Spoon Racing torque damper for CL7 fit CL9?

[TypeG]

As topic, any idea?
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8389/untitledti8.png

[dynosaur]

good to have one....

it can reduce the excessive vibrations from the engine......

increase the engine responces .

CL7 or CL9 just the matter of the bracket only...

[euro69]

i dont think it will fit due to they have different engines, but im not to sure

[tony1234]

As topic, any idea?
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8389/untitledti8.png
I think it's to reduce engine movement and vibration during hard/fast launches from standstill.From what i've read theyr'e a worthwhile install.:p

[TypeG]

i know it is worthwhile
but will it fit is a problem

[aaronng]

From pics of the J's racing one, the power steering pump line will be in the way of the CL7 torque damper. Not sure about spoon's.

[TypeG]

where i can find the pix's of j's one?

[Chris_F]

From pics of the J's racing one, the power steering pump line will be in the way of the CL7 torque damper. Not sure about spoon's.

the spoon will most likely have the same fitment issues as the j's racing one.

I think the best way to go is to make a bracket to Jtso's (TSX forum mod guru) specifications then buy an etd shock seperately

[ALN]

the spoon will most likely have the same fitment issues as the j's racing one.

I think the best way to go is to make a bracket to Jtso's (TSX forum mod guru) specifications then buy an etd shock seperately

The J's racing one will fit CL9 actually, I have made enquiry via BT rev and he got the confirmation of the fitment from J's racing but not sure about the spoon though.

[TypeG]

can u ask BT rev if spoon one fit cl9 as well?

[aaronng]

The J's racing one will fit CL9 actually, I have made enquiry via BT rev and he got the confirmation of the fitment from J's racing but not sure about the spoon though.
What was the estimate price of the J's Racing damper?

[Chris_F]

The J's racing one will fit CL9 actually, I have made enquiry via BT rev and he got the confirmation of the fitment from J's racing but not sure about the spoon though.

realy? :D that's good news if it does.. but I don't think I'll be buying it untill someone else has done a test fit

[TypeG]

yeah
i wonder if it will the car feel more hardcore
=)

[ALN]

can u ask BT rev if spoon one fit cl9 as well?
Yup, I could ask them about it.





What was the estimate price of the J's Racing damper?
They told me the price for AUD 380 shipped via air

[aaronng]

yeah
i wonder if it will the car feel more hardcore
=)
Nah, it'll feel the same when driving normally and at idle. That's why you use an ETD instead of polyurethane engine mount inserts.

[TypeG]

but i use on a ITR b4 and it is very uncomfortable to use in as you can feel every engine movement

[tony1234]

but i use on a ITR b4 and it is very uncomfortable to use in as you can feel every engine movement
I thought it'd absorb most of engine movement esp.under hard takeoff/acceleration???

[curik]

sent an email to spoon about the CL9 compatibility yesterday. Lets see how it goes

[TypeG]

I thought it'd absorb most of engine movement esp.under hard takeoff/acceleration???

yes exactly
but since Euro has a comfort interior, it maybe not as bad as DC2R

[aaronng]

but i use on a ITR b4 and it is very uncomfortable to use in as you can feel every engine movement
It depends on the amount of damping that the damper provides. What brand did you using for the ITR?

The brand that we saw over at tsx.acurazine.com came with rubber bushings and spare polyurethane bushings if you wanted it stiffer.

[TypeG]

Confirmed from Spoon that it will fit CL9 as well

[aaronng]

Anyone has a pic of the Spoon one fitted to a CL7?
How much is the Spoon damper?

[curik]

330 shipped as per TypeG. He is getting one and should be here next week

[Chris_F]

good news that they fit... i really thought they didn't judging the pictures i had previously seen... i think I'll have to invest in one of these at some stage.

[kitbkk]

If it fits, we should give some guiney pig award to TypeG :p
First person in the world to fit '03-'05 Mugen kit to his '06 and this CL7 engine damper on CL9. Unless there is someone else has done it but is not a member of cl9 forums lol

[stephen8512]

if anything we should give the guinea pig award to PEEKAY34
thats just my opinion though, if this hondatech thing comes thru with the goods

[EuroAccord13]

No need for awards... :D

Let's keep to the ETD... I'm excited to see how it fits.. I want one too, it's a goodie investment to have....

[tony1234]

Would you notice any diff.in day to day driving with the damper fitted or is it just for fast/hard launches???

[TypeG]

Would you notice any diff.in day to day driving with the damper fitted or is it just for fast/hard launches???

