feelin not enuf....is possible to do a conversion?

[Milk]

yes, my civic is too slow....
its a 1.3L breeze carby ....and that doesnt satisfy me at all (why i didnt get a integera vti-r when my dad offered me the cash i dunno!!!)
i bought the car actually coz i like the eg and the colour and its cute and little....after my write off of my skyline, i think ye just get something slow and steady, but unfortunately after this many months , its speed didnt satisfy me !!:( barely i should say...
so ....is it possible for me to change to a B16A or B18C engine...and wich is better? how much they cost
heard that if i can do conversion, best recommended to get it done at wreckers am i rite
after done, have to go vic road register engine again?
pls help me on this, thanks
;)

[LatinoHatchCrap]

it is possible. a lot of people on this board have done a swap including myself. searching under "swaps" "conversions" "b16a" "b18c" is prob all you have to do to get started :thumbsup:

[Milk]

good idea :P
how do i search tho?
by the way hows ur little devil going?havent seen u ages:)

[bennjamin]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/search.php

Please click on this link mate to search !!!

Here's the link for future reference!!

[LatinoHatchCrap]

LOL shes doin good thanks for asking. cant wait for summer to start working on her again...

[SiR JDM]

Milk, i feel your pain.. hehe..

I had a breeze 1.3 carby and yea.. it goes no where... im currently in the middle (hopefully towards the end) of my b16a II conversion including converting to EK Fuel lines, injectors and pump, power windows and climate control unit (as the breezes dont have p/w or air con >_<).

Also Danny has done the same conversion (himself too) from 1.3 breeze to b16aII ... so its definatly possible n for me is goin to work out to be nearly 1/2 the price of a decent Vti-r Integra =)

Good luck with whatever you decide to dO!

[2ds]

how hard would it be to drop a d16y8/d16a8 in there ?
obviously not as much of a power gain as a b16a/b18c but the engines are only 800bux or so and there are plenty of them lying around

[A'PEXi]

its definatly possible, b18 would give you that bit more ooomph :)

[mo]

Carby
well you will need a EFI conversion for one, I'm guessing you have rear drums, you will need to convert that too!!

[Milk]

yes.....i wanna convert to integra brakes~~or brembo@@"
but that would only happen after xmas~_~

Sir JDM....is there a great diff btw b16 and b18? coz i want b18 if the price is not vary much~~ mm...but all i can do now is...~~save $$@@"

[pornstar]

yes there is a big difference, the b18c shats all over the b16a.

[toE]

wat's the reason behind changing drums to discs?? :)

[tanghy]

disc offer better braking duh

[Phat_ciVic]

well bummer for me, dunno wot type they are but i just got really big drums put on myne, the rear brakes, but had the front disk brakes upgraded to larger ones.

[Nuttz]

yes there is a big difference, the b18c shats all over the b16a.

is b18c from type-R? or just Vtir?? and what the price diffrence?? I'd consider getting a b18c if it aint much difference

Sorry for Hi-jack Milk!!

[LatinoHatchCrap]

there is a big a price diference at the moment unafortunatly. 3-6K. But you wont look back ;)

[DCLXVI]

there isnt much b18 lying around.. good luck searchin

[SiR JDM]

If your talking about the b18c (Vti-R) compared to the B16a II .. on paper the 16a II (Japspec) has same or mayb 5hp less, greater better comnpression ratio (Only SLIGHTLY less than the USDM Type R), greater intake opening, greating intake closing, greater intake duration, greater overlap and a slightly greater Intake valvue lift.. alghouth it has a little less torque.

But if your talking B18cR, from a Type R, then yea... as pornstar said, it shits all over the b16a...greater in everyaspect, including price! Its really up to you and what you want your car for.

If you just wanna really fast drag car, chucka h22a or b20b.. just dont expect to be able to steer the thing :P

If you want a fast track car... the 16 or 18 are the way to go in my opinion.. with a few handling mods (suspension/sways/struts) the EG is a great car for handling and the DOHC vtec especially from the SIR and Type R, its just a great track car... the differenc between the two is pretty much the size of your wallet and how serious your are...


Thats my two cents anyway... = ) the choice is yours - choose wisely

btw - theres also the option of a b16b (Type R civic) which is obviuosly better than the b16aII, however is very rare to find and quite costly. I was quoted 9 grand for engine + labour.. which ive seen the b18cR go for less labour inclusive...

[Breeze]

"If you just wanna really fast drag car, chucka h22a or b20b.. just dont expect to be able to steer the thing "




A stock b20b alone will not a drag car make. Also it weighs about the same as its B series brethren and bolts in like a normal B series. A B20 car can be made to handle as well as any other B series powed EG.

[LatinoHatchCrap]

If your talking about the b18c (Vti-R) compared to the B16a II .. on paper the 16a II (Japspec) has same or mayb 5hp less, greater better comnpression ratio (Only SLIGHTLY less than the USDM Type R), greater intake opening, greating intake closing, greater intake duration, greater overlap and a slightly greater Intake valvue lift.. alghouth it has a little less torque.


I think I need to clarify a couple of points. On paper the SIRII b16a has 170hp whereas the SIR-G b18c has 180hp.

You're might understimating the advantage in torque that the SIR-G b18c has over the b16a. its 18tq/lbs which is substantial and very very noticible especially on a EG.

I had the choice of getting a b16a but instead i went for the sir-g b18c. guess what? I wouldnt even dream of going back and changing my decision.

My opinion is that if you plan on just doing a swap and bolt ons get the ITR b18c. however if you plan on working the block and head+tranny you might as well save the extra $$$ and get the SIR-G b18c and make it a better/more agressive setup altoghether.

[[[d a n n y]]]

If your talking about the b18c (Vti-R) compared to the B16a II .. on paper the 16a II (Japspec) has same or mayb 5hp less, greater better comnpression ratio (Only SLIGHTLY less than the USDM Type R), greater intake opening, greating intake closing, greater intake duration, greater overlap and a slightly greater Intake valvue lift.. alghouth it has a little less torque.


I think I need to clarify a couple of points. On paper the SIRII b16a has 170hp whereas the SIR-G b18c has 180hp.

You're might understimating the advantage in torque that the SIR-G b18c has over the b16a. its 18tq/lbs which is substantial and very very noticible especially on a EG.

I had the choice of getting a b16a but instead i went for the sir-g b18c. guess what? I wouldnt even dream of going back and changing my decision.

My opinion is that if you plan on just doing a swap and bolt ons get the ITR b18c. however if you plan on working the block and head+tranny you might as well save the extra $$$ and get the SIR-G b18c and make it a better/more agressive setup altoghether.

i thunk he's talking about the AUS spec mate..
but ur's is a JDM B18c :x

[LatinoHatchCrap]

even if he is the torque figures are still the same whether it is jdm or audm

[[[d a n n y]]]

even if he is the torque figures are still the same whether it is jdm or audm

hm..ok that's new..

so...the torque is the same but the power is different right?

[LatinoHatchCrap]

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even if he is the torque figures are still the same whether it is jdm or audm

hm..ok that's new..

so...the torque is the same but the power is different right?
WHY WOULD THE TORQUE DIFFER?

Both blocks are the same stroke and litreage. The ITR block however has lighter rods, higher comp. pistons and the crank is counterbalanced to handle higher revving.
However both cranks HAVE THE SAME STROKE.

The only b18 crank withdifferent stroke is the gsi crank.

I have seen dynoes of of both motors and their peak tq figures are similar but the ITR peak hp figures allways come on top.
DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY?

[Nuttz]

If your talking about the b18c (Vti-R) compared to the B16a II .. on paper the 16a II (Japspec) has same or mayb 5hp less, greater better comnpression ratio (Only SLIGHTLY less than the USDM Type R), greater intake opening, greating intake closing, greater intake duration, greater overlap and a slightly greater Intake valvue lift.. alghouth it has a little less torque.

yeah i know the b16a heads are better than the odd stylings of the b18c

in a way its only 10hp and 18lb/ft difference between the 2, but then the price difference of getting the b16a and then modding it to match the b18c would make it cost the same in the end.

[LatinoHatchCrap]

you'll neva be able to match the torque of a b18c vs a b16a in n/a form period.

18lbs/tq doesnt sound like much but on these motors/cars it makes a very noticible difference.

[sivic]

ppl underestimate torque. when you're dealing with light cars it is gold. a b16 will feel like a d16 if you're not prepared to be constantly hittin vtec. but a b18c will feel that much more powerful without even gettin to vtec because of the extra torque. even if you build up a b16a to equal the power of a b18c it is still not going to be as fast because there is no replacement for cubes when dealing with n/a, and cubes mean torque. having peak power is all well and good but it's the torque in the lower and mid range which is going to get you there faster. do your self a favour and go b18c. it will mean low 14's rather than high 14's. plus when you are on the roads you will have the extra roll-on power so you wont have to be knockin back gears to catch that lancer that has just overtaken you ;)

[2ds]

ppl underestimate torque. when you're dealing with light cars it is gold. a b16 will feel like a d16 if you're not prepared to be constantly hittin vtec. but a b18c will feel that much more powerful without even gettin to vtec because of the extra torque. even if you build up a b16a to equal the power of a b18c it is still not going to be as fast because there is no replacement for cubes when dealing with n/a, and cubes mean torque. having peak power is all well and good but it's the torque in the lower and mid range which is going to get you there faster. do your self a favour and go b18c. it will mean low 14's rather than high 14's. plus when you are on the roads you will have the extra roll-on power so you wont have to be knockin back gears to catch that lancer that has just overtaken you ;)

Okay, you are on a honda forum here, you do realise honda pretty much wrote the book on how peak power can beat displacement?!?!

Also just to note the d series has more toque below 5000rpm than the b16 AND with a close ratio gear box the b16 will pull up hills in 5th from 60

That being said I agree with you in that milk should go for the b18

-2ds