stud pattern with our car, the diameter of the whole kit has to clear the wheel, and what else? Is customizing a bracket for caliper to fit our car possible to do here?
Thanks heaps guys
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I'd do some homework before you spend$$$$ on a big brake kit not designed for the euro,sounds like 2 many headaches.I did upgrade of pads(from Japan) only on my car,BIG diff.Try that 1st.because OEM pads are crap.
kitbkk
06-11-2006, 04:02 PM
Just remember its not just your pads and discs that help stop the car. Your tyres, suspension and weight distribution will have a big effect as well.
Just cause your gettin brakes off a ferrari or something doesn't mean they'll work like they do on a ferrari.
Yes they'll perform ALOT better but might not be as good as you think casue they will cause other problems that need attention.
Good luck tho. I'm upgrading my brakes tonight as well ;)
lol yeah i kno other things contribute as well. Are you upgrading the whole kit ? Can you tell us what are they? thanks
kitbkk
06-11-2006, 04:05 PM
I'd do some homework before you spend$$$$ on a big brake kit not designed for the euro,sounds like 2 many headaches.I did upgrade of pads(from Japan) only on my car,BIG diff.Try that 1st.because OEM pads are crap.
yeah im doing a research now. well, I know pads do improve but lol as stated above that, it is very cheap overthere and I want the look as well so yea thats why im planning to upgrade the whole kit.
hi everyone,
Well the story is, Im going back to Thailand for a few months for a holiday and as the market of seccond hand parts overthere are very huge and dirt cheap comparing to here. I have been thinking of buying Porsche big brake kit and bring them over here to fit my Euro. Well, I know I might sound like an idiot that wanna run bigger brake kit for street use but... it is very very cheap there and I want to give it a try.
Well, my question is that, to get the brake kit that is not designed especially to suit our euro, what do I need to look at? From what I know of is the rotor has to have the same stud pattern with our car, the diameter of the whole kit has to clear the wheel, and what else? Is customizing a bracket for caliper to fit our car possible to do here?
Thanks heaps guys
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I would love to see this done for the unique factor. I would really recommend, however, you follow the legalities on brakes. The last thing you want is your insurance company denying a claim in an accident. Plenty of things people can get away with - but a primary safety device such as the braking system could be a big issue.
According to Vicroads in this mod guide you need an approval certificate for a brake conversion so get that done for peace of mind.
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/VSI%208.pdf
most of the brake caliper bracket can be customized to suit specific car or their make one to suit yours. But check out the clearance first before you buying big brake kits.
kitbkk
06-11-2006, 04:46 PM
I would love to see this done for the unique factor. I would really recommend, however, you follow the legalities on brakes. The last thing you want is your insurance company denying a claim in an accident. Plenty of things people can get away with - but a primary safety device such as the braking system could be a big issue.
According to Vicroads in this mod guide you need an approval certificate for a brake conversion so get that done for peace of mind.
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/rdsafe/VSI%208.pdf
thanks yfin. im having a read :)
hey ALN, you know any shops that customized brakets in Melbourne?
thanks yfin. im having a read :)
hey ALN, you know any shops that customized brakets in Melbourne?
I know racing project can make these brackets for brake since he got the machines stuffs and Race Brake in flemington close to mobil petrol station, they customed the brackets for my friend 6 pot Ap racing for sc430
But check out the clearance first before you buying big brake kits.
One of the most important things said in this thread... Clearance to spokes and the rim can be an issue.
Type R Positive
06-11-2006, 05:05 PM
One of the most important things said in this thread... Clearance to spokes and the rim can be an issue. LOL! I know someone who won't be using the stock rims!!! ;)
kitbkk
06-11-2006, 05:08 PM
here are some pics of a Thai accord running F50 Brembo front calipers and EVO7 calipers in rear. Front rotors = Biot Rotor Disk 340 mm 2 Pieces.
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1846 8
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1846 9
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1848 6
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 0
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1864 9
and here are some pics of customized brackets to suit the mounting holes on the Thai Accord
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 2
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 3
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 5
So anyone knows are the holes pattern on the Thai accords are the same as our Euros?
here are some pics of a Thai accord running F50 Brembo front calipers and EVO7 calipers in rear. Front rotors = Biot Rotor Disk 340 mm 2 Pieces.
