Full tank = 300km

[Kazaf]

My car has been running about 300km's a full tank recently.

Now I'm going to get my car serviced next week, most probably at Hannay's.

Wondering if the fuel filter being changed during the service will solve the problem?
What should also be done during the service that may help this problem?

[ginganggooly]

where abouts is the water temp needle sitting during freeway driving?

[Kazaf]

Well and safely sitting in the Cold area before the mid-point

[tseesinngwailo]

Does it have a map sensor? if thats faulty can affect performance big time

[kyobibi]

How often are you vteccing mate?

Clean the fuel injectors?

[typerinside]

dont use VTEC everytime, coz VTEC consupts a fair amount of petrol hehe,

[JasonGilholme]

Any codes in the ECU?

Check your fuel filter and clean your throttle body.

[sung]

kazaf u talkn about your dc2r?.....if so keep me posted please!...kinda have the same problem.

[ginganggooly]

Well and safely sitting in the Cold area before the mid-point

It should be just under halfway :)

I was getting about 320km per tank when my thermostat died...

[Kazaf]

So are all these mentioned above included in the service?

[JasonGilholme]

Depends where you go. Just ask them.

[Kazaf]

Most probably Hannay's :D

[aaronng]

Is the temperature needle closer to the middle or closer to cold? A faulty temperature sensor could be telling the ECU that the engine was cold all the time and the engine would run rich to warm up the engine constantly.

[Kazaf]

Is the temperature needle closer to the middle or closer to cold? A faulty temperature sensor could be telling the ECU that the engine was cold all the time and the engine would run rich to warm up the engine constantly.

Temperature looks fine to me.
It's closer to the middle.

[rakfint]

350 from a tank? I assume 50litre tank? Wow thats bad right? I get around 500 atleast... but im not vtec so i pay the price :( haha

But yes, air filter if in bad shape can improve your consumtion, not sure to what extent though..

[aaronng]

Are you using Honda FEO? Check your air filter and also your O2 sensor.

[DSNTGR8]

i get from my dc2 just a shade over 400 km, but i give it a good 'fang' most of the time. Youve got an R dont you? sounds like youve been giving it a 'fang' as well

[shebangs]

Clean air, replace fuel filter, replace oil filter, replace plugs and replace plugs. OEM for all of them except Air Filter. Then see how you go.

All simple jobs.

[Kazaf]

Clean air, replace fuel filter, replace oil filter, replace plugs and replace plugs. OEM for all of them except Air Filter. Then see how you go.

All simple jobs.

Pretty much all in the service.
Not sure about the plugs though?

[teggiboy]

hhmm....sounds like oxygen sensor

[aaronng]

Does your exhaust smell rich after the engine is warmed up?

[Kazaf]

Does your exhaust smell rich after the engine is warmed up?

Very strong smell of some sort of petrol/oil from the exhaust while warming up.

[xzbit]

Could be running too rich (If your smelling fuel), due to faulty sensors?

[PaZzMaN-R]

take it in for service see how it goes after that. if its no fixed after that look into it more seriously. only start to worry after service if its not going good. how long since your last service? what fuel are you using?

[Kazaf]

Only just bought the car.
Owned it for just less than a month. And is up for a service.
Been using V-Power.

Will be heading to Hannay's tomorrow.

[sung]

update please kazaf :D
having the same prob so update would be much appreciated. Did you find the cause? Is everything ok now?

[typsy]

Do you have any mods?

I used to get about 350 kms a full tank.

Thats when i had a CAI set up. I put back the stock filter and im now constantly getting 400kms+ with the occasional vtec.

I also have headers and exhaust done.

[sung]

yep its modded. xtractors, buddlyclub 2 muffler (was done when i bought car), and trust air filter. thats about it i think. i tried resetting ecu but still get same km a tank.

[Kazaf]

update please kazaf :D
having the same prob so update would be much appreciated. Did you find the cause? Is everything ok now?

I just got my car serviced last week and had my fuel filter changed.
I only just filled a full tank yesterday so still waiting to see how it goes, so far so good. Though will wait till end of the week to see how the full tank lasts.

[sung]

i'll be waitin :D

[vanxpress]

same prob ..im geting just over 200k on my dc2r and my desol just made 250k a tank ..

[sung]

jst over 200? :eek: dats so bad mate! :( im guessing u jst bought ur dc2r?

[vanxpress]

na mate ...had d dc2 ova 18months but only drive it max 7weeks .been lying in d work shop all that tym.wat a life...:o :o :o :o suxxxxxxx.

[DUST]

Kinder off topic... but... Is it alright to pour normal unleaded into a VTIR? cause VTIR requires premium though...

[Kazaf]

Sung, I've reached a full tank.. well nearly..

I filled up tonight, and the full tank made just about 400km's and I would reckon about 20 - 30 km's left if I hadnt refilled tonight.

[aaronng]

Kinder off topic... but... Is it alright to pour normal unleaded into a VTIR? cause VTIR requires premium though...

No, it is not all right. Top it up with premium 98 so that it balances out to 95. so 1/2 a tank of regulat + 1/2 a tank of 98 octane.

[sung]

Sung, I've reached a full tank.. well nearly..

I filled up tonight, and the full tank made just about 400km's and I would reckon about 20 - 30 km's left if I hadnt refilled tonight.


Tanx Kazaf :D
Umm what was changed in the service?, was it only the fuel filter that was effecting the fuel consumption?
Did u drive like u normally would on that tank right after your service?
Sorry for all the questions but i got fuel consumption prob and wanna fix it too :thumbsup:

[ap]

i think the spark plugs were affecting the bad fuel consumption too!

[stoodamire]

me gets around 500km all city driving

going to go for service soon, hopefully get more :D

[kyobibi]

me gets around 500km all city driving

going to go for service soon, hopefully get more :D

:eek: :eek: :eek:
whats your car got that mine doesnt!

[OHH NO]

i get bout 450 outta my gsi.. occasional fang or two.. havent serviced in like 40,000ks..woops.. hehe ive been busy.. only get like 1 day off work if lucky

[Kazaf]

Ok, 2nd week now.
2nd full tank, looks like car is going to run about 340km's.
Currently on 300, and its nearly on E.

ARGHHH
looks like have to get it checked again

[deceivin]

is it just close to E, or does your petrol light comes on at 300 ?

[1900-hustler]

so u dint get around to changing ur thermostat?

have ur trips changed.. like more shorter trips.. cold starts etc..

i had the same problem and i changed my thermostat and i got way more out of my tank.. i was averaging around 350/tank and now i do about 450 - 480 again..

id try lookin at the thermostat to see if its stuck open..

[sung]

soooooo...... i still pretty much get like 350 a tank...have changed all my fluids and fuel filter, oil filter. what could it be?.....i don't vtec that much...i don;t think its much lol. help guyz!

[m3ntAL_l2]

woo im not the only one gets 350-400 then lol... although my car is auto :(

[shadou]

... didn't know the 1.8 b18 would get so low in fuel economy. Mine averages out 450km minimum with fangage everyday, try switch your fuel to maybe a higher octane for about 2 tanks and see how that works, can't think of anything else if you've already carried out a major service and still getting that low.

[bigjo5]

my b18 gets 350km a full tank... i tired not fangin it for a week and got 450 lol

[Kazaf]

my b18 gets 350km a full tank... i tired not fangin it for a week and got 450 lol

lol
hooooonnn :zip:

[VTi_b0i]

fcuk me! so many of your b18'a arent getting good milage! i get just over 500k's almost everytime! you all must hoon too much!

[jdm_kid]

im think my gauge is tripping :confused: LOL

i got 638kms .. and less than qtr tank left.

recently cleaned the injectors 2 weeks ago (dunno if it was a proper job or not lol)

[VTAKYO]

maybe u vtec it to much ? nah cant be, ur a granny driver hahahahah

[nipnip]

so many discrepancies between everyone, im getting 500 before the light pops up, thats only if i give it a hit once or twice though haha

[Joel The Mole]

as stated by other users, check ur thermostat, there cheap and easy to replace, there about $20-$30 or something like that. should help u get some more time between fillups.

[bennjamin]

check O2 sensor , clean / replace oil , oil filter , spark plugs , air filter , fuel filter and most important AIR PRESSURE IN TYRES. All these factors can have an effect on fuel economy.

[SHIFTY]

lol... as if u cant vtec it... i vtec everytime i drive.. hhahhaa... whats wrong with u ppl :P

[sung]

problem could be thermostat n o2 sensor, how do i check these?

sparkies are new so are all fluids n filters.
tire pressure is at 34 front 32 rear.

i do have exhuast n extractors, with modded stock air box.

[twing]

my tyres pressure r always 40 psi.. :P
and always get 450+ mainly city driving

[fatboyz39]

im think my gauge is tripping :confused: LOL

i got 638kms .. and less than qtr tank left.

recently cleaned the injectors 2 weeks ago (dunno if it was a proper job or not lol)

weird.... if its for real that fken good mileage.

check plugs to see if its running lean or rich.

[ralph_ef9]

u can check ur spark plug by urself and see how is the engine going......

[STOCK]

i get about 400kms full tank n/a

[G_Vtec]

i seem to get better fuel economy when i switched over to Caltex Vortex98. Able to run a little over 400km compared to the 360ish from BP Ultimate.

this is with i/h/e mods with fresh spark plugs and fuel filter.

[jdm_kid]

u can check ur spark plug by urself and see how is the engine going......

say what ?! lol

[shadou]

ummm unless you have a 3/8 ratchet and a spark plug socket and maybe an extension then you can :D

[AsH_]

i get about 300 - 350 in my B16 EG...

after i changed the spark plugs, leads, dizzy cap, oil, oil filter...

but my pod is brown with dirt (CAI) and i noticed a oil leak under the dizzy area...

also my car idles at 1,700rpm...

gota get all those fixed and should do the job... i hope...

[didz]

i get about 300 - 350 in my B16 EG...

after i changed the spark plugs, leads, dizzy cap, oil, oil filter...

but my pod is brown with dirt (CAI) and i noticed a oil leak under the dizzy area...

also my car idles at 1,700rpm...

gota get all those fixed and should do the job... i hope...
LOL! wow...


Man everyone is like "i only get 400 kays with minimal vtec" I vtec a bit in my dc5r and i get minimum 450 kays. the lowest ive gotten is 400 and thats coz i was racing a lot. Could it be because my type R is stock? im not sure, not everyone has theirs modified. in regards to shifting over 4k rpm. i do that regularly lol the damn thing revs too quickly and the gear ratios are so short! I would say the types of roads i go on in comparison to u guys is probably the key, my average speed is probably 75 kays and im rarely in stop-start situations.

[JasonGilholme]

man i go out with my car and it always get a spanking. i never get anything less then 400 k's a tank.

Last cruise we went out to the hills and there was a descnet amount of throttle usage and i did 250 k's in the first half of the tank easily.

Somethin must be up with your cars guys.

[JHMDA9]

I think it also depends on your fuel tank capacity, ie 40, 50, 60L. Newer cars tends to have larger capacity.

EDIT: I have a 50L tank and I consistently get 460-480km of city/suburban driving.

[JasonGilholme]

we'd all have about a 40 ish litre tank i'd think.

Mine definately wouln't be bigger then an integra. if anything it'd be smaller.

[JHMDA9]

you'd probably have 40 or 50. gen 2 crxs have 40.

Check your owner's manual!!!

[Jon_51]

in regards to shifting over 4k rpm. i do that regularly lol the damn thing revs too quickly and the gear ratios are so short!
I just wanted to clarify that throttle position is indicative of how much fuel is used, not rpm.

[JasonGilholme]

you'd probably have 40 or 50. gen 2 crxs have 40.

Check your owner's manual!!!


haha i think its about 40 or so. i only ever fill it up with about 32 - 35 litres and thats when its near empty. (no fuel light tho)

[bennjamin]

check your tyres guys that they are running good PSI. (even slightly)Deflated tyres will drag and suck your fuel economy down.

[didz]

I just wanted to clarify that throttle position is indicative of how much fuel is used, not rpm.
well when i get to 4000 rpm its not granny sunday driving... Also, its both throttle position and rpm but yes, throttle position in this case could amount to more petrol consumption. Fact of the matter is if im flooring it to 4000 rpm in my type R each gear then well i dun think throttle position has much to do with it... i still get good economy! I do like to feel the 8000 rpm feel as well.. i dont like to go driving without vtec'in hard a few times. On ramps are lots of fun :)

[TAM R]

dc2r's = 50L tank?

[EL_DC5]

At what point are we saying the tank lasts.
Are we saying that I get for e.g. 400ks until the light turns on or until dry????
because i dont know how much i can drive on my S b4 it dies

[JasonGilholme]

i've never had my fuel light come on and i get about 450 - 500 with a descent amount of throttle here and there.

[didz]

At what point are we saying the tank lasts.
Are we saying that I get for e.g. 400ks until the light turns on or until dry????
because i dont know how much i can drive on my S b4 it dies

Well when i get my petrol light on i drive and fill up and i usually have around 5-7 litres left in the 50lt tank of the dc5r. At this point i usually have around 480-550 kays on the dial depending on how much i have pushed it in the past week.

[eg92b16a]

i've never had my fuel light come on and i get about 450 - 500 with a descent amount of throttle here and there.


I'm the same. ALways get between 450 - 500k without the light coming on. Max litres ever was 37 with the first flick of the fuel light.

I think it does come down to tuning. A few people have stock cars and are getting good fuel economy. It seems that most people are modifying their engines with I,H,E and maybe not retuning for the mods. I had the mods and didn't do the ECU and found that my fuel economy wasn't too good (350-400k). I got the ECU done and tuned and hey presto, my fuel economy came back.
Another example, my fathers civic GLi only ever gets 380-450k to a tank. mods are intake and exhaust. When stock, it got over 500 all the time. ECU hasn't been done.
I know, they aren't Integras, but you guys should be getting good fuel economy too.

Just something else to ponder about.

[vippy84]

Well when i get my petrol light on i drive and fill up and i usually have around 5-7 litres left in the 50lt tank of the dc5r. At this point i usually have around 480-550 kays on the dial depending on how much i have pushed it in the past week.

Are u sure u can get that far mate?
I dont push my car and it still at max let me go until 450 kms until the light turned on..
so do u reckon i shud get the ECU?
what kinda ECU should I get?

Cheers

[didz]

as someone else said, mods change ur fuel consumption. My car is completely stock so the original fuel consumption is still there. If you have mods, it would be wise to get ur ecu tuned.
But i do get that much milage out of my car :D

[vippy84]

as someone else said, mods change ur fuel consumption. My car is completely stock so the original fuel consumption is still there. If you have mods, it would be wise to get ur ecu tuned.
But i do get that much milage out of my car :D

Can we tune the standard ecu?
my car is still standard except for muffler and exhaust as well as air intake.
i never drive it pass the 4000 rpm line.. usually I change gear at the 3000 rpm line.. :(
petrol price is rising everyday :(

[EL_DC5]

check your tyres guys that they are running good PSI. (even slightly)Deflated tyres will drag and suck your fuel economy down.

I run them on 40psi all the time

[didz]

Can we tune the standard ecu?
my car is still standard except for muffler and exhaust as well as air intake.
i never drive it pass the 4000 rpm line.. usually I change gear at the 3000 rpm line.. :(
petrol price is rising everyday :(
well air intake can make ur engine run rich u should see if u could get your ecu tuned. You can tune the stock ecu just need an auto electrician (i believe) to have a look at it. Your car is not stock so the petrol consumption is most likely a result from engine tuning. You will probably get better performance as well after the tune.

[EL_DC5]

I thought that the ECU's that the DC5's got where gay no programabe, unlike the JDM ones

[eg92b16a]

Depends on the ECU type. Australian models came out with 2 different types. 1 can be modified, the other can't. Hondata do an ECU called KPro for the DC5R integras. More info should be available if you search for KPro.:thumbsup:

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[Lepperfish]

I average about 320kms in my DC2R without the light coming on, most I have ever got out of it would be about 360kms. Always vtecing here and there as well.

[didz]

Just tried a tank of vortex 98. Good milage for the driving i did (470kms) considering i used vtec quite a bit. I am gettin to the impressiong that BP ultimate and Mobile 8000 are best for me.

[Lepperfish]

I bought my DC2R with 40,000kms on it and it now has nearly 74,000kms and the fuel consumption has been consistently the same.

Should I really be getting more then around 350kms from a full tank without running it down to the orange fuel light?

[LiL FiLo]

change all filers (air oil fuel), clean out throttle body, get injectors serviced or throw a bottle of injector cleaner in the tank, change oil and check fuel press reg (prob not necessary) & DONT VTEC 2 MUCH!!

i get bout 300-350kms off my dc2, but running higher fuel press and advanced timing and vtec alot

[xtat1k]

i just drove from syd to melb in my dc2, got me about 5000km's with vortex.

