s2000 vs Evo6 vs Sti

[EK7]

If these 3 light-tuned cars meet on the mountain (downhill), what do u guys think the result will be?

Light tuned: filter n exhaust n suspension

[-MuGen PoWer-]

EVo 6 for sure

[A'PEXi]

s2k.

[Javed]

Hate to say it but if the sti has good sussy mods then its my pick! Gotta love the S2k tho, got shitloads more style!

[blackie]

no doubt the evo

[traNce_gl]

s2k wil have a better take of ..

[geo41e]

s2k better take off ? u serious ??
thought the awd mofos would jump in..then the s2k will start catchin up
l rekon the turbos will win

but l'd take the s2k anyday!

[VTEC16]

Thats the thing with AWD - if you launch them hard they will break (but be VERY quick)....or if you launch them carefully they will bog down....its hard to launch a AWD that you plan on keeping for a while!

[A'PEXi]

hehehe unless its not yours :D

[toE]

s2k

[Chi]

AE86 !!

I mean sk2 ....

[Kit10]

Hi all, excuse my interrupting your thread. I just wanted to say howdy, i'm new here and new to forums. I own a silver s2k and enjoy reading what others have to say about them. I'm also hoping to meet people interested in going on cruises etc.
Well thats all for now, see you round ;)

[Kit10]

Oh yeah i almost forgot.......my money's on the S2k (of course)

[A'PEXi]

might want to put your introduction in the intro section mate :D welcome anyway

[CJL]

either the sti or the s2k :D :D :D :D :D :twisted:

[speedracr]

Hate to say it, but the S2K would lose in a battle like that. Then again, it depends *how* each car is modified. But my money would be on the EVO.

[fingolfin]

Thats the thing with AWD - if you launch them hard they will break (but be VERY quick)....or if you launch them carefully they will bog down....its hard to launch a AWD that you plan on keeping for a while!

Thats not exactly true.
With the older rexies they would break their gearboxes quicker then u can say 'opps' :oops:
But the new MY02+ STi and their 6 speed gear boxes are pretty much unbreakable...in japan they ones with 700+hp and still on standard gearbox...u can do 7000rpm launches all day no worries. the drive shafts would probarly break b4 the gear box does.
But i think the evo would win pretty easy. if they are all stock though.

[fingolfin]

but if they where modded the gap would go even further. The turbos react very well with mods.

[seanny]

S2K will win. Evo is heavier. In one best motoring video, they actually lined an Amuse Honda S2000 against an Evo 7 down a touge. If u guys recall, it's the blu S2K wid the rear wing. U can hav all the power in the world but talking bout downhill winding road racing, S2K will win. Uphill, prob evo. Faster take off due to torque. I use to drive n race a 6 so i sorta know how they r. ;)

[one more chance]

lets see...

2L RWD vs 2 2.0L 4WD TURBO!

evo for sure.

[BRU51N]

the sti!

[seanny]

lets see...

2L RWD vs 2 2.0L 4WD TURBO!

evo for sure.

Yes thats true but only on the straights. Best motoring has done a touge segment where the NA S2000 beat the Evo 7 point A to B. Weight plays a big factor in windy road racing because heavy cars tend to understeer more. Lighter cars also mean that u can brake later entering the corner. Evo 6s r bout 1340kg since the last time i weighed mine. S2000 is more or less 200 kgs lighter than evo anyday. S2000 was focusedly built as a race car as said in Best motoring 6. If u race both in the wet, i guess evo wud win coz of the superb traction. Thats the beauty of 4wd ;)

[[[d a n n y]]]

s2k in an actual togue battle
amuse S2K vs EVO8 the S2K chopped the EVO on down hill

with the right driver the S2K is a real weapon

[seanny]

]]s2k in an actual togue battle
amuse S2K vs EVO8 the S2K chopped the EVO on down hill

with the right driver the S2K is a real weapon

Damn right. A weapon off mass distruction

[MKI4EVA]

If these 3 light-tuned cars meet on the mountain (downhill), what do u guys think the result will be?

Light tuned: filter n exhaust n suspension

the one with the most aftermarket stickers on the driver side door.

remember it has to be driver side door!!!!.

[[[d a n n y]]]

down the hill the 4wd power train cars will alwayz suffer understeer. cuz of it's 4 paws

downhill race is not a power race....
the winner will b decided by how well balanced each car is.
S2k is a 50/50 weight distributed car just like the MR2 and the NSX. and ligher than the EVo and the STi.

[totti]

Thats the thing with AWD - if you launch them hard they will break (but be VERY quick)....or if you launch them carefully they will bog down....its hard to launch a AWD that you plan on keeping for a while!

Thats not exactly true.
With the older rexies they would break their gearboxes quicker then u can say 'opps' :oops:
But the new MY02+ STi and their 6 speed gear boxes are pretty much unbreakable...in japan they ones with 700+hp and still on standard gearbox...u can do 7000rpm launches all day no worries. the drive shafts would probarly break b4 the gear box does.
But i think the evo would win pretty easy. if they are all stock though.