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1846 8
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1846 9
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1848 6
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 0
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1864 9
and here are some pics of customized brackets to suit the mounting holes on the Thai Accord
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 2
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 3
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 5
So anyone knows are the holes pattern on the Thai accords are the same as our Euros?
The suspension parts of this accord is the same with euro but dunno about the brake. my guessing should be around the same or close.
TypeG
06-11-2006, 05:13 PM
sexy brake disc
Type R Positive
06-11-2006, 05:13 PM
Brackets look very easy to make! I say go for it if you are keen!
The suspension parts of this accord is the same with euro but dunno about the brake. my guessing should be around the same or close.
Double wishbone yes, but are you sure it is the same as the CL9?
Kitbkk - I think you should PM Noel about your Porsche brake idea - username AP1 F20c (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member.php?u=214) . He knows a lot about different braking systems. Link him to the thread so he can reply here.
kitbkk
06-11-2006, 05:18 PM
The suspension parts of this accord is the same with euro but dunno about the brake. my guessing should be around the same or close.
some pics of installation of the brackets, rotors and calipers.
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1865 9
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1866 0
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1866 1
http://www.accordclubthailand.com/webboard/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7565.0;attach=1866 3
can anyone confirm they are the same? or we need to messure the width of the holes to know?
[QUOTE=yfin]Double wishbone yes, but are you sure it is the same as the CL9?
QUOTE]
For the suspension part I'm quite certain but not so sure about the brake. Check out the koni shocks parts for tsx/ euro and that accord is the same and it works for coilover as well from what I remembered.
Vtec_inside
06-11-2006, 06:29 PM
i have seen ppl use dc5 R jap spec with brambo and modify it 2 fit euro in singapore. No sure about evo tho...
TypeG
06-11-2006, 06:37 PM
just get it and in the wrost case u modify the bracket
kitbkk
06-11-2006, 07:29 PM
I have heard some people who are running dc5 and evo brembo calipers on their thai accords saying that those calipers come with fixed brakets. So to fit them on their cars, there are heaps of modifications to do eg cutting, welding and hitting some parts of the suspension to match. Im afraid of that worse case senario lol. Well, the porsche, F40 and F50 calipers dont have fixed brackets so yeah, I will try looking for them when I go back. The whole kit shouldnt be more than 2000 aud hopefully.
aka_NSX
06-11-2006, 07:54 PM
from your #3 thread u mention u might be getting the 6 pots BBK, just to remind u even my friend NSX with 6 pots BBK he got problem to find the right wheels and offset, coz the one on the pics u posted on the accord one is not 6 pots looks like only 4 pots, so i dont think 6 pots will fit ur euro, but maybe i'm wrong
curik
06-11-2006, 09:15 PM
Damn! Nice brake setup! But actually I wonder if 118kw ever needs such a big brake kit other than looks! Unfortunately the euro has a bigger disc at the front (300mm). The US accord is 282mm.. Check this out http://www.dba.com.au/dba_catalogue_2004/HTML/AUST2006_PDF/HONDA_AUST_06.pdf
BTW Does anyone know how much roughly is a DBA 4000 series rotor is?
Damn! Nice brake setup! But actually I wonder if 118kw ever needs such a big brake kit other than looks! Unfortunately the euro has a bigger disc at the front (300mm). The US accord is 282mm.. Check this out http://www.dba.com.au/dba_catalogue_2004/HTML/AUST2006_PDF/HONDA_AUST_06.pdf
BTW Does anyone know how much roughly is a DBA 4000 series rotor is?
Could be the V6 type one, bro.:D then its probably need it
kitbkk
06-11-2006, 10:43 PM
Damn! Nice brake setup! But actually I wonder if 118kw ever needs such a big brake kit other than looks! Unfortunately the euro has a bigger disc at the front (300mm). The US accord is 282mm.. Check this out http://www.dba.com.au/dba_catalogue_2004/HTML/AUST2006_PDF/HONDA_AUST_06.pdf
BTW Does anyone know how much roughly is a DBA 4000 series rotor is?
nice find man lol but what is EURO V6? and also are you sure those specs are stock? not the specs of their after market rotor?
lol yeah my car is slow and only has 118kw lol..
but everytime I look at the stock rotors and the calipers, its a lil bit anoying me coz they look so small compared to the 19" rims lol. I more tend to go to looks more than performance.
from your #3 thread u mention u might be getting the 6 pots BBK, just to remind u even my friend NSX with 6 pots BBK he got problem to find the right wheels and offset, coz the one on the pics u posted on the accord one is not 6 pots looks like only 4 pots, so i dont think 6 pots will fit ur euro, but maybe i'm wrong
can you remember ur friends rotors diamitor and rim size?
