Which euro is more popular?

[rusty]

I am just curious, which one people buy more, the standard euro or the luxury one?

My head says that more people buy the standard euro because it's cheaper and better value (IMO).

But, I see more euro luxury on the street. I'am in Melbourne.

Does anyone have info or some sales statistics?

Thanks.

[BiLL|z0r]

Put a poll up then.

I myself have a Std cause it was lighter than a lux and didn't want 1/2 the extras anyway.

[EuroDude]

There already is a poll, cant find it though lol

edit~ found it http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45698&highlight=sports

[aaronng]

When you compare the base Euro to the $30,000-38,000 competition, it is at the top of its class. When you compare the lux Euro to the $40,000-48,000 competition, the V6 models of the competition become more attractive.

[rusty]

Thanks for the info EuroDude
I will buy euro next year, but I am still not sure which one to get, the std or lux.
Here is the reason why I think Euro standard is better value.

If we look at civic VTI-L and civic sport, the RRP price difference is $ 5500 ($24490 vs $29990 for the manual).

The extras (compared to VTI-L) that we get in civic sport are:
- leather trim
- bigger engine
- sunroof
- bigger alloy
- fog lamp
- curtain airbag

The significant difference between VTI-L and the sport is the engine. The bigger engine and other lux features are priced at $5500 by Honda


Now, if we compare euro standard vs luxury, the difference is $7000 ($33500 vs 40500). The extras in lux are:
- leather trim
- sunroof
- bigger alloy
- fog lamp
- curtain airbag
- HID lamp
- front lamp washer
- front seat heater
- auto day night mirror
- electric front seat


Do you think these extras in the luxury worth $7000? I think it should be less than $7000 as there is no significant difference between std and lux. The important components for both models are the same (eg. engine, VSA).

It's different story if the lux has different engine (eg. turbo charged or bigger engine)

Based on this info, I think the std is better value.
Some people might disagree with me. That's OK. I would like to hear other people's opinions. :D

[aaronng]

It's because people who are buying in the small car segment are willing to pay less for leather and luxuries than someone who was buying in the medium-sized luxury sedan. They can charge more for the stuff in the Euro. They can't do that for the Civic. And yes, the base Euro has better value. Even over the Civic Sport!

[Suntzu]

The Lux Euro is poor value in my opinion. But the Standard is outstanding value. All I wanted was the Leather seats for my standard but you have to fork out $7000 for this which is stupid.

Also the Standard is a bit lighter and therefore maybe a bit quicker. Cetainly mine feels quicker than the fully load Lux I test drove.

[acc3ss]

find a good used euro sport ...it has all the necessity features and good price too...

[EuroDude]

You can buy real leather seat covers for the standard euro, and they are custom made to fit the Accords seat properly.

Saw them on eBay a while ago, they were quite cheap too. (only around $300-500 I think)

Civic Sport = 1260 kg
Euro Standard = 1,375 kg
Euro Lux = 1,440 kg


65kg difference is the weight of some people, which as we know makes a difference with 4cyl engines.

The lux 6MT can do 7.8sec, the Standard can do something like 7.6 or possibly lower. Ive noticed that performance is a considerable difference when I have a passenger.


Whats the Civic Sport, about 8.9sec to 100km?

[BiLL|z0r]

I had a Lux Euro as a loan car once and could certainly feel the difference between the 2. I felt at home when I got mine back.

[ZEi20T]

is it me or does the lux have 'boatier' suspension? or am i comparing my old 03 model to the wifes 05 model with twice as many ks??

[yfin]

is it me or does the lux have 'boatier' suspension? or am i comparing my old 03 model to the wifes 05 model with twice as many ks??

Suspension was changed from 05 so it is definately different. One dealer told me it was to make it softer as some people were commenting on test drives that the ride was too harsh. It is unclear whether suspension changed in 05 for standard models.

[EuroAccord13]

I took the Standard because of two reasons lol... I didn't see the need to have the extra 4000 for all the extras and it's lighter!

[tony1234]

is it me or does the lux have 'boatier' suspension? or am i comparing my old 03 model to the wifes 05 model with twice as many ks??
I've got an 06 lux and the suspension is def softer than say an 04 std.This was the main reason i changed my shocks and springs.

