EK9 vs EVO6 vs Sti

[EK7]

If these 3 light-tuned cars meet on the mountain (downhill), what do u guys think the result will be?

Light tuned: filter n exhaust n suspension

[**Ghost**]

i love hondas but the evo will win... presuming equal drivers the sti will beat the ek9 also... u cant really compare AWD turbo to a FWD 1.6... sures its got vtec and super compression... but through most twisties in my opinion AWD Turbos would iwn...

my theory is that being AWD allows the driver to keep the car on boost/close to boost in and outta corners due to the grip... might be a different story if it was RWD turbo, then the driver has to be careful, fall outta boost and then lag

amateur theory only,

[pgclee]

EK9 - fast cornering...light...and with a set of freaking good breaks and calipers...eg. spoon...damn...it's fast...

EVo6 - 4WD...AYC...minimum counter steer...but who dares to drive soo fast with such an expensive car...but it doesn't mean it's not fast...

STI - 4WD...something like EVO but diff lay out...Boxer engine...drives as good as EVO..but understeer alot sometime...still..easy to recover...

3 of this car...hard to say...all depends on the driver dude...

ever seen a real AE86 trash a GTR?...
not cartoon...real stuff..MT Dan...
why?...driver...and better setup as well...but still...GTR...has the power but the weight makes the car weak...heavy = bad breaking...somemore the power...makes it even worst...down hill...means wear out of breaks even quicker...and if it fails...Crash Boom Bang...

lets go back to the 3 car that you mention..

EK9...while those EVO's and STI's are blasting away...EK9 will surely have a hard time catching up on straight line...but in corners...with good late breaking and quicker cornering speed...it can still manage to catch up with those 4WD...

for EVO and STI's...both depends on the driver..don't you reckon...?..

but why you wanna race on the mountain ?..dangerous dude..i have 2 friend total lost their cars there man...a tree save their life...hahaha...

if wanna race...go on to a track...

just a reminder...NA and 4WD turbo are in different class...why people love to compare with EK9?...nice to bully huh?

aiya..all depends on driver la...

[pornstar]

ghost he said down hill for a reason :)

i actually think ek9 might have a chance, cos they are much lighter.

[A'PEXi]

yeh ek9 is lighter, faster cornering, turbo cars will kill you on the start/straights.

[pgclee]

down hill scary man....tried it a few times...hahaha...close to 180km/h....with those crazy bastard...and nearly crash me car...cause me break not working well...and with no cross drill disc....and those pads are over heating...damn...with no braided hose as well...and to make it worst...my tyre's are nearly out....RE 010...SUCKS TO THE MAX...

[**Ghost**]

true... downhill or not... i would imagine a AWD Evo would definitely win... i understand wot u mean by GTR, they werent meant for twisties... but EVOs.... they are weapons

Take Mt Dan Tourist road, on the FERNTREE GULLY SIDE EXIT... the fastest i've taken the last corner on the burwood higway exit was 95 entry speed.... and that was with tyres squeeling, and using TWO lanes of traffic...

i might be a noob, but i'm pretty sure an evo would od better than a EK9 in these circumstances.... i reckon with coilovers, sways etc... i might be able to do 105ish in... i've been in my freind's stock wrx... he could take it 110 no problems all cos of AWD...

and he aint no good driver either... of course neither am i but jsut a rough comparison

hahahhaa nd pornstar man, u should come up Mt Dandenong Tourist road from the burwood highway side sometimes... its quieter, less idiots trying to drift... the other nite i went up there, went up hill, did a u turn... pulled up behind this white lancer... (he was just cruising on his way home, not doing nething...)

damn man, i shined my hibeam trying to pick a fight... my high beam lit up the words.... "Lancer Evolution, Tommi Mackinnen Edition"....

yes i did lose sight of him...

[pgclee]

the problem is that...who would risk in those cornering?

my friend, EVO 6...just crashed as well dude...with a very good set of suspension and break pads as well...but still...ehh..don't know what happen man...hahaha..

ok..lets say for you..you have an EVO6...would you race that hard in the MT?...hehe...