[danau]

5000kms..? lol... got 10x fuel tanks there? all stacked up on roof?

imo.. i feel 98vortex gives more power than ultimate.. i get +500 km's each tank (50L)

[chilli]

i get bout 400-500km to 40-45 litres in ek1. prob half of that is going hard. I'd say clean air filter, spark plugs and some fully synthetic thinner oil (+filter) for more km's. Id thought you'd get more than 350km in dc5

[Lepperfish]

I guess all you guys that get 400+ kms from a tank drive like pussys.. haha.

[blk_shadow]

I got an EK, and it lasts about 370k's round about for full tank (engine not standard).
and shifts above 4000 everytime.

[Encor3]

ek4 get ~ 400 (200 half way) but honda fuel gauges are so inaccurate. max i've got is bout 470.
i vtec when needed am always in stop start traffic.

i think 300km from full tank in city traffic is ok.. must be pretty busy though.

I use to get 320-350 because i was in the city alot. now that im not my milage has only gone up.

[lilwilliam]

i just drove from syd to melb in my dc2, got me about 5000km's with vortex.

turned the engine off and let it roll lol.

[didz]

I guess all you guys that get 400+ kms from a tank drive like pussys.. haha.

You're obviously unaware of victorian anti "hoon" laws where police can impound your car if caught speeding over 45 kays or 155 in a 110 zone, driving in a "hoon" like manner such as burnouts, drifting etc...


I get 450 minimum out of the tank of my type R and i could not count the amount of falcodores that pull up next to me at lights for a bit of spirited driving.
I dont drive like a pussy and i also transport my gf around a lot and i wont put her life at risk by driving like a mental. I am confident in how i drive, i like twisties and such but i wont put others close to me at a higher risk (doesnt mean i drive like a grandma either, vtec only to 3rd gear lol). People talk about higher fuel consumption after installing gruppeM on the dc5's in the other thread. I rev out to 4k all the time and still get good economy.

My recommendation stands at getting your car tuned to run the modifications you have on them. A 4 cyl car should not get less than 350 kays in a 45-50L tank, just doesnt fit for me.

[blk_shadow]

You're obviously unaware of victorian anti "hoon" laws where police can impound your car if caught speeding over 45 kays or 155 in a 110 zone, driving in a "hoon" like manner such as burnouts, drifting etc...


I get 450 minimum out of the tank of my type R and i could not count the amount of falcodores that pull up next to me at lights for a bit of spirited driving.
I dont drive like a pussy and i also transport my gf around a lot and i wont put her life at risk by driving like a mental. I am confident in how i drive, i like twisties and such but i wont put others close to me at a higher risk (doesnt mean i drive like a grandma either, vtec only to 3rd gear lol).

nice one:thumbsup:
I don't even want to put myself in a high risk LOL

[PHAT1]

get your injectors cleaned under ultrasonic. but if you have a 2 1/2 inch exhaust then it is too big anyways, reduce it to 2 to 2 1/4 inch and you will get more economy and performance.

[buzz]

yer they are the main things to look for, if your exhaust is to big for your engine, your car is tuned in a way that more fuel is being pumped into the engine, or you race someone at the lights all the time.

i know in my teg i get max probably about 420kms out of one petrol tank, but its cause i do hit vtec quite alot. hehehe

[lil_miss_vtec]

Is it bad to let the fuel get right down to the bottom of the tank b4 filling up?
I try not 2 cuz im worried about the gunk at the bottom :( so i fill up b4 it gets 2 low

[EL_DC5]

Well My car is new and I put nothing but BP Ultimate in it. So i have gone 100k on the fuel light which was impressive. I have 2 trip meters and I reset the B one when the fuel lights hit

[buzz]

well normally people say that you shouldnt let your tank drop below the quarter mark, but i normally fill her up when the light comes on. :D

[Lepperfish]

Mine rarley gets the light to come on, prob 3 times in 4-5 years.

[lil_miss_vtec]

^ same :)

[EL_DC5]

well im going to WSID tonight and I got ULTIMATE in it <1/4 tank, lets see what my baby has. I think that if the the car is tuned to RON95 it won't really do much.

[lil_miss_vtec]

^ yep! it probly wont make a diffrence. high octane fuel wont add any kw.
I know if a car is tuned for 98 it will run like crap without it

[EL_DC5]

There should be a attachment that you can put at the end of the bowser that filter water and stuff from the fuel and counts the amount of ml that goes in to your car. Someone should invent this if its not aleady

[XP02ED]

ive done some testing on my car, i get 360kms if i drive like a wanker.. about 450 if i drive normally..

using the 98 octane of course. dc5 should get u to about 380ish in average?

[Jezzah]

I get about 10000km on a full tank on my dc2r, i stick cardboard wings on the side and when i vtec, i go airborn and fly to my destination.
:)
anyhow, back to the question, clean your air filter with some stuff that u can buy from autobarn, replace thermostat and spark plugs.

[vteccoupe]

jz to confirm does the dc5r has a bigger tank than the dc2r?

[didz]

dc5R is 50 lt

[dc2r]

DC2R is also 50L.

I normally get 7.5L/100kms
And I VTEC every time I get into my car.

[jdm_kid]

DC2R is also 50L.

I normally get 7.5L/100kms
And I VTEC every time I get into my car.

50L bullshite ?~

[Kazaf]

DC2R is 40L as far as I know?

[Da1nONLY]

DC2R is 40L as far as I know?

nah...50.. i've filled up 46 litres before...

[EL_DC5]

Maybe 40L /w 6L reserve

[zco]

there should be a threa don this already.. if you're not getting the correct fuel comsumption you believe you should be getting, then look under technical>FAQ

herse a quick comparison that you mgiht be able to compare with your cars..

my old ek4. ran 40psi and vtec'd a few times. got 610kms from a 45Litre tank. filled up at a servo and i fillde 44.3Litres (only had 0.7L in the tank)
~usually get about 500kms from my ek4

my current EK1. D16Y motor. 45Litre tank. get 550kms. increase your tyre pressure to about 40psi and it'll be able to get 600.


eDIT: i cant give you the URL .. its f'd at work. but here it is. copy and pasted word for word from what mr. wyn has written lol

How do I workout my fuel economy / usage
Now a lot of people just go on the number of KMs they get per 'full tank' however this can vary depending on how much you fill up and how much you have left in the tank.
I use the following method to work out the fuel usage (Litres) per 100KMs (a more accurate and comparable figure due to variations in fuel tank sizes).

Steps for calculation fuel economy
1) When you fill up your tank, fill up all the way to the top.
2) Zero your trip meter and drive around as per normal
3) Once you've used up fuel (say half a tank or more) fill up again all the way to the top of the tank
4) Note how much fuel you put in this time and also how many KMs you've done.
5) Use this formula to workout your fuel consumption.

Fuel Economy (L/100KMs) = 100*(Fill up amount (L) / Distance travelled (KMs)

Example
So say you did 420KMs on 35L of fuel:
FE = 100*(35/420) = 8.01L/100Kms

What should my fuel economy be like?
Now this varies depending on your car, the condition of the engine and also the model of car you have. Look in your car manual for a rough figure (but note that these figures are usually quite optimistic).
In my 1993 Civic Si 1.6L DOHC non-VTEC car I get around 8-9L/100KMs depending on the way it is driven.

What could cause me to use more fuel than normal?
There are quite a few factors that affect fuel economy and this thread hopes to point out what things you can look at (starting from the cheapest things to inspect / change).

Tyre pressues
Having low tyres pressure creates more resistance and cause the engine to work harder. Check your tyre pressures and try running a slightly higher tyre pressure (check your owners manual or tyre packard inside the drivers door) for the correct tyre pressue.

Air filter
If you haven't checked/changed your air filter lately, take it out give it a clean and if its still OK put it back in. If however it needs replacing try replacing it.

ECU Reset
If your car has been recently serviced and is still using too much fuel, you could try reseting your ECU. Just pull out the ECU fuse for about 5 mins (or disconnect the negative terminal of your battery). When you start the car up, just let it idle for a few mins before driving off.

02 Sensor
The 02 sensor only really comes into play under closed loop conditions (ie free way driving or at idle). If your ECU is throwing a 02 sensor error code or the 02 sensor itself is faulty (you can check the voltage it should be sending to the ECU with a multimeter, depending on the AF ratio). If you know somoeone with the same car try borrowing their 02 sensor.