[Adagio]

I have a 05 Euro lux manual and it is just the way I want it. For the extra I got the little luxuries us more mature blokes enjoy. Being a manual I am not dragging around all that extra weight of an automatic. I am continually reminded how bad city traffic must be these days with all you guys buying automatics. I think it cost me $5,000 more for the lux. If the suspension was harsher I probably would not have bought it as our roads around here are best described as undulating. So you see in the end it is just up to each individual and his situation. A major thing that put me off the standard Euro was the insipid upholstery which would have suited the waiting room of a Turkish bordello, not that I have been in one:angel: . Well, that last comment should get a few replies:)

[rusty]

Suspension was changed from 05 so it is definately different. One dealer told me it was to make it softer as some people were commenting on test drives that the ride was too harsh. It is unclear whether suspension changed in 05 for standard models.

yfin, I think only the lux get revised suspension. Here is a quote from an article

.....
The far more popular Japanese-built Accord Euro gets smaller cuts but some welcome specification improvements the entry model drops $750, starting at $33,500 and benefits from a full-size spare wheel. The flagship Euro Luxury drops $300, now from $40,500, and gains 17-inch alloy wheels, a full-size spare and a revised suspension.
.....

Here is the link to the full article
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=9032&vf=1

[rusty]

I have a 05 Euro lux manual and it is just the way I want it. For the extra I got the little luxuries us more mature blokes enjoy. Being a manual I am not dragging around all that extra weight of an automatic. I am continually reminded how bad city traffic must be these days with all you guys buying automatics. I think it cost me $5,000 more for the lux. If the suspension was harsher I probably would not have bought it as our roads around here are best described as undulating. So you see in the end it is just up to each individual and his situation. A major thing that put me off the standard Euro was the insipid upholstery which would have suited the waiting room of a Turkish bordello, not that I have been in one:angel: . Well, that last comment should get a few replies:)

Adagio, are you sure you only paid $5000 extra for the lux?
If that's the case then the lux is a good value too IMO. $7000 extra is :thumbdwn:

[industrie]

yeah i cant complain with the luxury...has the goods...leather, sunroof, 17 inch alloys, HID's and all the other little things...sweet!

[Tobster]

I bought the lux -- and personally, I still think it stacks up as excellent value. More features and power and at least $10K cheaper than an A4 or 3 series.

1. I like the leather

2. I use the sunroof all the time (others may not)

3. I like the HIDs (find another car at this price point with HIDs -- plenty with halogens, I can't think of any others with xenons at $40K or less)

4. The electric seats have far more adjustment than the standard model; you get height adjustment and front and rear tilt on the seat base -- might seem a small thing, but it means a lot to my getting comfortable -- and my wife is a small woman, so having all the extra adjustment is good)

5. I wanted 17s anyway

6. The electrochromatic rearview mirror -- sounds wanky, but once you've had one, it's just fantastic. No glare or dazzle from cars behind you and you can still see eveything completely clearly.

7. Curtain airbags. I never used to worry about airbags. When a BA Falcon hit my Euro (when it was just 4 weeks old!) the curtain airbags saved me from smacking my head big time. Now, I will always get a car with as many airbags as possible -- because sometimes things happen that are just completely beyond your control.

The Sport was released after I had bought my lux. I still would have paid the extra $3K just for the HIDs and the curtain airbags.

[rusty]

I bought the lux -- and personally, I still think it stacks up as excellent value. More features and power and at least $10K cheaper than an A4 or 3 series.

1. I like the leather

2. I use the sunroof all the time (others may not)

3. I like the HIDs (find another car at this price point with HIDs -- plenty with halogens, I can't think of any others with xenons at $40K or less)

4. The electric seats have far more adjustment than the standard model; you get height adjustment and front and rear tilt on the seat base -- might seem a small thing, but it means a lot to my getting comfortable -- and my wife is a small woman, so having all the extra adjustment is good)

5. I wanted 17s anyway

6. The electrochromatic rearview mirror -- sounds wanky, but once you've had one, it's just fantastic. No glare or dazzle from cars behind you and you can still see eveything completely clearly.

7. Curtain airbags. I never used to worry about airbags. When a BA Falcon hit my Euro (when it was just 4 weeks old!) the curtain airbags saved me from smacking my head big time. Now, I will always get a car with as many airbags as possible -- because sometimes things happen that are just completely beyond your control.

The Sport was released after I had bought my lux. I still would have paid the extra $3K just for the HIDs and the curtain airbags.

Well, I love all the extras in the lux model. But, the price difference turns me down :(
Not to mention "drifting to the right" problem that was experienced by some people in this forum.
I can afford the lux, but I just don't feel the extras worth more than $5000.
If only the brand new lux (manual) were available for $37K (or less) drive away, I have no doubt to get the lux.
BTW, did you get "drifting to the right" problem? Is it resolved already?

