View Full Version : changing the oil filter....
gbang007
19-12-2006, 04:54 PM
i changed my engine oil today but i couldnt change the oil filter as i had the wrong wrench and therefore put the new oil in......does the oil filter have to be changed when there is no oil in the engine? or would it have to be empty? should i just wait till next time i change the oil the change the filter?
mr_mojo02
19-12-2006, 04:56 PM
if you take it off with oil in the engine ur gunna get covered in it :P
EuroAccord13
19-12-2006, 05:30 PM
OEM oil filters can last 20000km but I generally do it at every oil change, if you are doing it at 10000km which based on the age of your car, I would suggest doing it...
Also, you mentioned that you can't remove the oil filter because of a wrong wrench.. Have you tried using rubber bends wrapped around it and then using your hand? if you can't remove the oil filter by hand, the filter is too tight.
EuroDude
19-12-2006, 05:32 PM
Yeh drain most of the oil into a clean container, replace the filter, then reuse the oil back into the engine.
If you cannot get the oil filter off, you can jam a long screwdriver into it and twist it off. Those filter wrench remover things can be a biatch to use if there is little clearance around the filter.
JasonGilholme
19-12-2006, 05:34 PM
Its a good idea to filter your fluid before you put it back in the engine if your gonna reuse it.
Just incase some foreign shit flies in it while its in the pan in the garage or somethin.
DLO01
19-12-2006, 05:44 PM
if you take it off with oil in the engine ur gunna get covered in it :P
Yeh drain most of the oil into a clean container, replace the filter, then reuse the oil back into the engine.
Some one please tell me why you need to drain all/some of the oil which is in the sump before changing the oil filter??? :confused:
aaronng
19-12-2006, 05:52 PM
Leave your car off for a few hours. Come back and take off the oil filter with a plastic bag underneath. Some oil will come out, but not the whole 4L that you put it. The oil pump is not running when the car is off, so the amount of oil you lose will be what's in the filter and a bit from the filter mount piping.
You don't need to drain your oil to change the filter.
BTW, get a proper Honda filter wrench. It's pretty cheap.
DLO01
19-12-2006, 05:55 PM
Thankyou Mr Aaronng
No you don't need to drain your oil. Your oil is sitting at the bottom in your sump.
incoming
19-12-2006, 08:44 PM
hammer and screwdriver = makeshift oil filter wrench.
aaronng
19-12-2006, 08:54 PM
hammer and screwdriver = makeshift oil filter wrench.
Unless the previous guy who did the filter change was stupid enough to use a filter wrench to tighten the filter. :)
run the car for about 3-5min then take the oil filter off.
it should be easier.
but if its really that hard and you dont have a wrench then yeh just smash a screwdriver into it.:D
Mr_will
21-12-2006, 04:38 PM
using a screwdriver to get the filter off is all well and good, but you may end up like i did, when installing an oil pressure gauge.
i was tightening a brass fitting and snapped it off, inside the block, resulting in a very time consuming and annoying process of getting snapped off bits of metal out of the hole, not to mention running the risk of getting bits of metal into the oil gallery.
imo, get it off with a proper oil filter wrench, or leave it to someone who can
Rasputin
21-12-2006, 09:58 PM
Big fan of the ghetto screwdriver method. Just make sure that you don't screw up and belt it into any importants. Like your sump. I hear tell you want your sump hole free.
You can do a filter change every second oil change (i.e. change filter 10,000k's) no worries, it's actually what is recommended anyway, but i figure while I'm down there draining the oil I might as well lash out the $8 it costs me for another filter and change it with the oil every 5,000k's instead.
bennjamin
22-12-2006, 06:46 AM
Do NOT use the screwdriver method.
Its for dire straits ONLY ( stuck in the middle of now where , with a screwdriver and a oil pan).
Hot oil CAN gush out of the "hole" made by a oddly place scredriver.
The scredriver can damage the inner thread of the oil guide etc
Walk/drive to any car shop or kmart/woolies/big W and buy the right tool for the job and SAVE on oil changes because you are doing them for the rest of your cars life :)
DLO01
22-12-2006, 07:18 AM
And also to add. When installing a the new filter, use your finger an place a film of oil on the rubber seal on the new filter. Do not overtighten it. :thumbsup:
bennjamin
22-12-2006, 07:24 AM
Do not overtighten it. :thumbsup:
HAND tighten it ! Make sure its firm with your hand ( use a glove or wipe down to avoid slipping because of excess oil) but do not use any tool to tighten.
SPEEDCORE
22-12-2006, 12:51 PM
My oil wrench for the past 10 odd years has been a bit of wet/dry 600grit. :)
schew
22-12-2006, 01:55 PM
Does Honda Service tighten the oil filter by hand? I'm not sure they do.
I did an oil change myself the other day, and even with an adjustable oil filter clamp, i could not remove the oil filter. The previous service was performed at a Honda Dealership. I ended up replacing the oil without replacing the filter. Since i change the engine oil every 5000kms, i figured that the filter could last another 5000kms.
I plan to get my local mechanic to loosen the filter for me prior to performing the next oil change.
aaronng
22-12-2006, 02:00 PM
Does Honda Service tighten the oil filter by hand? I'm not sure they do.
I did an oil change myself the other day, and even with an adjustable oil filter clamp, i could not remove the oil filter. The previous service was performed at a Honda Dealership. I ended up replacing the oil without replacing the filter. Since i change the engine oil every 5000kms, i figured that the filter could last another 5000kms.
I plan to get my local mechanic to loosen the filter for me prior to performing the next oil change.
That's because Honda filters are too small for the adjustable filter clamps. You have to buy the extra-small adjustable filter clamp (costs lots more than a normal sized filter clamp) or get a honda firter wrench (a cap-like thing with a hex fitting at the end).
Mike B
24-12-2006, 03:15 AM
The Honda oil filter can be removed from the top if you use rubber gloves. At least it works for me. Just get a good grip on it, if not, use an oil filter wrench. The "stabbing" technique is just too messy but nothing that cant be cleaned up.
I change oil filter and oil every ~3000 miles (4828 kilometers). In my opinion, its important to change the oil filter as well because you want to remove and contaminents and particles from the oil system. Spending ~$8.00USD for an oil filter, you cant go wrong.
On the topic of Oil Filters, is it the same to use Repco compared to OEM. Not cos of cost, but mainly it's a pain in the ass to leave work early just to go to a Honda dealership to buy a $20 part. When I can buy it at Repco when I buy the Oil.
destrukshn
24-12-2006, 07:04 PM
why don't you just use the FEO honda oil as well then?
you can always go to a aftermarket place and ask for gen parts, some places do stock em.
aaronng
24-12-2006, 08:27 PM
On the topic of Oil Filters, is it the same to use Repco compared to OEM. Not cos of cost, but mainly it's a pain in the ass to leave work early just to go to a Honda dealership to buy a $20 part. When I can buy it at Repco when I buy the Oil.
Why don't you buy like 4 filters at a go? Then you'll be set for 2 years. Then go and pick up your favourite oil whenever you want. Filters don't have an expiry date as long as they are still sealed in the plastic wrap.
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