New 06 owner with a cpl of ??

[Merlin086]

Hi ppl,

Just picked up a new 06 Luxury and a few things have me curious.

* The sunroof won't close after the ignition is turned off, despite the manual stating that both the windows and the sunroof can be closed after the ignition is turned off for 10 minutes as long as a door has not been opened.

Anyone else find this function doesn't work?

*The sales brochure states that the euro's front seats can be "programmed" to mold to your body shape.
As there is no memory for the seat positions as I had assumed there would be, what part of the seat adjustment is programmable (i.e. a series of events controlled by a computer) or do they really mean that the seats can be "adjusted".

Bit of a "sore" point with me as after a busted hip and pelvis from writing off my CBR600, I didn't want to have to fine every time tune after my wife plays with the seat settings.

Damn it, even the TSX has seat memory.!!
Are we 2nd class citizens or something.......lol

[primetimex]

Hey there Merlin086 - the Euro never had any memory programmable seats - the manual's generic anyways so only the TSX had them. But the TSX is competing against BMW where they're sold whereas the Euro is at a much lower pricepoint here.

So unfortunately you will need to readjust the seats everytime

As you probably know already our Euro here's got a lot of features cut out vs the TSX eg. the Bluetooth/MP3 capability among other things .....

Am not so sure about the sunroof but while I had my Euro I always needed to close the sunroof before I switch off the engine.

Interestingly - the Subaru Liberty 3.0R does have memory seats and other niceties such as 14 speakers Mcintosh MP3 Audio but they cost nearly $10k more than the Lux Euro!

[jamchen]

um... did u pull the key out from the ignition?
i think u have to take out the key to enable u to wind up the windows before you open the door?!

[blueeuro]

um... did u pull the key out from the ignition?
i think u have to take out the key to enable u to wind up the windows before you open the door?!

I also have had the sunroof issue, it's a real frustration, haven't tried this "taking the key out before opening the door" I'll give it a go and report back.

[tony1234]

I also have had the sunroof issue, it's a real frustration, haven't tried this "taking the key out before opening the door" I'll give it a go and report back.
So will i!

[EuroDude]

You can buy aftermarket modules to get the auto close feature:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55147

or maybe even rig up this auto window wind up module to the sunroof:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44444

[euro77]

as far as I know, our (read: OZ delivered) euro only have the window close feature after ignition is switched off, but not the sunroof.

[Merlin086]

Key half turned off, fully turned off, taken out, nothing works....despite the manual stating that the sunroof has the same delay function as the windows.

Primetimex.....
I said the sales brochure,( for the honda accord euro) not the manual states that the seats can be programmed,and the sales brochure is not generic.

Also the 6 speed manual TSX has a list price of US$28,090
which equates to AU37,453, or about AU$3,000 LESS than we pay (@ exchange rate of 75c/US$.)

So they get a bargain in the US.............!

[jamchen]

i just checked and tried our euro and you were right, the sun roof can't be closed with power off...
but i dun think the euro ever come standard with memory seats! ...lol

The TSXs are made in US (or Canada?) so they minimised the transport cost..(where compare we got our euro from Japan). and if you think US gets a bargain, bear in mind that the direct competitor to the TSX is the BMW 318, so bimmer buyers have been robbed more than us! :P
The Acura MDX are sold in US for around 60,000 AUD.. and we paid more than 73,000 on road here...

[euro77]

TSX (or our Euro) are made in Japan. I think it has to do with the tax structure that we get more expensive car here compared to US (and this is not just honda)

[aaronng]

Primetimex.....
I said the sales brochure,( for the honda accord euro) not the manual states that the seats can be programmed,and the sales brochure is not generic.


It says that the seats can be programmed. In other words adjusted. Doesn't mean that the seats have position memory.

[Merlin086]

Sorry to have to correct you but adjusted and programmed have 2 different meanings, programmable relates to computers and control of a series of events.
If you have a dictionary look it up, and then lend it to the Honda Advertisng Dept.

[aaronng]

Sorry to have to correct you but adjusted and programmed have 2 different meanings, programmable relates to computers and control of a series of events.
If you have a dictionary look it up, and then lend it to the Honda Advertisng Dept.

LOL, programmed can also mean "to set". Just like how you program your VCR to record a show at 9pm. You are setting it to record at 9pm. Just like a TV programme/guide. It is a "set" schedule of television broadcasting.

Anyway, the 06 doesn't have memory. Otherwise you would have "1" and "2" buttons on your door like the Legend and TSX.

[EuroDude]

I agree with Merlin,"programmed" means that you can preset a seat position. Even with a VCR, programming a recording means that the schedule is set in memory.

Honda need to change the wording to say "Electrically Adjustable" instead

[Merlin086]

Arronng,
That's a pretty close description of the words programme and program, however you have it backwards.

You "programme" a VCR to perform a series of of controlled events ie. to record a future TV program.