I think those 4 pot caliper BBK would be more practical anyway as it might be cheaper in terms of replacing pads as well.
How about the bell/hat size and offset? any more info on this?
I heard in some countries they can make custom hats/bells with right offsets and size to suit the rotors, calipers and rims I guess. They can custom this here too?
curik
06-11-2006, 11:05 PM
haha.. I mean that Thai accord is only pumping 118kw at the crank and yet it has a better brake setup than an evo does
TypeG
07-11-2006, 04:45 PM
they are just a stock setup for EVO and they are on a Euro coz EVO probably need better brake so they are out on a EUro.
Depends on how you drive your car. It is useful if u like tailling other cars all the time and of coz it will be useful for track.
curik, u dun even actually need upgrading your rotor for street use actually
Type R Positive
07-11-2006, 04:56 PM
BTW Does anyone know how much roughly is a DBA 4000 series rotor is?
I have seen them on a US website (yeah, I know they are Aussie) and they were very very expensive. I will have another look for them.
tony1234
07-11-2006, 05:37 PM
Damn! Nice brake setup! But actually I wonder if 118kw ever needs such a big brake kit other than looks! Unfortunately the euro has a bigger disc at the front (300mm). The US accord is 282mm.. Check this out http://www.dba.com.au/dba_catalogue_2004/HTML/AUST2006_PDF/HONDA_AUST_06.pdf
BTW Does anyone know how much roughly is a DBA 4000 series rotor is?
Looks sharp,but i think it's overkill.Better just upgrade pads and DBA 4000 rotors.Just my opinion.:p
TypeG
07-11-2006, 06:34 PM
Looks sharp,but i think it's overkill.Better just upgrade pads and DBA 4000 rotors.Just my opinion.:p
if you drive slowly, u may not even need pads and rotor especially
kitbkk
07-11-2006, 09:22 PM
yeah there is no need at all for BBK but... I want it!!!!
If the whole kit is more than $2000 AUD then Im out.
Might need to get drunk before I go shoping at the wreckers overthere too :p
curik
07-11-2006, 10:03 PM
Lets see if underground imports have something to say about this DBA4000 series rotors for the euro. Trav... how much do they cost?
tony1234
08-11-2006, 06:29 AM
yeah there is no need at all for BBK but... I want it!!!!
If the whole kit is more than $2000 AUD then Im out.
Might need to get drunk before I go shoping at the wreckers overthere too :p
Or drugs!!!!
BusterSonic12
08-11-2006, 01:22 PM
i still got oem 17" rims :D so the stock brakes still looks alright on the front, but when looking at the rear.... the brakes are soo pin~!!!
kitbkk
08-11-2006, 03:38 PM
cant stop thinking about the brake so I went to the workshop today and was told that I can run 355mm rotors with no problems. Yay!!
I was also told that they can custom make brackets, bell/hat for the two piece rotors. This guy said 8pot calipers are runable for 19" rims but.... dang.. Ill just get 4 pot calipers that are disigned to look longer (look similar to 6/8 pot calipers) as they would be more practical lol.. Aiming at F50 calipers for now. [fingers crossed]
It is useful if u like tailling other cars all the time and of coz it will be useful for track.
Do people actually tail gait cars on purpose, i thought they were just retarted drivers:thumbdwn: If anyone here tail gaits on purpose sorry, but ur a dick!
curik, u dun even actually need upgrading your rotor for street use actually
nor for track use, good pads and fluid would do just fine. But as the OP said, its more to fill in his wheels.
Type R Positive
08-11-2006, 04:58 PM
Do people actually tail gait cars on purpose, i thought they were just retarted drivers:thumbdwn: If anyone here tail gaits on purpose sorry, but ur a dick!
Yep. I always give a quick brake check if i'm feeling indifferent, or if I feel like playing, I just take my foot off the accelerator and slow right down! If they were in a hurry before, they are in a bigger one now! :D
tony1234
08-11-2006, 05:00 PM
Yep. I always give a quick brake check if i'm feeling indifferent, or if I feel like playing, I just take my foot off the accelerator and slow right down! If they were in a hurry before, they are in a bigger one now! :D
I do the same.Pests like that are better in front of you than on your ar*e.:thumbdwn:
If somones right up my ass, i give em the good old brake jump. Hold ur clutch in drop it down a gear so u got some power on tap, then u slam ur brakes on hard for just a split second, and drop ur cluth with a little power to get back to speed so u dont fall to far back. Scares the absolute shit out of the tailgater when ur brake lights shine bright in there face, they get the idea real quick, makes em think your an absolute psyco. Every time ive done this they usually drop back to at least 20m and stay well away.
Hopefuly makes em think twice before gettin up somone elses ass.
TypeG
08-11-2006, 05:15 PM
nor for track use, good pads and fluid would do just fine. But as the OP said, its more to fill in his wheels.
lol it does help if u are on track for a whole day
TypeG
08-11-2006, 05:17 PM
If somones right up my ass, i give em the good old brake jump. Hold ur clutch in drop it down a gear so u got some power on tap, then u slam ur brakes on hard for just a split second, and drop ur cluth with a little power to get back to speed so u dont fall to far back. Scares the absolute shit out of the tailgater when ur brake lights shine bright in there face, they get the idea real quick, makes em think your an absolute psyco. Every time ive done this they usually drop back to at least 20m and stay well away.
woooo that sound like you enjoy those brake hahaha
kitbkk
08-11-2006, 05:25 PM
lol ok guys back to topic,
TypeG what brand is ur 2 piece rotors? Can they be ordered with special colour and offset? Check this out, http://www.biot.co.jp/brake_lineup.html pretty cool but damn..lots of $$$$$$$$.
I think calipers would be a lot easier to find 2nd hand than 2 piece rotors.
TypeG
08-11-2006, 09:12 PM
yes
those two piece rotors are very very pricy for some reason
you may just get some bigger rotor to for in your rims
for different color..... you can order the middle part seprately from other brand to fit in so do the rotor itself.
If somones right up my ass, i give em the good old brake jump. Hold ur clutch in drop it down a gear so u got some power on tap, then u slam ur brakes on hard for just a split second, and drop ur cluth with a little power to get back to speed so u dont fall to far back. Scares the absolute shit out of the tailgater when ur brake lights shine bright in there face, they get the idea real quick, makes em think your an absolute psyco. Every time ive done this they usually drop back to at least 20m and stay well away.
Please don't do this. You may think it is a funny thing to do but people may not react in a predictable way. Eg your sudden braking could cause an inexperienced driver to swerve and cause a fatal accident (especially if they are "right up your ass" as you put it). Think about it..
martizzle
09-11-2006, 01:40 PM
just put cruse control right on the speed limit (wipe off 5) let them tail gait you...and when you stop at the lights they can look at your F50 brembo brakes :p
lol it does help if u are on track for a whole day
ur brakes cool down between runs. Yes ur right if u spend all day actually racing around the circuit non stop.
with 118kw on tap, if your brakes are overheating, your using them to much as most people do the first few times they go on track.
Ask anyone who is a regular track whore and they will tell you exactly the same, unless ur car has big power (high speeds coming into the braking sections) Good pads and fluid will do fine.
Please don't do this. You may think it is a funny thing to do but people may not react in a predictable way. Eg your sudden braking could cause an inexperienced driver to swerve and cause a fatal accident (especially if they are "right up your ass" as you put it). Think about it..
yeah ur right there, i never thought about it like that, usually by the time they react id be well up to speed, so they have no chance of running into the back of me, however i never thought about them swerving into other traffic. Thanks for the insight:thumbsup:
just put cruse control right on the speed limit (wipe off 5) let them tail gait you...and when you stop at the lights they can look at your F50 brembo brakes :p
haha, sounds like a plan:thumbsup:
TypeG
09-11-2006, 03:06 PM
ur brakes cool down between runs. Yes ur right if u spend all day actually racing around the circuit non stop.
with 118kw on tap, if your brakes are overheating, your using them to much as most people do the first few times they go on track.
Ask anyone who is a regular track whore and they will tell you exactly the same, unless ur car has big power (high speeds coming into the braking sections) Good pads and fluid will do fine.
it is not determined by whether you got a powerful car or not as some tracks will have fair a bit of corners which a high power car will not have the chance to use that power to reach a high speed before the corner. While a power ful car will usually equip with a better stock brake, a slower car may require some better rotor and pad to stop and cool down.
it is not determined by whether you got a powerful car or not as some tracks will have fair a bit of corners which a high power car will not have the chance to use that power to reach a high speed before the corner. While a power ful car will usually equip with a better stock brake, a slower car may require some better rotor and pad to stop and cool down.
Seriously, with a stock car, u wont be getting the system to the temps required to overheat good racing pads and fluids even with smallish rotors, unless you ride the brakes to much, as alot of beginers do.
as ur power goes up, the cooling effiency needs to increase aswell, to keep brake temp constant, no matter what track u run, tight or long. yes different tracks will mean different brake temps, but as u add more power, brake temps increase. No matter how tight the track is.
some tracks will have fair a bit of corners which a high power car will not have the chance to use that power to reach a high speed before the corner.
sorry but i totally dissagre with this, the more power you have, the higher the speeds you will be entering the braking zones at full stop, unless your like, hmm that next corners kinda close, better to cruise along and brake less, instead of full acceleration before braking hard for it.
More power = More speed entering braking zone = Higher brake temps
dosent change if the straight is 30m or 1km
TypeG
09-11-2006, 03:48 PM
Seriously, with a stock car, u wont be getting the system to the temps required to overheat good racing pads and fluids, unless you ride the brakes to much, as alot of beginers do.
as ur power goes up, the cooling effiency needs to increase aswell, to keep brake temp constant, no matter what track u run, tight or long.
we are noob :p so we need it
hehe. im cirtainly not saying its imposible to overheat racing pads and fluids in a stock car! A good example of all this is in the top levels of the honda chalange in america, most of the top level racers use stock/close to stock sized rotors to keep unsprung mass down, with no ill effects.
kitbkk
23-02-2007, 12:15 PM
well.. update guys!!!!!
I got back here like about a week now and what I brought with me is this...
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6270/picture035xr1.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3278/picture036yp2.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6797/picture037rw2.jpg
I couldnt be focked trying to look for 2nd hand brake kits anymore when I saw this kit for sale in Thailand.. A brand new set for front costed me just under 2000aud . The kit includes 2* 355mm 2 piece rotors, superlite 4 piston caliper, brake lines and pads. Unfortunately, I will still have to get the brakets customed as in Thailand there is no Euros so I couldnt get info from anywhere about the distance between the holes in the mount. If anyone interested I can still contact the seller. I weighted one rotor, a pair of pads and one caliper. It is only something about 8-9 kilos all together whereas the stock rotor + stock caliper + pads weight something like 14 kilos.
just cant wait to get them installed
sendok
23-02-2007, 12:44 PM
wow.. can't wait to see them fitted... will wait :D
Chris_F
23-02-2007, 12:49 PM
ooo nice brakes, they are 100% genuine? if so that's a great price!
interesting to know that they are so much lighter than stock too hehe
TypeG
23-02-2007, 12:59 PM
lol
of coz genuine
a set of Brembo GT 4 pots only cost $2200 =)
i just know that hahaha
cant wait to see it fit......
lol
of coz genuine.
Chris asks a fair question - so much of what I saw in Thailand is counterfeit and hard to know whether it is genuine.
how much does just a quality brake pad replacement help in stopping power?
BusterSonic12
23-02-2007, 07:05 PM
what brand for the calipers? *sorry i m noob* :P
Chris_F
23-02-2007, 07:15 PM
lol
of coz genuine
a set of Brembo GT 4 pots only cost $2200 =)
i just know that hahaha
cant wait to see it fit......
big brake kits can be very very expensive. it's a good price for the genuine part.
should look hot on the car :thumbsup:
Cranial
23-02-2007, 07:15 PM
Haha as you can see in the piccies, it's Wilwood.
http://www.wilwood.com/
Very nice kit Kit! lol
Chris_F
23-02-2007, 07:18 PM
how much does just a quality brake pad replacement help in stopping power?
quite a bit!
a brake pad upgrade is one of the most underrated modifications.
most after market pads will be a huge step up from standard
tony1234
23-02-2007, 07:27 PM
I've seen them on a US site(can't remember which one!)Seems a bit extreme though.I'd just go for slotted rotors and pad upgrade.Just my opinion.:)My bad.Should have read previous post.
mugen88
23-02-2007, 07:41 PM
Kit,
Nice one will these calipers clear yr existing rims?
BusterSonic12
23-02-2007, 08:58 PM
^^ hehe never heard of them
TypeG
23-02-2007, 09:04 PM
^^ hehe never heard of them
are u seriously from HK:p
it is like everywhere
TypeG
23-02-2007, 09:05 PM
big brake kits can be very very expensive. it's a good price for the genuine part.
should look hot on the car :thumbsup:
depends on where u buy
if u buy in Aus.... yes it is pricy...
but u get from asia... they are like on most cars coz they are CHEAP:cool:
BusterSonic12
23-02-2007, 09:06 PM
OI i m noob :@ stop bullying me :O
TypeG
23-02-2007, 09:06 PM
Chris asks a fair question - so much of what I saw in Thailand is counterfeit and hard to know whether it is genuine.
is there fake cailper?i really dunno there is some exist....
kitbkk
23-02-2007, 11:57 PM
ooo nice brakes, they are 100% genuine? if so that's a great price!
interesting to know that they are so much lighter than stock too hehe
lol man... i know lots of stuff in my country is copied...but..this kit is more than 100% genuine lol... still... if anyone interested..i can still hook up with the dealer.. coz he can give me really good deal lol
Chris_F
24-02-2007, 12:00 AM
lol man... i know lots of stuff in my country is copied...but..this kit is more than 100% genuine lol... still... if anyone interested..i can still hook up with the dealer.. coz he can give me really good deal lol
101% genuine? that's what i like to hear hahaha
I think i'll make do with a pad upgrade, but if I ever get more serious about my breaks I'll be in touch haha
kitbkk
24-02-2007, 12:03 AM
Kit,
Nice one will these calipers clear yr existing rims?
I think it will clear.. coz 355mm is something around 14".. so.. 355mm rotors requires the minimum of 18" rims.. I guess it will fit.. if not.. I think I will have to sell this kit which I do not want to. Hopefully it will fit..:D
Chris_F
24-02-2007, 12:05 AM
355mm is freaking huge!
kitbkk
24-02-2007, 12:05 AM
lol
of coz genuine
a set of Brembo GT 4 pots only cost $2200 =)
i just know that hahaha
cant wait to see it fit......
lol Gas.. GT 4 pots is surely nice but.. If I get it .. the rotors are still only 330mm which is still too small for me haha.. and the calipers are still too small for my liking.. well... I think Im happy with this kit man
kitbkk
24-02-2007, 12:16 AM
355mm is freaking huge!
chris man.. I thought I would go with something more extreme but.. having the car in one country and being in another made it hard to decide and mesure on the bigger kit. The dealer quoted me 3035aud for 6 postons calipers plus 355 rotors kit which I didnt have enought money to focked with lol
TypeG
24-02-2007, 12:34 AM
355 is very big and will look nice with a big rims like you
blk05gli
24-02-2007, 10:49 PM
I'd do some homework before you spend$$$$ on a big brake kit not designed for the euro,sounds like 2 many headaches.I did upgrade of pads(from Japan) only on my car,BIG diff.Try that 1st.because OEM pads are crap.
what pads did you get?
tony1234
25-02-2007, 03:28 PM
what pads did you get?
Delphi.Made in Japan for AP Racing apparently.If you want to know where to get them PM me.PS Cost $280.00 for fronts only so not cheap.:D
Nice buy there!
How do you plan to keep the origional brake bias?
Theres a good chance the pistons need more fluid pushed into them to fully push the pads against the disk. If so, the rears will lock well before the fronts have reached hard braking. ie your braking power will actualy lessen quite alot with this kit.
Have a look at using an aftermarket adjustable prop valve and distribution block if you find this to be the case after youve installed those huge sexy brakes.
Do some testing in a safe area to see how well the brakes are ballanced!
kitbkk
27-02-2007, 09:46 PM
^ thanks for the advice man. I have not thought of it before. :thumbsup:
sendok
28-02-2007, 09:21 AM
is there fake cailper?i really dunno there is some exist....
yeah bro, it does exist.. i found some fake calipers (only a cover - with brembo or so) and it does nothing just attach the cover to the calipers.. hahaha..
but i really want to get the real things for my ride, but can't afford it for now.. like kitbkk one, i really LOVE it :D
tron07
28-02-2007, 09:48 AM
If the brake bias is upset, you could easilly fish tail if the rear lock up before the front...
curik
28-02-2007, 10:23 AM
get a brake balance controller for 10,000 credits kitbkk! :P
kitbkk
14-04-2007, 08:29 PM
update...
too much headache indeed...:thumbdwn:
my car has been at at the workshop for about 5 weeks now. this is becoz they were busy with moving from the old workshop to the new one plus some material was needed to be ordered in and stuff. rotor hubs are needed to be custom made coz the ones that came with the kit made the rotors touching the rims. new brackets need to be custom made aswell. so if u guys are thinking of upgrading to big brake kit, those kit that are designed/made for the specific model is highly reccomended not something universal like mine. well, here are some pics that I took yesterday. almost done, calipers and everything is fitted. except there is creeking noise when i turn the steering wheel. I think its the tension problem or something but they still havent found wat made the noise.
pics; sorry about the quality of the pics, they are taken from my fone
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4056/image016vh6.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5482/image020uz9.jpg
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2194/image021nb1.jpg
from the last pic, you can see that the calipers are not designed for rotors this big....it can still be used but i will have to get the pads machined after they ware out unevenly.
wow those look huuuuge! I am no expert but surely such a huge change has the potential to confuse the ABS system in an emergency.
I would think that with brakes that big you won't be needing ABS any time soon
TypeG
15-04-2007, 12:34 AM
****
the disc are way too big man
universal kit is fine but the disc seems doesnt match the caliper very well
tony1234
15-04-2007, 08:28 AM
I don't like the look of that!Your rotors are going to wear uneven!
Yeah you really need bigger calipers
kitbkk
15-04-2007, 10:53 AM
:( will let you know wat the updates are soon.
I was told I would recieve a call yesterday when the car is done.
Waited all day and didnt even hear anything from them....
damn.....5 weeks and Im missing my car man...
raz05
15-04-2007, 01:29 PM
wat size is the disc, it looks huge compare to the caliper
kitbkk
15-04-2007, 02:19 PM
the discs are 355mm
kitbkk
17-04-2007, 12:32 AM
just got the car back. it doesnt have clearance issues with the rims now BUT....
the squeaking noise is still there from the bolts that are on lower part of the front lower arms.... the mechanic changed the bolts to smaller size to give better clearance to the brake but...the noise is still there when turning on to ramp and when car going pass bumpy road.. so much headache. will have to take my car back there again :thumbdwn:
well here are some pics.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1537/rez478sb6.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8614/rez479sa0.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2533/rez480kd4.jpg
the brake just feel a lil bit beter or no difference at all. i dunno whether its because the contact area between the pads and the rotors is only the edge of the rotors or whether it still needs to bed in and pads need to be a lil bit more worn out.. but.. its not worth doing it at all imo :thumbdwn:
Gerald28
17-04-2007, 12:40 AM
sorry to hear about all the problems dude
the rotors looks massive compared to the calipers!
but anyway, ur cars looking good :thumbsup:
Hope u can find the squeaking noises soon
Damn.... It looks nice Kit.:thumbsup:
Pumped
17-04-2007, 01:24 PM
At least it looks great :p
mr747
17-04-2007, 01:44 PM
looks mad
sendok
17-04-2007, 04:41 PM
it does looks hot man.. but disc a little bit too big for the caliper indeed.. maybe you can find another smaller disc to fit?
mugen88
17-04-2007, 05:21 PM
At least u gave it try, good work.
how does the braking feel?