I will see how's it go;)

[Chris_F]

Would you notice any diff.in day to day driving with the damper fitted or is it just for fast/hard launches???

you may notice an improvement in throttle response and the feel beteen shifts, becuase the engine won't be rocking anywhere near as much.

for 330 - 380 they seem reasonably priced for a branded jdm part, but the JtSo design bracket is still tempting.

[tony1234]

I'd be int.in feedback from you guys.:D

[Chris_F]

j's racing

http://www.jsracing.co.jp/js3/gal/WriteIMG.asp?xMODE=L&FName=cl7%2FTB%2DE2%2DF%2Ejpg

http://www.jsracing.co.jp/js3/gal/WriteIMG.asp?xMODE=L&FName=cl7%2Fetd%2De2%2Ejpg

jtso designed

http://www.tsobad.com/jtso/Images/ETD/Cusco/Installed%201.JPG

the design of the spoon brackets for CL7

http://www.spoon.jp/jp/topics/img/emtcd/BRACKET50810-06.jpg

[Chris_F]

a spoon etd fitted to a DC5 (rsx) i have a feeling clearance with the PS hose may be similar for the CL9

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=254157&d=1162419753

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=254155&d=1162419732

http://forums.clubrsx.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=254156&d=1162419743

[aaronng]

Thanks for the pics Chris!

The spoon engine mount bracket looks similar to the J's Racing one and if you can't reverse it and use a longer damper, then it won't clear the PS hose.

[Chris_F]

^ i was under the impression that was the case aswell... I'm really interested to see how TypeG and any others going ahead with these ETD's go about fitting them... who knows it might just (only just) fit?

[TypeG]

by comparing the pix with the pix of my engine bar, it looks like it will JUST fit but we can always bend the PS hose. I bend a bit of the PS hose while fitting my cusco strut too.

[Chris_F]

hmm bending the PS hose may be risky, you don't wanna inhibit the flow of PS fluid... typeg when does your spoon etd come in?

[TypeG]

not bending it in angle but just prevent it touching it

when... it will be shipped tomolo hopefully

[aaronng]

by comparing the pix with the pix of my engine bar, it looks like it will JUST fit but we can always bend the PS hose. I bend a bit of the PS hose while fitting my cusco strut too.
Why did you need to bend the hose when installing the Cusco strut bar? Mine didn't go anywhere near the strut bar.

[TypeG]

mine touching the hose... for some reason
not BEND.... just push the whole pipe down a bit
dont worry about the PUSH (not bend) as it is done by a Honda Mechanic
one of the members here also do this in one of his thread.

[aaronng]

Well, pushing or not, make sure the PS hose doesn't touch the damper, or at least wrap it up with some material, otherwise the vibration will wear out the PS hose where it touches the damper.

[TypeG]

that's for sure man
but as SPoon said it does fit so i hope it fit .. without touching
lol

[aaronng]

I'm eagerly waiting for pics. Hehe

[Chris_F]

^ me too! really interested to see if it fits

[BusterSonic12]

so the people say spoon's fit onto the k24? does the j's fit k24??
or just the spoon? how much are the damper?

[TypeG]

not sure
my supplier called Spoon and ask
so i hope both parties know the sh1t
$3XX

[Chris_F]

^ yea - hopefully they haven't forgotten about the location of the PS pump

[TypeG]

shipped today with my new toy
hopefully will come on Friday or Monday =)

[TypeG]

thing finally arrived today but my car is in the panel shop fitting parking snesor.......
will let you guys know very soon
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7590/dsc00099ze0.jpg

[aaronng]

Nice, can't wait. *crosses fingers*

That diagnostic information unit, how much was it?

[Chris_F]

hopefully it fits :P

[tony1234]

I'd be int.to see how it performs once u get it installed.

[TypeG]

have try to prefit it as I dun have the tools to hold the engine mount while removing the engine mount screw, I can say it will fit. It do touch a bit but should be easily fit the problem

[kitbkk]

saw it today and i want one!! hey Gas(TypeG), since the engine mount has 2 bolts right, you think we can unbolt one at a time and fit the damper mount one side at a time too? if you get what i mean.. in this way I think we dont have to jack up the engine? correct me if im wrong

[Chris_F]

good news... i think kitbkk made a good suggestion too - i wonder if it's possible to fit it like that?

[aaronng]

Hmm, does the engine move when you remove the 2 bolts from the side engine mount?

[kitbkk]

Thats what we think??
we couldnt take the plastic cover under the engine out (his car got strap belts tied it to other parts as he scraped his car a lot lol) to put a jack underneath it to support. So we didnt installed it today. We actually fitted the bracket(the above one) and it looks like it fits just fine. The clearance between the PS hose and the bracket is around 1-2mm. Then we trial fit the damper and it looks like it will fit too. Wait for typeG to come answer it. He is having a party lol.

[TypeG]

We just too scare to do that as while we jacket up the car to replace the header, our jack was bended already and doesnt want anything go wrong before the party so I may wait till we are free to meet up again and do it
but from that we can see, the bracket will fit into our car

[BusterSonic12]

will fit hey :P so how much did you get it for?

[Chris_F]

so the bracket will fit... but what about the damper..

[TypeG]

MUST fit as there is nth between the brackets
the damper will slightly touch the rubber hose but it should be fine

[Chris_F]

nth between the brackets?

It's hard for me to picture the fitment in my head - make sure you post pics when you get it on

[BusterSonic12]

so this can gain performance wise?

[aaronng]

so this can gain performance wise?
It just reduces wheelhop. It doesn't increase power.

[Chris_F]

you might also notice an improvement in the feeling of gear shifts and throttle response - anytime the engine is caused to rock excessively the damper should make it feel more stable

[maracer]

Hi guys,
Just been reading this thread and found it very interesting in regards to what you all think in regard to the engine damper.
So I'll put my 2cents worth in. As I have installed the engine damper on my DC5 type S the results are.
1) Defiantly less engine movement
2) More in car noise/vibration/steering feel not wheel yes feel as the damper is mounted on top of the standard strut brace.
3) There is also defiantly better acceleration response in any gear any rpm.
4) As for wheel hopping/axel tramp there seems to be less of.
I hope this helps some of you guys I'll put pics and install under Integra next week.:wave:

[aaronng]

WIth an auto, which doesn't experience wheel hop at all becaause of the torque convertor, then this might not be a useful mod.

[BusterSonic12]

WIth an auto, which doesn't experience wheel hop at all becaause of the torque convertor, then this might not be a useful mod.

can be for a rice factor :p

[stephen8512]

pretty expensive rice there leon.......

[TypeG]

DC5 's ETD is different to what Euro is as their mount location is different
maybe Euro's ETD may not be as hardcore

[BusterSonic12]

pretty expensive rice there leon.......

lol just thinking about it.... i still got 3 defi gauges in mind. so quite poor for damper lol. but it looks sexy :p
i

[tony1234]

DC5 's ETD is different to what Euro is as their mount location is different
maybe Euro's ETD may not be as hardcore
You may be right.Also DC5 isn't DBW.Don't know weather this would make any diff????

[TypeG]

I will need to wait till late Nov or early Dec to 100% confirm it will fit as I plan to get a proper mechanic to do it together with my clutch and flywheel. =)
will post some pix once I got it done

[Chris_F]

aww damnit... get it done sooner :(

[TypeG]

it fits with some tricky method.
but at the end of the day, it fits in.
WIll took some pictures on HOW to get away from the PS hose

[TypeG]

After install it, i feel a bit shock inside while accelarating from 0. Everytime i change the gear, it feels a bit shock (when not letting th clutch slowly). Thank to Promax to install it for me and my new clutch next week in a good price.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6867/dsc00101se0.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2599/dsc00102sb9.jpg

[Chris_F]

damn that really is a tight squeeze.... The damper is on an awkard angle which might not be the best for the damper itself and the brackets trying to hold it in place. The nut being right next to the powersteering hose is a bit of a worry too ...

if you get a chance some more pictures from differnet angles and some more driving impressions would be great - good on ya for giving it a go too

[aaronng]

Is it meant to be bolted to the engine mount bracket side at an angle like that? Or was it so you could clear the PS hose?

[JasonGilholme]

Could you put the bolts on in a different way so that the bolt/nut with the rounded end is up against the PS hose??

I think engine mounts would be the go here instead.

[Chris_F]

Is it meant to be bolted to the engine mount bracket side at an angle like that? Or was it so you could clear the PS hose?

judging from the pictures on the CL7 it's meant to be straight... It seems to be a better option to get the Jtso designed brackets made up instead.


Could you put the bolts on in a different way so that the bolt/nut with the rounded end is up against the PS hose??

I think engine mounts would be the go here instead.