A "program" guide is a list of a series of future events or shows.

Here is a scan from the current euro sales brochure.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8196/seatscan1mn6.jpg

All I'm saying is that if the wording was "can be adjusted to mold to your body shape" then this has a different meaning to....
"can be programmed to mold to your body shape"

...and the current wording in misleading and implies that the computer is in some way connected to the seat adjustment motors.

My problem is that I have a reasonably good understanding of the English language and the wording in the brochure extract above suggests to me that the seats can programmed in the true meaning of the word. (according to a dictionary and not my personal interpretation of the word)

I'm simply stating that the sales brochure is very misleading in regard to the "programmable" seat adjustments.

[Tobster]

Arronng,
You "programme" a VCR to perform a series of of controlled events ie. to record a future TV program.


If we're going on semantics, you actually "program" a VCR. "Programme" and "program" are interchangeable as nouns (although "program" is the Australian standard version), but you can only use "program" as a verb.

That said, Honda's use of the word is slightly misleading -- and I wonder if it's a segment of copy that was used in an overseas brochure (as they're pretty well the same, if you download one).

Technically, if there's a microchip driving the motors, then "programmed" would be a correct word to use.

I read the brochure and never interpreted it that way.

If memory seats were really important, surely you would have had the salesman demonstrate the feature to you during your test drive?

[Merlin086]

Exactly my point, Tobster.

Your interpretation of the sales brochure is different to mine, making it at least vague, and IMHO is also misleading.

And you are right, I didn't ask the salesmen to show me how to set the seat memory, or how to close the sunroof once the ignition key is turned off, or many other of the myriad of functions.
Sometimes people assume what they read in a sales brochure without verifying every function mentioned, prior to the point of sale.

It wasn't the deciding factor in purchasing the car, but I was interested in other interpretations of of the sales brochure.
Point proved.......different opinions.........

[aaronng]

I agree it is the brochure's fault. But also, if the Euro did have the memory seat feature, the salesperson would have been harping its praises non stop.

BTW, to clarify, I use program as a verb. :) As a noun however, I keep mixing them up. I should have said TV program/guide instead of programme. I chalk it up to trying to differentiate between US and UK english while growing up. And for computers, program for both noun and verb.

[Merlin086]

A lot of salesmen let the car sell itself, coz once you drive one your hooked.

I thought my V6 accord was good, but the euro is something else again.........I really can live without memory seats.......so much else to play with.....lol

[_CiVIC_]

i should have gone the luxury...

[tony1234]

Arronng,
That's a pretty close description of the words programme and program, however you have it backwards.

You "programme" a VCR to perform a series of of controlled events ie. to record a future TV program.

A "program" guide is a list of a series of future events or shows.

Here is a scan from the current euro sales brochure.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8196/seatscan1mn6.jpg

All I'm saying is that if the wording was "can be adjusted to mold to your body shape" then this has a different meaning to....
"can be programmed to mold to your body shape"

...and the current wording in misleading and implies that the computer is in some way connected to the seat adjustment motors.

My problem is that I have a reasonably good understanding of the English language and the wording in the brochure extract above suggests to me that the seats can programmed in the true meaning of the word. (according to a dictionary and not my personal interpretation of the word)

I'm simply stating that the sales brochure is very misleading in regard to the "programmable" seat adjustments.
Japanese to english translation=mistakes.i see it all the time.:(

[yfin]

Sorry to have to correct you but adjusted and programmed have 2 different meanings, programmable relates to computers and control of a series of events.
If you have a dictionary look it up, and then lend it to the Honda Advertisng Dept.

I know where you are coming from. But it is important to always check a car over carefully before buying so you know exactly what features it has and doesn't have - especially if memory seats was important for you.

[EuroDude]

Japanese to english translation=mistakes.i see it all the time.:(

I doubt the brochure was translated from Japanese. The writer who wrote the brochure would most definetely be an Aussie.

[80057]

I just ask the dealer question after question after question, i dont like reading much. then i spend a good long time testing things out, like air con, older cars that were made in japan had crap air con, cos japan isnt as hot and humid as aus, i tested to see how easy the stereo is to work play around with the telescopic steering wheel and boot and everything,

my only gripe would be those 2 yellow straps u pull to fold down your back seats, even the civic has handles to pull attached to the underbody of the top of the boot (parcel tray area not the boot lid). no car is perfect i guess

[VirIIx]

I think memory seats are great in a scenario where there is another driver who is of a different size of you and adjusts your settings..

nothing worse than having a valet or.. some mechanic adjust your settings when they move your car over a span of 5-10 metres.. it's so stupid.. and being electric seats it's frustrating as ever trying to notch it back the way it was.. it never feels the same! ever!

[Merlin086]

Official word back from Honda on the sunroof not having a time delay for closing the same as the windows.....
(as described in the manual)

Oops!

As for the "programmable seats".............lol