[**Ghost**]

hahahaha... i dunno man... i reckon personally its not a matter of racing hard... Say i had an evo 6, first itme to the black spur or something... no i wouldnt race HARD, i'd go as much as i felt comfortable in, leaving a safety margin... personally speaking i found a good "safe" method is to try and take corners using the space of your own lane and half the lane of the other... that way if you **** up, u still got half a lane either way to save ur ass...

that being said tho, if i had a evo6, and i practiced with it a LOT, down the same set of roads for ages, u tend to remember how fast u can take each corner and all...so ur speed increases....

basically in all i reckon if i had one, yes i would drive it hard, but not first itme out just cos its a lan evo 6...

[pgclee]

haha....i've been there quite often last time...and got scard of it...too bad...track racing is more to me style now..hahaha..

[pornstar]

its not about poewr downhills man. my car has alot of power but downhill, my friends stock R rapes me left right and centre.

The weight of the cars is where the problems become an issue. The weight creates an imbalance that msot race cars are not designed, that it moves the weight from diffreent sides of the car.

i reckon an ek9 would relaly hurt some pride.

[mugsee]

Oops - same question was asked in the integra section and i said the integra. I say the ek9 in this case would win.

Of course it depends on the driver and the actual physcial layout of the road, but cause we're all honda lovers here, the ek9 is gonna win (cause I chose the road to race on, and the road is designed for the ek9 ;) )

[**Ghost**]

hahahaha outta brand loyalty we'll all choose ek9

MTD is actually a really good place i reckon, cos ur not really endangering other people if u go late at nite... and the roads, being a tourist thingie, is all smooth and no rubble or gravel... one thing tho... i am never gong up the again until i get some new headlights, mine are so nowhere near bright enough

[Setanta]

I don't subscribe to "teh hondah can never lose" faction :D

I also don't believe everything is real in Initial D ;)

[**Ghost**]

HAHAHAHHAHA

[vuvu]

lol u guys watch too much initial d or something
ek9 wouldn't have a chance considering its onli "light tuning"
its got shit all power compared to sti and evo and its brakes aren't as good either and the grip level is totaly different...
as for 86 vs gtr.. u must be dreaming.. im not saying that the 86 has no chance.. but considering that the gtr has brembo's it would stop better than the 86 guaranteed reguardless of weight, its got abs as well so no lock ups.. also the gtr has the attesa system which with the 4 wheel drive grip will eat the 86 in the corners.. i've been in and 86 and its seriously underpowered.. 20v 4age with mostly suspension and brake mods.. it goes alrite but i've been in a gtr and that is totally different..game over
i've seen the clip where the 2 86's beat the gtr but geeze dude u could do up a holden to the same level and it would be eating gtr's on the track.. its no comparason
anyway i just thought i'd express my opinions
later guys

[alan]

civic ne day..... :D

[**Ghost**]

pornstar man, where'd u see the 86s beat the GTR? if its in clips then no worriez... hahaha if its in real lifei'd like to meet the man...

hey for the melbourne ppl? have u see the guy who drives a initial D relplica? he even got the sticker on the side saying he owns the akina tofu shop :roll:

[alan]

yeah, seen that car around
apparently it used to belong to a friend's friend who imported it or sumfing (not sure... :roll: ) but to sold to the owner now

[vuvu]

lol yeah saw him at drags one nite
not that quick
but pretty funni tho

[**Ghost**]

did the new owner or ur friend friend put on "Akina Tofu Shop" on the side|? i mean personally i like 86s cos of the RWD and 800kg weight... but having akina tofu shop written on the side is.... well.... to me thats worse than having a TRD sticker on a honda

[Civic Type R]

Personally i cant see anyone on these forums - with no disrespect - drive the EK9 to its potential to barely match it with an EVO Lancer on a downhill taughe style race. Yes i also love my EK9's but lets be realistic here.
I would feel the EK9 would come last of those 3, but put up a real good challenge :(

[Civic Type R]

pornstar man, where'd u see the 86s beat the GTR? if its in clips then no worriez... hahaha if its in real lifei'd like to meet the man...

hey for the melbourne ppl? have u see the guy who drives a initial D relplica? he even got the sticker on the side saying he owns the akina tofu shop :roll:
ive got the downloaded avi at home la.
2 truenos vs a GTR. I thought it was so rigged but hey, these are also supposed to be JGTC300 racre drivers too :?

