Coilover for ED

[funkdr]

Hey guys

I have been considering coilovers i for my '90 ED civic sedan now i have done a search and found nothing..


The whole idea is that my car can be a daily driver but have the ablilty to track with a b16 conversion in planning i want a decent setup for when i start to hit the track.

So far i have spoken to IS motorracing and they said i would need rear control arm work and front fork work then i can put in any coilover for a Teg or alike depend on how they mod it they quote $600 for this

also they quoted ~$2400 for mods and tein SS but i dont think i want them from what i have read although they will keep a bit more of the comfort on the rd.

So what i am getting at is do i need to modify, will it be legal (i spose ill need engineering cert), What options do i have.

[SiReal]

Have you considered selling your current car and buying a Civic EF9 import? they cost ~8K, already have a B16 and probably have greater aftermarket support. I think it will save you alot of money in the long run without having hassles of conversion, finding parts, etc etc.

Because say, $2K for sussy, $5K for engine = $7K already. + your car is worth $4K so tahts $11K. whereas u could get to where u want for around $8K + $1K for second hand coilovers.

[SiReal]

btw, i've read that SS are too soft for track.

[funkdr]

Yeha i heard SS weret anythign special for track too. Prob hence the name super street.



I have looked at the option of buying a new ride and everyone tells me that but i wil be doing the engine conversion myself thats if i do it its bascially a base and i want ot do most of the work myself i know how it goes together and comes apart all about learning the more i know how it works and whats in there the more i know how the car will react when i change something. And in the end ill have more fun.

[SiReal]

I have looked at the option of buying a new ride and everyone tells me that but i wil be doing the engine conversion myself thats if i do it its bascially a base and i want ot do most of the work myself i know how it goes together and comes apart all about learning the more i know how it works and whats in there the more i know how the car will react when i change something. And in the end ill have more fun.

good attitude :thumbsup: , I say go for it. in that case (I'm no expert in EF/ED suspension), maybe 2nd hand/new coilovers from an EF will fit the ED provided you change some sussy components. But please wait for others to post ;)

Good luck with it.

[~Sp33~]

Have you considered selling your current car and buying a Civic EF9 import? they cost ~8K, already have a B16 and probably have greater aftermarket support. I think it will save you alot of money in the long run without having hassles of conversion, finding parts, etc etc.

But it wont be a sedan :(

SEDANS :D :thumbsup:

you could always hunt down a EF si sedan. Came with a DOHC ZC. If you where looking to import....

But keep your car, its too mint and awesome to give away.

[funkdr]

But it wont be a sedan :(

SEDANS :D :thumbsup:

you could always hunt down a EF si sedan. Came with a DOHC ZC. If you where looking to import....

But keep your car, its too mint and awesome to give away.

Sedan pride

Its been i nthe family simce new and is is awesoem condition anoither reason i am so attached to it

[SINISTR]

have you tried suspension like HOTBITS, H&R, EIBACH?

I know HOTBITS make coilovers - perhaps on the cheaper side of the market but they pride themselves in quality.

I know coilovers are the bomb for track work but you also have the choice of getting good shocks (perhaps getting some externally adjustable) and just a set ride height - I've got H&R coils which are a variable rate spring and they are nice and forgivable on the road but handle exceptionally well when you throw the car into a corner (im also running Koni yellows).

I also believe Koni can make CUSTOM coilovers to order if requested and since they make shocks to fit the ED rear fork control arms they can make the coilover caps and suitable shocks to suit. Id also think this operation could fit within $2500 complete and installed - but thats a guess.

As i said - maybe you could settle for just a good quality shock/coil combination and spend more money for things like camber/castor kits etc so that you get the best out of the sussy and also don't wreck your tyres.

[chingaling]

well im running Bilstein (RSR springs) at the front & KYB climb at the rear .. very smooth.. its feels better than coilovers.. and also drove with Koni reds before as well.. my suggestion is get a sussy that suits ur driving attitude.. because different sussy suits different situation , my bilstein atm are for LONG CURVES .. and if u want some like GYMKHANA style.. i think u need to get konis or GAB !! dont need to be coilovers.. ;) they work same but just got an extra function.. by the way FULCRUM do absorbers to coilovers.. they work cheaper too.. around 200 each to convert + recondition and it will be like new:angel: hope it helps

[ekslut]

If you plan on using ITR, EG6 or EF9 coilovers on a ED you will need to change the rear control arms over to ITR, EG6 or EF9 ones. The front you will also need to use a EG fork.

