View Full Version : EG Civic vs n15 Pulsar SSS
Ralph Wiggum
08-06-2004, 09:00 PM
I've noticed a few SSS's around my area and they seem to go alright, what variation of Civic (Si, VTi, VTiR etc) could keep-up with one of these beasts. What to you guys think of them? Anyone had any experiences or runs with one?
Note: n15 is the '96-'00 hatch model
MTX BOY
08-06-2004, 09:36 PM
The VTiR definitely and the Si and VTi probly with the right mods. Im sure weqs VTi could 8)
civicboy
08-06-2004, 10:04 PM
vti-r fo sho
SIKCVC
08-06-2004, 10:37 PM
I'm sure I'd leave them for dead... oh wait i did...
ginganggooly
08-06-2004, 10:41 PM
i've seen an n14 with an intake and exhaust pull a 15.1. i'd like to see an si or vti do that...
SIKCVC
08-06-2004, 11:21 PM
yeah its probs got a Neo SR20de in it :P
Setanta
09-06-2004, 12:18 AM
Tough call and depending on mild mods, it's either car to tell you the truth. I'd lean towards the Nissan over everything except the VTiR - and even then I have a feeling that the VTiR would struggle.
SIKCVC
09-06-2004, 12:28 AM
I'd say the SSS would get the VTiR on launch but after VTEC enguagment it would be all over for the SSS. DUnno though never driven either of them :P My friend drives an SSS, maybe I should find out for sure :P
what the ****?
vtir would eat sss.
i thought the NA sr20de had like 104kw at engine??
Si had 94kw.
and honda drivers are better drivers... ;)
vti has 88kw i think. :?
i dunno, but i thought a vti would even woop, ****! :shock:
Setanta
09-06-2004, 07:47 AM
Typical Honda owner's response. You wonder why Honda owners get such a bad rep? :?
CAT_SPEW
09-06-2004, 09:02 AM
Would definately come down to the driver.. IMHO
Ralph Wiggum
09-06-2004, 09:32 AM
Hahaha, I was just curious to see what kind of responses would pop up and it was exactly as I expected, biased! I lied: I've driven a VTi, Si, and SSS and the SSS would absolutely smash the other two. Cant say about the VTiR as I've never driven one. You cant jump into the argument and say "yeah a modded Si would win" unless you're comparing it to a modded SSS, apples to apples. The Nissan is 2ltr, DOHC and not much heavier than an EG/EK.
I also laugh when I hear all the 1.8ltr Silvia owners bragging about how they destroyed a VL turbo (maybe whilst dreaming)...just because you dont like a car doesnt mean its not fast.
MTX BOY
09-06-2004, 09:36 AM
i dunno, but i thought a vti would even woop, f*ck!
Theres no chance a stock VTi could beat a SSS!
fusion_VTi
09-06-2004, 11:07 AM
vti has 88kw i think. :?
:
96kw bro ;)
geo41e
09-06-2004, 11:37 AM
lol...
i gotta mate who owns a SSS N15, and another mate owned a VTi-R DC2, and from what i heard from both drivers, and DC2 VTi-R was having abit of trouble pulling away from the SSS...so lm assuming the Civic Vti-R would have trouble....
CWAZI
09-06-2004, 12:19 PM
having owned a sr20de powered pulsar, its a definate win against si, vti...
but the vti-r will most likely score the win
SIKCVC
09-06-2004, 12:45 PM
you've neglected to mention the other civic varient :twisted:
But yeah a stock Si would have its arse handed to it, too much torque with the sr20de compared to the d16a/8.
[[d a n n y]]
09-06-2004, 01:40 PM
lol...
i gotta mate who owns a SSS N15, and another mate owned a VTi-R DC2, and from what i heard from both drivers, and DC2 VTi-R was having abit of trouble pulling away from the SSS...so lm assuming the Civic Vti-R would have trouble....
hm...
mayb ur friedns not such a good driver?
Jai-VTi
09-06-2004, 01:45 PM
SSS haul arse guyz, Vti and Si have no chance as sad as it is it to say.
although VTI-R and DC2R should have no problems demolishing a SSS.
theres a few up here alot of the N14 ones ive never been game to race one because i got big chromies and heavy stereo,im sure id get my arse handed to me. But the 1.6ltr ones are easy lunch!!!!