EuroAccord13
17-04-2007, 11:19 PM
You are not going to get maximum brake feel if the calipers are too small anyway... Time to UPGRADE :D :D :D
kitbkk
17-04-2007, 11:34 PM
yes they are too big for the rotors lol. thanks for possitive comments guys. well, wanna get bigger calipers too but i think it will be super hard to sell these calipers here unless u want to buy them nick:p
You are not going to get maximum brake feel if the calipers are too small anyway... Time to UPGRADE :D :D :D
Bigger calipers will make the pedal more spongy (unless you upgrade to a larger master cylinder), they need more fluid due to the larger pistons. (also moving brake ballance further to the rear, unless upgraging the prop valve to an adjustable item)
The ideal brake feel is a stiff pedal with little movement, somthing seen in most high level race cars. Its shown that humans are much better modulating brake pressure using force, not movement.
IMO brake 'feel' would probably be worse with larger calipers, unless you went with a larger master cylinder to push more fluid.:thumbsup:
EuroAccord13
18-04-2007, 02:04 PM
Yeah true, upgrading to a bigger MC is a must for larger calipers!
kitbkk
18-04-2007, 09:04 PM
Bigger calipers will make the pedal more spongy (unless you upgrade to a larger master cylinder), they need more fluid due to the larger pistons. (also moving brake ballance further to the rear, unless upgraging the prop valve to an adjustable item)
The ideal brake feel is a stiff pedal with little movement, somthing seen in most high level race cars. Its shown that humans are much better modulating brake pressure using force, not movement.
IMO brake 'feel' would probably be worse with larger calipers, unless you went with a larger master cylinder to push more fluid.:thumbsup:
thanks man for the knowledge:thumbsup:
fleeball
16-11-2007, 02:53 PM
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but Iwould like to know the outcome of this upgrade. Need to upgrade the rotors on my EURO, getting brake shudder, and was looking an bigger brakes.
Kitbkk, can youplease enlighten us.
kitbkk
16-11-2007, 02:58 PM
I just upgraded the EBC greenstuff pads to wilwood pads. The outcome is super nice. I can stop the car from travelling about 80-100km to zero in only a few seconds. The car revs a lil bit faster as well as the rotors weight is a lot less. I was a lil bit shocked as now Im in Thailand driving other cars. Im missing the stopping power of my euro now hhehe.
ummm what do you want to know then?
fleeball
16-11-2007, 03:27 PM
Did you end up upgrading to larger calipers?
kitbkk
16-11-2007, 03:29 PM
ah yes I did. Please have a look through the pages. There are some pics as well as those problems I came across. Hope it helps. Or if you need to know something else please PM me.
fleeball
16-11-2007, 03:35 PM
Thanks for the updates. Will send PM when I get home.
CL9-K24A3
16-11-2007, 04:01 PM
hey kit,where u gonna put the willwood one??i dont mind if you put it in my car.hahaha!!
kitbkk
16-11-2007, 08:20 PM
^^aye? Its been on my car like ages ago man???
shadou
16-11-2007, 10:20 PM
holy crap you still upgrading your brakes?
kitbkk
17-11-2007, 01:31 PM
^nah Joe
This thread was started like the end of last year.
Suntzu
17-11-2007, 04:54 PM
I just upgraded the EBC greenstuff pads to wilwood pads. The outcome is super nice. I can stop the car from travelling about 80-100km to zero in only a few seconds. The car revs a lil bit faster as well as the rotors weight is a lot less. I was a lil bit shocked as now Im in Thailand driving other cars. Im missing the stopping power of my euro now hhehe.
ummm what do you want to know then?
Where can you buy these "wilwood pads" in australia and how much? Are they ok for the rotors?
Im really after a decent street pad but am not convinced of the value in EBC.
At the risk of sounding like a nooberelli, If you get bigger front discs and callipers, can you use your stock front rotors for the Rear wheels as a replacement????? that would be awesome value if you could.
kitbkk
17-11-2007, 06:42 PM
I got the pads from wilwood seller on ebay. Im not sure whether they have the application for stock size. You can check it on wilwood website. I got the q series which is quite good for street.
About using the stock front rotors and rear calipers, the euros is using the hand brake mechanism that pushes out in the rear rotors (if you know what i mean). So basically, the front rotors are different type from the rear. Even those after market big brake kit in the rear are more expensive that the front ones just because of the parking brake mechanism.Hope it makes sense though.
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