If you plan on running Integra or EG suspension you will need to change the front fork, as the control arms should be the same style.

$600 is too much to change these parts. I have heard people pickup used control arms for $100 and I would expect to pay less than that for the forks.

As for which coilovers will suit you have a look at the graph from the tein site below. Decide how often you will be on track vs. how often you will be on street and what you are after when you go to track. You will have to sacrifice something if you plan on doing both, you just need to decide which area to sacrifice.

My suggestion is that if you think the SS is too soft, try the flex. I have heard lots of people that have been happy with this coilover.

http://www.tein.co.jp/e/products/img/matrix.gif

[Kawasaki]

note that front forks will rub on the axle around full lock if you use eg6/itr sussy

[SINISTR]

thats right - you don't need coilovers just because you think you'll be doing track work.

I drive my gfs gen3 which has coilovers in it (ZEALS) and had them in her old Civic and took that racing and i wasnt overly impressed in the difference.

[egSi]

ever conisidered US made Ksport Kontrols mate?

[funkdr]

If you plan on using ITR, EG6 or EF9 coilovers on a ED you will need to change the rear control arms over to ITR, EG6 or EF9 ones. The front you will also need to use a EG fork.

If you plan on running Integra or EG suspension you will need to change the front fork, as the control arms should be the same style.

$600 is too much to change these parts. I have heard people pickup used control arms for $100 and I would expect to pay less than that for the forks.

As for which coilovers will suit you have a look at the graph from the tein site below. Decide how often you will be on track vs. how often you will be on street and what you are after when you go to track. You will have to sacrifice something if you plan on doing both, you just need to decide which area to sacrifice.

My suggestion is that if you think the SS is too soft, try the flex. I have heard lots of people that have been happy with this coilover.

http://www.tein.co.jp/e/products/img/matrix.gif
So are the teggy forks and control arms a straight swap are any of the other a straight swap.

[ekslut]

So are the teggy forks and control arms a straight swap are any of the other a straight swap.

They fit straight in. Control arm sizes are exactly the same. You will need EG forks though (integra forks may work, but I am not sure). They all bolt up exactly the same.

You can use EG, DC2, ED or EF suspension and they will all fit. But only suspension made for the ED you will NOT have to change the control arms & front forks. The rest you will need to change bits.

But first choose which coilover you want, and from what car, and from what country, before planning all this too much as you might not need to go through this in the end.

Also remember Integra/EG Civic front shocks will be 1" longer in length than EG/EF ones. But if you have adjustables then this should not be a problem

[funkdr]

They fit straight in. Control arm sizes are exactly the same. You will need EG forks though (integra forks may work, but I am not sure). They all bolt up exactly the same.

You can use EG, DC2, ED or EF suspension and they will all fit. But only suspension made for the ED you will NOT have to change the control arms & front forks. The rest you will need to change bits.

But first choose which coilover you want, and from what car, and from what country, before planning all this too much as you might not need to go through this in the end.

Also remember Integra/EG Civic front shocks will be 1" longer in length than EG/EF ones. But if you have adjustables then this should not be a problem




:thumbsup: Thank u very much

[Dxs]

note that front forks will rub on the axle around full lock if you use eg6/itr sussy

explain..
you are saying DC forks on an ed with DC coilovers = driveshaft rub on the fork at high lock?

[Kawasaki]

explain..
you are saying DC forks on an ed with DC coilovers = driveshaft rub on the fork at high lock?

dc/eg forks, as they are the same, will rub on axles when used with eg6/dc2r sussy. nothing much else to explain except that i have to marks on my axles and forks to prove it :)

[Dylanamus]

In regards to Tien SS, I rate it as a good setup for the street. Street/track is a compromise just like power/economy. The more focused you are on one, the more you take away from the other. The SS is a good balance. The ride isn't as hard as I wanted and the dampening and rebound wasn't either, but I am happy to sacrifice comfort for a more trackable ride (upgrading to BC Race Spec)

What I will say though, is that with a bit of tweaking, the SS can provide a very well handling and balanced ride with minimal twitch and even over/under-steer. It waspredictable even around bumpy and poorly maintained country road twisties.

I sound like I sell Tien SS for a living haha well I will be selling mine actually. For an EF8 CRX though. But yeah. I meant what I said. Just thought I'd provide some perspective for anyone chasing some opinions about them.