ORC Clutch and Flywheel

[TypeG]

Just got my ORC Clutch and Flywheel from EdwR today. They look really good. Have booked to install on Tue. Hope I can handle the clutch. Will give you guys some reviews wafter that.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7059/1000942qr6.jpg

[mugen88]

Gas,

Looks good hope it works well.

Can you PM me price and part number, thanks.

[TypeG]

Gas,

Looks good hope it works well.

Can you PM me price and part number, thanks.

price and part number as advertised in trader section

[ALN]

This is nice stuff mate. Don't have to worry about the result.

[TypeG]

This is nice stuff mate. Don't have to worry about the result.
I know as i read a lot of threads to come up with this brand.

[itr_dc5]

Just got my ORC Clutch and Flywheel from EdwR today. They look really good. Have booked to install on Tue. Hope I can handle the clutch. Will give you guys some reviews wafter that.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7059/1000942qr6.jpg

Mate if it is anything like the dc5r one you will love it. nice and grippy without the super hard pedal feel.

nice buy. look forward to your review.

[Type R Positive]

Any specs? Weight differences compared to oem?
Clutch looks damn sexy too, by the way!

[aaronng]

How much is installation?

[ZEi20T]

very nice!!

whats the weight of the flywheel? and the clamping pressure?

[gambate]

errr... isnt it suppose to have a thrust bearing too, or just not in pic? l o l

[TypeG]

errr... isnt it suppose to have a thrust bearing too, or just not in pic? l o l

that's inside the box... not sure if that thing is what you mean.

[aaronng]

You're supposed to get a Honda OEM thrust bearing.

[TypeG]

Mate if it is anything like the dc5r one you will love it. nice and grippy without the super hard pedal feel.

nice buy. look forward to your review.

K24 using K20 one so SHOULD feel the same...... =)

[TypeG]

How much is installation?

Promax in Melbourne charge me $300
they are the cheapest quote I got and they are very friendly

[TypeG]

very nice!!

whats the weight of the flywheel? and the clamping pressure?

http://www.oguraclutch.co.jp/orc/orc_ex~1plate.html

http://www.oguraclutch.co.jp/orc/pdf/orc2006cat_1plate.pdf

3.8kg flywheel

[yfin]

price and part number as advertised in trader section

Sorry, couldn't find it. Can you either link or let us know?

[TypeG]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51330

[yfin]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51330

Cheers man - so $1295 including lightweight flywheel. Sounds good! Keep us updated with how it goes.

[TypeG]

You're supposed to get a Honda OEM thrust bearing.

just find out u cant use OEM bearing for this clutch as my mechanic hasnt seen my bearing wrapped in the box and fit them with OEM bearing and at the end.... cant go in any gear
now they have to do it again :p

[TypeG]

Pick up my car yesterday, have spent a whole day driving it around. The pedal feel is not heavy compare to stock but different feel when u step into it just like pressing a button. I found the clutch bites really hard once i put into gear. I am lucky enough to manage no embarassing stalls so far as I do give a little bit rev for the start. I think I will need to get use to what the rev range is if I want to drive comfortably. ORC kit do have some noise when u press the clutch in but it is still acceptable since my header's noise is more annoying =). The lighter flywheel has also made a noticeable improvement in response as well to match the clutch. the rev keep on climbing with a quick little drop bewteen each gear the the clutch will bit in and make the rev climb again. Definitely a highly recommended mod or upgrade. Even the 6th gear at 100km/h response in acceleration. I expect to experience shuddering during downshifts if my are not rev-matching. So far that's what my feeling.

[EK4R]

hows the idle take off? my friend said its alot harder to take off compare to the old ones he had. the car shudders when in friction point. how high do you rev and maintain your rev when you take off? my friend said he had to get it up to 2.5 - 3k sometimes to keep it a smooth take off.

[TypeG]

u are true
i need rev to like 2.5-3 for a smooth take off with a slow release on clutch

[EK4R]

u are true
i need rev to like 2.5-3 for a smooth take off with a slow release on clutch

would that burn the clutch?? cos in a way you kinda just riding it

[TypeG]

i dun need a smooth take but only when some lady inside my car =)

[EK4R]

dnt really answer the qns

[Chris_F]

i normally rev it to 2.5k or so if i wanna take off smooth aswell. It's one of the down sides of a grippy clutch/ lightweight flywheel - its really easy to burn the clutch when reversing up hill aswell (i just generally avoid it).

To answer your question (friends question) i normally keep the revs at 2.5k for 1-2 seconds to get the car moving then release relatively quickly after that, its just a matter of playing around with what works for you

[TypeG]

somehow a smooth take off cant really release quickly if u really need to.

[kduong01]

With these clutches, it just takes a bit of getting use to. You dont have to rev that high, its just u have to ride the friction point a little longer before letting the clutch completely out, if you want a "smooth" takeoff. Its all a matter of practice :D

[EK4R]

i normally rev it to 2.5k or so if i wanna take off smooth aswell. It's one of the down sides of a grippy clutch/ lightweight flywheel - its really easy to burn the clutch when reversing up hill aswell (i just generally avoid it).

To answer your question (friends question) i normally keep the revs at 2.5k for 1-2 seconds to get the car moving then release relatively quickly after that, its just a matter of playing around with what works for you

great thx for that. :thumbsup: would that eat the clutch alot?

he said to me today that he let the clutch go near friction point and then added gas. seemed to worked for him but still jerky. you guys tried this?

[TypeG]

thx for all the answers.... i will need sometimes to get use to it

[Chris_F]

great thx for that. :thumbsup: would that eat the clutch alot?

he said to me today that he let the clutch go near friction point and then added gas. seemed to worked for him but still jerky. you guys tried this?

It's probably not good for the clutch to be at 2.5k rpm for an extended time, but with practice I've been able to reduce the time its there to about 1 second. It's generating the initial momentum that's the hard part because the flywheel holds significantly less inertia so it's always trying to stop on you.

I haven't tried the method your friends been using but i might give it a go :thumbsup:

[TypeG]

is this a street/track used clutch? if yes, some rev shouldnt be that bad for the clutch as if I need to drive really smooth, i need to release the clutch really slowly to prevent shuddering in most gear

[EK4R]

ok i jst went for lunch with him and had a good drive. sport organic clutch + spoon fly.

upshifting wasnt so bad just had to wait lil bit to get a smooth shift. add alil gas while u change too.

take off was the hard bit. i find it rev it few times before going gets it off pretty good, even at friction point i bliped the throttle and it went off pretty smooth. bite was great, and clutch was alil harder than OEM.

[Chris_F]

EK4R i went for a drive today paying special attention to my driving technique... I actually only rev it to 1.5k then hold it at the friction point for a bout 1 second before releasing it completely. 2.5k isn't needed for a smooth take off

[TypeG]

EK4R i went for a drive today paying special attention to my driving technique... I actually only rev it to 1.5k then hold it at the friction point for a bout 1 second before releasing it completely. 2.5k isn't needed for a smooth take off


lol
seems like i need a lot of practice and may as well remove the engine damper first until i fully control it as it is fxxken shock inside the car =)

[kitbkk]

just got mine today and the whole clutch/flywheel assembly is only about 9 kilos. so excited to get it installed.

[Crapdaz]

congrats, take photos.
what part no. by the way?

[enkay]

if its the orc one, then its the same one as the dc5. u can see the part number in one of the trader forums (maxhondapower i think)

[kitbkk]

part number is ORC-309DS-05H. yes I also got it from maxhondapower. Now its discounted to $1180 and its newer model (silent type). Will let u all know when its installed.
pics
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6131/img9166cn3.jpg

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4053/img9167hw9.jpg

[enkay]

that is one beautiful clutch aye =P
i plan on gettin this down the road too
on my list of many things haha

cant wait to hear your review =D

[Crapdaz]

dang mang dat whoppin nice.....

but for money wise i think i'd spend on greddy emanage ult and tune.

[kitbkk]

hehe Ive already got the emanage ultimate but still dont have time to tune it yet lol.

[Crapdaz]

hehe Ive already got the emanage ultimate but still dont have time to tune it yet lol.

hey just to go off topic what harness did you end up getting? boomslang tsx04-06 air and water input ?

[kitbkk]

I got it 2nd hand from the guy started the emanage ultimate thread. Ill ask him about it if I see him comes online.

[Crapdaz]

I got it 2nd hand from the guy started the emanage ultimate thread. Ill ask him about it if I see him comes online.

i think i know who you mean, CL9K24A3.
He got the Air + Water input.

Anyhow when you getting your ORC in?

[kitbkk]

so it should be air+water input then. its because cl9k24a3 and ALN got their harnesses together so I guess they should be the same. Ill have to get the automatic harness modified to suit my manual euro though. will post up in the emanage ultimate thread after its installed.

im thinking of installing both emanage and orc clutch installed next month though.

[Crapdaz]

damn!
crazy mods dude, all up would be almost 1.5k+ to get tuned and clutch installed.

[kitbkk]

im hoping they are not something near there mate. was told tunning in melbourne is 500. and 300 for clutch/flywheel install.

[Crapdaz]

im hoping they are not something near there mate. was told tunning in melbourne is 500. and 300 for clutch/flywheel install.

yeh, hope not either as i am thinking of getting the exedy clutch and FW.
damn was quoted $700 for tuning in syd, but need to find somewhere cheaper if not then have to fork out extra $200.

Is your clutch slipping btw and how many kms on stock?

[kitbkk]

$700 ia expensive IMO. you should better find yourself holidaying in Melbourne and do it here hehehe. my clutch is functioning fine, no slipping or anything at all. Its done 21,000km BTW.

[Crapdaz]

$700 ia expensive IMO. you should better find yourself holidaying in Melbourne and do it here hehehe. my clutch is functioning fine, no slipping or anything at all. Its done 21,000km BTW.

WTF, you dont drive much?????
But surprisingly for my car 5yr old and only 65k.
13k km/year.

Yeh was plannin on getting the hondata reflash, but now i think i am just going to get it greddy tuned down in melbourne if its heaps cheaper. Refer us to some guys who are cheap in melbourne if you can.

[kitbkk]

I have had this installed for sometime now..almost a month or so i think..

First impression, when I first got in my car from the workshop, I straight went on pressing the clutch, it felt a tat much harder, but it pushes ur foot up heaps quicker. It is not really annoying stiff though. Taking off is a bit harder to not stall the car..it wasnt really a smooth take off at all..
First day I drove the car back home I had to run it in quite a bit so I didnt want to rev it hard...

In the last few weeks, after it ran in, I got a chance to drive it hard. The car revs like crazy.. First gear just went like a second. I was like..whoa..time for 2nd gear already. The car just revs a lot freer and I noticed traction problem in almost the whole first gear if flooring when take off. It is harder to concentrate on the RPM to shift up before the rev limiter comes in.

Even though this model is a silent one, it still has a buzzing whining noise. The noise comes when pressing the clutch and let go of throttle. It sounds like wire metal scratching.. But it is not that annoying loud. I did some research before I bought this and it seemed that almost everyone who got this experienced that noise,. Can anyone who got exedy flywheel/clutch kit confirm they experience the same thing?

Friction point has been narrowed down a lot..its like once you meet the point, the clutch just bite and hold it super strongly..

Installing was a biatch...The whole cross member had to be off..Radiator had to be off.. Passenger side suspension had to be off..Gearbox off..Engine mount had to be off as well... I had no idea how typeG got his done for $300.. It was about +/-8 hours job...

Anyway..Im super happy with this...It is hard to drive it slow now hehehe:p

Hope its helpful..

[Suntzu]

Sounds good. so you reckon the performance increase is noticeable and worth the increased clutch difficulty?

Faster to 100kph you reckon? Rolling response improved in traffic?

[kitbkk]

Sounds good. so you reckon the performance increase is noticeable and worth the increased clutch difficulty?

Faster to 100kph you reckon? Rolling response improved in traffic?
For me it is worth it. Not sure if its because its still new and Im still excited about it. To make the car not stall/take off perfectly, you have to apply a bit more throttle, which Im not sure will you not like it to have a car that sounds annoying (revving) OR you just let the car go quietly but it kinds of jumps and rattles a bit when its near the friction point.

Performance increase is very noticeable. It just feels like a different car now. Im quite sure it is faster to reach 100km/h. So damn sure:p Rolling response imporves in traffic YES..but which is annoying. You kind of cant just go easy take off like used to now..the car just wants to jump and jump lol.

Hope it makes any sense...:p

[EK4R]

how is it reversing uphill , thats wat i was worried about with mine. and it sucked

[kitbkk]

how is it reversing uphill , thats wat i was worried about with mine. and it sucked

I find it not much different from taking off though. But Im sure if you have to reverse in a long way...it will stall really badly.

[EUR003act]

hehehe when my gearbox dies :( im gonna replace with DC5R LSD box and toda lightwieght flywheel... mmmmm :thumbsup:

[kitbkk]

just got mine today and the whole clutch/flywheel assembly is only about 9 kilos. so excited to get it installed.

whoaa! I just weigh the stock clutch and flywheel! The whole thing weigh 15.7 kilo!!!

[EUR003act]

whoaa! I just weigh the stock clutch and flywheel! The whole thing weigh 15.7 kilo!!!

DAAAAAMMMMNNNN!!!

yeah im definately going lightwieght fly! :D

now just gotta find myself a cheap DC5R gearbox :p

[kitbkk]

will be nice! when your having everything off the car..fit LSD, gearbox, clutch/flywheel.....will be worth the money!

[Suntzu]

Fking A flywheell , clutch and LSD forTeh WiNanA!

[kitbkk]

just went for a drive today..long long drive..
well, I didnt drive fast, below speed limit of course..
launching.. tried about 2k RPM, then once I felt that the car had some friction, I tried to floor it all the way, damn,.....it was like bang bang bang bang...wheels hop like crazy.. all the way to 2nd.. Well, I shift at 6.5k RPM, once I push down the clutch, the needle quickly swiped up to 7k RPM.. note that there is no throttle at all when I shift..
And once I release the clutch...the rev is already at 5k RPM. in 2nd gear..
I tried this again when shifting to 3rd...it is still the same.. shift at 6.5k rpm then once release the clutch, its back to 5k rpm again..
I dont think I noticed this before the clutch and flywheel.. hehehehehe
note..I didnt go above speed limit.

[Euro08Jaz]

would look into a Engine tourqe dampener to help with that wheel hop, something i noticed my euro suffers considerably from.

hey have you gone into a maacas drive through wit this mod? can you still ride the clutch a little in heavy traffic?

[Suntzu]

just went for a drive today..long long drive..
well, I didnt drive fast, below speed limit of course..
launching.. tried about 2k RPM, then once I felt that the car had some friction, I tried to floor it all the way, damn,.....it was like bang bang bang bang...wheels hop like crazy.. all the way to 2nd.. Well, I shift at 6.5k RPM, once I push down the clutch, the needle quickly swiped up to 7k RPM.. note that there is no throttle at all when I shift..
And once I release the clutch...the rev is already at 5k RPM. in 2nd gear..
I tried this again when shifting to 3rd...it is still the same.. shift at 6.5k rpm then once release the clutch, its back to 5k rpm again..
I dont think I noticed this before the clutch and flywheel.. hehehehehe
note..I didnt go above speed limit.

Interesting. I really wanna do this mod so bad but without driving a euro with a lightweight flywheel clutch I'm scared that its going to make the work commute a bitch.

Eurojaz can you please get this done to your car and give me a drive around town! Cheers

[aaronng]

Interesting. I really wanna do this mod so bad but without driving a euro with a lightweight flywheel clutch I'm scared that its going to make the work commute a bitch.

Eurojaz can you please get this done to your car and give me a drive around town! Cheers

Or just make a trip up to sydney for the next Euro meet :p

[kitbkk]

would look into a Engine tourqe dampener to help with that wheel hop, something i noticed my euro suffers considerably from.

hey have you gone into a maacas drive through wit this mod? can you still ride the clutch a little in heavy traffic?
Im not interested in an ETD for my car. Im not a fan of vibration caused when taking off. Dunno whether that is better than the bang bang bang from wheel hopping though.

I dont do maccas drive through LOL. But I do drive everyday in Melbourne traffic as I live in Melbourne city. It is all good. Not a problem for me. I at first thought this mod would'nt suit me coz I have 19", living in city and soft sussy. It is less comfy than stock but still bearable. Once you get used to it, one stall when launching comes onces in a while .its the most day and night difference mod so far...LOL

[Euro08Jaz]

Interesting. I really wanna do this mod so bad but without driving a euro with a lightweight flywheel clutch I'm scared that its going to make the work commute a bitch.

Eurojaz can you please get this done to your car and give me a drive around town! Cheers

lol only for you

i had this image of kitbkk having to launch his car to get maacas. i guess this mod isnt as harsh as i imagined

[EUR003act]

i had ingalls ETD for awhile... took it off because the shock siezed up... i prefer not having it now lol

[Euro08Jaz]

im definitely going to do with but im going in order of handling, drive train/transmisson than power. i want to maintain engine warranty as long as possible

id probably look at a tranny swap with a type s

[Accord Basic]

Hi all,
is the FN2 flywheel lighter than euro flywheel? compare to ORC clutch kit and Exedy Organic clutch kit, which one you are prefer for euro? Thanks

[ndeuro_]

will be nice! when your having everything off the car..fit LSD, gearbox, clutch/flywheel.....will be worth the money!

sorry about the nubness. been wondering for a while now. what does LSD stand for?

[tony1234]

sorry about the nubness. been wondering for a while now. what does LSD stand for?
LSD=limited slip diff.

[Suntzu]

Damn my clutch and my cars 49 000kms. To too much meat left for me to upgrade to a lightweight package!

[Crapdaz]

it's a good drive with lightweight f/w and clutch.

from aaron's car. Revs so freely.

[aaronng]

it's a good drive with lightweight f/w and clutch.

from aaron's car. Revs so freely.

I noticed you didn't use full throttle in 1st and 2nd gear to redline though. hehehe. Good anyway, since my engine oil was still cool. :p

[hooyn]

does anyone know the reason as to why, when im going low speeds my 2nd gear is a stubborn to shift into ? and also, when im going red line 1st then shift to 2nd it crunches a bit ? makes a loud shift noise.

and one more thing. when i go 1st into second and drop the clutch in 2nd it jolts the car. is this normal ?

yes i am pushing the clutch all the way in then shifting. i have no trouble with the other gears just 2nd.

[aaronng]

does anyone know the reason as to why, when im going low speeds my 2nd gear is a stubborn to shift into ? and also, when im going red line 1st then shift to 2nd it crunches a bit ? makes a loud shift noise.

and one more thing. when i go 1st into second and drop the clutch in 2nd it jolts the car. is this normal ?

yes i am pushing the clutch all the way in then shifting. i have no trouble with the other gears just 2nd.
If you have problem getting into 2nd gear only, then I reckon the 2nd gear synchros are worn out if the other gears are fine.

Could be because you are abusing your gearbox? You shouldn't drop the clutch in 2nd if the RPM is not at the exact match. Just release it in one smooth motion.

Is your clutch bite point at the bottom or in the middle?

[Crapdaz]

I noticed you didn't use full throttle in 1st and 2nd gear to redline though. hehehe. Good anyway, since my engine oil was still cool. :p
yeh didn't want to incase your car was cold.
plus it is not my car so didn't want to push it all the way. Get nervous.


does anyone know the reason as to why, when im going low speeds my 2nd gear is a stubborn to shift into ? and also, when im going red line 1st then shift to 2nd it crunches a bit ? makes a loud shift noise.

and one more thing. when i go 1st into second and drop the clutch in 2nd it jolts the car. is this normal ?

yes i am pushing the clutch all the way in then shifting. i have no trouble with the other gears just 2nd.
Its the euro gearbox, it's like that. i tried before and couldnt shift into 2nd.

Have you drive for a bit until its warm and it shifts nicely.

But you need to revv match. <-- thats the main factor.

Or stated by aaron the synchros.

[hooyn]

If you have problem getting into 2nd gear only, then I reckon the 2nd gear synchros are worn out if the other gears are fine.

Could be because you are abusing your gearbox? You shouldn't drop the clutch in 2nd if the RPM is not at the exact match. Just release it in one smooth motion.

Is your clutch bite point at the bottom or in the middle?

its at the middle. now when i think about it. my trips are usually only 10 - 20 minutes usually.

so what crapdaz said, its not operating at its optimum temperature i believe could be the case ?

[Crapdaz]

i found when i dragged my friends auto euro, i couldn't shift into 2nd until i dropped the revs a bit, when i hit 7k.


its at the middle. now when i think about it. my trips are usually only 10 - 20 minutes usually.

so what crapdaz said, its not operating at its optimum temperature i believe could be the case ?


its at the middle. now when i think about it. my trips are usually only 10 - 20 minutes usually.

so what crapdaz said, its not operating at its optimum temperature i believe could be the case ?
10-20mins doesn't even let the engine oil warm up to it's full potential.
Does not give the Kseries engine justice.

[tony1234]

does anyone know the reason as to why, when im going low speeds my 2nd gear is a stubborn to shift into ? and also, when im going red line 1st then shift to 2nd it crunches a bit ? makes a loud shift noise.

and one more thing. when i go 1st into second and drop the clutch in 2nd it jolts the car. is this normal ?

yes i am pushing the clutch all the way in then shifting. i have no trouble with the other gears just 2nd.
Change your MTF.Guaranteed improved shifting.

[EUR003act]

Honda 6sp box commonly has trouble with shifting into 2nd... my car does it every now and then... :(

Search in the integra forums, theres alot of into there about the problem...

as said by others, try rev match, and be gentler on that particular change :thumbsup:

[aaronng]

Mine has no problems. I pull the gearstick straight down into 2nd, not down and to the left like many other ppl. :p

[Crapdaz]

mine has no problems. I pull the gearstick straight down into 2nd, not down and to the left like many other ppl. :p
roflmao! ;)

[Accord Basic]

Hi guys,

how much do you think for install a ORC clutch kit, LSD and Final Drive on euro? I just look at the manual, it is very big works for removing a gearbox. do you know faster way (safe method). Can it DIY?
Thanks

[aaronng]

Hi guys,

how much do you think for install a ORC clutch kit, LSD and Final Drive on euro? I just look at the manual, it is very big works for removing a gearbox. do you know faster way (safe method). Can it DIY?
Thanks

I'm guessing around $1000 or more. Have you called Hanny's for a quote?

And no, I don't recommend that you DIY.

[Accord Basic]

Thanks
Is Hanny's a workshop in Perth? I am located in Perth. just purchased the clutch kit. thinking to have LSD and Final drive install at the same time. which brand of Final drive and what ratio do you recommend for euro? I found a LSD on ebay, do you think is a good buy? link below
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-HONDA-HELICAL-LSD-CIVIC-TYPE-R-EP3-Integra-DC5_W0QQitemZ390006825123QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRace_C ar_Parts?hash=item390006825123&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72&#37;3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[Suntzu]

I got quoted about $680 for Clutch and Flywheel in canberra which i thought was decent. Dunno ho much the LSD adds but i would do this at the same time.

i just don know what LSD to get and how.

[aaronng]

Thanks
Is Hanny's a workshop in Perth? I am located in Perth. just purchased the clutch kit. thinking to have LSD and Final drive install at the same time. which brand of Final drive and what ratio do you recommend for euro? I found a LSD on ebay, do you think is a good buy? link below
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-HONDA-HELICAL-LSD-CIVIC-TYPE-R-EP3-Integra-DC5_W0QQitemZ390006825123QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRace_C ar_Parts?hash=item390006825123&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Oops, didn't notice you were in Perth. Hannys is in Sydney. I recommend that you search the where to buy section and post in there if you can't find anything.

[aaronng]

I got quoted about $680 for Clutch and Flywheel in canberra which i thought was decent. Dunno ho much the LSD adds but i would do this at the same time.

i just don know what LSD to get and how.

Your choices if you want torsen is only Honda OEM, Quaife or the new Wavetrac.

[Accord Basic]

I found a LSD with speed gear, and other LSD without speed gear. does anyone know which LSD can fit on CL9? do I need the speed gear? Link below

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180261190980&sspagename=STRK&#37;3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180265178520&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

[aaronng]

I found a LSD with speed gear, and other LSD without speed gear. does anyone know which LSD can fit on CL9? do I need the speed gear? Link below

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180261190980&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180265178520&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=

Both fit. If it is the same price, then get it with the gear. Otherwise, you don't need it. :p Mine didn't have it. I just reused the one that was bolted to my open diff.

[Suntzu]

Whats the OBX LSD like ? Im hearing good and bad...hmm

[Accord Basic]

do you think the price is worth to buy? someone sell the same LSD for AUD 650 before and the ebay selling 760 + shipping = 870. Please advise. I also got a quote for Cusco 1.5 way LSD (brand new) for AUD 1500 + shipping may be about $1800 in total.
Which one is better?

[aaronng]

do you think the price is worth to buy? someone sell the same LSD for AUD 650 before and the ebay selling 760 + shipping = 870. Please advise. I also got a quote for Cusco 1.5 way LSD (brand new) for AUD 1500 + shipping may be about $1800 in total.
Which one is better?

Check the condition of the $650 LSD. If it is good, then get that as it is cheaper than $870 (which is also used anyway).

Cusco 1.5 is a different type of LSD. It is not a mechanical LSD like the Honda/OBX. It will need different transmission fluid and changing of the clutch plates at regular intervals. Easy on a RWD but a bitch to do on a FWD.

[Accord Basic]

Thanks, I have heard the clutch type LSD required to change oil more often.

Hi all need an advise.
do you think is it good to have a used TSX final drive (4.764) on CL9? other option for me is to buy a new set of spoon FD (5.1) or Mfactory FD (5.48?).
The most expensive is the Mfactory, over a thousand shipped. Spoon is about 780 and the used TSX cost 400.

what you guys think?
Thanks

[aaronng]

Thanks, I have heard the clutch type LSD required to change oil more often.

Hi all need an advise.
do you think is it good to have a used TSX final drive (4.764) on CL9? other option for me is to buy a new set of spoon FD (5.1) or Mfactory FD (5.48?).
The most expensive is the Mfactory, over a thousand shipped. Spoon is about 780 and the used TSX cost 400.

what you guys think?
Thanks
If you buy the TSX final drive, make sure you get the matching speed gear for it.

[Accord Basic]

is it good to have stainless steel clutch hose install? Thanks

[Accord Basic]

does someone know which workshop is the best for install clutch & flywheels for Honda Euro in Perth WA?
Called Tony Flood, it is too big job for him alone. and I found a place called S&G Gearbox Exchange (Ford & Holden). www.sggearbox.com.au Are they good?

Thanks

[kitbkk]

need help!
I installed this ORC clutch at 21,000km in May-June last year.

Last month or so the clutch started to make whining noise. Similar noise when car is in reverse, but it is in first gear after clutch is released and engaged.

Then last week I just experienced clutch slipping! I was driving spiritedly, going from 2nd and flooring it down to 3rd and 4th. Clutch slipped all the way in 3rd gear and 4th gear for the first time. By slipping I mean rev went up but speed was not going anywhere. Even I tried to set the cruise control on, by putting accel button on the steering wheel, the car just revs up and not going any faster.

Today I was trying to overtake a tram, at around 40km/h, I couldn't even do it! When driving the car now I have to be careful with the throttle. Any gear I am in, even though gear is already engaged in, if I apply throttle a bit too much (not even near flooring), the car revs up quick and speed isn't increasing.

Car has only done 33,500 kms at the moment (12,500 on this ORC clutch) and it has only been one year and five months since I got the clutch installed. Why is it gone this quick? I never used engine brake at all or riding the clutch to slow down the car. I think with my driving style, I only need to ride the clutch a bit more to take off smoothly in the city etc. Is my clutch on the way out? Is it something to do with ORC clutch plate being metal?

I am thinking of getting Exedy organic clutch that comes with pressure plate, clutch plate and release bearing. I think this will fit the DC5 ORC flywheel I have? Any other better option? I don't think ORC offer overhauling kits anymore and I doubt I can get only clutch plate for it.

Thanks very much for anyone that will help. Rep points will be given too:thumbsup::)

[integral90]

need help!
I installed this ORC clutch at 21,000km in May-June last year.

Last month or so the clutch started to make whining noise. Similar noise when car is in reverse, but it is in first gear after clutch is released and engaged.

Then last week I just experienced clutch slipping! I was driving spiritedly, going from 2nd and flooring it down to 3rd and 4th. Clutch slipped all the way in 3rd gear and 4th gear for the first time. By slipping I mean rev went up but speed was not going anywhere. Even I tried to set the cruise control on, by putting accel button on the steering wheel, the car just revs up and not going any faster.

Today I was trying to overtake a tram, at around 40km/h, I couldn't even do it! When driving the car now I have to be careful with the throttle. Any gear I am in, even though gear is already engaged in, if I apply throttle a bit too much (not even near flooring), the car revs up quick and speed isn't increasing.

Car has only done 33,500 kms at the moment (12,500 on this ORC clutch) and it has only been one year and five months since I got the clutch installed. Why is it gone this quick? I never used engine brake at all or riding the clutch to slow down the car. I think with my driving style, I only need to ride the clutch a bit more to take off smoothly in the city etc. Is my clutch on the way out? Is it something to do with ORC clutch plate being metal?

I am thinking of getting Exedy organic clutch that comes with pressure plate, clutch plate and release bearing. I think this will fit the DC5 ORC flywheel I have? Any other better option? I don't think ORC offer overhauling kits anymore and I doubt I can get only clutch plate for it.

Thanks very much for anyone that will help. Rep points will be given too:thumbsup::)

Have you tried adjusting the friction point and doing a simple clutch fluid swap?

I don't know how you drive but the clutch could be engaging on an angle, I don't think the release bearing contributes to that though.

As far as a replacement clutch, any brand clutch made for K20 or DC5R would fit the DC5 flywheel.

[kitbkk]

Hey thanks for the quick reply!
Haven't tried adjusting the friction point or clutch fluid swap. But I feel that my friction point hasn't changed. My car has had problems with creaking clutch pedal/master cylinder changed etc. I had been fixed but I doubt it is that that is causing the clutch wearing this quick. And it is supposed to be performance/metal clutch too so I didn't think or expect it to wear out only 12,500kms?
Gears can still get in fine with no problem. Clutch pedal still feels very hard like it used to be since it was first installed. But the bite has gone almost completely. Feels like it is almost not biting at all..

[integral90]

The whole point of a sports clutch is that it grabs harder than a normal one, so you can't drive it like a normal clutch. I know with my Exedy sports one if I ease off from a stop like I did with the stock clutch it burns out (AND YOU CAN SMELL IT BADLY) straight away.

You've got the be a lot quicker getting on and off the clutch with a sports one, of course, I don't know if you do that or not :P

[kitbkk]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to integral90 again."
:p

I can only get on and off the clutch quickly if I'm not driving in Melbourne city traffic. But ORC clutch is metal though, I had never had it burning. Don't think metal clutch can get burnt? I really like how the pressure plate is very very firm. So say if I swap to exedy sports organic clutch plate, pressure plate and release bearing, is the car will be more easy to drive? Given that I still use the DC5 ORC lighten flywheel (3.8kilo from memory). Seems like some issues just pops up every time I get something fixed:(

[integral90]

The Exedy Sports feels almost identical to the stock clutch in friction point and firmness. I am a little bias when I say that because my car had an incredibly stiff OEM clutch (Aaron felt it). It just bites much harder, which is really nice. That said; when you're driving it you can almost feel that it's a smaller clutch dealing with a bigger, heavier car than it was necessarily designed for. It doesn't slip when fully engaged, but if you give it too much gas before you've almost completely taken your foot off it will slip.

It is really nice though, firm with a LOT of feedback. I can drive the car seamlessly smooth quite easily with it. Haven't driven the ORC, but I assume it's smoother than that :p

[aaronng]

Hey thanks for the quick reply!
Haven't tried adjusting the friction point or clutch fluid swap. But I feel that my friction point hasn't changed. My car has had problems with creaking clutch pedal/master cylinder changed etc. I had been fixed but I doubt it is that that is causing the clutch wearing this quick. And it is supposed to be performance/metal clutch too so I didn't think or expect it to wear out only 12,500kms?
Gears can still get in fine with no problem. Clutch pedal still feels very hard like it used to be since it was first installed. But the bite has gone almost completely. Feels like it is almost not biting at all..

Did you replace the pressure plate when you changed the clutch? If you didn't, then your pressure plate could be worn or damaged, seeing that your friction point has not moved upwards and you have that whining sound. Does the whining sound go away when you press the clutch pedal down?

[kitbkk]

Yes Aaron, the whole clutch combo was changed. This includes the clutch pressure plate, clutch plate, flywheel and release bearing.

Normally, with clutch worn out, does the friction point move upwards?

The whining noise goes away when I press the clutch pedal down. But it is very loud, both in first and reverse.

I just got a PM from JDMYARD, unfortunately the DC5 exedy sports organic clutch will not work with ORC flywheel I have. Though they can order in ORC replacement clutch plate. Quite expensive for just a clutch plate though. Yonas stated in the PM saying they had abused their ORC clutch with drags and circuit use. And they had been using it over 3 years!

Well, I can't make decision, whether to just buy the ORC replacement clutch plate or get exedy sports organic combo and flywheel.
Option 1 will cost me around $600 (only clutch plate alone, pressure plate and others parts have to be reused) but I am afraid it will only last about 12,500kms again in the future. Then I will have to pay more for installation.
Option 2 should be around $600 for clutch kit and $4-500 for DC5 flywheel? So this $4-500 for the flywheel makes it more expensive than option 1 but I think it will be better for daily driving and city drive.

At the moment I am leaning towards option 1 and see if I can improve my driving style. In the city traffic, I think I am not fast enough for getting the clutch ON/OFF. I apply gas fist to around 1-2k rpm then release the clutch very slowly to get the car moving a bit then release the whole thing. I think this is what caused the premature wear out?? I though only once in a while do flat shift but that is only say once in two weeks. I never use clutch to do engine brake however..

Long post I know. Thanks heaps Aaron and integral90. And others for reading too.:thumbsup: :(

[aaronng]

At the moment I am leaning towards option 1 and see if I can improve my driving style. In the city traffic, I think I am not fast enough for getting the clutch ON/OFF. I apply gas fist to around 1-2k rpm then release the clutch very slowly to get the car moving a bit then release the whole thing. I think this is what caused the premature wear out?? I though only once in a while do flat shift but that is only say once in two weeks. I never use clutch to do engine brake however..

Long post I know. Thanks heaps Aaron and integral90. And others for reading too.:thumbsup: :(

Yeah, that is probably what wears it out quickly. Especially if you do that a lot on hill starts. I know of someone who shifts gear by holding the clutch pedal halfway for about 0.5 seconds to smoothen it out. His OEM clutch died in 10,000km. 0.5 seconds is nothing, but it wears out quick. And for your ORC which is a different formulation, it could be less forgiving to releasing the clutch slowly. Why are you holding revs at up to 2k though? If you were releasing the clutch slowly, 1000-1500 rpm would be enough.

[integral90]

Yeah, that is probably what wears it out quickly. Especially if you do that a lot on hill starts. I know of someone who shifts gear by holding the clutch pedal halfway for about 0.5 seconds to smoothen it out. His OEM clutch died in 10,000km. 0.5 seconds is nothing, but it wears out quick. And for your ORC which is a different formulation, it could be less forgiving to releasing the clutch slowly. Why are you holding revs at up to 2k though? If you were releasing the clutch slowly, 1000-1500 rpm would be enough.

I launch like you now Aaron, rev up to like 1200rpm and let it out pretty quickly with a little bit of throttle. So it's almost doing the kangaroo hop but it's still smooth :p . Clutch still feels like the day it was put in after almost 15,000km(doesn't burn out as easily though).

[kitbkk]

Why are you holding revs at up to 2k though? If you were releasing the clutch slowly, 1000-1500 rpm would be enough.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to aaronng again.":p

Because sometimes in the traffic I get stressed. :o
Didn't want to rev to low or I would stall.:o
So what you guys do to take of smoothly without wearing clutch is: from stop, rev it up a bit to 1000-1200rpm and hold the gas, then release it quickly? I think I had tried that before but car would either jump or stall.:( ORC is very bitey. I have to get the car roll a bit every time and hold at the friction point a bit before completely let go to make it smooth.

ORC replacement clutch plate would take two weeks to arrive here.
Exedy organic HD option is the same. JDMYARD doesn't have it in stock.
How is the Exedy stage 1 or stage 2 with exedy flywheel from the states?
I reckon the ebay shop Aaron got his from is selling stage 1 and exedy flywheel for around US$600 shipped. This might be better option? Has anyone had stage 1 or stage 2 clutch? I do not mind heavy pedal at all. Just wouldn't want to get this replaced anytime soon again in the future.

[aaronng]

Stage 1 is OEM DC5R clutch, which is weaker than the Euro clutch. I recommend you go for stage 2, which is the Exedy HD Organic.

[kitbkk]

???
I'm confused now.
I thought Exedy HD organic sits in the middle of stage 1 and 2.
Stage 2 is 3 puck clutch which is metal. Stage 1 is also organic but less biting grade than HD organic.

I am still waiting for Yonas to get back to me. He's looking at what is included in the ORC overhauling kit. If it doesn't take too long I would just get this overhauling kit as it would be cheaper. If it takes too long I might have to either get Exedy organic HD or stage 2 with Exedy flywheel. How is the exedy flywheel Aaron? Is it hard to take off the car?

As this is an opportunity to drop the sub-frame and gear box, I am also having a cl7 helical LSD on the way from Japan :P

[felixd]

???
I'm confused now.
I thought Exedy HD organic sits in the middle of stage 1 and 2.
Stage 2 is 3 puck clutch which is metal. Stage 1 is also organic but less biting grade than HD organic.

I am still waiting for Yonas to get back to me. He's looking at what is included in the ORC overhauling kit. If it doesn't take too long I would just get this overhauling kit as it would be cheaper. If it takes too long I might have to either get Exedy organic HD or stage 2 with Exedy flywheel. How is the exedy flywheel Aaron? Is it hard to take off the car?

As this is an opportunity to drop the sub-frame and gear box, I am also having a cl7 helical LSD on the way from Japan :P

wahh helical lsd :D

[TypeG]

do it all in one go....
save on labour and time

[kitbkk]

Yes Gas haha.. Long time no see.
I got quoted for $450 to install the clutch and around $250 for LSD once gearbox is off.

[Accord Basic]

that is cheap for install a clutch and lsd. I got a quote $700 for install a clutch only.

[TypeG]

that is cheap for install a clutch and lsd. I got a quote $700 for install a clutch only.

where???

[kitbkk]

Ak...

[Accord Basic]

I am living in Perth.

Please advise, which clutch kit is better on performance? is the ORC 309 standard clutch better or the slient type?

how about Exedy hyper single clutch kit?

They are all the similar price. don't know which one i should get.

[kitbkk]

I had ORC 309 series silent type clutch/flywheel combo but it had already worn out.
Next week hopefully I can book my car in to get exedy stage 2 3puk racing clutch and exedy light weight flywheel combo in. Then I'll give some feedback on how I find it different from this ORC..
Have never heard of anyone running Exedy hyper single. It is carbon (what I had read) and it is not really for street car. it might be overkill?
One thing to keep in mind, with ORC clutch combo, once it wears out, the flywheel that comes with it will only work with ORC replacement clutch plate which costs around 600 bucks.

[aaronng]

I had ORC 309 series silent type clutch/flywheel combo but it had already worn out.
Next week hopefully I can book my car in to get exedy stage 2 3puk racing clutch and exedy light weight flywheel combo in. Then I'll give some feedback on how I find it different from this ORC..
Have never heard of anyone running Exedy hyper single. It is carbon (what I had read) and it is not really for street car. it might be overkill?
One thing to keep in mind, with ORC clutch combo, once it wears out, the flywheel that comes with it will only work with ORC replacement clutch plate which costs around 600 bucks.

Why are you going for the 3 puck? You will still have problems trying to take off smoothly and will probably wear it down as quick as the ORC. You should go for the sports organic to suit your driving style.

[Accord Basic]

how long the ORC clutch can last? how many km you have done and what driving style you are?

I am thinking to get the organic type, but is it similar to OEM?

[kitbkk]

Aaron- I had been trying to get sports organic from the traders on here. The ones I was talking to never had them in stock plus with Exedy lightweight flywheel also had to be specially ordered from overseas. Then I looked at Gripforce, I got left with either stage 1 or 2. With stage 1 it is between OEM replacement and sports organic. Added that with I need to get my car back on road..Its been almost 2-3 weeks I think. So chose stage 2:o
This time I'll keep in mind when in traffic I'm not gonna ride it too much.

Accord Basic-I think I had about 15000kms out of it. I also posted it all in a page or two pages back.

I think ORC is very very good in terms of performance. It had never been forgiving (only once its worn out:p). Once in a long while I flat shift it, it has never slip ever. But, it is stupid when needs replacement. Their flywheel wont work with anything else. And none of traders here can get replacement clutch plate in:(

[Accord Basic]

that short? then I better to get the organic sport type. from TODA. 15,000km which is less than a year. I normally travel 20,000km a year.
I have done about 90,000km in 5 years.
Thanks for your comments.

[aaronng]

Aaron- I had been trying to get sports organic from the traders on here. The ones I was talking to never had them in stock plus with Exedy lightweight flywheel also had to be specially ordered from overseas. Then I looked at Gripforce, I got left with either stage 1 or 2. With stage 1 it is between OEM replacement and sports organic. Added that with I need to get my car back on road..Its been almost 2-3 weeks I think. So chose stage 2:o
This time I'll keep in mind when in traffic I'm not gonna ride it too much.

Nothing wrong with stage 1. The only time I would consider stage 2 if you were going to Winton or Calder Park. :)

I have the OEM, which is probably stage 0, and still went to Wakefield with it. :p

[kitbkk]

Aaron!!!:)
I'm going to Winton once it is done. Thats why I took out the AR;)

[aaronng]

Aaron!!!:)
I'm going to Winton once it is done. Thats why I took out the AR;)
Coool!!! Have fun! I never got to run hard at Winton. I only went once and it was with 2nd hand tyres that someone had lying around for a few years. I had different rims front and rear, plus they were hardened rubber. hahaha. Maybe next time if I get to drive down to Melb.

[kitbkk]

I'm noob. hehe. I heard you guys were talking about Sydney Euro track day...
If there is such thing let me know and I will drive up LOL

[TypeG]

when you going winton kit, pm me =)

[edw-R]

If you can't get the replacement kit, you may send pm to me. :thumbsup:


Aaron- I had been trying to get sports organic from the traders on here. The ones I was talking to never had them in stock plus with Exedy lightweight flywheel also had to be specially ordered from overseas. Then I looked at Gripforce, I got left with either stage 1 or 2. With stage 1 it is between OEM replacement and sports organic. Added that with I need to get my car back on road..Its been almost 2-3 weeks I think. So chose stage 2:o
This time I'll keep in mind when in traffic I'm not gonna ride it too much.

Accord Basic-I think I had about 15000kms out of it. I also posted it all in a page or two pages back.

I think ORC is very very good in terms of performance. It had never been forgiving (only once its worn out:p). Once in a long while I flat shift it, it has never slip ever. But, it is stupid when needs replacement. Their flywheel wont work with anything else. And none of traders here can get replacement clutch plate in:(

[kitbkk]

is your email march319_88 edward?
if so it means that i had sent to the right email address and you just did'nt bother checking it:( i initially bought the whole clutch kit from you as well.

[Accord Basic]

what is the different between the ORC 309 standard and Slient type? I mean compare with the performance, clutch life and price. I heard that the 309 standard is better performance. is it true?

[kitbkk]

I am not too sure on this but I heard the material used in clutch plates are the same between the two. However the silent type has improved springs which helps make it "a little more bearable" LOL. ORC is very noisy clutch. They are very bitey.