[fusion_VTi]

i'd put my money on the evo, honda might do well on the downhill run but what happens when its uphill the honda will be left for dead ;)

[**Ghost**]

wots the guy with the Akina Tofu Shop sticker got instide? 4agze? 4age 20 valve?

[pgclee]

lol u guys watch too much initial d or something
ek9 wouldn't have a chance considering its onli "light tuning"
its got shit all power compared to sti and evo and its brakes aren't as good either and the grip level is totaly different...
as for 86 vs gtr.. u must be dreaming.. im not saying that the 86 has no chance.. but considering that the gtr has brembo's it would stop better than the 86 guaranteed reguardless of weight, its got abs as well so no lock ups.. also the gtr has the attesa system which with the 4 wheel drive grip will eat the 86 in the corners.. i've been in and 86 and its seriously underpowered.. 20v 4age with mostly suspension and brake mods.. it goes alrite but i've been in a gtr and that is totally different..game over
i've seen the clip where the 2 86's beat the gtr but geeze dude u could do up a holden to the same level and it would be eating gtr's on the track.. its no comparason
anyway i just thought i'd express my opinions
later guys

hmm..dreaming?..ehh...then i must be dreaming while i'm driving down the hill with them as well...hmm...could it be possible??

hey dude...Downhill, GTR is shit dude....the weight of the car is a really big disadvantage on downhill...it will put hell lot stress on those tyres and those breaks...ones the tyre give up or over stressed, it won't grip as well again...but for those civic, they won't put soo much stress on their tyres cause of the weight comparing to GTR's...and by the way...i was just behind the GTR...you haven't seen it race with the AE86...then fair enough if you don't believe it...but i was there too...with 5 AE86, 2 GTR's, 3 Civics, Sil80, Subaru and evo's as well dude...

just to tell you that sometime, turbo car's are fast...but on Downhill, NA are sometime faster...


all those AE86 guys, are me friend...very nice guy leh...and they drive pretty quick...though they are not quick on drags...but on the corner...erm...they are pretty quick man...you never tried, you never know...try and race with one on MT dan if you saw them...pretty fun to follow them around...

[mugsee]

i think it depends on the layout of the track; if you chuck in a couple of straights, then the ek9 ain't gonna have much chance. pgclee makes valid points regarding weight. Bear in mind that the evo is about 300kg heavier, and in a game of downhill racing, weight counts a for alot.

[pornstar]

ghost, yeah, i think pgclee knows the same ppl i do :) cos it happened right here in exotic melbourne.

Like i said, power dont mean shit on the downhill, im making about 3 times as much power as a stock R, but on the down hill he mauls me.

STI and eVO are heavier, and if u are talking about stock power ratings, then their power is no advantage to them on the downhill. I know this cos my car doesnt even use half its power on the downhill, cos i cant.

[vuvu]

lol its not about the power dude its about the balance aye?
haha
yeah i do believe that on some tracks the 86 will out perform a gtr.. for sure
but mt dandy isn't as windy as some tracks i have been on
there are some long straights where u can redline into 3rd into 4th easily
and that is where the gtr will over double the power of the 86 can easily pull away..
tell me if this isn't true..?
peace

[**Ghost**]

pglee/pornstar/vuvu

which side of MT D do u gusy go up? i tend to go up the burwood highway side cos its close to work...

[pgclee]

me friend told me is the most dangerous of all..
it only has 2 ways...and the road is freaking small...with all those funny corners...90 degrees...120 degrees...and 80 degrees continue with a 90 degree....do you know which one i'm talking?

the one where speed comes into play...is the one with all the way downhill and end up at the traffic lights...i dono what exit..but if you drive further...definately you can see Shell station...that is the quick one...where if you're daring enough...there is this straight, down hill, where you can speed it up to 180km/h...hahahaha...then the next freaky corner is a U turn...180 to about 60...wow...cool rite?...hahaha

[pornstar]

yeah i think its right that poewr does play, but if ur going the same side of the MTD as me, u can never hit top speed or where the poewr difference will play. If there is, then the cornering speed of the better balanced car is not doing his job on the corners, cos by 5 turns, the R usually leaves me too far behind that i can see him anymore, so regardless of straight or not, his long gone.

