ocean_blue
29-11-2006, 02:14 PM
Hi People as you can see I am only new to this forum but not the world of HONDA.
I have see and read many a forum on Legends infamous GEN 1 ABS. which a very good system, alot of people have HUGE DRAMA with these.
We have had a GEN 1 from NEW! , which is still a very nice, riding, handling vehicle, Grand Tourer.
HOWEVER there are a few issues with these beauties.
Listed are some common experiences with them (from myself and my brother who is the head mechanic for a HONDA and Other make Dealership.
1) ABS Light is on.
No you will have all undoubtably read acura-legend website back to front about this, however this is something that is common to make the LITTLE YELLOW LIGHT GO ON!!!
a sight bleed in the Master Cylinder..... since the ABS is not a independant system, may a dealer will replace the ABS if something goes wrong.... but what they dont tell you 90% of the time to fix the problem is to REBUILT the Master Cylinder... and if you have looked inside on of these it is no ordinary system... actual quite interesting.
We had the same fault just happen in the last 6month, with a full check, flush, etc of the ABS the problem still occured UNTIL... we rebuilt the ABS now NO MORE...
the Kits is available and if you need one we do have these available.
2) the other major drama is the Value Stem Seals which if you are using oil and are blowing a little smoke after idling for a few minute well 9 out of 10 it is these little buggers.... an if you are doing a head rebuilt DONT forget to PREORDER a COMPLETE gasket Kit... though be warned... REPCO / HONDA etc are about $900.00 for the complete set..... YES YOU READ RIGHT>....$550.00 for the VRG set. Though you will find that the complete set is better as you will need to replace your sump gasket... as it will be ROCK HARD and leaking all over the place... ... you can get a complete ORIGINAL HONDA gasket SET for about $330.00 if you know where to source one from.
JUST A note of the above..... you will NEED TO REPLACE your timing BELT -$95.00 genuine and Water PUMP $215.00 genuine. Also by using the complete gasket kit you will solve the OIL drip on the RIGHT HAND Side of the ENGINE from underneath the DISSY as it is hard to spot.... the Value SIDE covers... and the IMPROVE the Fuel economy from the new spacers, "O" rings and gromets on the EFI system --- about $120.00 from HONDA - Trade alone for these bits....
PLEASE NOTE ------ REPLACE THE WOODRIFT KEY... you will have to get one machined it is 4.5 X 4.5 and 37mm long approx.. as they do get fatiged.... I did not and then after 3000km it let go..... no compression... it had spun the timing out by 40degrees BTC. no wonder it would no fire.
Because of the design of the woodrift key it is not your normal half moon --- and HONDA list a PART though there are NONE in the Country... $9.14 trade... a machined one should be about $25.00 or so.
The Cranshaft bolt and washer only bolt up to the crank pully and not the woodrift key.. which is about 30mm further back... it is only held in place by the tight fit to the crank timing cog and about half of the Pully.... mine let go where they meet, due to a fatuige fature... luckly it was on a roadabout... not high revs... the funny thing is it has the same issues as the Main RELAY box playing up...
Even checking the camshaft pullys and timing belt through the inspection port seen them going around.... next fuel... spark.... and finially compression none... it was sucking inwards ... now that is weird but the cams were still operating..... very strange... only to get it back to the workshop rip the front cam cover off. find TDC on the Crank to see the Timing mark on the Front cam was off by 40 degrees...... no WHY???
The woodrift key piece that had broke in pulley side moved forward into the bolt head JAMMING the bolt in place..... 30mins with a rattle gun to remove...
Because the Pulley is only located on the woodrift key and the Crank bolt does not actually touch the woodrift key to lock it in place... it is only the press fit from the Timing cog on the crank, it allowed the remaining woodrift key to sightly move in and out of the woodrift passage on the crank... engaging and disengaging the timing cog on the crank... hence the Timing was out to buggery/////
PS..... engine flush at each oil change is advisable as when we had the heads rebuilt, there were large carbon deposits on the right rear and front left passages near the "o" passages in the block.... and it was always serviced by HONDA at the interval.
Also FYI.... the BOTTOM end was also inspected throughly....... it was LIKE BRAND NEW...... so that go to show how good these engines are with 260,000km on them.
Anyway... though it may help some people out..... if they did not already know so...
I have see and read many a forum on Legends infamous GEN 1 ABS. which a very good system, alot of people have HUGE DRAMA with these.
We have had a GEN 1 from NEW! , which is still a very nice, riding, handling vehicle, Grand Tourer.
HOWEVER there are a few issues with these beauties.
Listed are some common experiences with them (from myself and my brother who is the head mechanic for a HONDA and Other make Dealership.
1) ABS Light is on.
No you will have all undoubtably read acura-legend website back to front about this, however this is something that is common to make the LITTLE YELLOW LIGHT GO ON!!!
a sight bleed in the Master Cylinder..... since the ABS is not a independant system, may a dealer will replace the ABS if something goes wrong.... but what they dont tell you 90% of the time to fix the problem is to REBUILT the Master Cylinder... and if you have looked inside on of these it is no ordinary system... actual quite interesting.
We had the same fault just happen in the last 6month, with a full check, flush, etc of the ABS the problem still occured UNTIL... we rebuilt the ABS now NO MORE...
the Kits is available and if you need one we do have these available.
2) the other major drama is the Value Stem Seals which if you are using oil and are blowing a little smoke after idling for a few minute well 9 out of 10 it is these little buggers.... an if you are doing a head rebuilt DONT forget to PREORDER a COMPLETE gasket Kit... though be warned... REPCO / HONDA etc are about $900.00 for the complete set..... YES YOU READ RIGHT>....$550.00 for the VRG set. Though you will find that the complete set is better as you will need to replace your sump gasket... as it will be ROCK HARD and leaking all over the place... ... you can get a complete ORIGINAL HONDA gasket SET for about $330.00 if you know where to source one from.
JUST A note of the above..... you will NEED TO REPLACE your timing BELT -$95.00 genuine and Water PUMP $215.00 genuine. Also by using the complete gasket kit you will solve the OIL drip on the RIGHT HAND Side of the ENGINE from underneath the DISSY as it is hard to spot.... the Value SIDE covers... and the IMPROVE the Fuel economy from the new spacers, "O" rings and gromets on the EFI system --- about $120.00 from HONDA - Trade alone for these bits....
PLEASE NOTE ------ REPLACE THE WOODRIFT KEY... you will have to get one machined it is 4.5 X 4.5 and 37mm long approx.. as they do get fatiged.... I did not and then after 3000km it let go..... no compression... it had spun the timing out by 40degrees BTC. no wonder it would no fire.
Because of the design of the woodrift key it is not your normal half moon --- and HONDA list a PART though there are NONE in the Country... $9.14 trade... a machined one should be about $25.00 or so.
The Cranshaft bolt and washer only bolt up to the crank pully and not the woodrift key.. which is about 30mm further back... it is only held in place by the tight fit to the crank timing cog and about half of the Pully.... mine let go where they meet, due to a fatuige fature... luckly it was on a roadabout... not high revs... the funny thing is it has the same issues as the Main RELAY box playing up...
Even checking the camshaft pullys and timing belt through the inspection port seen them going around.... next fuel... spark.... and finially compression none... it was sucking inwards ... now that is weird but the cams were still operating..... very strange... only to get it back to the workshop rip the front cam cover off. find TDC on the Crank to see the Timing mark on the Front cam was off by 40 degrees...... no WHY???
The woodrift key piece that had broke in pulley side moved forward into the bolt head JAMMING the bolt in place..... 30mins with a rattle gun to remove...
Because the Pulley is only located on the woodrift key and the Crank bolt does not actually touch the woodrift key to lock it in place... it is only the press fit from the Timing cog on the crank, it allowed the remaining woodrift key to sightly move in and out of the woodrift passage on the crank... engaging and disengaging the timing cog on the crank... hence the Timing was out to buggery/////
PS..... engine flush at each oil change is advisable as when we had the heads rebuilt, there were large carbon deposits on the right rear and front left passages near the "o" passages in the block.... and it was always serviced by HONDA at the interval.
Also FYI.... the BOTTOM end was also inspected throughly....... it was LIKE BRAND NEW...... so that go to show how good these engines are with 260,000km on them.
Anyway... though it may help some people out..... if they did not already know so...