Interestingly, I work for Subaru and we get quite a few MY02/03 STI's in for gearbox rebuilds :roll:

Id just like to say, Subaru has got nothing on Honda :D Go s2k

[EuroAccord13]

This debate will require you guys to download the TOUGE battles between the AWD, FWD and the RWD... high octane packed... of course.. many find it hard to beat Keiichi in his Hachiroku... but yeah.. the videos will answer all your questions :D....

[mike@9K]

so where can u dl these best motoring vids by the way. Oh yeh and hi guys, im new

[Weq]

type: "bestmotoring avi"
or "index of bestmotoring"
into google.

[Hectic Honda]

s2k wil have a better take of ..

No. You are completely utterly and could not be any more wrong. The s2000 will have the poorest take off of the three. The STi and Evo are both awd drive 6 speeds, meaning you'll have a traction advantage compared to the s2000 rwd drive train. Add to this that the the STi and Evo will hit max power a few thousand revolutions before the s2k, as well as the added torque from the forced engines. With the honda out of the picture, the Evo will outdo the STi in take off due to its computerised torque balances between the front and rear drives.

[[[d a n n y]]]

but this aint a take off debate..

it's which car will do better out of the 3 down hill

tougestyle battle..

with equal skilled drivers

[Calvo]

lol... sif compare AWD Turbo's to a RWD N/A :D

[NeoNode]

If the S2k done right it doesn't need alot of power to win the touge just total balanced setup, Best Motoring proved that against a Evo 7 just as EuroAccord13 said.

[Javed]

amuse s2k proves it all :D

[|N|]

s2k

[Comrade]

Thats the thing with AWD - if you launch them hard they will break (but be VERY quick)....or if you launch them carefully they will bog down....its hard to launch a AWD that you plan on keeping for a while!

not really, just slip the clutch, box wont break but your clutch wont last very long if you do it too often :D

[[stealth]]

everyone saying... s2k from non biased opinion here?

:p

[CJL]

VW Bug for sure

[Kit]

This is funny.
I know this is a Honda forum and all... but....

If these three cars were racing on a mountain pass "TOO GAY" style, with identical drivers, then of course the EVO would have it all over the other two cars.

now... stop watching initial D! :P

[bird]

i reakon the wrx would win for sure, better handleing with all for wheels driving. I work for honda and found that the S2 is very lite in the rear.

[FB008]

i want the s2k to win.

No idea on the track actually... but yeah, GO VTEC :)

[EuroSip]

I think the race would be more between the sti and the evo....the s2000 is just not gonna threaten those two....in my opinion, i think the sti will win...

[NeoNode]

Understeer is your enemy :)

[Phantasm]

HAHA this thread is a joke, i mean the s2k is a great car and id love to have one, but reality check people.

THE EVO WILL WIN.

All this talk of amuse s2k this and amuse s2k is stupid, yes its an awesome and quick car as is the 3litre nsx which won another round of touge battles.
But really how can you compare modified cars?
its just a battle of who has spent the most money, or who has the better tuning house and driver...
If you want to accurately compare cars like that they need to be stock, and when stock the evo is much better package outa the box than the honda or suby. Simple.

[IRI]

Why Evo better? Latest STI is nearly .5secs quicker 0-100 then latest evo....

[Catcha]

As much as i love Hondas, there is not subsitute for a turbo rush and the gains achieved compared to N/A .....very close call but i think the EVO would win....there handling is a tad better than the STI

[NeoNode]

Why Evo better? Latest STI is nearly .5secs quicker 0-100 then latest evo....

And what, that translates to better cornering???

[IRI]

And what, that translates to better cornering???

No, but an evo doesnt have that much of an advantage on cornering does it?

[NeoNode]

No, but an evo doesnt have that much of an advantage on cornering does it?

Well with the DCCD Subaru offers on the STi now is closing the gap, but the Evo is still ahead.

[Phantasm]

And also what about the new Evo MR??

Watch the 5/30 Top Gear episode... the '05 MR spanks the STI by a TON. They called the sti an understeering pig. The "stig" said that the STI is a good boy's car, but the MR is a "man's" car.

The MR's laptime was 1:26.0 (Lambo's Gullardo was 1:25.8)

The STI's laptime was 1:29.4, I think.

[NeoNode]

I prefer the drivers from Best Motoring compared to Top Gear's so called STIG that likes his classical music. But that's just my opinion.

[sub11z]

LOL i cant believe you guys would vote for STI.i think you guys really need to sit in one and i bet you will take back the comment. I personally own a 02 STI and it understeer like a MOFO. Now with the DCCD it gets oversteel, it is something that subaru cant get it right.

i agree with most of the things Danny with the weight disturbution and stuff but with the Amuse S2k! well you said it, is a Amuse S2K and how much suspension and work has been put on? We are talking about a light tune rite? im have seen the video and i must say, the car is very well tune.

Totti: Do you mind telling me what happen to those gear box? im not saying you are liar? but the owner must done somthing horrible to the gear box.

the list would be
1) EVO
2) S2K
3) STI

Look how i vote the STI last..haha

[enoch]

notice...
rally cars are AWD....

[Kit]

I find this thread totally amusing... its good for a laugh at least.

however, I dont know why this discussion has even been raised...