:P
**Ghost**
09-06-2004, 03:11 PM
SSS beats the EK4 off the line no problems... i've tried it plenty of times with my friend... but by END of first gear and start of 2nd I catch up... but thas revving the jesus outta the car and starting 2nd gear in Vtec, not really flat shifting, but its not gentle either way
it stays fairly even through the start of 3rd (starting in vtec again), but by end of third ur doing about 110-115 kmph the SSS kinda dies..and the ek4 wins. SSS got no top end
Torque wise the SSS has it all over the EK4 though... wihout VTEC ur dying...
presuming that,, i would IMAGINE a VTI/GLI/CXI would get eaten by the SSS... Si Civic... i dunno , they're weird little cars, u wouldnt expect THAT much from a 1.6 DOHC, but i've had to try really hard to beat some in my area... so i guess Si stands a chance as well... VTI = NO WAY
geo41e
09-06-2004, 03:17 PM
i rekon the Si's will have em on lunch..."IMO"
coz i took on a EK4 and beat him off line...pulled away from 1st and 2nd..and pretty much stayed the same on third..however this is a stock EK4, and my si has a bit of mods..nothing too flashy..anyway...
l wanna race a SSS n15...
however wouldn't the n14 have a better take off?? lighter ?
SIKCVC
09-06-2004, 03:18 PM
but by end of third ur doing about 110-115 kmph
WTF!?! mines doing more like 135.
SIKCVC
09-06-2004, 03:20 PM
the n15 is light weight (around the 1100 mark if my memory serves me correctly, although thats my Pa pulsar plus) and it has a lot more torque than the Si VtiR because its a 2lt... 2 lters usually pull a lot harder off the line.
Typical Honda owner's response. You wonder why Honda owners get such a bad rep? :?
how was my comment giving honda drivers bad rep?
MTX BOY
09-06-2004, 04:35 PM
Typical Honda owner's response. You wonder why Honda owners get such a bad rep? :?
how was my comment giving honda drivers bad rep?
Easy now Trav 8)
[[d a n n y]]
09-06-2004, 04:44 PM
EG will chop cop cop anyday...lolz
that's my car though
geo41e
09-06-2004, 05:28 PM
danm u danny!!
u n ur "sir" lols
u gotta take me for a drive one day yeah ??
fusion_VTi
09-06-2004, 05:59 PM
ive had a run with a n14, didnt beat me by much he had 2 in his car i had 2+80kg stereo and my chromies and he wasnt beatin me by as much as you guys would think. if they didnt have that 2L they wouldnt have much goin for em, you wouldnt exactly say they were the best lookin car on the road :P
LatinoHatchCrap
09-06-2004, 08:58 PM
what about an EG with a bseries swap? :D :D :D
Setanta
09-06-2004, 10:22 PM
Typical Honda owner's response. You wonder why Honda owners get such a bad rep? :?
how was my comment giving honda drivers bad rep?
The usual "teh hondah can never lose" mentality.
Ralph Wiggum
09-06-2004, 10:38 PM
Exactly right Setanta, I fail to see how a 1.6lt DOHC non-vtec can smash a 2lt DOHC non-vtec with minimal weight difference and similar mods!
Nuttz
09-06-2004, 10:50 PM
I guess on paper they dont seem much different.
pulsar with 104kw (someone qouted that earlier) and 1100kg
civic with 96kw (EG Vti) and 1000kg
that is probalby what everyone is using as a comparison but the pulsar would have the torque and in the end would win.
luzinit
09-06-2004, 10:54 PM
are the n14 models quicker than n15???
i wanna do some more testing with the pulsars... n15s seem pretty ordinary compared to EK4.
Setanta
09-06-2004, 10:58 PM
I'm not up on the SR20 specs - but from what I've senn, the N14 is quicker.
EGVTi's are 1000kg??? Ouch!!!! I thought my EF9 was heavy at 1030kilos fully optioned including factory sunroof. It's about 80 kilos heavier than its aussie equivilent the ED6.
[[d a n n y]]
09-06-2004, 11:00 PM
I'm not up on the SR20 specs - but from what I've senn, the N14 is quicker.
EGVTi's are 1000kg??? Ouch!!!! I thought my EF9 was heavy at 1030kilos fully optioned including factory sunroof. It's about 80 kilos heavier than its aussie equivilent the ED6.
well EG VTi's r fully optioned as well u know..
minus the engine bit..
Setanta
09-06-2004, 11:04 PM
But that's the bit that makes the difference - and I have a feeling the extra weight may be the difference between the B and D series motors. :)
[[d a n n y]]
09-06-2004, 11:05 PM
But that's the bit that makes the difference - and I have a feeling the extra weight may be the difference between the B and D series motors. :)
yeah well seems like it..
cuz the b serise is a heavy bastard :P
A'PEXi
09-06-2004, 11:07 PM
try and find out.... civ could b lighter?
Setanta
09-06-2004, 11:10 PM
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But that's the bit that makes the difference - and I have a feeling the extra weight may be the difference between the B and D series motors. :)
yeah well seems like it..
cuz the b serise is a heavy bastard :P
I miss the EB1/2/3 and EN1 in the first and second gen civics. Engine and gearbox removal involved 2 guys, a pice of rop and a piece of wood they are so light :D
joneblaze
10-06-2004, 12:28 AM
Well the topic states "EG" civic vs. n15 SSS. IMO, with all factors being identical (driver, stock vehicles), no EG can beat an N15 SSS (or probably a Q for that matter, as I've just learnt they also carry an SR20DE).
As far as an EK4 goes, IMO it'd beat a SSS to around 130ish km/h. The two cars should be quite even till 100kms or so.
As far as a DC2 or DC2R (why even mention this? lol), the SSS will have no chance in hell. And that's not being biased. Or maybe the drivers of respective cars that I've seen have been greatly different in skill..... :roll:
SIKCVC
10-06-2004, 12:36 AM
I'm sure the SiR wouldn't have any trouble beating an SSS and the SiR is an EG, so dont group them all in like that.
[[d a n n y]]
10-06-2004, 12:49 AM
Well the topic states "EG" civic vs. n15 SSS. IMO, with all factors being identical (driver, stock vehicles), no EG can beat an N15 SSS (or probably a Q for that matter, as I've just learnt they also carry an SR20DE).
As far as an EK4 goes, IMO it'd beat a SSS to around 130ish km/h. The two cars should be quite even till 100kms or so.
As far as a DC2 or DC2R (why even mention this? lol), the SSS will have no chance in hell. And that's not being biased. Or maybe the drivers of respective cars that I've seen have been greatly different in skill..... :roll:
eg6 lah...
joneblaze
10-06-2004, 01:27 AM
Sorry boys, was referring to AUSDM EGs. Don't see many SiR's running around the roads..... or B16A EGs for that matter......... or DO you...? ;)
:P
Setanta
10-06-2004, 01:33 AM
LOL - that's just inviting trouble jon :D
If you allowed the SSS an engine swap to meet the swap done to the EG then I have a feeling a SR20DET (logical transplant) would totally own a JDM B16A powered Aussie EG ;)
I have a feeling the JDM SSS has more power than an Aussie one - which kind of negates the JDM EG6 argument too.
Thank's for pulling us all back into line with the ideas of the original post :p
ok guys, wonder any of you seen this before, anyway, have a look at it:
http://www.pulsar.org.au/multimedia/VZRvTYPER.avi
needless to say, the power of dreams~~~ 8)
Cheers
LatinoHatchCrap
10-06-2004, 10:37 AM
i cant coment on the eg/b16a vs sss/sr20. one thing i can say though that a gutted EG with b16a/I/H/E and tuning is dayum quick car!
Typical Honda owner's response. You wonder why Honda owners get such a bad rep? :?
how was my comment giving honda drivers bad rep?
The usual "teh hondah can never lose" mentality.
ok then thats my mentlity but how is 'believing hondas are tops' is giving other honda drivers a bad reputation?, if any thing im being pig headed and not considering any other make of car.
im not any worse that any other nissan, ford, or holden driver........
stop complaining about nothing
LatinoHatchCrap
10-06-2004, 10:56 AM
I think what setanta is trying to say is that your opinion is very biased. I dont blame you though. I love my :honda: . But that doesnt stop me from liking other cars.
Honda drivers get a bad rep coz of ricers that drive like dickheads and do road racing and stupid shit like that.
LETS TAKE IT TO THE TRACK BOYS!
-Joe
setanta your exacerbating egsi's coment.
Hes just proud of what he drives. And so am I. I run against my mates's Wrx, soarer, rx7 all that time. Sure they laugh they're head off cose they cant understand how a little car with no turbo its just as quick.
I love all nice cars though.
Sumtimes I love not driving my car on the weekends and experience boost for a change.
If anything Honda drivers get a bad rep coz of ricers that drive like dickheads and do road racing and stupid shit like that.
LETS TAKE IT TO THE TRACK BOYS!
-Joe
ill run u at the track 4 sure joe ;)
LatinoHatchCrap
10-06-2004, 11:03 AM
dope! i edited coz it was bit too long. neva mind.
cum down during summer egsi. my car should be prepped by then :thumbsup:
what you gotta do?
i wanna do heaps before i feel safe to **** it up on the track.
coilovers
license :cry:
tenzo r bucket
new muffler
new cam plug
i thinks that it, you?
this is a very funny topic...
Take it to the Track and solve it there ;)
CIV73C
10-06-2004, 11:25 AM
therez no way an SI or a VTI can chop a SSS
..
heard a SSS beating a Integra R
LatinoHatchCrap
10-06-2004, 11:39 AM
i'll try to make a topic about it at some later stage. but you're on the right track. i would add tyres to the list for sure.
vti-2
10-06-2004, 11:43 AM
It's all speculation until you take it to the track and run both cars down the quarter. The quarter mile doesn't lie.
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