[Adagio]

Correct me if I'm wrong. I just had a look at the total price I paid $43,300 rego,insurance drive away. I remember the sale Mgr. saying the lux was $5,000 more so that is where that figure lodged in my brain. The other thing that swayed me to the Lux was re-sale value, you always get more for the top model out of proportion to the pro-rata. I also remember him saying I was the only manual premium white Honda Accord Euro sold here abouts, curious as there are many Euros around the Southern Highlands.

[Tobster]

BTW, did you get "drifting to the right" problem? Is it resolved already?

While it's been a big discussion topic, I don't believe this is something that can be classed as a "problem". The Euro has very direct steering and it tends to tramline somewhat; this will be made worse when you put on big wheels with very low profile tyres or run very high tyre pressures.

The way the Euro steers is just one of the characteristics of the car -- and it does take a little getting used to.

The standard model is extremely good value. I still think the lux is too when compared to other $40K sedans -- it just depends what you place greater value on. (For example, what one person values in a car and buys a Lexus IS250 is completely different to the person who buys a Commodore SS-V for the same money)

[xenfacta]

think about the value of the extras too.

leather on most cars like 2-3K
HIDs will set u back $1500 or thereabouts
sunroof extra $1500 - $2000

then add bigger wheels, airbags etc. its pretty good value.

by comparioson, an e46 325i with the same specs (325 coz of power output) is well over $70K when new.

[aaronng]

Correct me if I'm wrong. I just had a look at the total price I paid $43,300 rego,insurance drive away. I remember the sale Mgr. saying the lux was $5,000 more so that is where that figure lodged in my brain. The other thing that swayed me to the Lux was re-sale value, you always get more for the top model out of proportion to the pro-rata. I also remember him saying I was the only manual premium white Honda Accord Euro sold here abouts, curious as there are many Euros around the Southern Highlands.

The base manual is about $33990 RRP, which means you can get it for $34000-35000 drive away. So your Lux was $8300-8700 more than the base.

[aaronng]

yfin, I think only the lux get revised suspension. Here is a quote from an article

.....
The far more popular Japanese-built Accord Euro gets smaller cuts but some welcome specification improvements the entry model drops $750, starting at $33,500 and benefits from a full-size spare wheel. The flagship Euro Luxury drops $300, now from $40,500, and gains 17-inch alloy wheels, a full-size spare and a revised suspension.
.....

Here is the link to the full article
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=9032&vf=1
In 2006, both the base and lux were given softer suspension.

[EuroDude]

In 2006, both the base and lux were given softer suspension.

Are you sure the Standard got softer sussy? mine feels quite ruff over broken road

[aaronng]

Are you sure the Standard got softer sussy? mine feels quite ruff over broken road

You're welcome to have a ride in mine. :)

[VirIIx]

Now.. why would anyone want softer suspension? :(

[tony1234]

Now.. why would anyone want softer suspension? :(
It's probably to cater for the pensioners that whinged about the firm ride.FFS!!!

[aaronng]

Now.. why would anyone want softer suspension? :(

Heheheh .... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time no see!!!! Welcome back :wave:

[euro77]

I went for standard because I didn't have enough money for luxury LOL

[tanalasta]

I bought the Sports as all I really wanted was the body kit + 17" to make my Euro look slightly different from the rest and the curtain airbags for safety. The red-dials on the dash also look better.

17" also handle better than 16" wheels.

Does anyone know if they fiddled with the suspension on the Euro Sports?

[IAMVTEC]

I think the Luxury is great value. It comes with foglights as well right? thats another extra that isnt standard.

Dont like the sport, its grille doesnt suit the Euro. The whole car needs more chrome on it.

[aaronng]

I think the Luxury is great value. It comes with foglights as well right? thats another extra that isnt standard.

Dont like the sport, its grille doesnt suit the Euro. The whole car needs more chrome on it.

You can get the foglights as an option on the base. It only costs about $700. Honda original.

[euro77]

I think the Luxury is great value. It comes with foglights as well right? thats another extra that isnt standard.

Dont like the sport, its grille doesnt suit the Euro. The whole car needs more chrome on it.