In terms of grip and acceleration, the STi and EVO will have much higher levels than the S2000.
and between the STi and EVO, The EVO will be faster than the STi.

If watching initial D is gonna cloud your thinking like this... you really should stop watching it...
its a cartoon dammit.. watch it for its entertainment value only!

[TypeG]

s2k will never as fast as those 2 beast

[civiceg9]

light tune hill battles, take a look at Best Motoring videos
s2k wins easy :D

[silvia200sx]

i'd go the rexy, altho i have seen videos in japan on s2k and evo but in oz they don't compare

yeh i read in speed that the rexy handles pretty good, better than evo VIII

[bennettaru]

Evo
S2000
STi

Simple as that, the Evo easily will kill all three cars round a track, the MR will demolish them, and the FQ400... well... the other cars aren't in the same league, the 22B or the Spec C come close, but not close enough...

and then there's the brittish MR FQ400 with 300kw of goodness in a lightweight chassis with a 0-100 time of 3.5 seconds, faster than a Pagani Zonda.

:S enough said really.

[kasparov]

I prefer the drivers from Best Motoring compared to Top Gear's so called STIG that likes his classical music. But that's just my opinion.

the stig was Perry McArthy an ex formula one test driver and now its damon hill former formula one world champion.

The guys on best motoring are kooks compared to those two.



btw.


The s2000 should win, if they are all aus spec. They have similar power to the ground after considering the extra drive train loss in the sti and evo. The s2000 rrd layout is more suited to tarmac racing, to much understeer on both sti and evo.

[pgclee]

aiyaya...
anybody got this 3 type of cars?..go and race on the mountain pass and tell us the result...actually, how many turbo cars actually have tha Nuts to floor it while down hill?...for a STD turbo cars without any good breaks (braided hose, slotted disc, racing pads, high temp break fluid) on downhill means that the driver are stupid enough to risk that and over confident about his car...but, if you don't believe this...go and try out with a turbo car...see whether a Turbo car uses the break harder or the S2k (comparing the weight, Evo or STI loses + weight increases the break stress)....still...at the end of the day...3 of those cars are still awsome...3 of them are still winners...

under or over steer is depending on how the driver wants the car to be...but understeer is always not a good thing (too fast into corners making tyre losing their optimum grip or traction)...oversteer infact, can sometime improve your time as well...but if you're damn good at 4wd drifting, you're nearly the god of mountain pass dude...hahaha...but if you're not careful, you'll either end up sticking on to the tree or flying off the cliff...hehe...seen it myself (sticking to the tree)....scary...

[sheepo]

well base on my noob-ish opinion... among the 3 dars i would say its the EVO if all of em are stock, i assume that since this was lsited without indicating they ahve been modded base on performance... but thats me as EVO has been vocally advertise and has the reputation for performance

[Pre_ludachris]

i think the sti cos the bonnet looks better

[bennettaru]

i think the sti cos the bonnet looks better


You think the bonnet looks better?

It's almost universally said that the WRX is one of the ugliest cars ever made, awesome, but ugly.

[sugapopcandy]

You think the bonnet looks better?

It's almost universally said that the WRX is one of the ugliest cars ever made, awesome, but ugly.
Only the bug eyes. :p

[Pre_ludachris]

You think the bonnet looks better?

It's almost universally said that the WRX is one of the ugliest cars ever made, awesome, but ugly.

since when does your fat head speak for the universe?

[bennettaru]

since when does your fat head speak for the universe?


well, why don't you crawl out from under that rock and start listening to what people have to say, notably, the automobile press, car columnists, car journalists.

Start with top gear, and go from there.

[pgclee]

aiya...3 of them also slow...mine fastest...muahahahha...take them for breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper dude...wanna try? Opps, i forgot that i'm cooking something in my kitchen..sorry, gonna miss the race....muahahha..... :)

[Pre_ludachris]

well, why don't you crawl out from under that rock and start listening to what people have to say, notably, the automobile press, car columnists, car journalists.

Start with top gear, and go from there.

u might wanna %#$@ that rock i crawl out of cos the ratings ive seen for the car has a numberous amount of stars, which is far from what i can say about the size of brain!

[IRI]

Hey, settle down children....

[bennettaru]

u might wanna %#$@ that rock i crawl out of cos the ratings ive seen for the car has a numberous amount of stars, which is far from what i can say about the size of brain!

You dumb ****, you said:


i think the sti cos the bonnet looks better

You think the STi, because it LOOKS better,

shit yeah, if a car LOOKS better it must be better, i'm over this, you're just retarted.

[pgclee]

wow wow....volcano erupted...end up all 3 cars melted...so..all loses...haha...

[Pre_ludachris]

You dumb ****, you said:



You think the STi, because it LOOKS better,

shit yeah, if a car LOOKS better it must be better, i'm over this, you're just retarted.

oh serios?..and if i wanted to hear an arsehole talk
i'd fart

[bennettaru]

hahaha, ah shit this has been one funny night,

someone lock this thread, this is just getting stoopid


But wait, that was actually a good call you just said, really, it's a keeper, you better write it down, then repeat it to other people, cause you're cool, really, you are.

[Pre_ludachris]

dont try and piss in my pocket u fag!
u dont need to state the obvious.

pffft lock this thread? what needs to be lock is that closet with u in it!

[bennettaru]

hahahahahahahaaha, ohhh shit this is funny, good calls mate, got any more, really, here i'll join in, cept i stole this from BTTF.

"Why don't you, make like a tree, and get the hell out of here"

[bennettaru]

Go back to watching fast and the furious, and listening to fully sick ludacris, with your fully sick subs

[Pre_ludachris]

Go back to watching fast and the furious, and listening to fully sick ludacris, with your fully sick subs

WOW! dont waste urself

[toE]

Keep the personal attacks to PMs and comment about the topic.

Anymore outburst will result in the user's account suspended.

Grow up!!

[Slugoid]

Back on topic...

If it was between an Evo 6, S2K and a Sti of the same time (I presume bug eye version), then I'd have my money on the Evo 6. The Sti and Evo are pretty much road going rally cars, while the S2K is just a sports car. 170kW or so, but so what?? That's top end. Sti and Evo both have more than that and they have way more torque than the S2K.

All paw and loads of power just kill the competition. Even if you compared a modified s2K with a stock evo/sti, it just won't cut. Oh yeah, if you're all saying the Amuse S2K was awsome, well to burst your bubble, a modified RX8 finally beat it in the latest
touge 300.

But at the end of the day, I still prefer to have a s2K, simply because of the fun factor. AWD is just....grip and grip. Very boring in the twisties, just fun on the straight, although I wouldn't mind the Evo8 either :p

[panda[cRx]]

yeah what seanny said, i got the vid on my comp.
but looks who is driving it keichi 'DORI DORI' tsuchiya :D
i love that s2k!

[preludacris]

okay, first of all i cant believe that any of you thought that the s2k could beat these other 2 monsters. But then again, it shouldnt really be compared in the first place because s2k isnt even in the same category. How can u compare atmo rwd againt turbo AWD??

But, there is actually a way that the s2k could beat the sti AND evo.
First.....U need to ask Takumi to drive it......if he refuses then offer him a full tank of petrol......then, u must tell him to hug the gutter on the hair pin turns....THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!
but if equal skilled drivers it would go - Evo then Sti then S2k

[Domokun SPL]

I have a video from Best Motoring that has a 400+ps tuned evo 8 go against an S2K on the touge.
The S2K wins the downhill AND the uphill. (only just).

[My-B18c]

evo 8 *FQ400* 300kw! for 116k all the way a evo or mayb the sti type 25! but evo all the way!

[ROCKET]

does any one hav the stats for these cars ??
0-100km/h how many secs ??
dat shuld giv us a good idea at least on paper which shuld win but always depends on d driver

[spetz]

Evo By Miles

[sharik]

1st Evo
2nd Sti
3rd S2K

[Bludger]

omg, IMO power isn't so important in this battle.
It's good brakes, balanced car.
EVO & STI are good, but not uited to this battle.
I've seen on a video clip that an S2K took it to a ferarri on the track.
In the end EVO is based on a supermarket shopping trolley..... just tarted up to the max. Motor magazine gave the impression that they found the limit of the EVO in PCOTY & the other good cars surpassed it. It's good but not the best.
I think the S2K is the right tool for this job.
STi?
just crap:D

[Bludger]

I like [[d a n n y]]'s oppinion

[WhiteAP1]

Get ureself a copy of BMI or hot version (dvd), they test all three cars on a bit of mountain (touge),all cars are tunned by japanese garages, boss,Amuse,signal auto,and the s2000 gets the better sector time. so its proven on tight twists and even in other circumstances ie: gymkhana, the s2000 reigns over the AWD kings. Check it out

[Omotesando]

Yes I agree with WhiteAP1. On a touge the S2000 will rule simply due to the lower weight and flexibility of S2000's handling as well as its RWD platform.
But the EVO won't be far behind indeed, its still there.
Hell, on a downward slope, I'd say the Civic Type R and AE86 can match the speeds.
But on a uphill touge, the EVO will disappear after the first corner, and S2000 will never see it again.

And on a normal circuit there is no doubt, the EVOs and STi will be way way way out infront, especially with the traction as well as mid-range torque out of the corners. On tsukuba circuit, the potential of the EVO and STIs is around 5 seconds per lap more than the S2000. They're not even in the same league (not group).

The other thing to remember is that on a none touge run, where you're limited to only 1 driving lane - the AWD's will always fare better as well within the markings. RWD cars need around 1.5-2.0 racing lanes to fully utilise their potential, as they can lose rear traction and the tail slide out too easily when on the limit, although this doesn't mean its not fast as it is a completely diff way of driving - its just that it takes up more laneways.

[IndoStyler]

i reackon it depends on the driver....if they were all the same drivers, i reackon either the sti or evo would win

[DreadAngel]

Don't use the Amuse Orange AP1 S2000 or their GT1, thats just plain BS. If you wanted Aussie Spec (meaning not the Hero version you can get in Japan) I'd still say its a race between the EVO and the STi.

But which model EVO and STi? If you want to compare the EVO 6 T.M.E, grab the 22B WRX STi but then these both are 'tweaked' (correct me if I'm wrong on this). The performance gap between the EVO and WRX is obvious, the EVO packing a ton of tech with it like that Active Yaw Control, etc. The difference is shown right at the limit, the WRX you'd think twice where as the EVO would keep to that line and you'll keep piling on the speed (metaphroically speaking of course)

If you compare the latest models, the WRX catches up with Subaru giving more in performance features. But the EVO IX has improved close to the limit of the car. With a 2L Mivec (making the power delivery nicer to use than a big wallop you experience in previous EVOs) and a host of other goodies, I think the EVO IX will still edge out the WRX though its getting ridiculously close its not funny.

Note: The Amuse S2000 and the J's S2000 have both beaten Keiichi Tsuchiya's AE86 hands down. J's S2000 in the street tune class has beaten the Amuse S2000.

[WhiteAP1]

Ure not wrong dreadangel evo and sti are great cars, but i cant agree on leaving the s2000 out all together, maybe in a straight line contest, but on twisties.

now by the time u make mods to the s2000 ure losing the jap spec gains anyway, yes stock for stock jap spec is a touch quicker, but with remaping and such there both easily bought to par, there both F20C's, fill up with some octane additive and ure there.its a matter of matching RON. Same goes for evo and sti, jap specs are quicker, so in fact its a reasonable comparison. Jap spec vs jap should be the same as Aus spec vs Aus spec.Same amount of detuning.

Both evo and sti are great cars, shit loads of tourque, with great throttle response, but for twisties not the best. (in my opinion as ive driven all 3 round black spur)

Evo and sti are based on a four door sedans, an econo getaround car(lancer & impreza).The s2000 is a one off engine and chasis biult for such a purpose,its not a sedan with an added turbo, ecu and suspension, its a one off performance vehcile. Buy the time the evo and sti decided if there going to understeer or oversteer, the s2000 with its 50/50 weight distribution and low centre of gravity and about another 100 specifically designed engeneering marvels, such as the engine mounted behind the front axel, and standard sway bars thicker than most aftermarket ones,this TRACK built car will be through the corner ready for the next. IMO

And as uve siad ureself j's racing has beaten the Amuse, it still has the fastest sector time, the only car to break into the 13' sec mark. looks like an s2000 to me

[bored]

evo or sti

[deon]

evo hands down

[DreadAngel]

Strong Point WhiteAP1, I didn't mention the S2K did I in the match up...

Cause from what I've experience in the EVOs and STis (unfortunately I can't say anything on the S2K cause I've not been in one just heard good and bad stuff about it), they corner like crazy! Is there something I'm not getting right?

Yeah, the EVO and WRX can't escape their cooktop heritage. The S2K is really unique in that sense, a one off like you mentioned. However I think on the Touge that the S2K will still get its head handed to it. I mean it maybe the worlds most powerful 2L but hell... the turbo 2L AWD is so irresitible, the acceleration crazy!

I think if its amongst average drivers, its a duel between the AWDs no prob, if it was pros however, the S2K will be in the thick of it. Sounds good?

[Speeder]

I agree with DreadAngel, I've been lucky enough to able to get to drive both the S2000 and Evo 6. Me being an average driver, I would say the Evo would slaughter the S2000 in pretty much any given road, but for the pros, the outcomes may be different. But you have to also remember that driving the Evo and the Sti fast is not that hard thx to the ample grip levels and the torque levels compared to the S2000.

[aozora]

Depends on the track/road conditions, drivers, alignment of the planets... etc etc.

[Omotesando]

Touge is different from Circuit.

On the downhill touge, straight line speed isn't too important. It is all about chassie balance, handling, and most importantly light weight. EVO is probably known as the best cornering machine in the world not for nothing, but on a touge it is not agile enough. Stock vs stock EVO will still kill an S2000 mind u, but if they're modded to suit this type of downhill run, the S2000 should have an edge due to its lower weight and good balance.

On the circuit, most of them anyway, horsepower is very important. The EVO/STIs are much faster than the S2000. They can't even compare. The EVO's and STIs might be based on the basic models, but their chassis have been spot welded in hundreds of places and reinforcements are installed. That means, in reality they're really strong chassis of which the S2000's open top, despite its X-frame, cannot compete with.

S2000 costs too much IMO. Its 176KW also isn't overly attractive for normal use with a relatively lack of torque anywhere. You can make cars make a lot of high rpm power by setting them up that way, but the successful cars will have adequate torque down low, as well as good high end power. Aust should get the 2.2L S2000 engine instead!

[DreadAngel]

Honda Australia made the mistake of getting the new model but with the old engine, shame really, I think Honda Australia was banking a lot on the fact that its the world most powerful 2L car. My cousin was looking for a luxury + performance car, I mentioned the S2000 but all he managed to say was "Its the world's most powerful 2L for $*******.... not worth it next... Subaru Liberty...* If the price tag was around the RX-8/350Z mark it would be selling better!

I wish there was a Hard Top version of the S2000, seriously it deserves it, no offence to those that like the soft top but I find it looks even better and safer obviously with a GT Hard Top!

Ah! if your talking agility, then yes I'd agree the S2000 does have the edge

[Omotesando]

Oh now that you mentioned it, apparently the RX-8 is a really good cornering machine as well.. u can control its understeer or oversteer or whatever u chuck at it!

Like the S2000, its lacking torque - so u have to be in the right gear! But anyway, I don't mind having one at all.. afterall, it looks like sex on wheels! GT Hard Top version will be nice - want some protection if it flips over hahaha!

[DreadAngel]

Yeah, advantages of having a Rotary Engine and feather weight car... reaps on the downhil + uphill + circuit + anywhere on the ground!

Comparing the prices, its obvious the S2000 is way outta line man, New Car Price indicated on website:

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Honda

S2000 - $72,590 (manual only)

Mitshubishi

Lancer Evolution IX - $56,789

Subaru

Impreza WRX STi - $56,990

Mazda

RX-8 - $54,565 (manual) $55,365 (auto)
RX-8 with Leather Pack -$60,200 (manual) $61,000 (auto)

Nissan

Z33 Touring Manual - $62,990
Z33 Track Manual - $67,990
Z33 Roadster Touring Auto - $73,990
Z33 Roadster Track Manual $73,990

Lexus

IS250
2.5L 6cyl Prestige Man Trans $53890*
2.5L 6cyl Prestige Auto Trans $56490*
2.5L 6cyl Sports Man Trans $67400*
2.5L 6cyl Sports Auto Trans $70000*
2.5L 6cyl Sports Luxury Auto Trans $78500*
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I'm not sure what cars you guys would be comparing the S2K with but I think for me these cars are close to the S2K's market.

On to topic again, has anyone driven or been in the S2K, Evo IX and the WRX STi? Give us your opinion!

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

don't insult the S2K.. if anything that i have learned from watching initial D, its not all abt power! but i think it might depend on which actual track they race on! in the end, its too hard to compare as too many varying factors come into it! :)

[DreadAngel]

Lol, I didn't insult the S2K, the fact I'm proud of Honda's achievement with the S2K means I'm a fan of it! The price tag that comes with the S2K is a very pretty one, too pretty for most!

I didn't say its all about power either, power doesn't have anything to do with it to be honest...

As for reference to Inital D, I'm hoping your not serious, unless your a god like downhill technician, you don't win in the AE86!

Like you said, need the real thing, bring us the EVO, STi and a S2K then close a Touge somewhere and test the theory LMFAO... jkjk!

[DOHCTR Coopz!]

DreadAngel, i wasnt taking a stab at u bruz.. was speaking in general terms! ehehe to get the most accurate and precise results u'd haf2 test stock for stock, within a completely controlled environment, over several runs. but does it really matter which car is faster? they're all good cars in their own right.. S2K vs LANCER GLi VS IMPREZA RX.. carn the S2K!! bwuahaha :p
increase the peace!

[DreadAngel]

WTF? GLi and RX vs S2K LMFAO!!!

H Power Slaughter, actually anything Honda slaughters those 2 bwahahaha!

[joyride]

]']down the hill the 4wd power train cars will alwayz suffer understeer. cuz of it's 4 paws

downhill race is not a power race....
the winner will b decided by how well balanced each car is.
S2k is a 50/50 weight distributed car just like the MR2 and the NSX. and ligher than the EVo and the STi.
i reckon dannys on the money.

[JDC5R]

I think too many people are digging up "facts" without having real world experience.

Look at it this way, no owner of s2k will admit the evo and sti as in their class *speed wise stock for stock*. The s2k is a unique/classic vehicle that will stand the test of time. The engineering and the attention to detail put onto it is in its own class along with NSX.

Having said that honda didnt create the car to beat stis or evos, the car is not made to do that. It is a completly different experience. If you have the luck of owning both i am sure you can appreciate both cars equally.

[mugeneration]

Looking at a single race scenario?
- 1/4 mile: s2k would get eaten coz the others have AWD and rexies take off really well
- hills: s2k would shine as its designed to take turns really well, and as mentioned above, understeer would plague the other two.

Now if you're using this as a way to decide which to buy, consider this:
- If you want to launch the old rexies, it can be difficult without just revvin to 6k and droppin it, and they screw their gearboxes etc doin this.

I dont know anything bad really about the other 2 like this. Really its a poor comparison. Comparing the STi and evo is ok, but the sk2 is a car in an entirely different class of its own, designed for different purposes, and different racing environments.

[deon]

Accordin to top gear Evo's and Sti's are extremely good cars..infact they are quicker than an nsx type-r round a track..dont believe me? here http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/ . As said above, these cars are in a different category, the honda is exceptional engineering and will probably be a fantastic drive, whereas the evo and the sti are designed to get from A-B very quickly..Oh sorry on the list theres only an evo 8, but that doesnt matter because the evo 6 is actually faster...(another track test doen on fifth gear)

[WhiteAP1]

For a thread that reads which car would win, tuned on a downhill touge, a hell of a lot of crap has been mentioned. Id love to know how the RX-8 and and NSX-R comes into the equation, and 1/4 mile times, about as useful as **** on a bull. The top drivers in japan have tested all three cars tuned by the best tuners in japan. THE S2000 IS FASTER, and by that i mean it gets the better sector time. (BMI volume 8) Now stock for stock, or track times, or prices are totaly different questions for different threads.

Around black spur With my Fujitsubo exhaust and a Tein Flex kit, My s2000 was quiker than my mates stock Evo 9 and my other mates stock MY04 STI, considerably. The STI was fighting with understeer and the EVO was yawing( the diffs were interfering and slowing it down) obvioulsy only in some sections, where as my car went around with no fuss whatsoever. We swaped cars and the result was the same. On the freeway getting there, my ass was handed to me, clearly.And im sure on a track with any decent straights the same thing will happen. STOCK for STOCK all cars do handle exceptionally well, with the turbos having the edge (in some circumstances, probably most) due to corner exit speed and a shit load more tourque. On tight sections though they both can lack, due to chassis and AWD mainly.

Yes the S2k lacks tourque, but with tuning as J's racing and Amuse have shown us it is easily overcome. To be honest i dont think the the AWD's and the s2000 should be mentioned in the same breath. There totally differnt cars. When purchasing my car, the EVO 7 just came out, and if it wasnt for my love of NA and VTEC id be riding around with a 4G63. In regard to determening wich is the better car, well basically it depends on the person. Some ppl like apples some like oranges, its a personal thing. In regards to answering the threads question, i think BMI has answered that for us. But im sure this is not the end of this discussion.

[DreadAngel]

Around black spur With my Fujitsubo exhaust and a Tein Flex kit, My s2000 was quiker than my mates stock Evo 9 and my other mates stock MY04 STI, considerably. The STI was fighting with understeer and the EVO was yawing( the diffs were interfering and slowing it down) obvioulsy only in some sections, where as my car went around with no fuss whatsoever. We swaped cars and the result was the same. On the freeway getting there, my ass was handed to me, clearly.And im sure on a track with any decent straights the same thing will happen. STOCK for STOCK all cars do handle exceptionally well, with the turbos having the edge (in some circumstances, probably most) due to corner exit speed and a shit load more tourque. On tight sections though they both can lack, due to chassis and AWD mainly.

Thanks to WhiteAP1 contribution, we have the S2K on the top of the podium with da all 4 paw turbos lagging behind haha, on the Touge that is haha! Even if WhiteAP1's S2K is slightly modded, this could be argued as to balance the older car with the latest machines.

[Omotesando]

"Yes the S2k lacks tourque, but with tuning as J's racing and Amuse have shown us it is easily overcome."

hmmmm.... easily...?

"Now STOCK FOR STOCK, or track times, or prices are totaly different questions for different threads."
"Around black spur With my Fujitsubo exhaust and a Tein Flex kit, My s2000 was quiker than my mates STOCK Evo 9 and my other mates STOCK MY04 STI, considerably. "

???????????? *scratches head*

[WhiteAP1]

????????????? you say.

Well the tuners have not gone past the 250hp mark (237hp stock) so id say thats "easily done" IMO

Yes i have slight mods (next to none) and already theres quite a significant difference between the cars(on the touge). I was also trying to capture the handling characteristics of the AWDs and give a comparison. If the AWDs had exhaust and suspension,they couldnt have made proper use of the extra kws on such a road to begin with, and although suspension may have helped correct the handling issues a bit, it may have shortened the gap but the result would have been the same. Even the AWD owners agreed.

What im trying to get at is even with similar tuning stages on all three cars, i believe the S2k will always be that little bit ahead. Im going by my personal experience and the all out models featured on BMI. With only suspension and exhaust i had an easily noticable advantage. It simply comes down to agility.
Its possible to argue with similar mods the AWDs may have had the upper hand,so i answer with smile BMI volume 8.


Further,the thread is asking about a tuned touge battle, so track battle discussions or price comparisons really have nothing to do with that. IMO

i hope that scratches that itch

[DreadAngel]

Man, talk about Touge, here the annoucement...

*Insert Initial D Battle Stage*

S2000 vs CT9A vs GDB

Touge Battle

S2000 WINS!!!

Okay, enough that for now (too much Initial D in your system = lots of stupid ideas).

For the Tuned S2Ks, the "quoted" power output for both the Powerhouse Amuse Tora Orange AP1 and the J's Racing Yellow Black AP1 were quoted to be around the 250ps? can't remember but essentially nothing much on top of the stock cars. Most of the work done on the two AP1s was lightening it really, "nothing" to do with the power output. Hehe, I'd say "quoted" and "nothing" cause they do have somethings like Full titanium exhaust systems, tuned chips or ecus? and inhouse made air filters...

Hehe, my apology for the price and track discussion, another member put it up, I only replied... Onto topic people, anymore personal experience?

[Q_ball]

How can you pass up a nice STi :p lol
WRX = LUUUUUUUUUUURV ahaha

s2k vs evo6 vs sti - What model s2k/sti are we talkin??

[DreadAngel]

I think thats the Big Question, the dude (who I think doesn't come back to this thread) did say so its anyones guess. I'm guessing he's talking about 99 models since he said EVO 6?