Currently no engine mount replacements or inserts for the euro which kinda sucks


Looks like an A/C hose not power steering just carefully bend it out a bit so it doesn't rub or switch the bolt so the head of the bolt is on that side as it is smaller than that nut no big deal. And the damper has ball mounts that allow it to swivel to small angles without binding or problems.

no that's the power steering hose..

I think it may be possible to reroute the line. I was speaking to Trav (egSi) a while ago about getting a custom made braided line to replace the oem rubber one and he seemed to think it could work - I'll look into that aswell.

overall fitment is just too off for me

[yfin]

After install it, i feel a bit shock inside while accelarating from 0. Everytime i change the gear, it feels a bit shock (when not letting th clutch slowly). Thank to Promax to install it for me when my new clutch next week in a good price.


Hey Type G - if you are getting a new clutch why not have a new lightweigt flywheel installed at the same time. Save on labour costs :thumbsup:

[TypeG]

the damper has ball mounts that allow it to swivel to small angles and it fit in really tight which should perform the same way. Also touching the PS hose is not really a big deal to my mechanic so it should be fine. Have drive it all day, i do feel a little bit inside the car but is all good. the engine tie pretty well as I saw very little engine movement when I ask my frd to press the accelarate pedal.

[yfin]

Perhaps it is the angle of these pictures - but JTSO looks like he has shifted very slightly the power steering hose (see top of hose and bracket). If you do that TypeG you might be able to use a different nut and install the ETD on the other side... see below:

Source: http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32108

http://www.tsobad.com/jtso/Images/ETD/ETD%202.JPG

http://www.tsobad.com/jtso/Images/ETD/ETD%201.JPG

[Chris_F]

the damper has ball mounts that allow it to swivel to small angles and it fit in really tight which should perform the same way. Also touching the PS hose is not really a big deal to my mechanic so it should be fine. Have drive it all day, i do feel a little bit inside the car but is all good. the engine tie pretty well as I saw very little engine movement when I ask my frd to press the accelarate pedal.

ah true, that's good to know, the ETD does take a lot of force though so hopefully it holds up in the long run... What i'd really like to know is how it affects wheel hop and the feel of gear changes? Do you think the modification is worthwhile?


Perhaps it is the angle of these pictures - but JTSO looks like he has shifted very slightly the power steering hose (see top of hose and bracket). If you do that TypeG you might be able to use a different nut and install the ETD on the other side... see below:

Source: http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32108



would it also be possible to flip the engine mount bracket around? would that help do you think?

Bending the PS hose slightly sounds like an option aswell, but I'm not sure how that would affect things or if I'm game to try it.

[JasonGilholme]

I reckon the results would be similar to engine mounts but not as good.

I wouldn't be a fan of PS hose bending either.

[Chris_F]

I reckon the results would be similar to engine mounts but not as good.

I wouldn't be a fan of PS hose bending either.

hmm true, a guy in the states said he noticed some definite improvements with the ETD installed so I'm hoping the spoon/j's racing ones are just as good...

Might have to see if trav can organise a custom PS line for me to clear this sunnavabitch

[JasonGilholme]

Yeah either custom PS line or a Different bracket......or both. lol

The bracket looks usuable tho.

[Accord Basic]

I have got the Spoon Engine Damper as well. and the bracket is interference with my PS hose. Did someone here got a solution to fix it? I came out some idea, Please advise which one will work?

1/ using a countersunk head screw and place screw head on the side where close to PS hose, it will still touching with the hose but not as bad as using the bolt supplied.

2/ Slot the hole by 3-4 mm on the bracket.

3/ bend the PS hose down or outward from the bracket.

Thanks

[aaronng]

I have got the Spoon Engine Damper as well. and the bracket is interference with my PS hose. Did someone here got a solution to fix it? I came out some idea, Please advise which one will work?

1/ using a countersunk head screw and place screw head on the side where close to PS hose, it will still touching with the hose but not as bad as using the bolt supplied.

2/ Slot the hole by 3-4 mm on the bracket.

3/ bend the PS hose down or outward from the bracket.

Thanks

I didn't bother with the Spoon seeing that it would always have problems with the PS hose (which doesn't exist in the CL7), so I went and bought the Ingalls one for CL9 instead. Needed some shaving to accomodate the ABS pump and A/C line but at least it fits straight, unlike the pics above.

[Accord Basic]

unlucky, I already bought the Spoon damper. and want it installed. Is CL7 doesn't have power steering? Why haven't got that issue?