my system setup!!!

[gbang007]

my car sound system setup is currently at
Pioneer Head Unit 5850mp
im not sure of the speakers at the front and back but they are definately not stock...some sort of pioneer which are a couple of years old....... audiobahn A8001T monoblock amp and 400watt rms audiobahn ported box sub. its definetely an etry level setup....anyone got any ideas of any improvements? are the subs and amp ok? or are there better on the market as the guy as JB said the amp and sub are probably the top few out at the moment......im looking at gettin new speaker....anyone know what the front door speakers of a 96 sedan civic is? wat sizes etc.....what type of 6*9 should i get? i am looking at staying with audiobahn or pioneer but let me know if there is any other brands which are worth considering......not sure on my price range atm. just gathering ideas

[teaseR]

- door speakers are 6"
- if u have a sub theres no need for 6x9
- to be honest audiobahn i havent use before but it sounds like a strathfield brand... pioneer could be good if u go top of the range coz all the lower stuff all they have is LOUD bass not quality bass...
- "other brands" depends on your budget and as for what size its what u listen to... if ur into dance trance... 2x10" would be nice... but RnB go for 15" thats all the deep bass... and thats the main reason y ppl go for 12" cause its in between the two

[arverson]

. get splits in the front & amp them
. leave the rears as they are. no need to upgrade them

thats about all i can help u with. without a budget its hard to suggest any brands & without hearing ur system in the flesh its even harder to suggest any improvments.

at least get bak to us with a rough budget

[gbang007]

these are the dimensions of my sub......im not sure if i want to change it yet......anyone got any ideas of a better sub? i only have a mono block amp so and only want a single sub. price limit about $400 for the sub.
ABASS10 ABASS12

SINGLE 12" PORTED BASS ENCLOSURES
High Quality MDF Construction
Spun Aluminum Venturi Port
Gray Carpet Covering
Chrome Flame Grille
EPDM Rubber Surround
Single 12” Poly Injected Carbon Cone
45 oz. Strontium Magnet
2” 4-Layer ASV Voice Coil
Bumped Back Plate
Extended & Vented Pole Piece
Gold Binding Post Terminals
Power Handling: 400 Watts RMS
Sensitivity: 92.9 dB
Frequency Response: 25Hz - 800Hz
Impedance: 4 Ohm

i want new speakers at the fornt aswell. 6". I am thinking of pioneer TS-C160R. roughly RRP is $500 so that is my limit.......are they good speakers? or are there better on the market for that price. also thinking of gettin new 6"9 for the back...they are not stock currently but arent the best. looking to stay with pioneer but other brands suggested would be considered. price is about $300 for 6*9 give or take a bit. i am fairly flexible with prices so dont mind paying more for quality stuff.

[DSNTGR8]

no need for 6X9 if youve got sub/s

[solitz]

mate like DSNTGR8 said...if you have a sub there is no need for the 6x9's because of the sounds cancellation (forgot what the correct term was).. you rather off buy a better sub and good splits for the front stage. look into brands like focal. DD, alpine, MB, Hertz, as they all have good speakers for that $500 level.

if you have money left over form the sub and front stange...also look into deadening your car (eg doors, boot etc) as they improve the midbass and bass in general.

GL with your system mate :)

[civic racer]

If it was me i would forget about the 6x9's there only for rear passengers sub leave that as it is for now. As already said by the other fella i would upgrade your front splits and amp them and sound deaden the front doors, and also try shopping somewere other then jb they just stock shit goto a specialist dealer move qaulity gear.

[teaseR]

500... go focal 165v polyglass.. something like that... even if not just get 130v polyglass... the 165 should be around 400 and the 130 is roughly 200-250... ive got the 130v running alpine mrv-t420(2channel) and the sound is good...

[gbang007]

why would you not bother abut 6*9 if i have a sub? for what reason? wouldnt it provide better fill?

[civic racer]

In my understanding the 6x9's would be cancelling out the bass from ur sub, you wouldnt notice it as much in a sedan but in a hatch it don't sound very good.

[arverson]

why would you not bother abut 6*9 if i have a sub? for what reason? wouldnt it provide better fill?

its not about rear fill. its about -as mentioned- sound cancellation.

ok, subs play subbass(low frequencys (<100hz) ).
6x9s will try to play sum of those low frequencys.
now, if both the sub & the 6x9s are playing say a 50hz tone/frequency at the same time, they will cancel each other out, meaning u will not hear it. theres ur sound cancellation

of course this can b solved if the 6x9s are HPF'd.

what size r the rears??

u wouldnt bother with 6x9s if u have a sub bcus then u already have a sub playing the low frequencys, therefore no need for a 6x9 to play any subbass.

[mrwillz]

In my understanding the 6x9's would be cancelling out the bass from ur sub, you wouldnt notice it as much in a sedan but in a hatch it don't sound very good.

yes sounds like sh!t
stockie in rear ftw

[tune2look]

totally disagree with the fact the 6x9 is no good if you have subs.

It all depends on system setup.

If you have a 5 1/4 or similar cox' or splits, and 12" sub, you are loosing large blank frequencies in between.

5~6ish front will match up with 8" or 10" to get best result.

That blank frequency might give you extra bass that you can feel the whole bass and extra resonate.

6x9 can close up the gap between 5~6" and 10+", in result, the sound will not feel its coming out of each speakers, but as one.

6x9 does not eat up your bass. It can creates "together-ness"


for those who are willing to spend extra in order to get this done in proper way, get mid-bass speakers along with your components.
high - tweeter
mid - mid-range
low - mid-bass
lower - sub

Its all personal liking,
and also, you can tune your amp using 'freq' so that your 6x9 handle frequency at which ever you want it too.

[Vinnie]

totally disagree with the fact the 6x9 is no good if you have subs.

It all depends on system setup.

If you have a 5 1/4 or similar cox' or splits, and 12" sub, you are loosing large blank frequencies in between.

5~6ish front will match up with 8" or 10" to get best result.

That blank frequency might give you extra bass that you can feel the whole bass and extra resonate.

6x9 can close up the gap between 5~6" and 10+", in result, the sound will not feel its coming out of each speakers, but as one.

6x9 does not eat up your bass. It can creates "together-ness"


for those who are willing to spend extra in order to get this done in proper way, get mid-bass speakers along with your components.
high - tweeter
mid - mid-range
low - mid-bass
lower - sub

Its all personal liking,
and also, you can tune your amp using 'freq' so that your 6x9 handle frequency at which ever you want it too.

um, no.

6x9's create similar frequencies to subs (hence why they are often used as a cheaper substitute) thus mixing the two does not create 'togetherness' but will jus muddy the sound.

and i have 6" splits up front and a 12" sub and my system covers all the frequencies very adequately and provides accurate sound reproduction. its an sq setup and it in no way sounds fragmented; the sub, mids and tweeters are all tuned to compliment each other... try and find me an sq setup (or spl or anything alse) that uses 6x9's to create 'togetherness', u wont find one.

i agree that different ppl are looking for different things with their car audio but wat u suggested is competely false and does not fit the intention of 6x9's.

please dont post facts u made up...

[Kiwi]

Ummm no Vinnie... thats not quite true.

I run 5.25's in the front and a 10inch sub and i run the factory 6x9's of the HU but faded out and it does fill in a slight 'hole' between the Sub and the mids. And it in no way 'muddys' the bass.

Dont assume that what others say doesnt work because of something you read somewhere :D

[Vinnie]

Ummm no Vinnie... thats not quite true.

I run 5.25's in the front and a 10inch sub and i run the factory 6x9's of the HU but faded out and it does fill in a slight 'hole' between the Sub and the mids. And it in no way 'muddys' the bass.

Dont assume that what others say doesnt work because of something you read somewhere :D

i run exactly the same, with my factory 6x9's running off the h/u for rear fill and heavily faded out. i cannot say that they fill any gap tho but running only 5.25's in the front would leave u with a lack of midbass that i do not experience with my 6.5's... i think you would find that with larger midbass drivers you would not need to rely on the 6x9's to compliment ur system...

dont jus assume i know nothing ;)

[tune2look]

as far as I know, most split system does NOT have 'mid-bass'.
mostly mid-range.

[Kiwi]

Vinnie, I am not saying you dont know anything... but I've been around long enough too.... :D

Of course 6.5's would provide me with more midbass, but you're assumption that 6x9's and subs are intended to create similar frequencies is wrong.. most subs are cutoff at 90-100hz and most 6x9's wont play well down to that level. You dont need the 6x9's but yes I can tell the when they're running, and they in no way affect the sub.

[hurstyboy]

Ok im running amped 6x9s in the back of my lude runnign against a pair of P2 rockies......i can guarantee they dont muddy the bass....because i can also guarantee u cant here them over the subs.....in absolute reality though 6x9s are not sound quality speakers. they are designed to act as half replacement for subwoofers in cars where subs arent an option or are for some other reason out of the question...but back to mine....i have no problems with my
6x9s...no muddying, no meshing, no interferance

[D4rk4n63l]

its all about phase.. if you have all you speakers phased correctly there is no way that 6x9 can make the sub sounds worse. Depending on your setup, you might need to phase-out the subwoofer to complement the wave created by the 6x9. Just try reversing the polarity of the output to your sub from the amp and see if that makes any difference, higher model headunits allow you to do this within the sound settings (you dont have to switch the sub polarity, it will reverse the output signal from the source). To further fine tuning the freq response, you can use low/high pass filters on each channel to get a continuous freq wave