Again, so many variables, tahts why i said, id think the ek9 has a chance.

[pgclee]

Turbo's are not bad at MT Dan with those long long stretch...but when you go to this small road with all those tight corners...turbo?..HAHAHHAa...when i race with them with all other NA's the GTR can manage to keep up because it's well known for it's acceleration...but my friends does have his 4 wheel well balanced and with ROLLCAGE as well okay...sooo..thats the difference...but if you said an EVO or a STI, seldom see they wanna race that hard though...just keep on looking out for them..and just keep on pulling away from them...

there is this PIARC cruizzzz last time...was on MT Dan as well...though turbo cars are in front...but can clearly see that their corners were abit slow...may be it was just too dark...

but both kinda cars has their pros and cons dude...there is no winner here...the only way to show you're quicker...is to become a better driver...race more...try all those weird corner...race it quick...but don't crash dude...or over the limit...know your car well..then you can become much quicker...thats what i reckon...

but EK9 without a good set of suspension...still not good enough...those corners that i entered...i have less confident...but if i just have those good suspension with a good set up and weight distribution balanced, i think it would be fun...

Oh yea...just remember...Do you guys remember this ITR, white ones that was running 1:55.00 at PI?...that car was pretty standard though and everybody think it's fully loaded...but he got his car a pretty good setup man...he got a good suspension setup...plus those engine setup....makes that car fly....but i think it is darn fast man....i don't even see an EVO going that quick man....now...what you guys wanna say...an EVO or an R??...

i'm not always bias towards honda's, but when people starting to compare those 280 horsy 4wd with a Small Lil 185 or a 200hp honda R, why don't you compare a 280 HP honda civic with a 280 hp EVO's/???

don't understand at all man....

[fueltank]

damn, everyone has OD'd on Initial D huh?

[**Ghost**]

hahahaha

I THINK thats the side i go up pglee... its that longgggg downhill straight... yep thats the one... thats fukcing scary man... cos theres no rails (as i remember) next to the service station...and the straight is long and downhill... to be honest i never done 180 down there...started pissing myself dong 140....

and then that BIG u-turn,... then a few sharp S-bend then the traffic light, after which u go straight and its burwood highway

hahaha last time i was up there i encountered a white evo tommi makkinen edition... he blew me away... but yeh a club is alays up there... Silvia Australia or something

Pornstar? whichc side do u go? from where/ i wanna try...

[**Ghost**]

and ne of u gusy tried old warrandyte road? pretty fun as well... quiet...

[pornstar]

ill take ya, i dunno which side, cos i go to endeavour hills for abig circuit like battle before usually, mt dandy is more a cruise for me, cos my suspension needs alot of work still.

[**Ghost**]

Cool!! after exams though... and after my car gest the intake and exhaust (should be 1 week after exams for that)... u reckon stock EK4 suspension is good ? personally i've been caning it pretty hard lately, and i havent really found that i have hit the limit of it

[pornstar]

yeah stock is pretty good on ek4, but when u go aftermarket u will see what coilovers can do for ur car.

u should come circuit battle with us :) less dangerous as the mountina dna more demanding from the driver.

[**Ghost**]

circuit battle? where abouts is it? i'm presuming its street or at least hoping it is cos i dont wanan go get a cams license : )

[pornstar]

lolz, its suburban roads, but yeah u can top 220 on some sections easily, and corners are hi speed. Ill take u guys around some time

[LatinoHatchCrap]

racing in suburban streets is a bit dangerous. dont you think?

[Chi]

Initial D isnt real !!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pgclee]

hahahaha

I THINK thats the side i go up pglee... its that longgggg downhill straight... yep thats the one... thats fukcing scary man... cos theres no rails (as i remember) next to the service station...and the straight is long and downhill... to be honest i never done 180 down there...started pissing myself dong 140....

and then that BIG u-turn,... then a few sharp S-bend then the traffic light, after which u go straight and its burwood highway

hahaha last time i was up there i encountered a white evo tommi makkinen edition... he blew me away... but yeh a club is alays up there... Silvia Australia or something

Pornstar? whichc side do u go? from where/ i wanna try...


ohh...yea...thats the high speed ones i've run...pretty awsome...with those big U turn's...hate it..hahaha..but it is something like a Roller Coastal ride with no Track to hold your car on to it...dangerous...but never the 2nd time...hahhaa...me breaks are no good..

[pgclee]

hahahaha

I THINK thats the side i go up pglee... its that longgggg downhill straight... yep thats the one... thats fukcing scary man... cos theres no rails (as i remember) next to the service station...and the straight is long and downhill... to be honest i never done 180 down there...started pissing myself dong 140....

and then that BIG u-turn,... then a few sharp S-bend then the traffic light, after which u go straight and its burwood highway

hahaha last time i was up there i encountered a white evo tommi makkinen edition... he blew me away... but yeh a club is alays up there... Silvia Australia or something

Pornstar? whichc side do u go? from where/ i wanna try...


ohh...yea...thats the high speed ones i've run...pretty awsome...with those big U turn's...hate it..hahaha..but it is something like a Roller Coastal ride with no Track to hold your car on to it...dangerous...but never the 2nd time...hahhaa...me breaks are no good..

pornstar...i also wanna go to some nice cruizzz man...call me ya

[pornstar]

ok la, ill call ya when da hondas really go out to play :)

as for racing on the street, Latino, we arent racing, its just pushing the cars alot harder.

[LatinoHatchCrap]

fair enough. just dont go "too" fast. :D :D

[pgclee]

push hard means wat ar?....over 10,000rpm?
hahaha.....isn't that fast?..hmm...no no..1st gear all through..hahaha

[pornstar]

hehehe :) not yet, must get falken azenis :) and my coilovers coming soon :)

[pgclee]

you want tyres?...what size...?
get the same as mine man...darn grippyyyyyy.....
TOTO R881..damn nice man

but it all depends on your budget dude...
tell me how much you get ya azenis for....what size...but Azenis Sucko man...i've used it on track...omg...doesn't grip at all...hahahaha....hard compound ler...not nice...

[pornstar]

nah azenis for the street bro, il get slicks for the track :)

TOTO R881, can u PM me where to get them from man? thanks dude

[LatinoHatchCrap]

its TOYO! you get them from any tyrepower. I use them as well funny enough. The grip in the wet is ****in' sweet :)
Azenis a semislicks.
Did you warm up your azenis before you hit the track? what psi? what was the average temp outside on the day?
just curious cose my fren said the same thing but he tracked on a hot ass day

Joe

[McChook]

I don't subscribe to "teh hondah can never lose" faction :D

I also don't believe everything is real in Initial D ;)
FC3S tubro is fashter than FD3S twin turbo :roll:
whatever

[pgclee]

its TOYO! you get them from any tyrepower. I use them as well funny enough. The grip in the wet is ****in' sweet :)
Azenis a semislicks.
Did you warm up your azenis before you hit the track? what psi? what was the average temp outside on the day?
just curious cose my fren said the same thing but he tracked on a hot ass day

Joe


dude...how many Semi slicks you've tried???
comparing with RE 540 or RE 55, Toyo R881, Dunlop, Michelin....Azenis is the worst...and i don't think it can be called a Race tyre man, more like a road tyre's to me...it doesn't grip at all..the rubber compound is too hard...either is on a cold day or a hot ass day...it never work properly....

but if you say the RE 540 or Toyo R881, damn..those are what i called a good Semi Slicks....

but tyre ware...err..Azenis...hahaha..i think can last for 30 - 40k KMs man...not for Toyo or RE...those can last...err...20k the most....with no rubber left i mean...Muahahaha..

[LatinoHatchCrap]

I currently run the TOYO trampios R881's. I was reffereing to their grip not the azenis.
I can comment on azenis as my TOYOS are my first ever set of semis.
What my question was is did you play aorund with your tyres psi?
sounds like you've been tracking for a while so I would assume that you prob did. In that case your the second person who gives azenis :thumbsdown: hummm...interesting.