I'm on the contrary, don't like all the chromes on the euro, that's why I changed my front grill with euroR ones, was planning to change the door handle and window strips to euroR ones as well, but the cost is not justifiable :(

[tony1234]

I'm on the contrary, don't like all the chromes on the euro, that's why I changed my front grill with euroR ones, was planning to change the door handle and window strips to euroR ones as well, but the cost is not justifiable :(
Agreed.Euro has too much chrome on it.i ditched the OEM grille and put on the sport(euro r)one.I've got 06 lux in blk.Looks good now.:p

[Adagio]

The base manual is about $33990 RRP, which means you can get it for $34000-35000 drive away. So your Lux was $8300-8700 more than the base.
Wow, you mean the sales guy told me an untruth? It's a pity I didn't know about OzHonda before I bought the car. I shall now try and forget about that $8,000 +:o

[kam]

i got stocko + leather - leather is pimp

xenons,heated seats, there not really worth the extra thousands imo

sunroof is nice, but then again, aerotop supra is better

[aaronng]

Wow, you mean the sales guy told me an untruth? It's a pity I didn't know about OzHonda before I bought the car. I shall now try and forget about that $8,000 +:o

The RRP is on www.honda.com.au. And all the car review sites and magazines (Wheels magazine car database section especially) have the RRP listed in their magazine.

[ZEi20T]

lol i forgot i posted in here

im thinking about changing the suspension in the wifes 05 std for my 03 lux. hers is firmer for sure. the lease company will never know. because i bet they wont notice the full-size spare missing either :P

[80057]

Lol @ Zei20T, you make me laugh man.

i went to 2 dealerships a local and a big one, both said the standard was 37k and the lux 46k driveaway (im gettin and auto to so they are abit more), yeh i didnt bargain but when i spoke to my lease company there was only a 3.5k difference even with the options im getting not much about 1.6k worth, tint, towbar, reverse sensors cargo bag, maps i think thats it.

The lease company guy told me for some reason they dont get a big lease discount on the std???? so for 3.5k extra i was more then happy pay, the extra bits i like are electric seats, kit wheels and lights. the wife likes the leather and sunroof, and if your wondering how much i paid, i paid less then the 42,990 rrp i see on the honda website by a considerable amount. i found the biggest things dealers wack onto cost (or their profit) is delivery and stat charges. i think most ppl dont question that.

[rusty]

Thanks for the info 80057.Does this mean that you only pay $3500 extra to get the lux?

In the "How much do you pay for your euro ..." thread in this forum, I found that the lowest drive away for manual std is $32500 (not sure which state). Based on your info, does it mean that you can get the lux for $36K (assuming in the same state). I don't think any dealer will let you get that.
In the same thread, I found the cheapest lux manual is just under $38K (not sure which state).

I guess we'll never know the "real price difference" btw std and lux in a certain state. It just depends on whether the dealer is willing to give you for less or not

[80057]

Rusty,

yeh the price difference i got was only 3.5k. between std and lux. but i guess it comes down to how much you actually paid for it or are willing to pay for it, im sure price changes dealer to dealer. high end places like rick damelian and trivetts will always charge more i than a average dealership without the bits and bobs those places have like cafe de rick or whatever the name of the on premise cafe rick damelian has in sydney, they charge more because of the higher service they supposingly give. i only know NSW to, so it could be different in other states.

[tron07]

The only thing i like on the lux is the sunroof and the HIDs....

I dont mind the 16" stock rims but if I were to go up to 17" I prefer lighter forge rims then those heavy alloys. I can live with the manual seat adjustments, hardly adjust them once I found the comfortable setting. Not sure about the heated seats, havent play aroud with one before....

If I can do away with the speakers and CD stacker, I would even consider that.... but they say no price cut.... Prefer my aftermarket system.

So I dont see the point of having to fork out another 7-8k for those stuffs....

[80057]

seated heats dont do anything for me, had them in my girl's convertable astra, never used them. after market sound systems are always good, its a shame you cant change it in the euro. head deck i mean

go Charmander!

[tron07]

Who says you cant add additional HU?? I am planing to do that next year... wait till my gear gets here.

[80057]

of course you can add a HU, but your cant really swap the existing one, thats what im saying. There could be a way but i think it would be expensive

[edw-R]

I just bought 2nd LUX one month ago. Still under new car warranty. Taste Good :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Not enough power but good for cruising !!

[bluedez_man]

I just bought my Euro 06 Standard Manual (and I've only had it for a week). Got it for $34,000 drive away including mats, tint (the high metal content one, not the black one), and VIP protection pack - paint, vinyl and fabric protection. All inclusive of the current sale items - 5 yr warranty, 5 yr roadside, 1 yr comprehensive insurance.....and yes in the ACT.
I looked at the luxury....and minus the pimp factor of leather seats, I found that the rest of the extras on offer were not really worth the extra $8,000 or so more.
I love the power and the ride of this car....mind you, my only comparison are a Mazda 6, Camry V6, and my Mirage.

[Suntzu]

Nice call Blue dude. Im in the ACT also but could get no where near that price at the 2 local dealers in Canberra so that why I went to Tynans.

You have done VERY well. Enjoy your ride G.