[T-onedc2]

Sti & Evo are heavier with AWD and will wear out front tyres long before S2k which is lighter and better balanced. Downhill doesn't require much torque either so add to that the S2k's late braking ability and inherent balance, the S2k will be waiting for a chance to pass once the first corner is passed & if Gan-san is driving it'll definitely win.

[Q_ball]

Gan-san = sick kient ahahaha

[Omotesando]

To me there really is no short cut to get more torque out of the S2000, except if you change the final diff ratio. Hence my initial *question marks* over the comment that this could be 'fixed easily'.

As Dreadangel has said, it is about minimising weight as well getting the cars balanced. I have no doubt the S2000 is a better 'downhill' touge battle when tuned. But how much faster is it than the tuned EVO? If you look at the sector times on the Best Motoring Vids quoted here - virtually nothing.

How about uphill then?

I don't know how good a driver WHITEAP1 and his friends are, but to claim "Around black spur With my Fujitsubo exhaust and a Tein Flex kit, My s2000 was quiker than my mates stock Evo 9 and my other mates stock MY04 STI, CONSIDERABLY."

Well I've driven on Blackspur numerous times and I have to say, no one takes their cars near the limits there unless they want to fall off the edge. A simple mistake will cost you your life, as some have found out a few times in that area. Does it ring a bell to some forumers?

Furthermore u are suppose to drive on 1 lane anyway for safety reasons. Since this is a Touge 'sealed off' road battle discussion where more than 1 lane width can be used, in this case it makes the Blackspur experience a bit irrelevant, considering how fast a car can be driven there depends more on the bravery of the driver more than anything else! And how much u cut into the other lanes.

And the EVO9 simply isn't 'considerably' slower than the S2000 (slight modded or not), nor is the EVO6. The STI MY04 isn't as fast on tighter corners as it lacks the electronic 'driver control centre differential (DCCD)' of the MY05 onwards - the tyres on the MY05 are even better although arguably u could change tyres on any cars to make a faster, not to mention the treads left on the cars will have a large impact on times :)

[WhiteAP1]

Ure right changing the final drive will increase the tourque on an s2k, if fact its as "easy" as paying Kia for the ring and pinion from the front diff of a sportage,about $800 new, the ratios change from 4.10 to 4.65 and its a direct swap. Diffs are made by the same company who make the OEM diffs for the s2k,some mazdas and kia. But just upgrading exhaust and air inake will increase tourque complemented by some tuning. IMO thats "easy" tuning when engine internals remain stock. some may have a differnt OPINION.

I apologise for my word choice, "considerable", it may have been a little too strong. Its simply this, in some sections where the AWDs would need to brake or they would break traction, the S2k would sail through leaving the AWDs behind until they had completed the corner. If there was a reasonable straight after the corner, any advantage i had gained out of the corner was lost. In some of the very tight bits again i would gain a lead. I guess i was trying to get across that it was "considerably evident" perhaps that the S2k had the advantage in handling, even when drivers were swaped. With all three cars fully kitted out, as they are in BMI the same advantages should be evident IMO. Thats just my OPINION. I did not mean to imply that there were minutes in difference between the cars,just that the things that were "easy" for the S2k proved trying for the other cars. Others may not consider that to be a "victory" as such,but considering the power differences i think it is. The S2k out handled the others.

How about uphill??? How about if the WRC cars were there, how about if the
s2k had 500hp from stock,how about if the MY04 had an 05 diff with a jet engine....Im sorry about the sarcasim but were getting off the topic....again. If the circumstances were different, the outcome may have been too, but they werent. Im talking about a personal experience,where facts are bound to the events taken place. I dont know what an 05 STI could have done and we could go on "what ifs" and "buts" forever. My OPINION is influenced by experience with all three cars and what ive seen on BMI. Yes the sector times are close but its the point seconds that make winners if im not mistaken.

In regards to black spur,we only used one lane especially with so many blind corners,if upon corner exit it was clear, we may have traveled into the other lane depending on the corner,just like any other driver. Im well aware the conditions cannot be replicated from the GAN SAI touge on BMI but they are certainly relative. We were driving "mild" cars in a "mild" fashion (only compared to BMI) where as BMI have full tuned cars and drive hard in extreme conditions with pro drivers.IMO

The thread asked what would happen on a downhill run. I gave my answer from my personal experience, if u feel thats irrelavent thats ure choice. Im not to sure about how many ppl have been in the same situation on a closed circut,or ever will.i can only comment on my experience. Even if u disregard my comments all together,u cant argue with the skill, the cars and the conditions on BMI. End of the day the J's racing S2000 got the better sector time.Going by those proven facts and my "questionable" experience S2000 is a winner for me.

[jko2]

yup.

go s2000!

[Datuk]

Go S2000 !!!!

[ROLLED]

11 pages, how long will this go on for? Can anyone say Useless thread?

[toE]

Well, at the end of the day, each car have their pros and cons; and it's down to personal taste/preference in choosing a car.

Besides, I'm sure we've stopped "x vs. y" threads, so...

*closed*