[aaronng]

I just bought my Euro 06 Standard Manual (and I've only had it for a week). Got it for $34,000 drive away including mats, tint (the high metal content one, not the black one), and VIP protection pack - paint, vinyl and fabric protection. All inclusive of the current sale items - 5 yr warranty, 5 yr roadside, 1 yr comprehensive insurance.....and yes in the ACT.
I looked at the luxury....and minus the pimp factor of leather seats, I found that the rest of the extras on offer were not really worth the extra $8,000 or so more.
I love the power and the ride of this car....mind you, my only comparison are a Mazda 6, Camry V6, and my Mirage.
Whoa, that is a bloody good price for all the goodies you got with it. :thumbsup:

[bluedez_man]

Nice call Blue dude. Im in the ACT also but could get no where near that price at the 2 local dealers in Canberra so that why I went to Tynans.


Yeah tell me about it....one of the local dealers told me to "go get it from Tynans" when I told him about the price that I they quoted me ($33,000 drive away with mats and black tint). Too bad. He missed out on a sale that day.

[Silver-Arrowz]

I would love to get a lux model but I figured the base model was sufficent and decided to save money for the new Ducati 1098 instead.

[tron07]

I just bought my Euro 06 Standard Manual (and I've only had it for a week). Got it for $34,000 drive away including mats, tint (the high metal content one, not the black one), and VIP protection pack - paint, vinyl and fabric protection. All inclusive of the current sale items - 5 yr warranty, 5 yr roadside, 1 yr comprehensive insurance.....and yes in the ACT.


Good buy... I got it about 1 month earlier for the same price but no tint and no lousy protection pack...

Well I am not complaining, cause I know the price will drop if I wait longer, but cant really do without a car... If you wait until next year, probably can get 06 for even cheaper :D

[TypeG]

I just bought my Euro 06 Standard Manual (and I've only had it for a week). Got it for $34,000 drive away including mats, tint (the high metal content one, not the black one), and VIP protection pack - paint, vinyl and fabric protection. All inclusive of the current sale items - 5 yr warranty, 5 yr roadside, 1 yr comprehensive insurance.....and yes in the ACT.
I looked at the luxury....and minus the pimp factor of leather seats, I found that the rest of the extras on offer were not really worth the extra $8,000 or so more.
I love the power and the ride of this car....mind you, my only comparison are a Mazda 6, Camry V6, and my Mirage.

That's too cheap to believe.......

[bluedez_man]

As they say in Ripley's Believe it or not.......believe it. :D

[VirIIx]

I just bought my Euro 06 Standard Manual (and I've only had it for a week). Got it for $34,000 drive away including mats, tint (the high metal content one, not the black one), and VIP protection pack - paint, vinyl and fabric protection. All inclusive of the current sale items - 5 yr warranty, 5 yr roadside, 1 yr comprehensive insurance.....and yes in the ACT.
I looked at the luxury....and minus the pimp factor of leather seats, I found that the rest of the extras on offer were not really worth the extra $8,000 or so more.
I love the power and the ride of this car....mind you, my only comparison are a Mazda 6, Camry V6, and my Mirage.

Great driveaway price! mind you... you can't really compare a Camry V6 with a Euro.. not even their new Camry is comparable :p

Tho, the comfort of heated seats, leather, sunroof, larger alloys, HID's, fog lights.. not even sure if there are extra air bags.. i'm sure it would come close to 8K?

[bluedez_man]

Great driveaway price! mind you... you can't really compare a Camry V6 with a Euro.. not even their new Camry is comparable :p


Yeah I know......I liken the drive quality of a Camry to that of a boat.....you know...a tug boat. Mind you, it was my Dad's Camry that I was making my comparison to....typical old man's car complete with Champaigne gold paint. I had a quick look at the Aurion when I was car shopping.....yup...its still very much a Camry.



Tho, the comfort of heated seats, leather, sunroof, larger alloys, HID's, fog lights.. not even sure if there are extra air bags.. i'm sure it would come close to 8K?
Yeah probably.....but it's $8k of extras that I can live without. Each to their own I guess.
Also doesn't the Luxury have curtain airbags (as the additional airbags) ?

[aaronng]

Also doesn't the Luxury have curtain airbags (as the additional airbags) ?

Yes it does.

[VirIIx]

Yeah probably.....but it's $8k of extras that I can live without. Each to their own I guess.

Definately a good saving if you don't need the extra's.. and it's lighter too ^__^

[PharCyde]

hey blue, I've been looking to buy a Euro too, can you pm me where you bought your vehicle from?

only been in Canberra 7 months not familiar with the car dealerships

cheers

[bluedez_man]

PM sent :honda: